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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

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Frankie said during E3 (which you would have had to see live to know about) That "no purple" will be in halo 4, frankie then said " you won't need to play the new trilogy to get this one" so let me break that down.


The covenant used purple as a color pattern thus any time we saw purple we thought of the covenant, there are also people (most people) that call any of said raves about of it "covenant" instead of their actual names. Thus by him saying "no covenant" he was saying that has a whole without going off an naming each race that was part of it. And we also know by the end of halo 3 that the covenant is disbanded; so the only meaning frankie could have for that is the single races of such "covenant".

He then said "you won't need to understand the last trilogy to get this one" so even if the "no purple" were to be ignored (like some people are trying to) this line still stands. If any of the covenant races were to show up then that would be confusing for a new player and they wouldn't get how that ties in to the story being told (neither would i). NOw if they were to show up as an easter egg or something that is a ok. But we have clear confirmations that the "current" story will not be carried over.



But i do have a spark for you "covenant" fans. The only races that could be in the trilogy without being a Drag are the lekgolo "hunters" and the engineers, why? The forerunners created the engineers thus it would be fine to see some, The legkolo were also around during the time of the forerunners but they saw them as just worms (which is all they were at that point). That being said those are the two "covenant" races people should be hoping are in.


Now to the UNSC
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Now Halo 3 ends december 11 2552 in which the covenant is disbanded (point 1) and the chief is floating in space declared MIA.

Now Halo Legends Origins takes place roughly 4 years later nearing cortana's 7th birthday and due to the nature of AIs being deleted around that age because of ramapancy that puts halo 4 roughly 5 years after halo 3.

so lets break this down

January 2553 -chief is still missing (evolutions iqbal's letter)

September 2556- A musical is held for the missing hero chief

sometime after November- Cortana talking in origins happens, they are still missing

2689- This is the year the encylapedia (spelling its early) states the chief is still MIA if the other marketing sources were to be ignored (which they shouldn't due to a monument being built)


2607- a monument to the chief is being built for his service to mankind, he is still MIA (and unless something un-heard of happens cortana is long "dead" by this point").


2610- The monument is completed and chief is still MIA


So all things accounted for chief is still MIA 50 years after the war in which unless cortana is put into a body or forerunner upgraded she will be "dead". the encyclopedia states that he is still MIA atleast until 2689.

Now to stop a cop-out i for see being brought up; Halsey eulogy means nothing despite halopedian saying "they got out". There are several movies and shows in which somebody dead (desparate housewives), nonexistant,etc narrates the story. So until we have confirmation that they got out we know nothing.






The events of Primoodium which tie in with halo 4

Glasslands podcast


Now it is 100 percent clear that the neither the UNSC or Covenant will be in halo 4 if not the entire trilogy.

[Edited on 07.29.2011 5:49 AM PDT]

  • 07.25.2011 3:04 PM PDT

@accordingto343

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If 343 includes either faction, I'm done with their new trilogy.

  • 07.25.2011 3:07 PM PDT

"I will show you how a true Prussian officer fights!"

"And i will show you where the iron crosses grow..."

- "Cross of Iron"

This new trilogy is going to be really interesting if they keep these promises. Convincing people that it is Halo especially for those who don't know as much about the lore as others do. 343 is going to need to make a strong ally for chief to have a good story. Also this new enemy needs to be convincing maybe not forerunners but if they can pull the precursor card i think it would do pretty well.

In summary: 343 needs to make strong story bonds in Halo 4 to even have a chance to create a great new story for the rest of the trilogy. If the UNSC and Covenant aren't in were going to need a strong enemy and ally.

[Edited on 07.25.2011 3:08 PM PDT]

  • 07.25.2011 3:08 PM PDT

"On the seventh day, god did not rest, but rather he created 64 player multiplayer!"

This will be good for the series I think, it will really make us feel alone in space...

However, I am not against the Covenant showing up at some point...or perhaps just the Elites, but UNSC definitely should not be there.

  • 07.25.2011 3:09 PM PDT
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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

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Posted by: Hydrilus
This will be good for the series I think, it will really make us feel alone in space...

However, I am not against the Covenant showing up at some point...or perhaps just the Elites, but UNSC definitely should not be there.


And the counter to that is frankie said both "no purple' and " you won't need to play the last trilogy to get this one" If elites are in then new players wouldn't understand the story with them.

  • 07.25.2011 3:11 PM PDT
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"Time was your ally human. But now it has abandoned you. The Forerunners....have returned. And this tomb... is now yours". - The Didact

@Greg

According to believe he still is MIA at 2610

Damn,unless the trilogy starts in the 27th century

  • 07.25.2011 3:11 PM PDT

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I don't think they'll be in Halo 4, but the whole trilogy? I wouldn't be surprised if by the end of Halo 6 we see everything come together: Spartans, Covenant, UNSC, new enemy, Flood, etc.

