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Subject: The UNSC nor covenant will be in new trilogy

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Forerunner discovers ancient Human Space Faring empire, forces it to submit to Forerunner's Mantle legacy by force... Yeah... if the UNSC isn't directly involved, humanity in one form might still have a presence in Halo 4 considering the Forerunner assigning restored Human populations from the first actual firing of the Halo Array as Forerunner genetically under the callsign of Reclaimer...

Then again in Halo, the most iconic weapons is UNSC gear (A Halo game without the human sniper rifle is just wrong in feeling), which the teaser trailer clearly shows Chief using in the go and the Artifact at the end clearly shows it can envelope a standard UNSC Frigate so to speculate that UNSC is not having any physical presence at all in Halo 4 is rather funny considering the ships that were destroyed in Earth atmosphere and sucked into the Portal before the Battle For the Ark and the collapse of the Portal could lead to much more debris than the In Amber Clad's remains drifting towards this Artifact.

[Edited on 08.17.2011 9:45 PM PDT]

  • 08.17.2011 9:45 PM PDT

I don't know anything other information other than what was provided in game because i never read any of the books (yet) but if we already know that MC will be MIA for that long, I could see him going through a worm hole or something to go back in time or somehow sending cortana back to the unsc or something.

Again I have hardly any clue what I'm talking about and honestly I didn't read the comments past the first page because there are a lot of pages. I am also posting in this thread a few weeks after it was made obviously. So if you know what I said sounds stupid then take it with a grain of salt and try not to flame too hard

  • 08.18.2011 11:01 PM PDT
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All right, I own a second edition of Encyclopedia. If you guys say Believe campaign is non canon but there is a problem. We knew that ILB (I Love Bees) is removed in second edition due to being non canon however, they kept the believe in the second edition. So, believe campaign being non canon which it should be been removed in second edition but nay. Guess what? That second edition of Encyclopedia was overseen by the 343 industries. So the Believe campaign is certainly canon.

Master Chief is indeed missing by 2610s. So it disproves that UNSC/Covenant being at Halo 4. Frankie said that Halo 3 and Halo 4 isn't quite far in between. It is likely it's between of five to seven years at most, possibly more due to Origins. So with that short timeline and believe stating MC still being MIA by 2610 which it puts that no UNSC/Covenant at Halo 4 is true.

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  • 08.23.2011 12:51 AM PDT

I just listened to the 343i sparkcast where Karren Traviss and her wonderfully enthusiastic voice (or not) is speaking about Glasslands.

Apparently 343i have wanted her to 'introduce some characters' and 'not go beyond a certain day.'

If the new trilogy didn't feature any of the Covenant or UNSC, why would 343i need some new characters introducing and why not go beyond a certain day; surely if the Chief was off on his own doing whatever, it wouldn't matter at all what happened back home.

I think it's pretty obvious that this 'certain day' will be the day the Chief arrives back in UNSC/Covenant space, and that these 'new characters' will feature in the trilogy. Otherwise why would 343i want them introducing?

  • 08.23.2011 2:08 AM PDT
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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

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You do understand that there needs to be a post war continuation correct? Which is why one of the main characters might be the new head of ONI.

No, the "certain day" is probably just some date 343 feels is important, you are really drawing straws with that.


343 clearly said that this book bridges the time gap between 3-4, but going any further than that is just air.

  • 08.23.2011 2:11 AM PDT

I don't see why you're so convinced neither the UNSC nor Covenant will be in this trilogy.

There has to be something the Chief is fighting for. If he just went around blowing up aliens, it wouldn't be as tense.

From the way it was said on the sparkcast it sounded as if they wanted these characters introducing for their new trilogy. Honestly, do you really expect them to build up this massive post-war universe and then have Master Chief's story running parallel?

It'd be like two universes, each having nothing to do with each other. That'd be absolutely awful storytelling.

A little bit silly. I suppose we'll see later on (or maybe at Halofest,) but I'm still convinced you're wrong on this one.

  • 08.23.2011 2:15 AM PDT

The world is full of mysteries, and shares too few of the answers required. An example of which, is how did I end up in the Brute Zone?

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Posted by: Wolverfrog
I don't see why you're so convinced neither the UNSC nor Covenant will be in this trilogy.

There has to be something the Chief is fighting for. If he just went around blowing up aliens, it wouldn't be as tense.

From the way it was said on the sparkcast it sounded as if they wanted these characters introducing for their new trilogy. Honestly, do you really expect them to build up this massive post-war universe and then have Master Chief's story running parallel?

