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Subject: Depth in Halo Universe is Unmatched

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  • 07.30.2011 11:18 AM PDT

I enjoy Halo's lore.

I, however, am sick of the Master Chief and I would enjoy more games that aren't centered around him. The Human-Covenant War lasted for about twenty seven (Or was it twenty eight?) years but the games(Including Reach and ODST) only cover, like what? Four months?

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  • 07.30.2011 11:19 AM PDT

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Posted by: ALPHAslayER1911
I enjoy Halo's lore.

I, however, am sick of the Master Chief and I would enjoy more games that aren't centered around him. The Human-Covenant War lasted for about twenty seven (Or was it twenty eight?) years but the games(Including Reach and ODST) only cover, like what? Four months?


^ I highly agree with this. While I love the Master Chief as much as anyone else, I'd like to have my own personal Spartan to customize and follow like in Reach, but in more Halo games.

The Master Chief, while accomplishing some mind-boggling feats in the War, was still only a part of the UNSC forces.

I would also like to see what happens in the aftermath of the War. The Spartans proved themselves much too valuable to not resurrect the program, I'd like to have a story where my Spartan is a part of the rebuilding of the UNSC military forces, and whatever comes along with that.

IMHO, that would be just as good as another Trilogy featuring the Master Chief.

  • 07.30.2011 11:33 AM PDT

No. Halo has about 6 games with 3 more coming out along with about 8 books...

Star Wars has HUNDREDS of books with several films, 2 TV series, one of them ongoing, along with a planned Star Wars TV series to come by 2012.

Come back to me when Halo gets several more books, a Movie Saga, and it's own TV series and then we will talk.

  • 07.30.2011 12:38 PM PDT
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Posted by: mojeda101
No. Halo has about 6 games with 3 more coming out along with about 8 books...

Star Wars has HUNDREDS of books with several films, 2 TV series, one of them ongoing, along with a planned Star Wars TV series to come by 2012.

Come back to me when Halo gets several more books, a Movie Saga, and it's own TV series and then we will talk.


Star wars has been around 40 years more then Halo . When Halo is ancient , then we'll talk

  • 07.30.2011 12:51 PM PDT


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Posted by: mojeda101
No. Halo has about 6 games with 3 more coming out along with about 8 books...

Star Wars has HUNDREDS of books with several films, 2 TV series, one of them ongoing, along with a planned Star Wars TV series to come by 2012.

Come back to me when Halo gets several more books, a Movie Saga, and it's own TV series and then we will talk.


Star wars has been around 40 years more then Halo . When Halo is ancient , then we'll talk
It won't continue after Halo 6, maybe they'll make Halo 7 since by then the 10 year contract will be up with Bungie, but still, it won't even match Star Wars.

  • 07.30.2011 1:09 PM PDT

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I wouldn't say that it is unmatched, Star Wars has a far more expansive EU than Halo. But its been around three times as long also. Halo has the potential to grow as large as Star Wars given enough time, and due to Star Wars's relatively soft Sci-fi, I think Halo can be even better.

  • 07.30.2011 1:14 PM PDT

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No. Halo has about 6 games with 3 more coming out along with about 8 books...

Star Wars has HUNDREDS of books with several films, 2 TV series, one of them ongoing, along with a planned Star Wars TV series to come by 2012.

Come back to me when Halo gets several more books, a Movie Saga, and it's own TV series and then we will talk.


Star wars has been around 40 years more then Halo . When Halo is ancient , then we'll talk
It won't continue after Halo 6, maybe they'll make Halo 7 since by then the 10 year contract will be up with Bungie, but still, it won't even match Star Wars.
Bungie has nothing to do with Halo anymore, there is no 10 year contract

  • 07.30.2011 1:16 PM PDT
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No. Halo has about 6 games with 3 more coming out along with about 8 books...

Star Wars has HUNDREDS of books with several films, 2 TV series, one of them ongoing, along with a planned Star Wars TV series to come by 2012.

