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Subject: The UNSC nor covenant will be in new trilogy

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  • 07.27.2011 3:46 PM PDT


Posted by: Wolverfrog
I am here.

*reads through thread*

So I'm pretty sure the 'Believe' stuff is non-canon; a PR ploy done way back in 2007 when ideas for Halo 4's story hadn't even been dreamt of.

I think it's very probably the UNSC and Covenant will be in the new trilogy. It's likely John will make his way back home at some point; in Halo 4's beginning I imagine it likely he discovers some ancient threat and then later on in the game he makes it back to our galaxy as this ancient threat is attacking.

Humans and the Covenant are focal points of Halo. Everyone who has played the games knows the space marines and the aliens. Halo 4 needs to include them to provide anchoring points to the universe; to branch off too far would equate to a disconnect between what we know as Halo and Halo 4 -- it's all well and good to introduce new enemies, new locations, new technology, but it needs to be juxtaposed alongside things we're familiar with so it all runs smoothly.

Sorry grey, but I think you're wrong on this one. The UNSC and Covenant will most definitely appear in the new Halo trilogy.

I personally wouldn't want it any other way either.


Wolverfrog, I love you XD haha. I think I agree with everything you just said.

I don't think the Covenant races or UNSC will really be present in or play a part in Halo 4, since the trilogy will be dealing with new enemies and tons of new information I'm sure that the whole game will be needed for setting the stage for this new period in Halo's epic saga.

To automatically assume that neither the UNSC or "Covenant" will be in the new trilogy is a bit too forward and assuming too much from what little information we've been given. It's a fair, and safe, assumption to make that the UNSC and Covenant won't really be playing a part in Halo 4 however.

Yes, the trilogy is a new story, but to completely leave out or ignore the races or events of the previous chapter in Halo's saga is not the proper way to tell a story. The UNSC, or whatever new government might arise out of it are key players because they represent the leadership of the Human race, and Humanity are extremely important to Halo's overarching story. Leaving them out of the whole trilogy would be a mistake. And the same applies to the Covenant even though, except for the Prophets, they weren't major players back in the days of the Forerunner, they're still major players in post-war universe, the Elites are at the very least anyway. Wolverfrog summed all this up nicely, the new needs to have some of the old trilogy around to connect to, or otherwise it will feel disjointed and won't run like one smooth piece of machinery.

  • 07.27.2011 5:07 PM PDT
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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?

The thing is frog and coma that frankie himself clearly said "you won't need to play the old trilogy to get the new one" remember that alright?

I respect you both but everything you have been saying is going off the notion of the old games, if any scrap of covenant or UNSC were to be in that would confuse the newcomers (which i put at 6-7) that will be playing the game for the first time.

Now more than ever is a time where reading the books and paying attention to the lore because important, because 30 years from now there aren't going to be forerunners,flood,covenant,UNSC,precursors, in a game to ease the new story with new enemies.


Everything i said is going off of what frankie and the current timeline has said, i am not trying to half-ass this or make up fan fiction.

  • 07.27.2011 5:16 PM PDT


Posted by: Wolverfrog
I am here.

*reads through thread*

So I'm pretty sure the 'Believe' stuff is non-canon; a PR ploy done way back in 2007 when ideas for Halo 4's story hadn't even been dreamt of.

I think it's very probably the UNSC and Covenant will be in the new trilogy. It's likely John will make his way back home at some point; in Halo 4's beginning I imagine it likely he discovers some ancient threat and then later on in the game he makes it back to our galaxy as this ancient threat is attacking.

Humans and the Covenant are focal points of Halo. Everyone who has played the games knows the space marines and the aliens. Halo 4 needs to include them to provide anchoring points to the universe; to branch off too far would equate to a disconnect between what we know as Halo and Halo 4 -- it's all well and good to introduce new enemies, new locations, new technology, but it needs to be juxtaposed alongside things we're familiar with so it all runs smoothly.

