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Subject: Depth in Halo Universe is Unmatched
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at 29 years of age, (going on 60 as my friends joke) i am so entrenched by the halo story that my passion for it is said to be like the lust an AI has for knowledge!!
There just is not enough of it! (maybe using it to escape existence is not wise)

However in my ever increasing rampancy i can remember two games i loved for story depth.

Maybe a bit before ya'll time but
I War and
Starsiege, also Starsiege has a great online multiplayer still populated today!

True they do not come close to halo, but what gets me about a game is the physics, Artwork, Concept, music and Story.


to date i am yet to be so enthralled by Any other game beside the entire Halo series.

  • 09.02.2011 12:55 PM PDT

Video games and movies are not deep. There's just not enough information there.

Want something deep that's sci-fi? Read some of Robert Heinlein's books.

[Edited on 09.02.2011 1:01 PM PDT]

  • 09.02.2011 12:59 PM PDT
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Posted by: w0ppitola
at 29 years of age, (going on 60 as my friends joke) i am so entrenched by the halo story that my passion for it is said to be like the lust an AI has for knowledge!!
There just is not enough of it! (maybe using it to escape existence is not wise)

However in my ever increasing rampancy i can remember two games i loved for story depth.

Maybe a bit before ya'll time but
I War and
Starsiege, also Starsiege has a great online multiplayer still populated today!

True they do not come close to halo, but what gets me about a game is the physics, Artwork, Concept, music and Story.


to date i am yet to be so enthralled by Any other game beside the entire Halo series.

Can't say I blame you man. I feel the same

  • 09.02.2011 2:08 PM PDT

True, but Halo has books too you know, and it's about to have a movie. Halo is going everywhere, action figures, comic, anime and etc.


Posted by: Vaped924
Video games and movies are not deep. There's just not enough information there.

Want something deep that's sci-fi? Read some of Robert Heinlein's books.

  • 09.02.2011 2:14 PM PDT
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Posted by: Templar 682
True, but Halo has books too you know, and it's about to have a movie. Halo is going everywhere, action figures, comic, anime and etc.


Posted by: Vaped924
Video games and movies are not deep. There's just not enough information there.

Want something deep that's sci-fi? Read some of Robert Heinlein's books.

  • 09.02.2011 2:16 PM PDT
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Posted by: Syrupey Carpet
Actually, guys, it's not just Halo.

Everything that Bungie has made is connected in some way, so that can expand a lot more than 20 years.

It truly isn't just the Halo Universe, it is, well, the Bungie Universe.


no they aren't, bungie just throws in nods they aren't connected and they even said that


The Halo Universe is centered around Marathon, look at it. Also, use grammar if you want to actually try to challenge me, I know more than the average monkey in the Halo Universe


Only, Bungie has OUTRIGHT stated Marathon and Halo are not connected in any way, shape, or form canonically.

Edit: Using grammer to disprove an opponents argument. Wow.


Actually, they're using grammAr.

  • 09.02.2011 2:21 PM PDT
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Yeah dude, read all the books, lore, hell i have even enjoyed at lot of the ideas and theories on here!!! :)

happy woppit!

  • 09.02.2011 2:21 PM PDT
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Posted by: w0ppitola
Yeah dude, read all the books, lore, hell i have even enjoyed at lot of the ideas and theories on here!!! :)

happy woppit!
same

  • 09.02.2011 3:10 PM PDT

O hai

I love the halo universe. but it is rather under developed in some areas compared to other sci-fi universes.

though one of my favorate parts of the halo games is looking into back story and stuff. like the terminals in halo 3.

I can't wait to get into the video terminals in Halo: CEA

  • 09.02.2011 3:32 PM PDT
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Why does everyone say that it's under developed

  • 09.02.2011 3:38 PM PDT

The Forerunner, the Great Journey, and Heaven Theory

[Announcement Trailer] Halo: Forerunner

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I lol'd at the absurd miscommunication that occurs whenever dibbs post something. Perhaps his brain is so highly evolved that he can no longer clearly communicate with lesser life forms, even among his own species.