Come back to me when Halo gets several more books, a Movie Saga, and it's own TV series and then we will talk.


Star wars has been around 40 years more then Halo . When Halo is ancient , then we'll talk
It won't continue after Halo 6, maybe they'll make Halo 7 since by then the 10 year contract will be up with Bungie, but still, it won't even match Star Wars.


There will be up to Halo 7 . They announced Halo 4 as the beginning of a new trilogy . There will also be a few new books released at the end of this year so ... yes , I think it stands a good chance of beating Star Wars when it has lived for 50 years...

  • 07.30.2011 1:30 PM PDT

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Posted by: mojeda101
No. Halo has about 6 games with 3 more coming out along with about 8 books...

Star Wars has HUNDREDS of books with several films, 2 TV series, one of them ongoing, along with a planned Star Wars TV series to come by 2012.

Come back to me when Halo gets several more books, a Movie Saga, and it's own TV series and then we will talk.


Star wars has been around 40 years more then Halo . When Halo is ancient , then we'll talk
It won't continue after Halo 6, maybe they'll make Halo 7 since by then the 10 year contract will be up with Bungie, but still, it won't even match Star Wars.


There will be up to Halo 7 . They announced Halo 4 as the beginning of a new trilogy . There will also be a few new books released at the end of this year so ... yes , I think it stands a good chance of beating Star Wars when it has lived for 50 years...


I highly doubt that SW will stay the same for 50 years, there are many ways for it to keep the fluff coming.

Same thing for pretty much every big scifi, especially for 40k due Black library's efforts.

But anyways, I enjoy to see how Halo is constantly growing bigger and better.

  • 07.30.2011 1:42 PM PDT
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Do you think roosterteeth's red vs blue contributes to how far the series can expand ?

  • 07.30.2011 1:50 PM PDT
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my gt is Godzillla....i just didnt link it properly

star wars depth is ridiculous ...in part because its had decades to grow

  • 07.30.2011 3:40 PM PDT

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This man, this man right here put it so eloquently that I actually cancelled my own 2000+ word long post.
/slow clap for respect


:)
The person who said participating is important, not winning, obviously never won anything.

Right now, the only other game that I consider that rivals Halo's depth is Mass Effect.

  • 07.30.2011 3:48 PM PDT
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my gt is Godzillla....i just didnt link it properly


Posted by: HipiO7
Right now, the only other game that I consider that rivals Halo's depth is Mass Effect.


how could you not consider star wars to rival both of those
?

  • 07.30.2011 3:53 PM PDT

First of all Halo is a videogame franshise and will honestly never come close to Star Wars in Expanded Universe. If You ask 10 people I guarantee especially younge children or girls that they will be more familiar with Star Wars than Halo. Star Wars' expanded universe is unmatched. Quantity goes to Star Wars as with depth. Everything in Star Wars is connected somehow or another. The Universe spans a time period that is so far beyond Halo's. The confliction of the dark side within one's self is meatphorical and far beyond the true depth of Halo's "shoot to kill". Star wars is all about the ripple effect and everything has a consequence sometimes thousands of years in the future. You say Star Wars has continuity errors? You must be joking. Not only do you posses false info about it (look it up) but Halo has some of the worst continuity errors I have ever seen. In Halo Reach there are what ten different types of elites and rank distinction among them. However directly following this in Halo CE that dissapears. In Halo Reach all of the Covenant speak their native tounge yet that changes somehow so they all speak english fluently like a month later. How about the many deathsof Sgt. Johnson only one explained (poorly I might add) and despite how I could go on why bother. Halo is superficial and categorical for science fiction. Face it. Half of the things in the Haloverse are thrown together very sloppy. I am also ammused how you question others and ask for specific examples but can provide none on your own. Look at the facts and stopm being a fanboy. I love Halo games and the expanded universe for it but I can also accept the fact that star wars has far more depth and is far larger.