Sorry grey, but I think you're wrong on this one. The UNSC and Covenant will most definitely appear in the new Halo trilogy.

I personally wouldn't want it any other way either.


*hugs*

inb4 gray and his canon assertion.

[Edited on 07.27.2011 5:19 PM PDT]

  • 07.27.2011 5:19 PM PDT

Hey, now!

This is officially either the greatest or worst thing to ever happen to Star Wars. I'm going with the former.

I think it's bit of a reach to say that neither faction will be in the entire trilogy.

I think that we might see the Spirit of Fire at some point(What a wrap up to Halo Wars that would be!), or at the very minimum some lost UNSC/Covenant forces.

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?

Blueruby you are far too late and try to support yourself instead of banking on somebody else

  • 07.27.2011 5:20 PM PDT

Keep in mind, the Covenant weren't completely eliminated in Halo 3. Only the leadership was destroyed. Civilizations are rarely like snakes, where the removal of the head is the end. They're more like chickens, where they run around helplessly, still physically able but almost completely crippled and disabled and won't last for long. Though in this case, the Covenant is a genocidal super-chicken.

  • 07.27.2011 5:20 PM PDT

Hey, now!

This is officially either the greatest or worst thing to ever happen to Star Wars. I'm going with the former.


Posted by: grey101
The thing is frog and coma that frankie himself clearly said "you won't need to play the old trilogy to get the new one" remember that alright?

I respect you both but everything you have been saying is going off the notion of the old games, if any scrap of covenant or UNSC were to be in that would confuse the newcomers (which i put at 6-7) that will be playing the game for the first time.

Now more than ever is a time where reading the books and paying attention to the lore because important, because 30 years from now there aren't going to be forerunners,flood,covenant,UNSC,precursors, in a game to ease the new story with new enemies.


Everything i said is going off of what frankie and the current timeline has said, i am not trying to half-ass this or make up fan fiction.


First, where is this quote from Frankie? I keep seeing people quoting it, but where is it from?

Also it's IMPOSSIBLE to not have any connections to the original trilogy. How else would new players know who the Chief/Cortana is, or why they are floating around in space?

  • 07.27.2011 5:21 PM PDT


Posted by: grey101
Blueruby you are far too late and try to support yourself instead of banking on somebody else


I'm just too young, and not mature enough to put up anymore arguments, so why not? Besides, he's saying what I'm trying to say anyway.
Lol, hater tater.
And stop following me everywhere on this forum.

  • 07.27.2011 5:22 PM PDT
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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?


Posted by: BlueRuby2k10

Posted by: grey101
Blueruby you are far too late and try to support yourself instead of banking on somebody else


I'm just too young, and not mature enough to put up anymore arguments, so why not? Besides, he's saying what I'm trying to say anyway.
Lol, hater tater.
And stop following me everywhere on this forum.


I have been in this forum for atleast 4 years, my account has years on yours so you are the one following me.

And i replied to your post forever ago, so goo read that.

  • 07.27.2011 5:23 PM PDT


Posted by: grey101
I respect you both but everything you have been saying is going off the notion of the old games, if any scrap of covenant or UNSC were to be in that would confuse the newcomers (which i put at 6-7) that will be playing the game for the first time.


This is what we call selective reasoning. Just pointing that out, there.

  • 07.27.2011 5:24 PM PDT


Posted by: grey101

Posted by: BlueRuby2k10

Posted by: grey101
Blueruby you are far too late and try to support yourself instead of banking on somebody else


I'm just too young, and not mature enough to put up anymore arguments, so why not? Besides, he's saying what I'm trying to say anyway.
Lol, hater tater.
And stop following me everywhere on this forum.


I have been in this forum for atleast 4 years, my account has years on yours so you are the one following me.

And i replied to your post forever ago, so goo read that.


I did read it, silly.
I don't see how how many years we've been here matters, or how it tells you that I'm following you, but one thing's sure: I will laugh when you and Deception start hating on the new trilogy when you see Covies and UNSC roaming the area.

