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Subject: Does activating one Halo ring automatically activate the remaining 6?

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  • 07.26.2011 2:30 AM PDT

We believe that the universe is unbounded: this is not the same as infinite: the 2-D surface of a sphere, wrapped around a 3rd dimension, has a finite size, but has no end. If you start off in a given direction on the surface of a sphere, you could return to your start point without having to turn around -- you simply go all the way around. But wouldn't that mean the universe has an escape velocity like the earth?

Yes, the 7 Halo rings all activate and harmonise all neurological frequencies and such to eliminate sentient life when the index is entered into one of the Control Rooms and the Firing Sequence is completed. Although thats just my general knowledge, and if iam incorrect, feel free to criticise and justify, considering im much better at character development.

The Ark is also a means to activate the 7 Halo Rings, especially in the event of a stand-by caused by a "false" activation or sudden removal of the index during the firing sequence.

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  • 07.26.2011 2:33 AM PDT
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1) No. In Halo 3, Halo was activated - But didn't cause the others to activate.

2) Yes. The Ark is an installation where the rings can be activated at the same time.

  • 07.26.2011 2:48 AM PDT

We believe that the universe is unbounded: this is not the same as infinite: the 2-D surface of a sphere, wrapped around a 3rd dimension, has a finite size, but has no end. If you start off in a given direction on the surface of a sphere, you could return to your start point without having to turn around -- you simply go all the way around. But wouldn't that mean the universe has an escape velocity like the earth?


Posted by: jross1993
1) No. In Halo 3, Halo was activated - But didn't cause the others to activate.

2) Yes. The Ark is an installation where the rings can be activated at the same time.


Wouldn't that be because Installation 04(II) was outside the galaxy and far from the array, enough so that it couldn't "contact" the other Halo Rings?

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Posted by: jross1993
1) No. In Halo 3, Halo was activated - But didn't cause the others to activate.

2) Yes. The Ark is an installation where the rings can be activated at the same time.


Wouldn't that be because Installation 04(II) was outside the galaxy and far from the array, enough so that it couldn't "contact" the other Halo Rings?

~B2

Not likely.

The Ark could still send a signal to the other Halos from that location. It makes sense that the Halo could too.

  • 07.26.2011 3:14 AM PDT

We believe that the universe is unbounded: this is not the same as infinite: the 2-D surface of a sphere, wrapped around a 3rd dimension, has a finite size, but has no end. If you start off in a given direction on the surface of a sphere, you could return to your start point without having to turn around -- you simply go all the way around. But wouldn't that mean the universe has an escape velocity like the earth?


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Posted by: jross1993
1) No. In Halo 3, Halo was activated - But didn't cause the others to activate.

2) Yes. The Ark is an installation where the rings can be activated at the same time.


Wouldn't that be because Installation 04(II) was outside the galaxy and far from the array, enough so that it couldn't "contact" the other Halo Rings?

~B2

Not likely.

The Ark could still send a signal to the other Halos from that location. It makes sense that the Halo could too.


Not likely, the Ark had its own means, but the Halos had their own frequency most likely. Aka after a ring is activated, a successful activation releases a signal that in turn fires the other rings. Remember the Thing was also incomplete, and therefore may have destructed before a signal could be developed. A stand-by mode can just as easily be a fail-safe. Remember that after Halo 2, the rings were on standby after the failed firing sequence.

~B2

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1) No. In Halo 3, Halo was activated - But didn't cause the others to activate.

2) Yes. The Ark is an installation where the rings can be activated at the same time.


Wouldn't that be because Installation 04(II) was outside the galaxy and far from the array, enough so that it couldn't "contact" the other Halo Rings?

~B2

Not likely.

The Ark could still send a signal to the other Halos from that location. It makes sense that the Halo could too.


Not likely, the Ark had its own means, but the Halos had their own frequency most likely. Aka after a ring is activated, a successful activation releases a signal that in turn fires the other rings. Remember the Thing was also incomplete, and therefore may have destructed before a signal could be developed.

~B2

Doesn't make sense.

Why did Truth go to the Ark, if he could've just activated all the rings from Installation 05?