Posted by: kkrotz
Why does everyone say that it's under developed
Because a good story (to me) offers a viewpoint on a fundamental human aspect. It makes a statement about humanity and then expands upon it.

Deus Ex could be considered its own branch of political philosophy given the questions about human nature it explores and the answers it gives to those question.

Mass Effect, on a small level, outlines human interactions with other sentient species; how would we treat them, what would they think of us given our proclivity to violence and individualism?

Halo really hasn't done anything yet. It has certain avenues to explore but given the history its likely to prioritize "will this be a fun multiplayer experience" over storytelling. Through the Flood they can comment on the way life (in the universe as a whole) is supposed to evolve, the value of free will, how a society should be governed,etc. Through the Spartans they can explore ethics; is it right to sacrifice a few to save the many, is humanity interfacing with A.I. the next step in evolution, what are the implications of that. Through the Forerunner / Precursor they can explore the rule humanity has in the Universe; are we destined to become guardians or tyrants? What aspect(s) of our nature determine the answer to that question and can they be changed or influenced?

The potential is there, just unused.

  • 09.02.2011 11:02 PM PDT


Posted by: dibbs089

Halo really hasn't done anything yet. It has certain avenues to explore but given the history its likely to prioritize "will this be a fun multiplayer experience" over storytelling. Through the Flood they can comment on the way life (in the universe as a whole) is supposed to evolve, the value of free will, how a society should be governed,etc. Through the Spartans they can explore ethics; is it right to sacrifice a few to save the many, is humanity interfacing with A.I. the next step in evolution, what are the implications of that. Through the Forerunner / Precursor they can explore the rule humanity has in the Universe; are we destined to become guardians or tyrants? What aspect(s) of our nature determine the answer to that question and can they be changed or influenced?

The potential is there, just unused.


One can only hope that through future games, novels and other media 343 will explore and flesh out the Halo universe and make it what it should be.

  • 09.02.2011 11:36 PM PDT

Sorry guys, You need to watch this if you actually want to know what a true Sci-fi is.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SUp_EmnZyzY

  • 09.03.2011 1:40 AM PDT

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Star Wars is almost if not is equally matched with the Halo Universe.

Halo has a lot of depth that you cannot just know from playing the video games. The books is where almost the entire story can be found.

Star Wars on the other hand, has a lot of depth as well. But you actaully can find a lot of the story within just watching the movies.

  • 09.03.2011 10:02 AM PDT
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Star Wars is almost if not is equally matched with the Halo Universe.

Halo has a lot of depth that you cannot just know from playing the video games. The books is where almost the entire story can be found.

Star Wars on the other hand, has a lot of depth as well. But you actaully can find a lot of the story within just watching the movies.
star wars is a bigger universe, for now. The thing is like a good wine, it has age on its side. However, if Microsoft start milking the Halo franchise just because of the huge profit potential, they could end up ruining it for all of us, including themselves.

  • 09.10.2011 6:40 AM PDT
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Do you guys think that Halo is on equal terms to Mass Effect or Fallout?

  • 10.07.2011 1:54 PM PDT

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Posted by: dibbs089
The potential is there, just unused.

