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Subject: The UNSC nor covenant will be in new trilogy

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*reads through thread*

So I'm pretty sure the 'Believe' stuff is non-canon; a PR ploy done way back in 2007 when ideas for Halo 4's story hadn't even been dreamt of.

I think it's very probably the UNSC and Covenant will be in the new trilogy. It's likely John will make his way back home at some point; in Halo 4's beginning I imagine it likely he discovers some ancient threat and then later on in the game he makes it back to our galaxy as this ancient threat is attacking.

Humans and the Covenant are focal points of Halo. Everyone who has played the games knows the space marines and the aliens. Halo 4 needs to include them to provide anchoring points to the universe; to branch off too far would equate to a disconnect between what we know as Halo and Halo 4 -- it's all well and good to introduce new enemies, new locations, new technology, but it needs to be juxtaposed alongside things we're familiar with so it all runs smoothly.

Sorry grey, but I think you're wrong on this one. The UNSC and Covenant will most definitely appear in the new Halo trilogy.

I personally wouldn't want it any other way either.

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

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we well see frog but from all of the recent story additions it isn't likely. since he is still missing by what 2689?

not to mention that all the current lore takes place during halo 4 and they keep hammering the fact he is MIA

  • 07.27.2011 7:22 AM PDT

As I said, that date was derived from a marketing internet trailer. The Encyclopedia (which is hardly conclusive as was proved before everyone suddenly started kissing its arse) gets that date from that same PR internet trailer.

Which we all know is very low down on the canon list.

And as for current lore taking place in Halo 4, how do you know that? Do we even have a date for when Halo 4 is set? Now admittedly I haven't been keeping up to date on the universe lately, I read Cryptum but I'm not sure what else is coming out. But I know in The Return it's set only six years after the human-Covenant war ended in 2552. So 2558. Was the Master Chief's absence even mentioned in that short story.

I'm not sure when Grasslands is set but I doubt it's anything too far ahead in the future.

I can easily see Halo 4 taking place in 2558, five years after Halo 3 ended in 2553. Maybe for about six months or a year or something the Chief is MIA, wherever the hell he is. At some point he'll make it back though.

Edit: Realised you got that 2589 from Halsey's speech at the end of Reach. I don't think the Master Chief is once mentioned in that.

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

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Posted by: Wolverfrog
As I said, that date was derived from a marketing internet trailer. The Encyclopedia (which is hardly conclusive as was proved before everyone suddenly started kissing its arse) gets that date from that same PR internet trailer.

Which we all know is very low down on the canon list.

And as for current lore taking place in Halo 4, how do you know that? Do we even have a date for when Halo 4 is set? Now admittedly I haven't been keeping up to date on the universe lately, I read Cryptum but I'm not sure what else is coming out. But I know in The Return it's set only six years after the human-Covenant war ended in 2552. So 2558. Was the Master Chief's absence even mentioned in that short story.

I'm not sure when Grasslands is set but I doubt it's anything too far ahead in the future.

I can easily see Halo 4 taking place in 2558, five years after Halo 3 ended in 2553. Maybe for about six months or a year or something the Chief is MIA, wherever the hell he is. At some point he'll make it back though.

Edit: Realised you got that 2589 from Halsey's speech at the end of Reach. I don't think the Master Chief is once mentioned in that.


We know that halo 4 well take place roughly 4-5 years afterwards because cortana is about to be 7 around then from origins. we we kept getting hints about that when legends came out being told "while everything isn't 100 percent correct something is going on with cortana"

I got the date from the Encyclopedia and regardless of the stigma around it they touched an area that hasn't been touched so that is what i am going off of. and canon is in the air until 343i says what is and isn't.

its glasslands frog :/ and it is post war.


I don't see how chief "making it back" would tie in with the story since we are suppose to be off fighting some ancient evil. And with everything saying he doesn't make it back i find that unlikely.


It just wouldn't add up not to mention chief is also "away" so we can see what is going on in his absence and how everybody is rebuilding; how old war blues are coming back to haunt people..

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i hope more than anything that grey is right on this one, ever since the first game = ce, i've always hated the covenant and the unsc.

The covenant i always thought were too weak and did not deserve the hype they got in the games. I have gotten tired of the color purple (which by the way, frank stated that there will be less purple in the halo 4 http://videogamewriters.com/vgw-e3-microsoft-show-reveals-hal o-4-as-beginning-of-new-trilogy-12300). and i have had enough of the elites. I share an opinion similar to lord hood on the elites, yea sure they helped us win in the end, but humanity wouldn't even be in such a mess if the elites hadn't blindly followed their genocidal campaign. And on top of that, they still hold a superior attitude and talk about honor, yet they hide behind layers of energy shields and as the headhunter put it were "the blam-heads that invented active camo!"