That's just me, though. It's perfectly possible that they've got a great story about the new enemy lined up and we'll never see John return home.

[Edited on 07.25.2011 3:13 PM PDT]

  • 07.25.2011 3:12 PM PDT
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Posted by: DecepticonCobra
If 343 includes either faction, I'm done with their new trilogy.

They could kill them all off so no one would know that Chief is alive. That way they tie up the loose ends.

  • 07.25.2011 3:13 PM PDT

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Posted by: KoO 101
I don't think they'll be in Halo 4, but the whole trilogy? I wouldn't be surprised if by the end of Halo 6 we see everything come together: Spartans, Covenant, UNSC, new enemy, Flood, etc.


I agree actually. At the end everything needs to come together. Halos story should end on the 6th game in the trilogy. Bring everything together for one final battle. Defeat the enemy and end with a promising hope and dead heroes. Halo has always been about desperation make the ending have hope like Reach's time lapse of re terraforming.

  • 07.25.2011 3:15 PM PDT
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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?


Posted by: Raptorx7

Posted by: KoO 101
I don't think they'll be in Halo 4, but the whole trilogy? I wouldn't be surprised if by the end of Halo 6 we see everything come together: Spartans, Covenant, UNSC, new enemy, Flood, etc.


I agree actually. At the end everything needs to come together. Halos story should end on the 6th game in the trilogy. Bring everything together for one final battle. Defeat the enemy and end with a promising hope and dead heroes. Halo has always been about desperation make the ending have hope like Reach's time lapse of re terraforming.


that already happened in halo 3...

  • 07.25.2011 3:16 PM PDT

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  • 07.25.2011 3:18 PM PDT

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Posted by: grey101

Posted by: Raptorx7

Posted by: KoO 101
I don't think they'll be in Halo 4, but the whole trilogy? I wouldn't be surprised if by the end of Halo 6 we see everything come together: Spartans, Covenant, UNSC, new enemy, Flood, etc.


I agree actually. At the end everything needs to come together. Halos story should end on the 6th game in the trilogy. Bring everything together for one final battle. Defeat the enemy and end with a promising hope and dead heroes. Halo has always been about desperation make the ending have hope like Reach's time lapse of re terraforming.


that already happened in halo 3...


I say let it happen again. Honestly if they make the Halo series end as a whole without any mention of previous enemy's and allies it will bother me personally and probably other people as well. Sure its a new area of space and there will be enemies and allies but they cant just forget everything else from previous games...

[Edited on 07.25.2011 3:22 PM PDT]

  • 07.25.2011 3:19 PM PDT

@accordingto343

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Posted by: Raptorx7

Posted by: grey101

Posted by: Raptorx7

Posted by: KoO 101
I don't think they'll be in Halo 4, but the whole trilogy? I wouldn't be surprised if by the end of Halo 6 we see everything come together: Spartans, Covenant, UNSC, new enemy, Flood, etc.


I agree actually. At the end everything needs to come together. Halos story should end on the 6th game in the trilogy. Bring everything together for one final battle. Defeat the enemy and end with a promising hope and dead heroes. Halo has always been about desperation make the ending have hope like Reach's time lapse of re terraforming.


that already happened in halo 3...


I say let it happen again. Honestly if they make the Halo series end as a whole without any mention of previous enemy's and allies i will bother me personally and probably other people as well. Sure its a new area of space and here will be enemies and allies but they cant just forget everything else from previous games...


Books...

  • 07.25.2011 3:20 PM PDT
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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?


Posted by: Raptorx7

Posted by: grey101

Posted by: Raptorx7

Posted by: KoO 101
I don't think they'll be in Halo 4, but the whole trilogy? I wouldn't be surprised if by the end of Halo 6 we see everything come together: Spartans, Covenant, UNSC, new enemy, Flood, etc.


I agree actually. At the end everything needs to come together. Halos story should end on the 6th game in the trilogy. Bring everything together for one final battle. Defeat the enemy and end with a promising hope and dead heroes. Halo has always been about desperation make the ending have hope like Reach's time lapse of re terraforming.


that already happened in halo 3...


I say let it happen again. Honestly if they make the Halo series end as a whole without any mention of previous enemy's and allies i will bother me personally and probably other people as well. Sure its a new area of space and here will be enemies and allies but they cant just forget everything else from previous games...


People don't read books therefore they have no true scope of what halo is about.

The books are finally coming to the games

  • 07.25.2011 3:21 PM PDT

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Posted by: grey101

Posted by: Hydrilus
This will be good for the series I think, it will really make us feel alone in space...