Or maybe I'm just stupid? Who knows. I've run out of counter-arguments, so I'm just trolling as one last resort. Or perhaps I really don't feel like arguing at this point, seeing as how you're a Halo canon cultist.
But again, who knows?

[Edited on 07.27.2011 5:29 PM PDT]

  • 07.27.2011 5:26 PM PDT
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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?


Posted by: BlueRuby2k10

Posted by: grey101
Blueruby you are far too late and try to support yourself instead of banking on somebody else[/quote]

I'm just too young, and not mature enough to put up anymore arguments, so why not? Besides, he's saying what I'm trying to say anyway.
Lol, hater tater.
And stop following me everywhere on this forum. [/quote]

I have been in this forum for atleast 4 years, my account has years on yours so you are the one following me.

And i replied to your post forever ago, so goo read that.


I did read it, silly.
I don't see how how many years we've been here matters, or how it tells you that I'm following you, but one thing's sure: I will laugh when you and Deception start hating on the new trilogy when you see Covies and the UNSC roaming the area.


because i have been here longer than you, and i stopped trying to go to the waypoint forums because you were there.

i wouldn't hate the new trilogy because of something like that unless it got in the way of the story. But i am saying it is unlikely and you shouldn't pray for it.

  • 07.27.2011 5:29 PM PDT


Posted by: grey101

Posted by: BlueRuby2k10

Posted by: grey101
Blueruby you are far too late and try to support yourself instead of banking on somebody else[/quote]

I'm just too young, and not mature enough to put up anymore arguments, so why not? Besides, he's saying what I'm trying to say anyway.
Lol, hater tater.
And stop following me everywhere on this forum. [/quote]

I have been in this forum for atleast 4 years, my account has years on yours so you are the one following me.

And i replied to your post forever ago, so goo read that.


I did read it, silly.
I don't see how how many years we've been here matters, or how it tells you that I'm following you, but one thing's sure: I will laugh when you and Deception start hating on the new trilogy when you see Covies and the UNSC roaming the area.


because i have been here longer than you, and i stopped trying to go to the waypoint forums because you were there.

i wouldn't hate the new trilogy because of something like that unless it got in the way of the story. But i am saying it is unlikely and you shouldn't pray for it.


Then why are you so hell-bent on asserting your views in other's faces like you're Fred Phelps?

*For the record, by "following", I mean bashing me by bringing this silly argument up in a completely different thread. Derpity herp.

[Edited on 07.27.2011 5:33 PM PDT]

  • 07.27.2011 5:30 PM PDT

Hey, now!

This is officially either the greatest or worst thing to ever happen to Star Wars. I'm going with the former.

Do you two need a moment or something?

  • 07.27.2011 5:33 PM PDT


Posted by: thebobafettest
Do you two need a moment or something?


Yes please lol.

  • 07.27.2011 5:34 PM PDT


Posted by: grey101
The thing is frog and coma that frankie himself clearly said "you won't need to play the old trilogy to get the new one" remember that alright?

I respect you both but everything you have been saying is going off the notion of the old games, if any scrap of covenant or UNSC were to be in that would confuse the newcomers (which i put at 6-7) that will be playing the game for the first time.


The Legendary Planet looks Forerunner and most probably is. Everyone assumes so, and there's a high possibility of it being Forerunner. If there were new people introducing themself to the new Trilogy, the Legendary Planet completley destroys the point of "You don't need to play the previous Halo games". If anything, it would confuse new comers to Halo.

I for one would be extremely disapointed if neither UNSC or Covenant do not appear in the new Trilogy because that's what we've grown up with throughout the Halo games.

  • 07.27.2011 5:36 PM PDT
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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?


Posted by: X SWORD PWNER X

Posted by: grey101
The thing is frog and coma that frankie himself clearly said "you won't need to play the old trilogy to get the new one" remember that alright?

