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Subject: The UNSC nor covenant will be in new trilogy

UNSC and the elites should make brief appearances.

If Master Chief will be the only outlet we have that connects the factions from the previous trilogy to any new ones we will meet in the next trilogy, I will be disappointed. I cannot fathom the epicness that would ensue if a Human-Elite alliance would have to battle or partner up with the brand new races MC will meet in large-scale warfare involving new technology.

  • 07.25.2011 6:42 PM PDT

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They aren't going to appear.

  • 07.25.2011 6:44 PM PDT


Posted by: DecepticonCobra
They aren't going to appear.

Says who? If we are going to meet the Forerunners or "Precursors" in the next series, then these two races will obviously have interest in MC and in finding out humanity has once again risen in technology and magnitude as a species. They have an entire race they wiped our earlier that is capable of utilizing most Forerunner technology.

[Edited on 07.25.2011 6:47 PM PDT]

  • 07.25.2011 6:46 PM PDT

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I meant the UNSC or Covenant will not appear. I'm pretty sure the Forerunners would know we would rise anyway, they kinda put that into motion.

  • 07.25.2011 6:47 PM PDT


Posted by: DecepticonCobra
I meant the UNSC or Covenant will not appear. I'm pretty sure the Forerunners would know we would rise anyway, they kinda put that into motion.

Well they would have some interest. Have you read Halo: Cryptum or the basic story of it?

  • 07.25.2011 6:48 PM PDT

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Herp derp, yes. However, we don't know their full intentions yet. For all we know they just want us to grow large enough to discover the cure against the Flood and then swoop in, recover it, and then take over their former empire again.

  • 07.25.2011 6:52 PM PDT

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Maybe by the third Forerunner book we will have a better idea as to what direction the series will be taking?

  • 07.25.2011 6:56 PM PDT

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UNSC may or may not appear. Both canonically and gameplay-wise it would just make sense.

Depending on the interval between Halo 3 and the start of Halo 4 the UNSC may be completely recovered or still in fragments and disarray from the H-C War. Colonies or groups of humans may still be separated from the rest of humanity. For all we know other ships of both Covenant and UNSC (or maybe even other races ie. Forerunner) could have been sucked in by the Legendary Planet, giving marine presence some substance. While the Spirit of Fire is not involved in the next game according to the Comic-Con panel, there is a multitude of possibilities for who would be there for the Chief. The idea of an isolated group of UNSC personnel and weaponry would be plausible.

From a gameplay standpoint, it would make sense to have a UNSC presence. I highly doubt the Chief will be in proximity to the Forward Unto Dawn and able to constantly find more ammo or weapons to fight with or that he will only be armed with Forerunner/Precursor/third party weaponry. Having UNSC forces would give a logical explanation for an abundance of human technology. Similarly it would give the player an ally that is known and would be on the Chiefs side.

I don't understand why some people outright refuse to believe there will be UNSC tech or presence in Halo 4. Covenant I can understand, but the UNSC is a definite possibility.

  • 07.25.2011 7:03 PM PDT

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Posted by: MickelPickel
I don't understand why some people outright refuse to believe there will be UNSC tech or presence in Halo 4. Covenant I can understand, but the UNSC is a definite possibility.


Because it is CHIEF'S story. He is there to confront his destiny.

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Posted by: MickelPickel
UNSC may or may not appear. Both canonically and gameplay-wise it would just make sense.

Depending on the interval between Halo 3 and the start of Halo 4 the UNSC may be completely recovered or still in fragments and disarray from the H-C War. Colonies or groups of humans may still be separated from the rest of humanity. For all we know other ships of both Covenant and UNSC (or maybe even other races ie. Forerunner) could have been sucked in by the Legendary Planet, giving marine presence some substance. While the Spirit of Fire is not involved in the next game according to the Comic-Con panel, there is a multitude of possibilities for who would be there for the Chief. The idea of an isolated group of UNSC personnel and weaponry would be plausible.

From a gameplay standpoint, it would make sense to have a UNSC presence. I highly doubt the Chief will be in proximity to the Forward Unto Dawn and able to constantly find more ammo or weapons to fight with or that he will only be armed with Forerunner/Precursor/third party weaponry. Having UNSC forces would give a logical explanation for an abundance of human technology. Similarly it would give the player an ally that is known and would be on the Chiefs side.

I don't understand why some people outright refuse to believe there will be UNSC tech or presence in Halo 4. Covenant I can understand, but the UNSC is a definite possibility.


