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Posted by: DecepticonCobra
We are all going to get banned aren't we?
Posted by: Neutrino
Posted by: grey101
1. The amount of time humanity has spent on earth totaled would be only a few seconds. That is the same for the covenant in regards to the halo universe. While it was a big deal you guys are making it seem like halo would be trash without the covenant, which is a gross exaggeration.
What is this in response to? I don't know what this is trying to rebut, you points are all over the board. Can't you do what everyone else does when quoting so that the context is preserved?
Posted by: grey101
2. Um did you even look at the first post? or are you one of those people that just jump into a topic without reading the OP and a few pages?
Yes I did, and all I saw were some statements made about a timeline with reference to the Encyclopaedia. Where in the Encyclopaedia is what I am asking. What page is this 2589 coming from? If you cannot tell me this then that part of your post is moot without evidence.
Posted by: grey101
3. Read the OP. he still isn't found by 2589 ("official date") or by 2610 with the marketing date. So unless 343 is just going to completely re-write everything he still isn't found by 2589. Unless the games are going to be taking place decades apart which i don't see happening.
Again, where exactly is this date coming from?
As far as I understand the marketing materials, it does not in any way explicitly say that the Master Chief is still missing by any date. Even if it does and I have missed it, I will take this marketing material with a grain of salt, as it is marketing material. Third tier canon. It was also created four years ago during a time period where the post Halo 3 story did not exist, which means that it is very likely to be out of date now.
Finally, you are exaggerating when you say that 343 will have to "re-write everything". That Halo 3 marketing stuff was hardly integral to the story in the first place. Nothing will have to be re-written at all.
Posted by: grey101
4.um it would be watered down if the covenant were in the game since they are just a pointless addition to comfort the casual fans that no nothing of the lore.
Explain why they are pointless please.
Explain why someone who primarily follows the Covenant/UNSC story (Not necessarily the Human-Covenant war I will add) rather than taking principle interest in the Forerunner arcs is automatically a casual fan, who knows nothing of the lore.
Explain in what way the Forerunner arc is superior to the UNSC/Covenant arcs in either pre- or post-Halo 3, which you obviously seem to think.
Do not sit there and make bold claims and offer no reasoning behind them.
Posted by: grey101
How about we make a new story that can tell the story from the forerunner aspect in which majority of the people know nothing about.
Um not at all, seeing how i am pretty sure the flood are going to be in and that we are going to find out their origins. Not to mention the current games offer nothing on the forerunners other than
"they made the rings and died" which most people still don't know along with the fact they aren't dead.
Unfortunately though, they will need to understand the previous trilogy in order to understand why the Forerunners and Flood are of any relevance, and why Cortana is acting weird etc. (If she is indeed going through Rampancy, or will they ignore that because "You won't have to understand the last trilogy in order to play this one"?)
So because an understanding of the last trilogy is actually required, and everyone in this forum is quote mining Frankie's statements, the position that the Covenant should not be in it is nothing but a double standard.
And as for your final statement, the previous trilogy stated that the Forerunners died, and the Encyclopaedia stated that they survived in some manner. Unless you had read the Encyclopaedia, you would obviously take up the belief that they had all died. So in a sense, you actually have to have been exposed to more than the previous trilogy in order to understand this one, the bloody encyclopaedia to be specific!
Posted by: grey101
5. Well i can tell you that Halo isn't about the covenant, though they are involved they aren't the meaning or pillars of the franchise.
More like flood,forerunners,precursors, humanity. That is what halo is about.
Yes, it isn't solely about the Covenant, but they are nevertheless a part of it. A very big part of it. Much bigger and more relevant the the shady Precursors, with whom you could not even fill a single side of A4 with information on. (Or even half)
Just because the franchise is not centered around the Covenant/UNSC (Which is debatable actually, but I will grant you it) does not mean that they are not important.
It certainly does not make fans of those parts ignorant of the lore in any way either. Do not be so pretentious to say that your view of Halo is automatically superior to theirs.
1.no it isn't you just don't understand the analogy. the covenant war is nothing in the eons timespan that the haloverse takes place in.
2. So if i can't tell you the page number then the context of that page does not exist? nice logic.
3.If you honestly can't type in the dates on halopedia or google and find out where they are from then you must have an extremely hard time finding out were quotes come from.
Majority of the dates are coming from halo 3 marketing material and 1 date from the encyclopedia. Whatever bungies take on canon was has been obsolete for nearly a year now, 343I is still reinforcing it therefore it is still valid.
and the post halo 3 story did exist, bungie didn't have a post story after halo 1 but quickly made it afterwards.
4.It is the fact that majority of the people have that mindset because they do not know anything beyond the games. Everybody here has aspects of the UNSC/Covenant that they would love to be elaborated, but not in the sense "if the next game doesn't have this or this than it isn't halo".
Not the it is superior but it has more weight on story telling than the war stage. do not make implications without proper context.
5. All of that can be easily explained in the game. Most people only knew of cortana's situation from legends which she gave a one-liner on it.
Yes you will have to be exposed to other material to fully understand everything that is not new to any game or life in its self. And we knew from IRIS and the terminals that the forerunners we still alive.
6. the covenant's 28 year war with humanity is not a big part of the story. you have the "ancient era" which i won't even summarize, then you have what the UNSC/covenant we going through prior to the war.
Yes that 28 year timespan is good, but i don't think anybody wants another 3-6 games based on it. there is alot of material that can be used and it would be unimaginative and artistic to keep the games in the same frame.
There isn't anything to debate. yes the games are based on the war but that doesn't mean any game not based on that era will "not make it a halo game". The games are pretty much the window for the franchise, once you look past it you will see a whole story of characters,storys,etc.
i will say that anybody that says "halo is nothing without the UNSC/covenant" does have a bacteria's view of the universe.