I respect you both but everything you have been saying is going off the notion of the old games, if any scrap of covenant or UNSC were to be in that would confuse the newcomers (which i put at 6-7) that will be playing the game for the first time.[/quote]

The Legendary Planet looks Forerunner and most probably is. Everyone assumes so, and there's a high possibility of it being Forerunner. If there were new people introducing themself to the new Trilogy, the Legendary Planet completley destroys the point of "You don't need to play the previous Halo games". If anything, it would confuse new comers to Halo.

I for one would be extremely disapointed if neither UNSC or Covenant do not appear in the new Trilogy because that's what we've grown up with throughout the Halo games.

[/quote]

It Is forerunner seeing how we know of no other race living that could build something like that. not to mention it wouldn't make sense for MB to send chief to his makers yet the planet is anything but forerunner. And you don't need to play the older games to get whats going on far as i can tell.

Halo 4- Chief and cortana wake up drifting to some "unknown" planet.

Halo CE- Chief and cortana are drifting to some unknown ringworld


Same-thing if you want to know more play the last trilogy just like those who wanted to know more read "The Fall of Reach".



Posted by: BlueRuby2k10

Posted by: grey101

Blueruby you are far too late and try to support yourself instead of banking on somebody else[/quote]

I'm just too young, and not mature enough to put up anymore arguments, so why not? Besides, he's saying what I'm trying to say anyway.
Lol, hater tater.
And stop following me everywhere on this forum. [/quote]

I have been in this forum for atleast 4 years, my account has years on yours so you are the one following me.

And i replied to your post forever ago, so goo read that.


I did read it, silly.
I don't see how how many years we've been here matters, or how it tells you that I'm following you, but one thing's sure: I will laugh when you and Deception start hating on the new trilogy when you see Covies and the UNSC roaming the area.


because i have been here longer than you, and i stopped trying to go to the waypoint forums because you were there.

i wouldn't hate the new trilogy because of something like that unless it got in the way of the story. But i am saying it is unlikely and you shouldn't pray for it.


Then why are you so hell-bent on asserting your views in other's faces like you're Fred Phelps?

*For the record, by "following", I mean bashing me by bringing this silly argument up in a completely different thread. Derpity herp.


I am not doing that seeing how i am actually backing my stuff up, and what are you talking about? i posted this yesterday and this is the first time i seen you since you got banned.

I really don't care about you.

  • 07.27.2011 5:58 PM PDT

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Posted by: grey101
I just popped this into me head.


Halo 4 start around 5 years after halo 3 in which we already know form lore and frankie that the "covenant" won't be in.


Now from the UNSC angle alot of the post war stuff dedicated to chief was built in 2560s in which is wasn't back along with the the encyclopedia saying "as of 2589 chief is still MIA".


The new trilogy will be free of old elements as they couldn't return; unless there is going to be a massive span between 4 and 5


I have to check my encyclopedia but if this all is true, THIS is why I assumed, upon seeing the trailer, that I will HIGHLY dislike Halo 4.

  • 07.27.2011 6:05 PM PDT

Expressing my strong liberal views without shame. Favorite quotes below:

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."
"One starts to live when he can live outside himself."

- Albert Einstein

Grey, Frankie saying, "You don't need to play the old games to understand this game," means very little. They said that about Cryptum, and I think we can all agree that Cryptum was made much more valuable in terms of knowledge if one knew the canon.

  • 07.27.2011 6:07 PM PDT


Posted by: grey101

Posted by: X SWORD PWNER X

Posted by: grey101
The thing is frog and coma that frankie himself clearly said "you won't need to play the old trilogy to get the new one" remember that alright?

I respect you both but everything you have been saying is going off the notion of the old games, if any scrap of covenant or UNSC were to be in that would confuse the newcomers (which i put at 6-7) that will be playing the game for the first time.[/quote]

The Legendary Planet looks Forerunner and most probably is. Everyone assumes so, and there's a high possibility of it being Forerunner. If there were new people introducing themself to the new Trilogy, the Legendary Planet completley destroys the point of "You don't need to play the previous Halo games". If anything, it would confuse new comers to Halo.