It wouldn't make sense at all because of two things: Frankie said "no purple" and this is new trilogy, you do not need to play last trilogy to understand. It means that there will be no covenant or UNSC, period. We will fight is: Forerunners, Precursors or Flood.

Another reason is that Encyclopedia stated that nobody managed to find MC in 2589. Another source shows that UNSC even tried to find him by 2610 but no avail. It proves that UNSC/Covenant will be not there at Halo 4 as well. Also location is unknown as well, and probably far away such as 10,000 to 50,000 light years away.

[Edited on 07.25.2011 7:12 PM PDT]

  • 07.25.2011 7:10 PM PDT

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: MickelPickel
I don't understand why some people outright refuse to believe there will be UNSC tech or presence in Halo 4. Covenant I can understand, but the UNSC is a definite possibility.


Because it is CHIEF'S story. He is there to confront his destiny.
It is his story; he is the main protagonist and the main character sent to confront his destiny. I don't see why that doesn't mean he won't have any help along the way though. Master Chief is head honcho but he has always needed a supporting cast to nudge him in the right direction and I doubt all of his buddies will be forerunners/precursors/floating blue lightbulbs/etc. From a storytelling standpoint the Chief has always needed allies and the UNSC fits this role like a glove.


Posted by: raganok99
It wouldn't make sense at all because of two things: Frankie said "no purple" and this is new trilogy, you do not need to play last trilogy to understand. It means that there will be no covenant or UNSC, period. We will fight is: Forerunners, Precursors or Flood.

Another reason is that Encyclopedia stated that nobody managed to find MC in 2589. Another source shows that UNSC even tried to find him by 2610 but no avail. It proves that UNSC/Covenant will be not there at Halo 4 as well. Also location is unknown as well, and probably far away such as 10,000 to 50,000 light years away.


While you don't have to play the last trilogy to understand Halo 4-6, in my personal opinion, I don't think the UNSC is too hard of a concept to grasp quickly without playing the last few games. In Halo CE it didn't take me long to understand that the UNSC/crew of the Pillar of Autumn were good guys fighting the "bad guys" (then the Covenant; now something else). As I previously said the absence of the Covenant is completely believable; no purple is perfectly fine with me.

I would assume that any contact with the UNSC would become similar to a Spirit of Fire scenario, would result in all hands lost (besides Chief of course), or would be covered up by ONI on a massive level, especially if by Halo 6 Chief ends up KIA. If he became involved in something as big as Halo 4's description denotes (universe saving and whatnot) it might be of ONI and the UNSC's interests to cover it up to some degree. But I digress.

Humanity, for all we know, may have improved its tech to the point where it can reach distances like 10,000-50,000 light years in smaller intervals of time. Or, conversely, they aren't as far away as previously thought. At this point there are too many variables as to where Chief is to make any informed judgements as to whether it is possible/impossible for friendlies to make the slipspace jump out to him.

[Edited on 07.25.2011 7:33 PM PDT]

  • 07.25.2011 7:16 PM PDT

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Posted by: MickelPickel

Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: MickelPickel
I don't understand why some people outright refuse to believe there will be UNSC tech or presence in Halo 4. Covenant I can understand, but the UNSC is a definite possibility.


Because it is CHIEF'S story. He is there to confront his destiny.
It is his story; he is the main protagonist and the main character sent to confront his destiny. I don't see why that doesn't mean he won't have any help along the way though. Master Chief is head honcho but he has always needed a supporting cast to nudge him in the right direction and I doubt all of his buddies will be forerunners/precursors/floating blue lightbulbs/etc. From a storytelling standpoint the Chief has always needed allies and the UNSC fits this role like a glove.


But they don't know where he is and according to the Encyclopedia, they never will know.

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Posted by: MickelPickel

Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: MickelPickel
I don't understand why some people outright refuse to believe there will be UNSC tech or presence in Halo 4. Covenant I can understand, but the UNSC is a definite possibility.


Because it is CHIEF'S story. He is there to confront his destiny.
It is his story; he is the main protagonist and the main character sent to confront his destiny. I don't see why that doesn't mean he won't have any help along the way though. Master Chief is head honcho but he has always needed a supporting cast to nudge him in the right direction and I doubt all of his buddies will be forerunners/precursors/floating blue lightbulbs/etc. From a storytelling standpoint the Chief has always needed allies and the UNSC fits this role like a glove.