It'd be like two universes, each having nothing to do with each other. That'd be absolutely awful storytelling.

A little bit silly. I suppose we'll see later on (or maybe at Halofest,) but I'm still convinced you're wrong on this one.


Not quite. How do Covenant/UNSC can know about its location? Cortana stated that it will take many years for UNSC or Covenant to find the distress signal beacon. Lets put it way, as this planet is likely to be in outer rim of galaxy or possible outside of the galaxy. UNSC nor Covenant are capable of intergalactic traveling.

And, Master Chief will fight against Flood, Precursors and possible of rogue/corrupted Forerunners. So it isn't difficult to grasp. Remember about Mendicant Bias sent John to Forerunners as his atonement.

And Halo: Glasslands is explaining about things what happened during post war event. It will offer some hints about Halo 4 as Halo CEA terminals as well. New novels usually have new characters. Did you read Evolutions or Cryptum? Authors had to make new characters to be included in the story.

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  • 08.23.2011 2:22 AM PDT
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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?

Um he has been running around blowing up aliens for the last time years. and the Ancient evil is said to be a threat to the universe, you aren't stupid so i don't need to explain that.

Because the books is a saga expanded the post war lore the main thing i can tell you the book probably has to do with halo 4 is Blue team, that is the thing they have been talking about the most. For all we know if chief truly is forever MIA post war they could start finding his tracks and have a report decades later.

The books don't have to directly correlate with the games.


contact Harvest doesn't have a game on it same for cole protcol,cryptum,GoO,First strike,etc the only book that does is "the Flood" and wow everybody hate that book -_-


Not to mention majority of this people don't read the books or don't read them correctly, so it would be a waste for the book to cover the game directly in that sense.


I am up for that since i haven't been publicly wrong before when i actually say something "Looks at Agustus Halo 4 thread"

  • 08.23.2011 2:25 AM PDT


Posted by: raganok99
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Cheers, coming from a bloke who can't spell or formulate sentences properly that means a lot.

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Anyway, grey, I'm just arguing for the sake of arguing really. I think the new trilogy should have the UNSC and Covenant in myself; they're an intrinsic part of the Halo universe. I don't want to just read about humans visiting Sangheilios or humanity and the Covenant collaborating; I want to see it.

An entire trilogy with no Covenant and UNSC and only the Master Chief would be a very unappealing prospect indeed to me. 343i seem to repeatedly be saying the 'Halo is about humans,' they said it a bunch of times in the podcast and they seem to be expanding the lore of human-Covenant space post-Halo 3 in time for Halo 4, so I still believe it will happen.

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Posted by: raganok99
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Cheers, coming from a bloke who can't spell or formulate sentences properly that means a lot.


I was joking about last part. You don't have to be rude, you know.

And I checked last time, my spelling and sentences are fine. So what are you getting at, hmmm?

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We are all going to get banned aren't we?


Posted by: Wolverfrog

Posted by: raganok99
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Cheers, coming from a bloke who can't spell or formulate sentences properly that means a lot.

*

Anyway, grey, I'm just arguing for the sake of arguing really. I think the new trilogy should have the UNSC and Covenant in myself; they're an intrinsic part of the Halo universe. I don't want to just read about humans visiting Sangheilios or humanity and the Covenant collaborating; I want to see it.

An entire trilogy with no Covenant and UNSC and only the Master Chief would be a very unappealing prospect indeed to me. 343i seem to repeatedly be saying the 'Halo is about humans,' they said it a bunch of times in the podcast and they seem to be expanding the lore of human-Covenant space post-Halo 3 in time for Halo 4, so I still believe it will happen.


So is every single story are to have them just to have them? and i haven't been getting that vibe.


the issue is the covenant no longer exists,period. So then out of all the races people pick the elites and say they have "the best chance being in". Which is not the case, jackals have to be the race in the best shape post war since they have a stable economy and ships. Yet nobody said they should be in, instead somehow elites are going in despite there society being a -blam!- storm.


If 343 just doesn't force people to swallow the pill and accept the fact the story is moving forward then halo is going to get stale quick.

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Posted by: Wolverfrog

Posted by: raganok99
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Cheers, coming from a bloke who can't spell or formulate sentences properly that means a lot.

*

Anyway, grey, I'm just arguing for the sake of arguing really. I think the new trilogy should have the UNSC and Covenant in myself; they're an intrinsic part of the Halo universe. I don't want to just read about humans visiting Sangheilios or humanity and the Covenant collaborating; I want to see it.