I for one would be extremely disapointed if neither UNSC or Covenant do not appear in the new Trilogy because that's what we've grown up with throughout the Halo games.

[/quote]

It Is forerunner seeing how we know of no other race living that could build something like that. not to mention it wouldn't make sense for MB to send chief to his makers yet the planet is anything but forerunner. And you don't need to play the older games to get whats going on far as i can tell.

Halo 4- Chief and cortana wake up drifting to some "unknown" planet.

Halo CE- Chief and cortana are drifting to some unknown ringworld


Same-thing if you want to know more play the last trilogy just like those who wanted to know more read "The Fall of Reach".



Posted by: BlueRuby2k10

Posted by: grey101

Blueruby you are far too late and try to support yourself instead of banking on somebody else[/quote]

I'm just too young, and not mature enough to put up anymore arguments, so why not? Besides, he's saying what I'm trying to say anyway.
Lol, hater tater.
And stop following me everywhere on this forum. [/quote]

I have been in this forum for atleast 4 years, my account has years on yours so you are the one following me.

And i replied to your post forever ago, so goo read that.


I did read it, silly.
I don't see how how many years we've been here matters, or how it tells you that I'm following you, but one thing's sure: I will laugh when you and Deception start hating on the new trilogy when you see Covies and the UNSC roaming the area.


because i have been here longer than you, and i stopped trying to go to the waypoint forums because you were there.

i wouldn't hate the new trilogy because of something like that unless it got in the way of the story. But i am saying it is unlikely and you shouldn't pray for it.


Then why are you so hell-bent on asserting your views in other's faces like you're Fred Phelps?

*For the record, by "following", I mean bashing me by bringing this silly argument up in a completely different thread. Derpity herp.


I am not doing that seeing how i am actually backing my stuff up, and what are you talking about? i posted this yesterday and this is the first time i seen you since you got banned.

I really don't care about you.


If you don't care, then stop harassing me on the forums. I meant the thread where I posted the "offensive" comment in response to you bringing the subject up in the completely irrelevant thread.

[Edited on 07.27.2011 6:13 PM PDT]

  • 07.27.2011 6:11 PM PDT
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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?

I honestly have no idea what you are talking about because you just got un-banned. and you know i made this thread so i am going to check/post in it right? if you don't want to talk to me the stop posting in this thread or go back to the waypoint forums.

  • 07.27.2011 6:24 PM PDT


Posted by: grey101
I honestly have no idea what you are talking about because you just got un-banned. and you know i made this thread so i am going to check/post in it right? if you don't want to talk to me the stop posting in this thread or go back to the waypoint forums.


You are probably the biggest hater on this website. <3

  • 07.27.2011 6:25 PM PDT

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I am hoping we will see Forunners more than Covenant. Unless they are Grunts.. <3 Grunts.

  • 07.27.2011 6:31 PM PDT

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Posted by: BlueRuby2k10

Posted by: grey101
I honestly have no idea what you are talking about because you just got un-banned. and you know i made this thread so i am going to check/post in it right? if you don't want to talk to me the stop posting in this thread or go back to the waypoint forums.


You are probably the biggest hater on this website. <3


That would be deception cobra. Although grey could take the #2 spot lol. Honestly understanding what's going on without playing the previous trilogy just means that they will explain what happened either through cut scenes or dialogue. It does not necessarily mean that nothing from the old trilogy will be in the new games, otherwise neither Cheif nor Cortana wold be in the trilogy. I agree with grey on one point, Covenant and UNSC forces should NOT be in Halo 4. But I do think that MC/C will get back. Alright there's my bit. Hope cobra doesn't come on here and start trying to kill me over the forum.

  • 07.27.2011 6:37 PM PDT