It is not difficult to understand that there will be NO UNSC OR COVENANT AT HALO 4. His allies can be Forerunners, only. (My speculation)

It wouldn't make sense because the location and year it has passed. UNSC would have assumed that Master Chief is dead. Locations can be extremely far away from UNSC controlled space, such as 10,000 to 50,000 years away.

And, Frankie confirmed that there is no UNSC or Covenants there, PERIOD.

AND, Encyclopedia stated that even after 2580s or 2610s, they still don't know where Master Chief is.

[Edited on 07.25.2011 7:22 PM PDT]

  • 07.25.2011 7:21 PM PDT

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Posted by: raganok99
It wouldn't make sense at all because of two things: Frankie said "no purple" and this is new trilogy, you do not need to play last trilogy to understand. It means that there will be no covenant or UNSC, period. We will fight is: Forerunners, Precursors or Flood.

Another reason is that Encyclopedia stated that nobody managed to find MC in 2589. Another source shows that UNSC even tried to find him by 2610 but no avail. It proves that UNSC/Covenant will be not there at Halo 4 as well. Also location is unknown as well, and probably far away such as 10,000 to 50,000 light years away.


While you don't have to play the last trilogy to understand Halo 4-6, in my personal opinion, I don't think the UNSC is too hard of a concept to grasp quickly without playing the last few games. In Halo CE it didn't take me long to understand that the UNSC/crew of the Pillar of Autumn were good guys fighting the "bad guys" (then the Covenant; now something else). As I previously said the absence of the Covenant is completely believable; no purple is perfectly fine with me.

I would assume that any contact with the UNSC would become similar to a Spirit of Fire scenario, would result in all hands lost (besides Chief of course), or would be covered up by ONI on a massive level, especially if by Halo 6 Chief ends up KIA. If he became involved in something as big as Halo 4's description denotes (universe saving and whatnot) it might be of ONI and the UNSC's interests to cover it up to some degree. But I digress.

Humanity, for all we know, may have improved its tech to the point where it can reach distances like 10,000-50,000 light years in smaller intervals of time. Or, conversely, they aren't as far away as previously thought. At this point there are too many variables as to where Chief is to make any informed judgements as to whether it is possible/impossible for friendlies to make the slipspace jump out to him.

  • 07.25.2011 7:42 PM PDT

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I love how NOW everyone seems to love the Encyclopedia, yet when it first released the hate train was all over it.

Those numbers are subject to change you know. If Reach taught me anything it's that no canon is sacred, and anything can be changed at any time and without explanation.

  • 07.25.2011 7:59 PM PDT

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Posted by: privet caboose
I love how NOW everyone seems to love the Encyclopedia, yet when it first released the hate train was all over it.

Those numbers are subject to change you know. If Reach taught me anything it's that no canon is sacred, and anything can be changed at any time and without explanation.


They may be subject to change and I've known stuff like that before the community got that wake up call with Reach, but until they do change, they are fact. I would expect someone like you to understand that concept Caboose.

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Posted by: privet caboose
I'd be fine with having a few Covenant species show up in the trilogy. Elites, Brutes, Engineers...anything really. "The Covenant" is finished, but the races that made up that Covenant are sure to make atleast a cameo appearance somewhere in this new trilogy. I can't see the Elites being completely gone from something this huge. Halo is just as much about the Elites as it is the humans.

To be completely honest my fingers are still crossed for a dual campaign ala Halo 2. I REALLY want to see Rtas and the Arbiter hunting down the brutes and things like that. Exploring for the other rings to destroy them, that kind of thing. I think it'd be really interesting and would be a good throw back to the last trilogy to "finish up" what was left after Halo 3.

But, if the "no purple" thing is true I guess that rules out my hopes.


Frankie said "no purple" with a serious face, no laughing, no smirk, no nothing and we all know frankie gives visual hints.

And if any race showed up that would go against the "you dion't need to play the last games to get this one" unless it was an easter egg in which i wouldn't care. the only "covenant" race that could be in are engineers or legkolo since those are the only ones that have an association with the forerunners

  • 07.26.2011 5:08 AM PDT

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When/where did Frankie say all this (linkz please?)

But that would make for a very compelling story. It would convince me that 343i isn't trying to simply milk the franchise which they will undoubtedly reap millions of dollars from just by announcing a game with the Halo in its title with the next consecutive integer.

However, as long as the story is lengthy, well written, and adds to the canon in a meaningful way while still leaving us wanting more for Halo 5 and Halo 6, I'd call that a complete success.

I couldn't care less for competitive multiplayer, as long as my forge, customs, theater, and firefight are back.