Why would 343 say the only place to activate all the rings is the Ark?

Why does 343 during Halo CE and 2 put emphasis on Halos range? If they activated each other, the whole galaxy would be wiped clean. Range wouldn't matter.

Why would the Forerunners make it so the Ark could communicate with all the other installations, but not bother to let the Halos communicate with the Ark?

How would the Ark know that there was an unexpected shutdown of installation 05, and prime all the Halos for fire?

I could go on if you want.


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That..is an excellent question...

Installation 4B was fired by itself, but it is an incomplete ring.

It would make sense to simply fire one ring to "purge" a section of the universe, but...

  • 07.26.2011 3:35 AM PDT


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Posted by: jross1993
1) No. In Halo 3, Halo was activated - But didn't cause the others to activate.

2) Yes. The Ark is an installation where the rings can be activated at the same time.


Wouldn't that be because Installation 04(II) was outside the galaxy and far from the array, enough so that it couldn't "contact" the other Halo Rings?

~B2

Not likely.

The Ark could still send a signal to the other Halos from that location. It makes sense that the Halo could too.


Not likely, the Ark had its own means, but the Halos had their own frequency most likely. Aka after a ring is activated, a successful activation releases a signal that in turn fires the other rings. Remember the Thing was also incomplete, and therefore may have destructed before a signal could be developed.

~B2

Doesn't make sense.

Why did Truth go to the Ark, if he could've just activated all the rings from Installation 05?

Why would 343 say the only place to activate all the rings is the Ark?

Why does 343 during Halo CE and 2 put emphasis on Halos range? If they activated each other, the whole galaxy would be wiped clean. Range wouldn't matter.

Why would the Forerunners make it so the Ark could communicate with all the other installations, but not bother to let the Halos communicate with the Ark?

How would the Ark know that there was an unexpected shutdown of installation 05, and prime all the Halos for fire?

I could go on if you want.


Im with this guy.

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  • 07.26.2011 3:36 AM PDT

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Posted by: jross1993
1) No. In Halo 3, Halo was activated - But didn't cause the others to activate.



Because Alpha Halo, while on the Ark, was out of range of all other active installations. If it was activated, it was to far for the signal to reach the remaining Halo´s.

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Posted by: jross1993
1) No. In Halo 3, Halo was activated - But didn't cause the others to activate.



Because Alpha Halo, while on the Ark, was out of range of all other active installations. If it was activated, it was to far for the signal to reach the remaining Halo´s.

Doesn't make sense at all.

Each Halo installation can communicate with the Ark. Since installation 04 was at the Ark, it only makes sense that it could've sent a signal to the other installations.

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Posted by: jross1993
1) No. In Halo 3, Halo was activated - But didn't cause the others to activate.



Because Alpha Halo, while on the Ark, was out of range of all other active installations. If it was activated, it was to far for the signal to reach the remaining Halo´s.

Doesn't make sense at all.

Each Halo installation can communicate with the Ark. Since installation 04 was at the Ark, it only makes sense that it could've sent a signal to the other installations.


i think you are just making up assumptions on how it would work.

In all honestly; the ring wasn't finish/argument

  • 07.26.2011 6:44 AM PDT

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Posted by: HipiO7
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Posted by: jross1993
1) No. In Halo 3, Halo was activated - But didn't cause the others to activate.



Because Alpha Halo, while on the Ark, was out of range of all other active installations. If it was activated, it was to far for the signal to reach the remaining Halo´s.

Doesn't make sense at all.

Each Halo installation can communicate with the Ark. Since installation 04 was at the Ark, it only makes sense that it could've sent a signal to the other installations.


Yes, they each can communicate with the Ark, but I doubt they can communicate through it to the rest of installations.

Halo´s were designed to be inside the galaxy and communicate with each other, not the Ark since it was way to far out range. This new Alpha Halo wasent even finished to begin with, and would have most likely occupied the original Alpha Halo´s position, thus making it able to communicate with the rest of the installations.

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i think you are just making up assumptions on how it would work.

In all honestly; the ring wasn't finish/argument

Thank you for this insightful reply./sarcasm.