The unsc however pissed me off more than anything, i mean come on, nearly 550 years in the future and we're still using gunpowder and ballistic weaponry? Despite darpa already aiming for utilizing kinetic energy rifles withing the next 20 years.

We are still using wheels on our vehicles? or glass coverings on the spartan's visor? despite numerous technologies already invented that would make glass in this application obsolete.

We aren't even using robots in warfare, which the covenant don't use either, even though darpa is already building crude humanoid robots for warfare today (ATLAS). I'm 100% sure that due to the rate of growth in this technology today, humanity should be easily able to manufacture war robots rivaling the t-800 from terminator within the next 100 years.

Lastly, where is nano-technology in the human technology? we are already experimenting with nano-bots today, and 540 years is a long time.

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I'm sure we will see the Humans, and covenant species again, but not in Halo 4, which is what Grey is saying. Your saying they will be in the new trilogy, which I'm sure they will, but as I said before, Grey is talking about Halo 4.

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qirahs. I doubt Bungie knew how fast we were going to advance in a decade, so they thought of what would be a good estimate. Also, it seems to make sense at there was a period of time where there was peace for 300 years I believe. I doubt people would be focused on advancing weapon technology.

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Posted by: Onyx81
qirahs. I doubt Bungie knew how fast we were going to advance in a decade, so they thought of what would be a good estimate. Also, it seems to make sense at there was a period of time where there was peace for 300 years I believe. I doubt people would be focused on advancing weapon technology.


I get what you are trying to say, yea it would be harsh to expect bungie to do this much research, however 540 years is a long time, and it wouldn't take a great leap of logic to guess that the unsc would have some pretty advanced technology by then. The only thing i thought the unsc did well, was thier ship building and the spartan II program, other than that. . . nothing. peace never stops military growth.

Countries never stop producing new technologies just because of peace. Many countries are in times of peace right now, yet there is always the "better safe than sorry" policy. Humanity is a naturally violent species.

  • 07.27.2011 8:23 AM PDT


Posted by: MisterBraz

But as for the UNSC not being in the new trilogy completely, Cortana said she would drop a beacon for their location, so I could definitely see them showing up later in the trilogy, but not Halo 4.[/quote]
you clearly didn't read the post then[/quote]


Nvm scratch what I said, that was confusing. Basically, what I'm pondering is maybe they weren't considering a sequel when they declared all of that (MC being MIA as of 2610), so they're like "oh -blam!-, who are MC's allies gonna be? its gonna be weird with just him" and decide to bring back the UNSC again, which is possible if they encounter a vessal or w/e unable to contact Earth of finding MC, because they die out there. But that would only be possible with all of that encyclopedia/commercial stuff not being officially canon, in which alot of that fan fiction stuff isn't.

ok so i doubt this will happen but maybe MC will find the crew from halo wars just a fought

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Posted by: MisterBraz

But as for the UNSC not being in the new trilogy completely, Cortana said she would drop a beacon for their location, so I could definitely see them showing up later in the trilogy, but not Halo 4.[/quote]
you clearly didn't read the post then[/quote]


Nvm scratch what I said, that was confusing. Basically, what I'm pondering is maybe they weren't considering a sequel when they declared all of that (MC being MIA as of 2610), so they're like "oh -blam!-, who are MC's allies gonna be? its gonna be weird with just him" and decide to bring back the UNSC again, which is possible if they encounter a vessal or w/e unable to contact Earth of finding MC, because they die out there. But that would only be possible with all of that encyclopedia/commercial stuff not being officially canon, in which alot of that fan fiction stuff isn't.

ok so i doubt this will happen but maybe MC will find the crew from halo wars just a fought
Frankie has confirmed that, that won't happen.

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qirahs. I doubt Bungie knew how fast we were going to advance in a decade, so they thought of what would be a good estimate. Also, it seems to make sense at there was a period of time where there was peace for 300 years I believe. I doubt people would be focused on advancing weapon technology.


I get what you are trying to say, yea it would be harsh to expect bungie to do this much research, however 540 years is a long time, and it wouldn't take a great leap of logic to guess that the unsc would have some pretty advanced technology by then. The only thing i thought the unsc did well, was thier ship building and the spartan II program, other than that. . . nothing. peace never stops military growth.

Countries never stop producing new technologies just because of peace. Many countries are in times of peace right now, yet there is always the "better safe than sorry" policy. Humanity is a naturally violent species.
Yea, but the UNSC is the military. That's one military with no wars. That means there is no need to expand. Look at the MA5 series. It's been in use for a few decades and it's design hasn't changed much. Same with the Pro Pipe, which I believe was adopted 190 years ago from 2552.

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Posted by: Onyx81
qirahs. I doubt Bungie knew how fast we were going to advance in a decade, so they thought of what would be a good estimate. Also, it seems to make sense at there was a period of time where there was peace for 300 years I believe. I doubt people would be focused on advancing weapon technology.


