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Posted by: Mattbluhalofan
And come on, would you really want McDonalds to sell sushi?
I don't think people really want The Flood to completely change, they just wish the decent threads were not so easily drowned out by useless noise. Wanting this isn't unreasonable. Post restrictions are one solution that has been thrown about many times. This would mean that you would need to meet a certain criteria (account age, post count, trust rating; combination of any of the three) to post/create threads in the forum, which seems ideal as it is a place where people go after losing interest in endless [insert IP here] discussion.

[Edited on 07.27.2011 2:17 PM PDT]

  • 07.27.2011 2:14 PM PDT

Posted by: Great_Pretender
Case and point: don't worry about it. Girls start getting boobies pretty soon, and then you'll have plenty of other things to think about. Being an Inheritor is not a life goal.
-TGP-

Posted by: Tom T
The excrement I have the displeasure of cleaning up.

Stop this baiting and general idiocy and get back on topic.

I'm out of things to discuss, so I'll just summarize what everyone's pretty much said.

You're never forced to view any of these forums, if you are, then I suggest trying to escape your captors in the safest manner possible. If you dislike a forum because of the people in it, but like the threads, then simply ignore the obvious troll posts and report them, don't contribute to their feeding.

It's an Off Topic forum on a video game site, don't go there expecting intelligent conversation and good help, and don't get upset when you don't find it.

If you see someone post a shock site, I suggest reporting him and PM'ing a mod for the best results. In order to see the mods that are online use this tool Moderator Finder it's not perfect, but it's better than blindly PM'ing mods.

I've noticed that a lot of Floodians have posted here expressing their discontent about the stereotype that The Flood has drawn to itself, not everyone on The Flood is a troll, most of them are trying to enjoy their time on the internet and not have it spoiled by trolls. These are actually a large majority as far as I have seen.

Comparing The Flood and The Community isn't possible as they serve different purposes. I see a lot of people that frequent The Community forum putting in their two cents in a Flood topic and vice versa, if anything these are the two forums that coexist the best.

Not everyone on The Community forum believes that The Flood should be taken off or "nuked" as it has been taken up to being called, most of us actually believe that its serving it's purpose it's an area for off-topic chat that is necessary if it wasn't there then the forums would be piling up with items that have nothing to do with that forums function.

Posted by:....
You elitist communitards.

Now this is just offensive, it's not helping The Flood's cause, it's like a bad side of town that's trying to show that they're a caring community and right when they started getting noticed as that, a shooting occurs and that's all we hear about from that part of town now, the bad stuff. If you want people to view The Flood as a place that shouldn't be taken away, then try and be constructive in your posts and not insult other people or their opinions.

[Edited on 07.27.2011 2:17 PM PDT]

  • 07.27.2011 2:15 PM PDT

In jedem system der Macht gibt es korruption.

Det vore klokt att tro att det inte finns några undantag.


Posted by: Tom T
Posted by: Mattbluhalofan
And come on, would you really want McDonalds to sell sushi?
I don't think people really want The Flood to completely change, they just wish the decent threads were not so easily drowned out by useless noise. Wanting this isn't unreasonable. Post restrictions are one solution that has been thrown about many times. This would mean that you would need to meet a certain criteria (account age, post count, trust rating; combination of any of the three) to post/create threads in the forum, which seems ideal as it is a place where people go after losing interest in endless [insert IP here] discussion.


That seems like a pretty good fix but would that mean removing regular members? Or is everyone judged based on this trust rating? Either way, I like the idea but surely the problem could be fixed by a stern warning? I know it's a pain to issue them over and over again but the first time round people should get the message that 'Off-Topic' doesn't mean troll carnival. I am aware you have more than likely done this before, I'm just wondering is all :)

  • 07.27.2011 2:22 PM PDT
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‘The conscious is cancerous if allowed to linger’

"Even if you're on the right track, you'll get run over if you just sit there."

Posted by: UnderTheKnif3
I think of The Flood like a containment forum for all the assyness here on bnet. Some of it does spill over into other forums, but I'm not that concerned with a little piss on the toilet bowl seat.
This is probably the biggest hurdle for any real changes. However, you start adding restrictions and the forum dynamics will change. The easiest way to be noticed is no longer just hitting 'create new thread'; it is being quoted. To get quoted the user needs to invest a greater level of thought, either by adding something to the discussion, saying something humorous, or injecting some controvercy. The result is a better discussion environment that isn't in need of any designated cesspits.

[Edited on 07.27.2011 2:26 PM PDT]

  • 07.27.2011 2:24 PM PDT

In jedem system der Macht gibt es korruption.

Det vore klokt att tro att det inte finns några undantag.


Posted by: Xplode441
Posted by: Tom T
The excrement I have the displeasure of cleaning up.