Posted by: HipiO7
Yes, they each can communicate with the Ark, but I doubt they can communicate through it to the rest of installations.

Halo´s were designed to be inside the galaxy and communicate with each other, not the Ark since it was way to far out range. This new Alpha Halo wasent even finished to begin with, and would have most likely occupied the original Alpha Halo´s position, thus making it able to communicate with the rest of the installations.

The Halos can communicate to the Ark, from their designated positions throughout the galaxy.
They can also communicate with the other rings - As seen at the end of Halo 2.

If they have the power to communicate with the Ark from within the galaxy, why can't they communicate with the other Halos from outside of it?


I'm just using logic guys. If canon states all the Halos are fired when one is activated, I'm fine with it. Just as long as there is an official explanation.

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  • 07.26.2011 6:57 AM PDT

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Posted by: jross1993
I'm just using logic guys. If canon states all the Halos are fired when one is activated, I'm fine with it. Just as long as there is an official explanation.
You can find your logic within Halo 2 and 3.

Halo 2: Truth tried to activate Installation 05, and only put the others on stand-by after the sudden removal of the index.

Halo 3: Installation 04B was activated, and never did anything (that was mentioned) of the other Rings. And just because it was out of the specific Galaxy, doesn't mean anything.

The Ark is the central place to activate all the rings at once.

  • 07.26.2011 7:24 AM PDT
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"but you already knew that, I mean, how couldn't you?

Only when no Human brick is left atop another, shall we be satisfied with your destruction.

It seems to depend on the 'firing mode' the Array is in at the time.

In Cryptum the Halos are not linked, and can be used in a 'tactical' manner to cleanse solar systems (or presumably larger areas out to 25,000Ly).

in the 'default' state the Forerunner left them in after defeating the Flood they are linked in an array and firing one will set off the entire Array. Guilty Spark states this in Two Betrayals:

Cortana: And that's exactly what Halo is designed to do; wipe the galaxy clean of all sentient life. You don't believe me? Ask him.

(Master Chief turns to 343 Guilty Spark)

MASTER CHIEF:

Is this true?

343 GUILTY SPARK:

(pauses) More or less. Technically, this installation's pulse has a maximum effective radius of twenty-five thousand light years. But, once the others follow suit, this galaxy will be quite devoid of life, or at least any life with sufficient biomass to sustain the flood. (pause) But you already knew that. I mean, how couldn't you?

CORTANA:

Left out that little detail, did he?


Level transcript is here


At the end of Halo 2 however the removal of the Index puts the entire Array into a 'failsafe mode', where it is impossible to fire the Array from any one Halo, control is given to The Ark. Presumably because one has to be absoloutely sure of what they are doing when firing up a superweapon like that, and if you can't make that decision (say, starting it then cutting it off...) then that deciscion is given to someone else who is better able.

Transcript from The Great Journey here.


COMMANDER KEYES (referring to hologram):

What's that?

343 GUILTY SPARK:

A beacon.

COMMANDER KEYES:

What's it doing?

343 GUILTY SPARK:

Communicating at superluminal speeds with a frequency of-

COMMANDER KEYES:

Communicating with what?

343 GUILTY SPARK:

The other installations.

COMMANDER KEYES:

Show me.

The hologram expands to show the seven Halo rings, including the one that the Master Chief destroyed, which is tagged with a red marker.

343 GUILTY SPARK:

Fail-safe protocol: in the event of unexpected shut-down, the entire system will move to standby status. All platforms are now ready for remote activation.

COMMANDER KEYES:

Remote activation? From here?

343 GUILTY SPARK:

Don't be ridiculous.

Johnson gestures at the Monitor.

SGT. JOHNSON:

Listen, tinker-bell, don't make me-

The Commander puts her hand on his shoulder.

COMMANDER KEYES:

Then where? Where would someone go to activate the other rings?

343 GUILTY SPARK:

Why... the Ark, of course.

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It seems to depend on the 'firing mode' the Array is in at the time.

