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If cortana dies, Im done with the new trilogy. Its bad enough that they are taking out Covies and UNSC (Covies are understandable since the war is over) But why cant the UNSC be in the game?

The New trilogy shouldnt even be called "Halo"
They should be called "Sweet FPS With Master Chief made by some of Halo's Creators"

Yea, that sounds much better.
Like i sed before, if Cortana dies, my Halo career dies. You cant take out cortana.

Without Cortana, UNSC, or Covenant, Its not Halo IMO

  • 08.07.2011 9:55 AM PDT

Seeing is how Halo 4 is deviating so much from the already known story of Halo and into something completely new I am not sure if this can really even be called Halo. The whole Forerunner-Human relationship really went south when the new book mention that Humanity had once been on the same level as the Forerunners. That just kind of ruined the whole ancient and mysterious look of the Forerunners.

  • 08.07.2011 11:25 AM PDT

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How do we know the legendary planet is foreruner in nature? Could it be a distinctly different race entirely? One that we haven't heard of?

The UNSC will be appearing in Halo 4. How else would there be Human vehicles and weapons scattered upon the levels? (Assuming that there will be levels, weapons and vehicles). I honestly wouldn't be surprised if there was another rogue ship that went through slip space and ended up where the chief is.

The Covenant on the other hand will most likely not appear in Halo 4, but perhaps species that were in the covenant will return later in the series.

  • 08.07.2011 12:13 PM PDT

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So according to the most prominent people in this thread, Frankie said 'No Purple'.

What if the Covies got a paint job?

  • 08.07.2011 12:23 PM PDT

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Posted by: Parachutes vi
How do we know the legendary planet is foreruner in nature? Could it be a distinctly different race entirely? One that we haven't heard of?


It would have to be Forerunner. All precursor technology was destroyed by the Halos activation (Halo: Cryptum proves this). All ancient Human tech (before the Forerunner "devolved" our species) was destroyed. Forerunner tech is the only this possible of creating such a large structure. No other race could have done that.

  • 08.07.2011 12:25 PM PDT

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I would like to make an argument against the theory of Cortana dying.

When "smart" AIs are created, they are done so by mapping the neural network of a human brain. Because this process destroys the brain, it cannot be from a living person, and thus ones from the recently deceased are used. Because the brains have "died," it is stated (in either FS or FoR, I can't remember which one), that the neurons have begun to decay.

Cortana is, however, unique. In was stated (in the same book above) that Halsey cloned her brain, the first thim this was ever done, and used the living brain for the production of Cortana. This was reinforced in her journal in Reach's Legendary edition.

Perhaps that, because Cortana was created from a "complete" human brain, she may surpass the limitations?

  • 08.07.2011 12:30 PM PDT

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra
If 343 includes either faction, I'm done with their new trilogy.

I don't think I'll be done, but I would be disappointed.

  • 08.07.2011 12:33 PM PDT
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Posted by: grey101
The covenant used purple as a color pattern thus any time we saw purple we thought of the covenant, there are also people (most people) that call any of said raves about of it "covenant" instead of their actual names. Thus by him saying "no covenant" he was saying that has a whole without going off an naming each race that was part of it. And we also know by the end of halo 3 that the covenant is disbanded; so the only meaning frankie could have for that is the single races of such "covenant".

So this rests upon the premise that he was using the term "Covenant" as a blanket term to describe all of the races due to everybody thinking in that mindset.

Anyone who has played the first trilogy would realize that the Covenant no longer exists as an organization, and also realizes that it is only the individual races that are left. It is intuitively obvious that the Covenant, and their signature purple, will not be returning as the principle enemies as the collective entity.

Therefore I think it is more likely that Frankie was relying on the minimum intellectual level of the audience to put forward the fact that the Covenant will not be returning as enemies when he used the term "No purple". Given that no one can see this quote anymore, the context will never be known. I find it more likely that he was implying that the Covenant will not be the main antagonists to the Master Chief in this trilogy than anything else.

Posted by: grey101
He then said "you won't need to understand the last trilogy to get this one" so even if the "no purple" were to be ignored (like some people are trying to) this line still stands. If any of the covenant races were to show up then that would be confusing for a new player and they wouldn't get how that ties in to the story being told (neither would i). NOw if they were to show up as an easter egg or something that is a ok. But we have clear confirmations that the "current" story will not be carried over.

If this is true, then this is the reason why Halo is becoming watered down to such measly standards, because nothing ever has to have any background or further depth that is essential to its understanding; nothing ever grows. I don't believe that quote's implications, as you present them, at all. Of course you will need to understand the previous trilogy in order to even fathom what this next one is about.

Who and what is Master Chief and Cortana, and what the hell are they doing floating out in deep Space?

Who are the Forerunners?

What is the Flood, and why is it so dangerous?

What is Halo?