Stop this baiting and general idiocy and get back on topic.

I'm out of things to discuss, so I'll just summarize what everyone's pretty much said.

You're never forced to view any of these forums, if you are, then I suggest trying to escape your captors in the safest manner possible. If you dislike a forum because of the people in it, but like the threads, then simply ignore the obvious troll posts and report them, don't contribute to their feeding.

It's an Off Topic forum on a video game site, don't go there expecting intelligent conversation and good help, and don't get upset when you don't find it.

If you see someone post a shock site, I suggest reporting him and PM'ing a mod for the best results. In order to see the mods that are online use this tool Moderator Finder it's not perfect, but it's better than blindly PM'ing mods.

I've noticed that a lot of Floodians have posted here expressing their discontent about the stereotype that The Flood has drawn to itself, not everyone on The Flood is a troll, most of them are trying to enjoy their time on the internet and not have it spoiled by trolls. These are actually a large majority as far as I have seen.

Comparing The Flood and The Community isn't possible as they serve different purposes. I see a lot of people that frequent The Community forum putting in their two cents in a Flood topic and vice versa, if anything these are the two forums that coexist the best.

Not everyone on The Community forum believes that The Flood should be taken off or "nuked" as it has been taken up to being called, most of us actually believe that its serving it's purpose it's an area for off-topic chat that is necessary if it wasn't there then the forums would be piling up with items that have nothing to do with that forums function.

Posted by:....
You elitist communitards.

Now this is just offensive, it's not helping The Flood's cause, it's like a bad side of town that's trying to show that they're a caring community and right when they started getting noticed as that, a shooting occurs and that's all we hear about from that part of town now, the bad stuff. If you want people to view The Flood as a place that shouldn't be taken away, then try and be constructive in your posts and not insult other people or their opinions.


PM'ing the mods would be something I would do but imagine how annoying it will get having people report the same Forum over and over. I've done it I think once, no more for fear of irritating said Mod/Ninja with my constant complaints. Instead if something is inappropriate all we can do is report the post/thread.

  • 07.27.2011 2:25 PM PDT
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I love the flood. Maybe you're to light hearted for it. Cry more.

  • 07.27.2011 2:26 PM PDT

Hi I'm RT and I like to argue!


Posted by: AllusedUp
I love the flood. Maybe you're to light hearted for it. Cry more.
I don't think that "light-hearted" is the term you wanted . . . maybe "thin-skinned".

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‘The conscious is cancerous if allowed to linger’

"Even if you're on the right track, you'll get run over if you just sit there."

Posted by: RighteousTyrant
Posted by: AllusedUp
I love the flood. Maybe you're to light hearted for it. Cry more.
I don't think that "light-hearted" is the term you wanted . . . maybe "thin-skinned".
Would you be against my appeal to Achronos to give you the forum title of grammar -blam!-?

  • 07.27.2011 2:32 PM PDT
Subject: The flood... [LOCK]

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Posted by: Tom T
Posted by: RighteousTyrant
Posted by: AllusedUp
I love the flood. Maybe you're to light hearted for it. Cry more.
I don't think that "light-hearted" is the term you wanted . . . maybe "thin-skinned".
Would you be against my appeal to Achronos to give you the forum title of grammar -blam!-?

Sounds fun, if only everybody could get their own title, or just be awarded for some ridiculous things :P
edit: maybe i should get back on topic, it is my post :|

[Edited on 07.27.2011 2:37 PM PDT]

  • 07.27.2011 2:36 PM PDT

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We aren't here to ruin your experience (Well Qbix is).

Why was the thread edited with [Lock]? :\

  • 07.27.2011 2:47 PM PDT

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Swear to God. I hate it when OPs think they know when their thread should be locked.

Leave that up to the Moderators.

When you ask a question and it gets answered, or if you've opened up a discussion and your original question gets answered, or if you get embarrassed...for the love of all that is Bnet...DON'T ask for the thread to be locked in the title.

It's rude, assumptive and it makes the forums look messy.

  • 07.27.2011 2:47 PM PDT
Subject: The flood...

For Carnage Apply Within - We played Marathon before Marathon was cool!

Keep it authentic...


Posted by: Achronos
Don't go there then?

Posted by: Tired racoon
Well, here we are, i'm not sure about any of you, but i'm sick of the flood forum,
lol

  • 07.27.2011 2:48 PM PDT
Subject: The flood... [LOCK]

"I don't care if it's God's own anti-Son of a -blam!- Machine or a giant hula-hoop!"

Posted by: Tom T
Posted by: Mattbluhalofan
And come on, would you really want McDonalds to sell sushi?
I don't think people really want The Flood to completely change, they just wish the decent threads were not so easily drowned out by useless noise. Wanting this isn't unreasonable. Post restrictions are one solution that has been thrown about many times. This would mean that you would need to meet a certain criteria (account age, post count, trust rating; combination of any of the three) to post/create threads in the forum, which seems ideal as it is a place where people go after losing interest in endless [insert IP here] discussion.