I get what you are trying to say, yea it would be harsh to expect bungie to do this much research, however 540 years is a long time, and it wouldn't take a great leap of logic to guess that the unsc would have some pretty advanced technology by then. The only thing i thought the unsc did well, was thier ship building and the spartan II program, other than that. . . nothing. peace never stops military growth.

Countries never stop producing new technologies just because of peace. Many countries are in times of peace right now, yet there is always the "better safe than sorry" policy. Humanity is a naturally violent species.
Yea, but the UNSC is the military. That's one military with no wars. That means there is no need to expand. Look at the MA5 series. It's been in use for a few decades and it's design hasn't changed much. Same with the Pro Pipe, which I believe was made 150 years ago from 2552.


The MA5 is just what I mean, the design for not only that gun, but the sniper rifles and shotguns have changed little in nearly 80 years. 80 years of the same gun, same firing mechanisms. Which is exactly what i'm trying to get at, how do the guns not change in such a huge time period, as the MA5 was used during insurrectionists and the covenant, both major wars the unsc fought yet the gun did not change(the unsc also fought in the inner colony wars about a hundred years earlier). The grenade launcher from reach had been in use for nearly 300 years, through 3 major conflicts and yet never changed.
You think bungie would have made it that a new successor to the gun was produced at least every 20-30 years.

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True. However, it could have been extremely expensive to develop and streamline Energy weapons, which is why they are holding off for now. We don't know the true capabilities of all these weapons, so maybe we've hit a roof for non-energy weapons.

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Posted by: Onyx81
True. However, it could have been extremely expensive to develop and streamline Energy weapons, which is why they are holding off for now. We don't know the true capabilities of all these weapons, so maybe we've hit a roof for non-energy weapons.

hhmm. . . very well. . . agree to disagree i suppose?

  • 07.27.2011 9:02 AM PDT

i think chief iss alone in space with cortana but is reunited with UNSC around level 4 or 5 an is aided by spartans and marines

  • 07.27.2011 10:36 AM PDT


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SPACE! We're in space. SPAAAAACCCCEEEEEE.

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I thought it was Grasslands. I guess Glasslands makes more sense. It's the one with Blue team in, right?

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20 bucks on the story having nothing to do with Earth and/or anything Human related. I'm hoping that this story line is all about the chief surviving and attempting to head back home.

Or possibly landing and helping out a local race in the universe.

Possibly a capture of him to be taken to the new enemies home. From there the chief helps beat the opressors.

Never know though..

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?

honestly i am saying they won't be in the entire trilogy. Glasslands is covering the events between 3 and 4 and karen still says chief is MIA so it is atleast a fact none of them will be in halo 4.

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  • 07.27.2011 11:10 AM PDT


Posted by: grey101
between 3 and 4


chief is MIA

between 3 and 4

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Posted by: PlyingFurball
20 bucks on the story having nothing to do with Earth and/or anything Human related. I'm hoping that this story line is all about the chief surviving and attempting to head back home.

Or possibly landing and helping out a local race in the universe.

Possibly a capture of him to be taken to the new enemies home. From there the chief helps beat the opressors.

Never know though..


I'll take that bet :)

I think Humans will have a role in it,remember the Ancient Human Empire?One day the Halo Humans need to know the truth if they want to inherit the mantle.

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?


Posted by: Wolverfrog

Posted by: grey101
between 3 and 4


chief is MIA

between 3 and 4


Yet the he is still missing well after that point. but 343 is hammering the fact that he is missing heavily.


Seeing how this is starting to go in circles i'll step back for a bit.

  • 07.27.2011 12:46 PM PDT

I'm quite interested to see who and what they include.

  • 07.27.2011 12:48 PM PDT

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I had this thought a while ago as well. But it also occured to me that Elites and other alien species could possibly be in the game, having used to have been in the Old Covenant without the Covenant faction technically being in the game.

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This is what we know:


Covenant- not present
UNSC- limited presence consisting of Sierra 117
Flood- Unknown if there
Forerunners- Most likely to be found


Mk. 5 Mjolnir = Combat Skin mk. 2
Mk. 6 Mjolnir = Combat Skin mk. 3

Forerunners in mk 12 combat skins = 4x overshields

I think there will be a stealhy aspect to this game.
Or we will need more ammo...

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This is what we know:


Covenant- not present
UNSC- limited presence consisting of Sierra 117
Flood- Unknown if there
Forerunners- Most likely to be found


Mk. 5 Mjolnir = Combat Skin mk. 2
Mk. 6 Mjolnir = Combat Skin mk. 3

Forerunners in mk 12 combat skins = 4x overshields

I think there will be a stealhy aspect to this game.
Or we will need more ammo...


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