An entire trilogy with no Covenant and UNSC and only the Master Chief would be a very unappealing prospect indeed to me. 343i seem to repeatedly be saying the 'Halo is about humans,' they said it a bunch of times in the podcast and they seem to be expanding the lore of human-Covenant space post-Halo 3 in time for Halo 4, so I still believe it will happen.


How cute.

First thing, the Covenant doesn't exist anymore because it was dissipated during civil war and after the Human Covenant War. Majority of species went home. Elites and Brutes are fighting against each other. Prophets are nowhere to be found. At Sanghelios, their culture and lifestyle are in scrambles.

Second thing, UNSC are severely weakened and it will take while for them to fully recover from the war. They will be busy with maintaining on alliance with Sangheilis and repairing the damages caused by the war.

I'm siding with Grey on no UNSC/Covenant at Halo 4.

  • 08.23.2011 3:04 AM PDT

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If 343 includes either faction, I am done with their new trilogy?!!...

  • 08.23.2011 7:19 AM PDT

i don't care if the UNSC are in it or the covenent just as long as there are flood like one the ones in Halo Lengends Origins.

one way the plot could go is the gient portal thingy hes floating towards in the trailer is a time machine (its not impossible) and masterchief ends up mixed up with the forerunner/flood war.

or (more likely) chief gets teleported to a different galaxy like the one the flood originally came from were we learn about the flood and were there from. all we know about flood is that they miraculosly appered 10000 years ago and wiped the floor with the forerunners.

  • 09.10.2011 4:27 AM PDT

*reminisces when the Bungie/Halo community wasn't made up of CoD kids*
*sighs*
*activates time-machine and sets the clock back to Nov. 9, 2004*
glory days here I come..
*vanishes*

Judging from the new concept art, I think they will be in Halo 4, at least.

  • 09.10.2011 4:33 AM PDT

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Still using a pump-action shotgun over 500 years in the future I see.

omg not realistic stop game production plz

OP, clearly they didn't mean you wouldn't have to know anything about Halo in order to understand Halo 4, otherwise they'd have to explain John, the SPARTAN-II project, the UNSC, how John has got to the point he's at, etc...

....And it was NOT a 343i Employee who said No Purple, it was some Kotaku guy.

  • 09.10.2011 4:43 AM PDT

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Ok, Im probably not as big of a fan as some of you people in here, however I do know a bit about the Universe. I just wanted to ask the op two things.

First, how would you explain the UNSC Infinity? Im not using this as proof that the UNSC will be in Halo 4, but I am curious as to why a UNSC ship would be included in the concept art if humans werent going to be in this trilogy. Once again, im just asking.

And I dont own the encyclopedia but I keep hearing that the Chief is still missing by 2610, i think it is? Couldnt the UNSC make contact with the Chief sometime between 2553 and 2610 only to have him go missing again? Technically, depending on the events and how long he could go missing the second time, they could still say that he is still missing by 2610.

But I may be missing some glaring facts in my questions so feel free to enlighten me! The more knowledge I get about this unierse, the better :D

  • 09.10.2011 5:10 AM PDT

i honestly do not care if the UNSC or coves' come back, it just would be better.

1.fighting new and old enemies, rather than loads of flood every single level.

2.Throw in a elite every now and then, couldn't hurt. doesn't mean you gotta fight em' tho, so none of the "we been fighting elites for ages". I mean there isn't anything saying coves dont know this place what or whatnot... MC went in the direction of Earth, so UNSC and elites only need to backtrack, and the FuD better have a beacon of some-kind, or that's just unrealistic.

3. Given IF, and only IF, we spot a elite, then UNSC will follow. besides, is MC gonna camp out next to the FuD for the whole trilogy just so players can use fan favorite human weapons? i dont think so, personally. (and to anyone who go hatin on this post, if you say "weapons will be scattered everywhere in the game" then keep this in mind: for weapons to be scattered throughout the game, there needs to be a logical reason why, rather than "just are")

That said, i dont really care if old friendlies come back, i'm just pushing toward that. I'm a personal game developer, and i keep things as real as possible, and i know for a fact, that if they dont, wont be AS GOOD.

P.s. If you have a argument about this, please be mature about it and avoid throwing insults? i wont even respond to you if you jump the gun like that.

[Edited on 09.10.2011 6:01 AM PDT]

  • 09.10.2011 5:58 AM PDT