I don't think you idea would work, unfortunately. If new members actually had a valid question to ask, I could see them becoming a bit upset if they are told they need to wait to start a thread. And then, they might become desperate and try to hijack threads in order to be heard. It could be chaos, but then again it could work perfectly, who am I to say?

  • 07.27.2011 2:49 PM PDT

Love you Damon Albarn, Bungie FTW
The Satanic Church is where i belong


Posted by: SonicJohn
... [LOCK]

Swear to God. I hate it when OPs think they know when their thread should be locked.

Leave that up to the Moderators.

When you ask a question and it gets answered, or if you've opened up a discussion and your original question gets answered, or if you get embarrassed...for the love of all that is Bnet...DON'T ask for the thread to be locked in the title.

It's rude, assumptive and it makes the forums look messy.

Yeah Tom T said some stuff about that, he explained that its uuup to him, i will get rid of it now, read it all before posting.

  • 07.27.2011 2:50 PM PDT

Love you Damon Albarn, Bungie FTW
The Satanic Church is where i belong

Looks like Tom beat me to it :P

  • 07.27.2011 2:51 PM PDT

In jedem system der Macht gibt es korruption.

Det vore klokt att tro att det inte finns några undantag.


Posted by: squeak52
Posted by: Tom T
Posted by: Mattbluhalofan
And come on, would you really want McDonalds to sell sushi?
I don't think people really want The Flood to completely change, they just wish the decent threads were not so easily drowned out by useless noise. Wanting this isn't unreasonable. Post restrictions are one solution that has been thrown about many times. This would mean that you would need to meet a certain criteria (account age, post count, trust rating; combination of any of the three) to post/create threads in the forum, which seems ideal as it is a place where people go after losing interest in endless [insert IP here] discussion.

I don't think you idea would work, unfortunately. If new members actually had a valid question to ask, I could see them becoming a bit upset if they are told they need to wait to start a thread. And then, they might become desperate and try to hijack threads in order to be heard. It could be chaos, but then again it could work perfectly, who am I to say?


They would be able to view The Flood obviously, so they could search for possible answers to their questions. I have a feeling if the rest of The Flood hear about the idea though they will go berserk, though some of the older members will support it greatly.

  • 07.27.2011 2:52 PM PDT

If this is the state of my art, then I secede.


Posted by: Tom T
This is probably the biggest hurdle for any real changes. However, you start adding restrictions and the forum dynamics will change. The easiest way to be noticed is no longer just hitting 'create new thread'; it is being quoted. To get quoted the user needs to invest a greater level of thought, either by adding something to the discussion, saying something humorous, or injecting some controvercy. The result is a better discussion environment that isn't in need of any designated cesspits.
To elaborate on that, there needs to be some kind of "reward" for being quoted. Whether that be shown through member titles, prefixes, or what have you. It would raise good discussion, and add some sorts of humor. It would work very similarly to the proposed "like button" but with a very large difference. You would have to post elaborating on whatever you felt necessary. It goes without saying that there are many holes to this proposed fix. People could "quote boost", people could quote themselves, etc.

This "fix" is in a very rough draft, and it needs much more backing but I think it's a step in the right direction.

  • 07.27.2011 2:54 PM PDT

"I don't care if it's God's own anti-Son of a -blam!- Machine or a giant hula-hoop!"

Posted by: Wilky95
They would be able to view The Flood obviously, so they could search for possible answers to their questions. I have a feeling if the rest of The Flood hear about the idea though they will go berserk, though some of the older members will support it greatly.

Well, I don't think it would make any sense if they couldn't start a thread in the Flood, but they could in the other forums. (If that's what indeed you are saying.) If they can't post in the Flood, the spammers/trolls will just move out to the other forums.

Also, people don't, or shouldn't, go to the Flood if they have real questions to be answered. You might get 1 or 2 'real' answers, but it's like finding a needle in a haystack.

  • 07.27.2011 2:57 PM PDT

In jedem system der Macht gibt es korruption.

Det vore klokt att tro att det inte finns några undantag.


Posted by: squeak52
Posted by: Wilky95
They would be able to view The Flood obviously, so they could search for possible answers to their questions. I have a feeling if the rest of The Flood hear about the idea though they will go berserk, though some of the older members will support it greatly.

Well, I don't think it would make any sense if they couldn't start a thread in the Flood, but they could in the other forums. (If that's what indeed you are saying.) If they can't post in the Flood, the spammers/trolls will just move out to the other forums.