  • 07.30.2011 4:27 PM PDT


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Posted by: HipiO7
Right now, the only other game that I consider that rivals Halo's depth is Mass Effect.


how could you not consider star wars to rival both of those
?


I'm guessing because he said "Game" Star Wars wasn't originally a game. Just a guess.

  • 07.30.2011 4:41 PM PDT
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Posted by: HipiO7
Right now, the only other game that I consider that rivals Halo's depth is Mass Effect.
Err... why not EVERY OTHER RPG out there? I really don't think that Mass Effect has exceptional depth compared to other modern RPGs.

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  • 07.31.2011 9:52 AM PDT
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Posted by: HipiO7
Right now, the only other game that I consider that rivals Halo's depth is Mass Effect.

um WTF?


Mass effect, fallout,baldurs gate, elder scrolls, dragon age; are RPGs and they beat halo in terms of depth.

you then have starwars and startrek, i would even say stargate currently beats halo lore wise.

The you have your numerous final fantasy games,ringworld..

halo is an extremely young universe.

  • 07.31.2011 10:06 AM PDT
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That's a response to my original posts right?Then at least say it's directed at me.

First of all Halo is a videogame franshise and will honestly never come close to Star Wars in Expanded Universe.


And?

If You ask 10 people I guarantee especially younge children or girls that they will be more familiar with Star Wars than Halo.


Ofcourse because star wars has been around longer and it started as a movie franchise. Movies are available to everyone, Halo is limited to xbox and not many people in the world have an xbox.And star wars in this days caters more to kids with clone wars and lego then adults like before(excluding the EU)

Star Wars' expanded universe is unmatched. Quantity goes to Star Wars as with depth.


That's the downfall of Star Wars too. There are to many books,to many comics and games to control. New books will always contradict the older because it's nigh impossible to keep the canon intact if there are too many -blam!- books.Why else do you think other franchises limit their EU to a few book a year?

Quantity goes to star wars,no other franchise can beat it but again quality>>>>>>quantity
Quantity can be a downfall especially if those can"t keep their canon intact.




Everything in Star Wars is connected somehow or another. The Universe spans a time period that is so far beyond Halo's.


There is the confirmation of what i thought previously when i read your post. You don't know anything about Halo.

According to the wookiepedia timeline the first evolved species arrived at a few millions years before the movies.

In the case of Halo it's HUNDREDS of millions of years because Precursor structures are that old.
It even goes to 2-3 billion years if Greg Bear wasn't joking at comic con.

The funny thing is the entire Halo verse is connected to eachother, Frankie said it and we can notice it too.
Look at those

All actions in the Halo verse wouldn't have existed if it were not for the Precursors.They were the ones who seeded our galaxy with life.So that means they created all species.But Humans and Forerunners seem to have another purpose then other species,they are brother species and were created by the Precursors for an unknown purpose that will be revealed latter.

Then they screwed things up ,Forerunners wiped the Precursors out.The Timeles One has his revenge which might be the Flood.And all of this leads into wars between Humans,Flood and 4 runners and we all know it leads into the Human Covenant war.And in Halo 4 and beyond ,the purpose of us will finally be revealed like reclaiming the mantle,defeating the ancient evil ,...

You see of all of the events are fully connected?

Unlike star Wars, the Halo Humanity actually has a yet unknown purpose in the universe.

Star Wars had originally been about the tragedy of Anakin,balance of light and dark , in that regard Star Wars has actually depth.(i'm talking about quality depth now and not quantity)
The EU doesn't follows that anymore as there are siths after Anakins death.

That was George Lucas his intent, the confrontations between good and evil.

In Halo it's about the Precursor-Forerunner plan,our reclaimer status and so on.It goes far deeper here,more then Star Wars.

So both of the Franchises have their own thing and it's stupid to compare these.

The confliction of the dark side within one's self is meatphorical and far beyond the true depth of Halo's "shoot to kill".


LMAO Halo isn't just about shoot and kill but hey i'm talking to someone who didn't do his homework well.