Either we have to be re-told all of these things, which would be incredibly patronizing to the older fans, and waste time and space that could be used for other stuff to be included, or they will not bother and the trilogy will appear as bland and pointless as playing, lets say, Halo wars on its own without any knowledge of anything else in Halo. (Not saying Halo Wars is bad, but if that was the only Halo media you had played then it would be completely meaningless to you)

What I suppose that quote means is that this trilogy is the beginning of a whole new story arc. The last trilogy was about Halo, but now that is finished and we are onto something else now. You won't have to have played the last trilogy in order to connect with this new arc. A similar situation is with Stargate: You do not have to have actually watched seasons 1-8 in order to understand seasons 9 and 10, but the old factions from 1-8 did nevertheless appear.

Trim­ming off entire sub-stories from the previous trilogy would loose the interest of many fans that follow these stories principally, but gain none in return.

Posted by: grey101
2607- a monument to the chief is being built for his service to mankind, he is still MIA (and unless something un-heard of happens cortana is long "dead" by this point")

2610- The monument is completed and chief is still MIA

People do not have to be dead or missing in order for a monument to be built in their honour.

[Edited on 08.07.2011 2:17 PM PDT]

  • 08.07.2011 2:16 PM PDT

I hope the UNSC are in with some simular enemies,weapens and vehicles. on the trailer I saw chief put a silencer on the end of his pistol so i think there might be some weapon achachmentsto mix things up

  • 08.07.2011 2:53 PM PDT

meh...

first off, smart AI live about as long as humans. Secondly, it is possible that the chief has been asleep for over 50 years. He's the captain america of the future

  • 08.07.2011 2:57 PM PDT

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Sorry, I don't believe it. 343 wouldn't be so dumb as to let Master chief and Cortana come back a hundred years later. Besides, in the trailer she was alive and seemed to be quiet well enough to wake Chief up. And another thing, you can't give us a link to which you got this information? Because really, it sounds ridiculous. No one in their right mind would say " -blam!- everything, lets make the chief 147 years old(counting cryo) and lets kill cortana. That's stupid.

Anyone who wants proof that this guy is wrong, watch FRANK O CONNOR sday what halo 4 is. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/43775219#43775219

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  • 08.07.2011 3:28 PM PDT
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What? In reality, Halo: Reach was actual failed experiment. Have you even read my post at all?

See my post above, bub.


Are you an idiot? Reach was a success in about a billion ways, and is bungies ideal halo (as stated in the vidoc)... so shut it


Ummm... Calling me idiot, doesn't going to help your argument, it makes worse for you.

And, yes, I have seem vidoc. The fact is that Bungie is blind in their own ways and it's obvious they would lie because its classic business movie- admitting that they love their own products to generate more profit.

And a billion ways? Oh wow, wrong. WRONG!

Fact is that Reach is FLAWED game. Every video games is ALWAYS flawed. Remember that.

And I already explained Covies... THEY ARE NOT COMING BACK BECAUSE THEY ARE DISSIPATED! DO YOU EVEN KNOW WHAT dissipated means?! It means it's wiped out! Destroyed! Burned out! scattered!

Brutes and Elites are at war, they're busy. Grunts, Drones, hunters, etc are at home or war with those elites or brutes.

And UNSC isn't going to be there either! Know why? BECAUSE IT IS LABELED AS UNKNOWN PLANET. Go look up on dictionary of "unknown" and you'll know why.

  • 08.07.2011 6:17 PM PDT

lets not get in an argument now the elites and brutes are fighting the UNSC may not be there but one thing is for sure the forerunners sworn enemy the Precursors will be the big bad in the new game

  • 08.07.2011 6:22 PM PDT

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Posted by: halo mosj
lets not get in an argument now the elites and brutes are fighting the UNSC may not be there but one thing is for sure the forerunners sworn enemy the Precursors will be the big bad in the new game


I don't know if I believe that.

Most of the crappy attitude that belonged to the Forerunner was political, and we all saw (read) what happened to the Forerunner capital...

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Posted by: halo mosj
lets not get in an argument now the elites and brutes are fighting the UNSC may not be there but one thing is for sure the forerunners sworn enemy the Precursors will be the big bad in the new game


Whoah, no. That's false information you spouted out of your ass.

First thing, Glasslands info confirmed that UNSC is keeping peace treaty with Elites. And, Brutes and Elites are at war because Elites is hell-bent to wiping out Brutes because Brutes screwed up the Elites in days of Covenant, about Halo 2 to 3.

  • 08.07.2011 6:30 PM PDT

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Posted by: Parachutes vi
How do we know the legendary planet is foreruner in nature? Could it be a distinctly different race entirely? One that we haven't heard of?


It would have to be Forerunner. All precursor technology was destroyed by the Halos activation (Halo: Cryptum proves this). All ancient Human tech (before the Forerunner "devolved" our species) was destroyed. Forerunner tech is the only this possible of creating such a large structure. No other race could have done that.


Plus, the planet has the "shield and sword" Glyph on the surface. The design is very clearly Forerunner and Mendicant Bias goes on about how he is using John as his example of atonement for the Forerunners.