I think it is set to be abused rather than just unused, personally. Primordium's summary puts forward the notion of a "Last True Reclaimer" which instantly destroys Humanity's inheritance, and anything that was previously associated with it. Though it is true that the context of that line is not yet known, I have the suspicion that it is the Master Chief. The Last True Reclaimer would certainly be a very important person. Master Chief is a likely candidate. The collateral impact of this is that all other Humans are not true Reclaimers, not true inheritors; have no true birthright; are charlatans like the Covenant. (Despite Bungie making it so ever clear in the games that all of Humanity inherited something rather than the elite genetic group that founded the Spartan-IIs, especially with Halsey calling the Babd Catha artifact a Birthright) I also feel that Halo debauches Humanity slightly with things such as the insurmountable divisive nature that it paints Humanity with in purporting this continued Insurrection whilst the entire Human species was being indiscriminately eradicated (The Encyclopedia even says that the Insurrectionist are beginning to rise up against the UNSC after Halo 3 even after everything that has happened), and to a lesser extent this whole "Oh boo hoo we can't understand this technology at all, we're so pitifully dumb". (Even though we can understand some of it today... A travesty of Human ingenuity almost) Maybe that is the message it is trying to say, but if so then I find it a frivolous message indeed. There is no inspiration in that at all.

The thing in Halo that I used to feel was inspirational was the potential for atonement, redemption, acceptance and unity between the various races after Halo 3 for all the wrongs committed. Yet all we have in Glasslands is more and more plotting, conspiring and short-shortsightedness. The religious fanatics of the Sangheili are given the point of view yet again, never mind anyone else; something fresh. And then ONI doing something so stupid that political suicide is an understatement to say the least.

Point is I think Halo has had its time with the close of Halo 3. I really doubt 343 have the vision to do something truly inspirational. I have been giving them the benefit of the doubt for 3 years now brushing off failed novel reprints, failed encyclopedias and tawdry anime, but I do not think that they have it rather instead opting only to stick with the previous points of view that everyone is already familiar to death with. (And the retconning of what it meant to be a Reclaimer, what I feel essentially changes the core idea that once lay at the heart of Halo)

  • 10.07.2011 3:24 PM PDT

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Ok, I am a little confused. You all keep saying that Star Wars's Expanded Universe is massive but impossible to understand. Allow me to school you on why this saga is completely understandable.

Thousand of years before the Empire, there was a Sith army, fighting the Republic. This war originally looked like the Sith would win, until the Jedi countered and defeated all the Sith except one: Darth Bane. He continued the teachings of the Dark Side for thousands of years in a continuous cycle: master gets apprentice and teaches what he or she knows, then the apprentice kills the master and gets his own apprentice, and so on. In Episode 1, The Jedi find Anakin Skywalker, the Chosen One, and Senator Palpatine, the current master of the Sith, gains control of the Republic. Anakin is trained by Obi Wan Kenobi, and learns the way of the Force. Ten years later, the Clone Wars begin, and the Republic fight the CIS, or Separtists and their army of Battle Droids, who believe that the Republic is corrupt. Yet Palpatine started the war. He persuades Anakin to join the Dark Side and become his pupil, thus ending the Clone Wars. Palpatine turns the Republic into the Empire, and begins a reign of evil, with Darth Vader at his side. Ends up, Anakin had a son, Luke, who was brought up by Anakin's stepbrother, Owen. Luke dreams of becoming a pilot, but he remains on the world of Tatooine. When the Empire murders Owen and his wife, Luke has no choice but to go with Obi Wan to help Princess Leia, who has been captured by Vader. Luke rescues the princess, and helps with the attack on the Empire's super weapon: the Death Star. Luke destroys the Death Star, and Vader learns that Luke is becoming a Jedi, so he begins a mad hunt to find him. Luke later learns that Vader is his father and Leia is his sister, and that Yoda, an old master from the Republic and expert Jedi, knew of this from the start. Then, Luke learns of another Death Star, and he is captured by Vader and is brought to Emperor Palpatine, who is trying to convince Luke to join the Dark Side. But he instead convinces Vader to rejoin the Light Side and kill the Emperor. The rebellion turns to the New Republic, and all later installments in the saga tell of the New Republic's struggle to remain in control against those who remain loyal to the Empire and other threats like the Hapans.

  • 10.07.2011 4:27 PM PDT

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Do you guys think that Halo is on equal terms to Mass Effect or Fallout?
Mass effect are a bit short of Halo IMO. Haven't read any Mass effect novel but I love the story of the games. Garrus + Tali ftw!