Star wars is all about the ripple effect and everything has a consequence sometimes thousands of years in the future.


That was the case what George Lucas did but alot of EU works screwed it up why else do you think he doesn't considers the EU as his own universe.Just read his interviews about the star wars canon.


You say Star Wars has continuity errors?
You must be joking. Not only do you posses false info about it (look it up) but Halo has some of the worst continuity errors I have ever seen.



Straight from the mouth of a warsie.You don't even know your own franchise well so i will explain it to you like a little kid who needs a bit education:

Here is just a taste :
-Gizor Delso was killed by anakan in the third move
-In battlefront II it was said he was alive

-Even Piells death

This kind of things are -blam!- stupid as hell,the funny thing is they didn't corrected those mistakes yet.Hell there are other canon errors like those caused by the Clone Wars to the star wars work of Traviss.

In Halo Reach there are what ten different types of elites and rank distinction among them.


How the hell does that ruins canon?

However directly following this in Halo CE that dissapears.


You whelp i have no words for the stupidy you just spit out

In Halo Reach all of the Covenant speak their native tounge yet that changes somehow so they all speak english fluently like a month later.


Ditto

How about the many deathsof Sgt. Johnson only one explained (poorly I might add) and despite how I could go on why bother.


ROFLMAO this is getting hiliarious.Johnsons death?You realise that his escape from Halo has been explained in First Strike,he was immune to the Flood and escaped on a pelican with a few others then met the Chief in space

In that hugging elite cutscene is non canon anyway...

The Halo universe has several small retcons which were necessary,the only large error was Halo Reach but luckily it can easily be explained.It's just the original fall of reach but more expanded,blue and red missions are still intact.

Halo is superficial and categorical for science fiction. Face it. Half of the things in the Haloverse are thrown together very sloppy.


Says someone who hasn't read a single Halo piece fiction and doesn't knows a -blam!- about the games like the language and rank issue.

I am also ammused how you question others and ask for specific examples but can provide none on your own.


The funny thing is that they were the ones who claimed things not me.I asked but they didn't answered.

Look at the facts and stopm being a fanboy. I love Halo games and the expanded universe for it but I can also accept the fact that star wars has far more depth and is far larger.


Quality>>>>>>>quanity

You call me a fanboy huh?Look at your own post,so many holes in it that it resembles a moon with thousands of craters, who is here the rabid fanboy now.

Thanks for the laugh man i look forward to your next one ;)



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  • 07.31.2011 10:37 AM PDT


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Posted by: HipiO7
Right now, the only other game that I consider that rivals Halo's depth is Mass Effect.

um WTF?


Mass effect, fallout,baldurs gate, elder scrolls, dragon age; are RPGs and they beat halo in terms of depth.

you then have starwars and startrek, i would even say stargate currently beats halo lore wise.

The you have your numerous final fantasy games,ringworld..

halo is an extremely young universe.


Was going to go "Forgotten Realms/Neverwinter Nights." But then I noticed Baldur's Gate.

Could toss in Warcraft up until the WoW era.

  • 07.31.2011 11:05 AM PDT

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Posted by: MMS REBORN 360
In Halo Reach there are what ten different types of elites and rank distinction among them. However directly following this in Halo CE that dissapears.


It's still there. All of the ranks of Elites are at least mentioned or seen in Halo 2, 3, and ODST. Do some homework, you fail.

In Halo Reach all of the Covenant speak their native tounge yet that changes somehow so they all speak English fluently like a month later.


If you had ever bothered to read any of the fiction, not to mention the Canon lore that comes with the Limited and/or Legendary Editions of the games, then you would know that they retconned the inconsistencies in the Canon for when Reach was released.

In Halsey's Journal (conveniently included with Limited and Legendary Editions), the dates start back around the time of First Contact/Harvest. In there she mentions the Covenant, and how they have been apparently scouting us out and watching us for years. She says this about the Covenant;

"They know our worlds, and where we live. They have scouted out our weaknesses, and they even speak our language. Yet we know almost nothing of them."