  • 08.07.2011 6:30 PM PDT

we'll see...

  • 08.07.2011 7:32 PM PDT
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Posted by: halo mosj
lets not get in an argument now the elites and brutes are fighting the UNSC may not be there but one thing is for sure the forerunners sworn enemy the Precursors will be the big bad in the new game


Whoah, no. That's false information you spouted out of your ass.

First thing, Glasslands info confirmed that UNSC is keeping peace treaty with Elites. And, Brutes and Elites are at war because Elites is hell-bent to wiping out Brutes because Brutes screwed up the Elites in days of Covenant, about Halo 2 to 3.

Since there are no periods or similar forms of punctuation in that sentence, I added my own mentally.
Posted by: halo mosj
Lets not get in an argument now. The elites and brutes are fighting, the UNSC may not be there but one thing is for sure: the Forerunner's sworn enemy, the Precursors, will be the big bad in the new game.

Makes more sense now doesn't it?

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Posted by: raganok99

Posted by: halo mosj
lets not get in an argument now the elites and brutes are fighting the UNSC may not be there but one thing is for sure the forerunners sworn enemy the Precursors will be the big bad in the new game


Whoah, no. That's false information you spouted out of your ass.

First thing, Glasslands info confirmed that UNSC is keeping peace treaty with Elites. And, Brutes and Elites are at war because Elites is hell-bent to wiping out Brutes because Brutes screwed up the Elites in days of Covenant, about Halo 2 to 3.

Since there are no periods or similar forms of punctuation in that sentence, I added my own mentally.
Posted by: halo mosj
Lets not get in an argument now. The elites and brutes are fighting, the UNSC may not be there but one thing is for sure: the Forerunner's sworn enemy, the Precursors, will be the big bad in the new game.

Makes more sense now doesn't it?


Oh you! Indeed so.

Now it makes sense...

I think anybody needs to do proper grammar and spelling so folks understand their posts clearly without misreading.

Anyway, thanks Mach (xd000999)

  • 08.07.2011 7:48 PM PDT

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Posted by: SpecOp518
If cortana dies, Im done with the new trilogy. Its bad enough that they are taking out Covies and UNSC (Covies are understandable since the war is over) But why cant the UNSC be in the game?

The New trilogy shouldnt even be called "Halo"
They should be called "Sweet FPS With Master Chief made by some of Halo's Creators"

Yea, that sounds much better.
Like i sed before, if Cortana dies, my Halo career dies. You cant take out cortana.

Without Cortana, UNSC, or Covenant, Its not Halo IMO


If they do that, then they would probably wait until the end.

  • 08.07.2011 7:56 PM PDT
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Posted by: SpecOp518
If cortana dies, Im done with the new trilogy. Its bad enough that they are taking out Covies and UNSC (Covies are understandable since the war is over) But why cant the UNSC be in the game?

The New trilogy shouldnt even be called "Halo"
They should be called "Sweet FPS With Master Chief made by some of Halo's Creators"

Yea, that sounds much better.
Like i sed before, if Cortana dies, my Halo career dies. You cant take out cortana.

Without Cortana, UNSC, or Covenant, Its not Halo IMO

It still has Halo in the title because it is set in the same universe, to put it simply. And chances are if Cortana is going to "die", it will probably happen near the end of the trilogy.

Back on topic, I think this has potential to be a good thing. Who knows, maybe this new enemy is more fun to fight than the Elites? That and it expands the universe further. Still though, it would be cool if other species from the Covenant made an appearance or were mentioned in some way.

  • 08.07.2011 8:52 PM PDT

Please don't hype for games...
They'll just fall short of your expectations and you'll complain for months.

Great... 9-11 levels of endless waves of flood with forunners as allies.

Either that, or... the forunners are actually evil, precursors are good guys, and we have 9-11 levels fighting forunners with flood comming in later.

  • 08.07.2011 9:32 PM PDT

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Isn't this common knowledge? It's a new threat, and you have no idea where Master Chief is, or how far away from the UNSC territory he is. It's obvious they won't be in it. It'll be interesting to see how they wrap the trilogy up though in Halo 6. I doubt they'll pull another lost in space type thing. It would have to have something significantly significant happen.

  • 08.07.2011 11:01 PM PDT

IMO 343i is in quite the bind...

They can't afford to include either Covenant nor UNSC because of new players joining in the franchise...they can't afford to change the name 'cause people are -blam!-s and they seem to decrease the love towards the franchise 'cause of a simple name-change...and the story is in a tight spot too because we have Master Chief landing on this planet-like place with half a ship and a handful of human ammo,weapons,rations, etc....we also have Cortana(being a major character in the franchise)experiencing dramatic changes that might lead to something the players won't like..

I mean...343i has A LOT on their hands...it won't be easy for them to maintain and please the current players AND bring forward new ones. I'm with them 'till the end of this new trilogy knowing and anticipating some flaws and changes in the story AND characters.

  • 08.07.2011 11:43 PM PDT