Also, people don't, or shouldn't, go to the Flood if they have real questions to be answered. You might get 1 or 2 'real' answers, but it's like finding a needle in a haystack.


Let's just say a system has yet to be perfected, I agree with what you're saying but there are I suppose only a few options if the Mods want results.

Behind closed doors, they are masterminding a plan as we speak these very words...

  • 07.27.2011 3:00 PM PDT

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Posted by: Tom T
Posted by: Mattbluhalofan
And come on, would you really want McDonalds to sell sushi?
I don't think people really want The Flood to completely change, they just wish the decent threads were not so easily drowned out by useless noise. Wanting this isn't unreasonable. Post restrictions are one solution that has been thrown about many times. This would mean that you would need to meet a certain criteria (account age, post count, trust rating; combination of any of the three) to post/create threads in the forum, which seems ideal as it is a place where people go after losing interest in endless [insert IP here] discussion.


Then... isn't this debate really moot? I suppose I'm at something of a loss because I lack the specific context under which this complaint was voiced, but it seems hardly any different from the thousands of other complaints about the Flood that have been voiced over the years. Yes, it's annoying when worthwhile threads get drowned out by threads solely devoted to a meme, funny video or joke or what have you, but what is there to do about it? Just lock the unnecessary threads and ignore the trolls.

And isn't that what is generally done? Gahh, why is this an issue?

  • 07.27.2011 3:00 PM PDT
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Posted by: UnderTheKnif3
Posted by: Tom T
This is probably the biggest hurdle for any real changes. However, you start adding restrictions and the forum dynamics will change. The easiest way to be noticed is no longer just hitting 'create new thread'; it is being quoted. To get quoted the user needs to invest a greater level of thought, either by adding something to the discussion, saying something humorous, or injecting some controvercy. The result is a better discussion environment that isn't in need of any designated cesspits.
To elaborate on that, there needs to be some kind of "reward" for being quoted. Whether that be shown through member titles, prefixes, or what have you. It would raise good discussion, and add some sorts of humor. It would work very similarly to the proposed "like button" but with a very large difference. You would have to post elaborating on whatever you felt necessary. It goes without saying that there are many holes to this proposed fix. People could "quote boost", people could quote themselves, etc.

This "fix" is in a very rough draft, and it needs much more backing but I think it's a step in the right direction.
I'm not saying I agree, but this is an interesting idea. I have always been against likes because they would almost turn a discussion into a popularity contest, as people would substantiate their pov with a numerical representation of value, rather than using/balancing logic. A quote style system is a lot more neutral, in that it only indicates discussion - which is what is important.

  • 07.27.2011 3:03 PM PDT
Subject: The flood...

"I don't care if it's God's own anti-Son of a -blam!- Machine or a giant hula-hoop!"

Posted by: Tom T
I'm not saying I agree, but this is an interesting idea. I have always been against likes because they would almost turn a discussion into a popularity contest, as people would substantiate their pov with a numerical representation of value, rather than using/balancing logic. A quote style system is a lot more neutral, in that it only indicates discussion - which is what is important.

This 'quote system' should be hidden from other users, if created at all. Similar to the 'trust system' used for member ranks. If users could see how many times they've been quoted they could easily find this as a false sense of authority. People who make non-discussion oriented replies in the Flood (a vast majority) are quoted in great number. Most of the time, the person who quotes it does not even type a response, merely they just find the post amusing and quote it for them self. This is no different than a 'like.'

A possible fix to this is: A quote would only count towards the quote system, if someone actually replies. You could also throw a few exceptions in there. For example it would not be accepted by the system if the person simply types, "This." If someone quotes something and types 'this' or just quotes something, nothing has been added to the discussion and in most cases just causes a thread to become cluttered.

[Edited on 07.28.2011 10:31 AM PDT]

  • 07.27.2011 3:27 PM PDT
Subject: The flood... [LOCK]

I love The Flood, it's my favorite forum on this site. If it wasn't for The Flood I wouldn't even come here anymore. The trolls, spammers, and junk threads that get posted there are as just as important to The Flood as air is to humans. You can't just take it away.

  • 07.27.2011 3:52 PM PDT

I am alpha, i am omega.

I am the last of the primes.

Community fourm is jelly of the flood.

  • 07.27.2011 4:03 PM PDT

"The Moving Finger writes; and, having writ,
Moves on: nor all thy Piety nor Wit,
Shall lure it back to cancel half a Line,
Nor all thy Tears wash out a Word of it."
-Omar Khayyám-

I agree with Tom T, we wish there weren't any trolls but there will always be trolls. The best we can do is either ignore them, or just not visit the flood. Like Imperial Overlord Envictus: Achronos said "Don't go there." I say we heed our lord's sage advice if The Flood forum is really bothering us that much.

  • 07.27.2011 4:06 PM PDT