  • 10.07.2011 6:48 PM PDT
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We should know better, because we are better.

Are you going to keep bumping this thread?

  • 10.07.2011 7:08 PM PDT

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Do you guys think that Halo is on equal terms to Mass Effect or Fallout?

Yes, but very few people have actually played all the Fallout games. Most Fallout fans praise Fallout3 for no reason and say New Vegas is crap for no reason, when in all actuality Fallout3 had some pretty plain things about it. such as "Raiders" that's all they were, thousands of them and they were just "Raiders", no tribal indications or variations of any kind. Also the BOS were only depicted as good guys and the Enclave, the guys who's funded and controlled the Vault's both before and after the great war of 2077, just popped up in the end of the game as the big bad that's been in hiding for 50 years after thee events of Navarro and the Poseidon oil rig. Really the good things about Fallout3 was it's side quest, they were true to Fallout not the main quest.Other wise nothing really interesting or special for the Fallout universe, and yet most of the fans seem to think other wise because they never played the first two.
New Vegas was actually a step foreword for the series, it helped filled in the events for the vast majority of players that have never played the first two games, however most did not like what they saw for little to no reason.
It really sucks that such a great story and game, could possible be ruined by the vast majority fans who have no idea what they're talking about.
Well that and all the lawsuits between Bethesda and Interplay right now, we might not see Fallout for a couple of years.
Hopefully Obsidian will continues to make the sires with Bethesda as the publishers, as they are the original writers and Devs of Fallout.

  • 10.07.2011 7:39 PM PDT
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Posted by: kkrotz
Do you guys think that Halo is on equal terms to Mass Effect or Fallout?

Yes, but very few people have actually played all the Fallout games. Most Fallout fans praise Fallout3 for no reason and say New Vegas is crap for no reason, when in all actuality Fallout3 had some pretty plain things about it. such as "Raiders" that's all they were, thousands of them and they were just "Raiders", no tribal indications or variations of any kind. Also the BOS were only depicted as good guys and the Enclave, the guys who's funded and controlled the Vault's both before and after the great war of 2077, just popped up in the end of the game as the big bad that's been in hiding for 50 years after thee events of Navarro and the Poseidon oil rig. Really the good things about Fallout3 was it's side quest, they were true to Fallout not the main quest.Other wise nothing really interesting or special for the Fallout universe, and yet most of the fans seem to think other wise because they never played the first two.
New Vegas was actually a step foreword for the series, it helped filled in the events for the vast majority of players that have never played the first two games, however most did not like what they saw for little to no reason.
It really sucks that such a great story and game, could possible be ruined by the vast majority fans who have no idea what they're talking about.
Well that and all the lawsuits between Bethesda and Interplay right now, we might not see Fallout for a couple of years.
Hopefully Obsidian will continues to make the sires with Bethesda as the publishers, as they are the original writers and Devs of Fallout.

I don't really like fallout at all actually, and while I'm into a games campaign it has to be fun and have a great storyline at the same time, to me fallout didn't have either, and that's probably why I can't see the depth in the story.

  • 10.07.2011 11:12 PM PDT

Mass effect,star wars,star trek,Battle star galatica,Stargate, dragon ball,Elder scrolls, fall out, marvel comics, DC comics
etc etc

  • 10.07.2011 11:30 PM PDT
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We are determined that before the sun sets on this terrible struggle our flag will be recognized throughout the world as a symbol of freedom on the one hand and of overwhelming force on the other.

Star Wars literally covers thousands of years.

  • 10.08.2011 1:02 PM PDT
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While I wouldn't say unmatched(sort of an opinion), Its certainly has depth, especially for a universe started by a FPS game. I find it far more interesting than other SCi-fi's like Star Wars, for example. Halo has a lot of room to grow and expand. I excited to see where it going.

  • 10.08.2011 1:08 PM PDT