However, I am not against the Covenant showing up at some point...or perhaps just the Elites, but UNSC definitely should not be there.


And the counter to that is frankie said both "no purple' and " you won't need to play the last trilogy to get this one" If elites are in then new players wouldn't understand the story with them.


I'm not exactly holding my breath on Frankie keeping his word. If there becomes demand for something in future games such as Halo 5 and 6, I'm sure he or Microsoft will push to make it happen...whatever it takes to sell more games.

  • 07.25.2011 3:22 PM PDT

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Posted by: grey101

Posted by: Raptorx7

Posted by: grey101

Posted by: Raptorx7

Posted by: KoO 101
I don't think they'll be in Halo 4, but the whole trilogy? I wouldn't be surprised if by the end of Halo 6 we see everything come together: Spartans, Covenant, UNSC, new enemy, Flood, etc.


I agree actually. At the end everything needs to come together. Halos story should end on the 6th game in the trilogy. Bring everything together for one final battle. Defeat the enemy and end with a promising hope and dead heroes. Halo has always been about desperation make the ending have hope like Reach's time lapse of re terraforming.


that already happened in halo 3...


I say let it happen again. Honestly if they make the Halo series end as a whole without any mention of previous enemy's and allies i will bother me personally and probably other people as well. Sure its a new area of space and here will be enemies and allies but they cant just forget everything else from previous games...


People don't read books therefore they have no true scope of what halo is about.

The books are finally coming to the games


I read them and enjoyed them as much as the next person, but i stand by my point of having everything come together at the end. (If it truly is the end of the series as a whole)

  • 07.25.2011 3:23 PM PDT

@accordingto343

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Posted by: Raptorx7
I read them and enjoyed them as much as the next person, but i stand by my point of having everything come together at the end. (If it truly is the end of the series as a whole)


What point do the Elites and UNSC have in a Master Chief-Forerunner story? None. This is Chief facing HIS destiny.

  • 07.25.2011 3:25 PM PDT

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: Raptorx7
I read them and enjoyed them as much as the next person, but i stand by my point of having everything come together at the end. (If it truly is the end of the series as a whole)


What point do the Elites and UNSC have in a Master Chief-Forerunner story? None. This is Chief facing HIS destiny.


Good point i didn't think of it from his perspective solely. I suppose something that is HIS own destiny should be treated separately. I just hope they keep something in the loop to allow some sort of echo from the past so to speak.

  • 07.25.2011 3:26 PM PDT

@accordingto343

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Posted by: Raptorx7

Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: Raptorx7
I read them and enjoyed them as much as the next person, but i stand by my point of having everything come together at the end. (If it truly is the end of the series as a whole)


What point do the Elites and UNSC have in a Master Chief-Forerunner story? None. This is Chief facing HIS destiny.


Good point i didn't think of it from his perspective solely. I suppose something that is HIS own destiny should be treated separately. I just hope they keep something in the loop to allow some sort of echo from the past so to speak.


I'm sure they'll make references.

  • 07.25.2011 3:30 PM PDT

The Elites, judging by 'The Return', are so dead set on uncovering the Forerunner that I stand by my statement that we'll see them in, at least, Halo 6.

  • 07.25.2011 3:43 PM PDT

@accordingto343

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Posted by: NAStheMagiking
The Elites, judging by 'The Return', are so dead set on uncovering the Forerunner that I stand by my statement that we'll see them in, at least, Halo 6.


They won't appear in the games. They're stories are for the books, Chief gets the games.

  • 07.25.2011 3:44 PM PDT


Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: NAStheMagiking
The Elites, judging by 'The Return', are so dead set on uncovering the Forerunner that I stand by my statement that we'll see them in, at least, Halo 6.


They won't appear in the games. They're stories are for the books, Chief gets the games.
We'll see. I think they will appear; even if it's a small fleet.

  • 07.25.2011 3:51 PM PDT

@accordingto343

Your one stop shop for all of 343's fabulous errors and ridiculous notions in the Halo lore.

Posted by: NAStheMagiking

Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: NAStheMagiking
The Elites, judging by 'The Return', are so dead set on uncovering the Forerunner that I stand by my statement that we'll see them in, at least, Halo 6.


They won't appear in the games. They're stories are for the books, Chief gets the games.
We'll see. I think they will appear; even if it's a small fleet.

Why?

  • 07.25.2011 3:53 PM PDT

"I may not be perfect, but always been true."

I'd like for more Flood/Forerunner enemies to appear, perhaps a new kind of enemy, and no, I don't mean precursors, but something different.

  • 07.25.2011 3:55 PM PDT

Wasn't it confirmed the "no Covenant" quote was relating to the trailer?

Because I've still yet to see that quote.

  • 07.25.2011 3:55 PM PDT