This is how the Elites and most of the rest of the Covenant know how to speak English (only the Prophets, Sangheli, and some Grunts though, no one else's mouths/intellects are capable of it).

Apparently even the Elites did more research on Halo than you did. Have you even bothered to look into Halo Canon more than just the cut-scenes/Terminals/Data Pads strewn throughout the games?

I didn't think so.


I would strongly suggest that you find out at least a little about the Universe before you speak of things you know (obviously) nothing about.

You are not just a troll, you are a failure of a troll.

Like Carter told Halsey in the depths of the glacier under Sword Base.

Halsey: "That Data is classified Tier 1. I could have you thrown in the brig for attempting to interrupt my work."

Carter: "Maybe you'd like to join her."

Halsey: "I'm sorry?!"

Carter: "We're currently under Emergency Planetary Directive Winter Contingency. I'm certain that you're familiar with the punishment for civilian interference in a Spartan Deployment?"

Halsey: "Are you threatening me, Commander?"

Carter: "Just making a reading suggestion , Ma'am."


Like Carter, just making a reading suggestion. Try reading the Lore of Halo which then builds the Canon.

Then you'll know what you are talking about and won't look like a moron.

  • 07.31.2011 11:18 AM PDT

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Posted by: Darthbill99
I wouldn't say that it is unmatched, Star Wars has a far more expansive EU than Halo. But its been around three times as long also. Halo has the potential to grow as large as Star Wars given enough time, and due to Star Wars's relatively soft Sci-fi, I think Halo can be even better.


How many people are still even fans of halo after halo 2?
I'm certain for a fact that halo won't be nearly as sucessfull as starwars.
The generations of children are changing, people will no longer be facinated. With the sci fi universe anymore, halo needs to be something radically different.

  • 07.31.2011 11:20 AM PDT

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Posted by: HipiO7
This man, this man right here put it so eloquently that I actually cancelled my own 2000+ word long post.
/slow clap for respect


:)
The person who said participating is important, not winning, obviously never won anything.

Posted by: grey101
Posted by: HipiO7
Right now, the only other game that I consider that rivals Halo's depth is Mass Effect.

um WTF?


Mass effect, fallout,baldurs gate, elder scrolls, dragon age; are RPGs and they beat halo in terms of depth.

you then have starwars and startrek, i would even say stargate currently beats halo lore wise.

The you have your numerous final fantasy games,ringworld..

halo is an extremely young universe.


I havent played all those games, it's mostly IMO. Starwars did not start out a game, just like Startrek, I'm talking games, not movies, that were later turned into games.

But what I mean is, that out of a single game of Mass Effect, you can get more information on it's lore, than most. Of course, there are some games I have never played, so I'm not counting them in there.

  • 07.31.2011 11:48 AM PDT

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Posted by: HipiO7
Posted by: grey101
Posted by: HipiO7
Right now, the only other game that I consider that rivals Halo's depth is Mass Effect.

um WTF?


Mass effect, fallout,baldurs gate, elder scrolls, dragon age; are RPGs and they beat halo in terms of depth.

you then have starwars and startrek, i would even say stargate currently beats halo lore wise.

The you have your numerous final fantasy games,ringworld..

halo is an extremely young universe.


I havent played all those games, it's mostly IMO. Starwars did not start out a game, just like Startrek, I'm talking games, not movies, that were later turned into games.

But what I mean is, that out of a single game of Mass Effect, you can get more information on it's lore, than most. Of course, there are some games I have never played, so I'm not counting them in there.


Oh you should try the Elder Scrolls. The Lore is very deep, the gameplay and stories are captivating...

You'd get just as addicted as the rest of us who love the series have... lol

It's a superb series! Right up there with it is Halo IMHO, but I really do loves me some Elder Scrolls.

  • 07.31.2011 12:18 PM PDT

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Battlefront is 3rd person so dont be so ignorant yourself

  • 07.31.2011 12:20 PM PDT