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Posted by: Neutrino
Posted by: DecepticonCobra
And even still, them finding the Legendary Planet is some that would seriously seem rather flawed.
Why do they have to be the ones doing the finding? Is Chief, for some reason, forbidden to make his way back or something? Why would that be impossible, or unreasonable?
You are also giving off strong vibes of bias here in ignoring viable scenarios, whether you know that you are doing it or not.
Posted by: raganok99
Do I have to explain that It wouldn't make sense for "Covenant" and UNSC being appearing at Halo 4? I can start with explaining several reasons if you want to.
-Covenant is completely destroyed. DESTROYED. (Kids, let me google for you so you can understand what "destroyed" means. After the schism occurred in sometime after Halo 2 to 3, Covenant was already gone. Also, Elites and Brutes are busy with their own mini wars, also ONI are keeping Elites disorganized or weakened by encouraging them to fight more against brutes.(Halo: Glasslands, podcast information) Also The Return in Halo: Evolutions confirmed it.
And, UNSC is unlikely to be there because after the war, they suffered enormous navy losses, military forces losses and civilian losses. It'll take while for them to recover. Also whoever brought up that all of human colonies are destroyed is obvious idiot. There is about half of dozen or more colonies left after the war...
If - before Cryptum had came out - I had said that Humanity maybe had an interstellar empire that was just as advanced as the Forerunners, which was also destroyed by the Forerunners (Who were also very xenophobic themselves), I would probably have been intellectually lynched. The same principle applies here. You have got no idea what the authors have planned and if it is as crazy and unanticipated as Cryptum's plot.
Considering that half of the solutions to your list of problems that have been mentioned in this thread are not even as farfetched as Cryptum's plot, I would think that you are not really putting any thought into how the story could truly connect. You appear to be attempting to reverse-engineer a situation so as to make these factions absolutely impossible to return. So please, give it a rest with the verbatim quoting of the post Halo 3 universe.
Posted by: raganok99
Halo: Encyclopedia, page number: 106 as Lt. Shah said that no knows if there is Master Chief's grave, it implies that nobody knew where MC is even in 2573. I'll leave to others to find other new pages number.
Finally, a source emerges. I get my hopes up, until I see that it is just marketing material. Again. Specifically the same old Halo 3 Marketing material that is non-integral to the story line and 4 years old, mandated to third party developers during a time when the post Halo 3 story was still in flux.
Try again.
Posted by: raganok99
Grey, never mind Neutrino. He's new lad to the Halo universe. Look at his profile, he made his account here in four months ago...
I don't think he even have played Halo games so far.
Ad Hominem? We sure are getting desperate aren't we. What possible logical connection exists between the age of a persons account on Bungie.net and the validity of an argument that concerns whether or not the Covenant races/UNSC will be in the next trilogy? Explain that please.
And as for your claim about me having not played the original games, how stupid. How bloody stupid. The implication being that I have read the extended media, but have not played the games? What? I tell you what, even if I had not played the games, why don't you leave that problem to me and you just deal with the arguments that I put forward, okay? After all, it should not be too difficult to do so if your unsubstantiated claim is true. But no, your only approach to rebutting is to come up with a half assed, immature argument like that.
You are obviously incapable of proper debate. I will not read anymore of your posts from this point on.
This footnote to my post here is not directed at anyone in particular:
Let's look at this Halo 3 Marketing Material shall we?
It comes from the advertisement campaign called Believe that was used to build hype for Halo 3. Marketing material.
Strike One.
It was developed by a third party developer called New Deal Studios, not Bungie or anyone else affiliated with the story.
Strike Two.
According to the trivia section in that article, New Deal Studios were not even aware of the plot of Halo 3, NEVERMIND the rest of the expanded universe or the post Halo 3 universe!
Strike Three.
It also says that there are instances in Believe that are in contradiction to the events that transpired in the game, Halo 3. (Probably because the guys who made it didn't even know its plot. Still, a very good advert campaign though but that is besides the point) We cannot even trust this thing to tell us what happens in the very game that it was advertising, so why the hell trust it for something else?
Strike Four.
And this is your best evidence?
"B-B-But the Encyclopaedia says so!"
The Encyclopaedia also contains elements from ilovebees, but yet I don't see anyone purporting that Nicole-458 is canon. If you want to take all of this Believe stuff as canon then there is no principle that says that you must not take ilovebees in its entirety as well. I certainly hope that you do not think that there were an extra few hundred Spartan-IIs running around given that Nicole's tag is up in the 400's. As such all I see is a double standard; bias.
So I do not see Believe as any different given that it contradicts Halo 3 in areas. I am also loathe to trust a book that does that with ilovebees, and which also cannot differentiate between an Assault Carrier model and the Truth and Reconciliation (A CCS-Cruiser), or the multiple other obvious errors that this Encyclopaedia contains.
All right, buddy.
Do you realize that being childish over encyclopedia isn't getting you to anywhere? And in fact, it is canon, whether you like it or not. Also that errors was from first edition... *facepalm* and I own second edition, I can tell is that it is heavily edited and it even removed that quote from "ilovebees" thing. Also second edition is new as well, it has updated info from Halo wars, Halo 3 ODST, all of those novels except Cryptum. So I'm pretty it is reliable source and even it is canon.
Obviously incapable to make proper debate? You jest. That's completely disrespectful to me and perhaps I wouldn't read your post anymore since you're still blind to that Covies and UNSC will "magically" appear at Halo 4 despite loads of evidence was shown that IT WON'T APPEAR AT HALO 4!
Um, I have read Cryptum. I know what it happens, etc. So don't make any assumptions that I never read all novels. Sadly for you, I have.
As with your least experience with Halo, I would say that you don't understand much about Halo. It's funny that newcomers to Halo would want to see more covies and unsc in action in future games despite that there is six halo games for that: (Halo CE, Halo 2, Halo 3, Halo 3 ODST, Halo Wars and Halo Reach) in a span of ten years of fighting Covies. Now, new Halo trilogy is announced by 343i and Frankie says no purple in Halo 4, it means that no covies, also no UNSC there as well. It's time for us to fight against Precursors/Flood or maybe some rogue Forerunners. Halo 4 is focused on Master Chief's destiny, not humanity's destiny or human covenant war.
[Edited on 08.09.2011 9:39 PM PDT]