In Cryptum the Halos are not linked, and can be used in a 'tactical' manner to cleanse solar systems (or presumably larger areas out to 25,000Ly).

in the 'default' state the Forerunner left them in after defeating the Flood they are linked in an array and firing one will set off the entire Array. Guilty Spark states this in Two Betrayals:

Cortana: And that's exactly what Halo is designed to do; wipe the galaxy clean of all sentient life. You don't believe me? Ask him.

(Master Chief turns to 343 Guilty Spark)

MASTER CHIEF:

Is this true?

343 GUILTY SPARK:

(pauses) More or less. Technically, this installation's pulse has a maximum effective radius of twenty-five thousand light years. But, once the others follow suit, this galaxy will be quite devoid of life, or at least any life with sufficient biomass to sustain the flood. (pause) But you already knew that. I mean, how couldn't you?

CORTANA:

Left out that little detail, did he?


Level transcript is here


At the end of Halo 2 however the removal of the Index puts the entire Array into a 'failsafe mode', where it is impossible to fire the Array from any one Halo, control is given to The Ark. Presumably because one has to be absoloutely sure of what they are doing when firing up a superweapon like that, and if you can't make that decision (say, starting it then cutting it off...) then that deciscion is given to someone else who is better able.

Transcript from The Great Journey here.


COMMANDER KEYES (referring to hologram):

What's that?

343 GUILTY SPARK:

A beacon.

COMMANDER KEYES:

What's it doing?

343 GUILTY SPARK:

Communicating at superluminal speeds with a frequency of-

COMMANDER KEYES:

Communicating with what?

343 GUILTY SPARK:

The other installations.

COMMANDER KEYES:

Show me.

The hologram expands to show the seven Halo rings, including the one that the Master Chief destroyed, which is tagged with a red marker.

343 GUILTY SPARK:

Fail-safe protocol: in the event of unexpected shut-down, the entire system will move to standby status. All platforms are now ready for remote activation.

COMMANDER KEYES:

Remote activation? From here?

343 GUILTY SPARK:

Don't be ridiculous.

Johnson gestures at the Monitor.

SGT. JOHNSON:

Listen, tinker-bell, don't make me-

The Commander puts her hand on his shoulder.

COMMANDER KEYES:

Then where? Where would someone go to activate the other rings?

343 GUILTY SPARK:

Why... the Ark, of course.

This makes sense. :)

  • 07.26.2011 8:29 AM PDT

No, activating one Halo ring doesn't activate the other ones. That's why we have The Ark from where we can activate all Halo rings at the same time...

  • 07.26.2011 10:39 AM PDT

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I presume nobody has seen Halo: Legends then? In Origins we see a Forerunner activating a Halo which subsequently activated the other 6 across the galaxy.

  • 07.26.2011 10:47 AM PDT

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Further question? why activate all the rings with one ring? if a single system was infected an activation would wipe out that activation which is accaptable? activation all of them from one seems a bad idea, especially if its contained.

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So pretty much one ring does activate all of them.

  • 07.26.2011 11:53 AM PDT


Posted by: RKOSNAKE
I presume nobody has seen Halo: Legends then? In Origins we see a Forerunner activating a Halo which subsequently activated the other 6 across the galaxy.

He activated all Halo rings from the Ark dumbo. If he activated one Halo ring, it wouldn't activate the other ones.

  • 07.26.2011 11:59 AM PDT


Posted by: grey101
So pretty much one ring does activate all of them.

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Posted by: RKOSNAKE
I presume nobody has seen Halo: Legends then? In Origins we see a Forerunner activating a Halo which subsequently activated the other 6 across the galaxy.

He activated all Halo rings from the Ark dumbo. If he activated one Halo ring, it wouldn't activate the other ones.


Can i get a link to where it was stated or implied that was how it happened? Because the only time i am aware of didact being at the ark was in cryptum.

Or are you foolishly implying that because he said MB was going to the ark that he must be there? and from IRIS it seems that didact was killed by the array.

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Posted by: grey101
So pretty much one ring does activate all of them.

nope.avi


It seems like it to me.

If stopping one ring from activating puts the others on standby and you need to go to the ark to activate them. then it seems that if you don't stop the firing the others would follow suit.

[Edited on 07.26.2011 12:04 PM PDT]

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