  • 07.26.2011 5:14 AM PDT

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And if any race showed up that would go against the "you dion't need to play the last games to get this one" unless it was an easter egg in which i wouldn't care. the only "covenant" race that could be in are engineers or legkolo since those are the only ones that have an association with the forerunners
In my opinion, they've been throwing out this phrase way too frequently, particularly with Cryptum.

With Cryptum, you didn't necessarily need to know anything about Halo canon to understand the story, but you certainly needed a fairly substantial amount of Halo knowledge to fully appreciate and understand the story with all its implications. There were references to the San Shyuum (which probably only hardcore fans know are the Prophets), as well as mentioning Halo, the Flood, and the Ark.

In short, I don't think we can draw too many conclusions that would be accurate based on that phrase they may have released. The "no purple" comment is probably more significant though.

  • 07.26.2011 5:18 AM PDT

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I'm wondering when Cortana is going to die, her life span is supposed to be 7 years.

  • 07.26.2011 5:42 AM PDT

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Posted by: ankor66
I'm wondering when Cortana is going to die, her life span is supposed to be 7 years.


Key word is "supposed."

AI can live past 7 years. It's just that USUALLY around the 7 year mark they start going rampant.

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Posted by: Plasma Prestige
And if any race showed up that would go against the "you dion't need to play the last games to get this one" unless it was an easter egg in which i wouldn't care. the only "covenant" race that could be in are engineers or legkolo since those are the only ones that have an association with the forerunners
In my opinion, they've been throwing out this phrase way too frequently, particularly with Cryptum.

With Cryptum, you didn't necessarily need to know anything about Halo canon to understand the story, but you certainly needed a fairly substantial amount of Halo knowledge to fully appreciate and understand the story with all its implications. There were references to the San Shyuum (which probably only hardcore fans know are the Prophets), as well as mentioning Halo, the Flood, and the Ark.

In short, I don't think we can draw too many conclusions that would be accurate based on that phrase they may have released. The "no purple" comment is probably more significant though.


I don't remember them ever saying that about cryptum, other than it was a forerunner backstory and obviously if you only know of the covenant you aren't going to know of it .

  • 07.26.2011 5:44 AM PDT

I agree that we shouldn't draw conclusions from the whole 'you don't need to play the other games' statement. He was probably just referring to the fact that Halo 4 kicks off a whole new story arc. There will probably be references to older titles, which players will get, and enhance their experience, but that others don't necessarily need to understand.

So, I feel, by Halo 6, we'll have encountered Engineers, probably Lekgolo (would be cool if they explored them just a little); and Elites. No one thinks there is a possibility of Prophets making an appearance?

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

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Posted by: NAStheMagiking
I agree that we shouldn't draw conclusions from the whole 'you don't need to play the other games' statement. He was probably just referring to the fact that Halo 4 kicks off a whole new story arc. There will probably be references to older titles, which players will get, and enhance their experience, but that others don't necessarily need to understand.

So, I feel, by Halo 6, we'll have encountered Engineers, probably Lekgolo (would be cool if they explored them just a little); and Elites. No one thinks there is a possibility of Prophets making an appearance?


i honesty doubt lekgolo will be in just because of what the forerunners viewed them as.

  • 07.26.2011 5:59 AM PDT

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Posted by: Plasma Prestige
And if any race showed up that would go against the "you dion't need to play the last games to get this one" unless it was an easter egg in which i wouldn't care. the only "covenant" race that could be in are engineers or legkolo since those are the only ones that have an association with the forerunners
In my opinion, they've been throwing out this phrase way too frequently, particularly with Cryptum.

With Cryptum, you didn't necessarily need to know anything about Halo canon to understand the story, but you certainly needed a fairly substantial amount of Halo knowledge to fully appreciate and understand the story with all its implications. There were references to the San Shyuum (which probably only hardcore fans know are the Prophets), as well as mentioning Halo, the Flood, and the Ark.

In short, I don't think we can draw too many conclusions that would be accurate based on that phrase they may have released. The "no purple" comment is probably more significant though.


I don't remember them ever saying that about cryptum, other than it was a forerunner backstory and obviously if you only know of the covenant you aren't going to know of it .


No, Plasma is right. Frankie and Greg both stated that you didn't need to know anything about Halo to be able to pick up and Cryptum. I'm actually fairly sure it was stated in multiple interviews. Look around on waypoint, I'm sure you'll find them. I think it was at the book signing Q&A.

  • 07.26.2011 6:06 AM PDT