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Subject: Just a question about what happened in Reach

On the level ONI: Sword Base the Covenant corvette is destroyed by an orbital platform MAC round. So clearly the MAC stations can fire towards the planet. If the MAC guns were able to achieve this, why wasn't any platform used against the Covenant Supercarrier Long Night of Solace?

  • 07.27.2011 6:44 AM PDT
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I doubt you can cover the area around a planet with 20 ODPs.

And there is always a possiblity that the carrier is out of rage of the ODPs, which is the most likely reason.

  • 07.27.2011 7:00 AM PDT

It was never said MAC stations couldn't fire toward the planet.

Just that the super-macs on full power would cause MASSIVE damage to the planet and area.

  • 07.27.2011 7:09 AM PDT

I Guess you're right about maybe a ship shooting the enemy rather then an Obrital Platform. Just seemed likely because it shot straight down and not on any angle.
However seems likely that they would be out of range because there are only 20 of them. Thanks for the help.

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It was never said MAC stations couldn't fire toward the planet.

Just that the super-macs on full power would cause MASSIVE damage to the planet and area.


That still doesn't make sense because if it wasn't powered enough then it wouldn't get through the atmosphere let alone it the target.

Then if the power hit a certain height it would shatter in the air which would cause a blast miles around.


Don't tell me you are implying that the MAC on sword was was a SMAC, because it just couldn't be. not to mention the ignorance of having a SMAC aim at the planet for a small shield-less corvette.

[Edited on 07.27.2011 7:14 AM PDT]

  • 07.27.2011 7:14 AM PDT

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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
It was never said MAC stations couldn't fire toward the planet.

Just that the super-macs on full power would cause MASSIVE damage to the planet and area.


That still doesn't make sense because if it wasn't powered enough then it wouldn't get through the atmosphere let alone it the target.

Then if the power hit a certain height it would shatter in the air which would cause a blast miles around.


Don't tell me you are implying that the MAC on sword was was a SMAC, because it just couldn't be. not to mention the ignorance of having a SMAC aim at the planet for a small shield-less corvette.
Honestly, to me both the Corvette-killer at the end of Sword Base and the shots from the Target Locator remind me of the upgraded MAC blasts in Halo Wars. That seems to suggest that it's a bunch of low-power shots from a ship in orbit, not even a full-sized round, let alone a SMAC.

As for not taking on the LNoS with the ODPs, it's possible, if not probable, that the supercarrier destroyed all the orbital defenses in the area it was in, explaining all the wreckage near it. Not just the shipyards in orbit, but the debris field you see in the distance.

  • 07.27.2011 7:26 AM PDT
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Wouldn't it have made more sense for the Long Swords to just fire Archer Missiles at the engines. That way, you have the possibility of survivors that can tell you whats up.

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Wouldn't it have made more sense for the Long Swords to just fire Archer Missiles at the engines. That way, you have the possibility of survivors that can tell you whats up.
At the Corvette? Since when have Covenant ever surrendered anything to the UNSC, information or otherwise?

  • 07.27.2011 7:37 AM PDT

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Posted by: Onyx81
Wouldn't it have made more sense for the Long Swords to just fire Archer Missiles at the engines. That way, you have the possibility of survivors that can tell you whats up.
At the Corvette? Since when have Covenant ever surrendered anything to the UNSC, information or otherwise?


Then deploy a Spartan team to take control by force. Capture the enemy ship and learn "what's up" that way. In fact not even a spartan team is neccesary, just gas it/radiate it.
To point, irradiation is too slow, and while I agree with your overall intent, I don't think it was ONI's top priority during the invasion, nor was it particularly economical. At that point during the war, the UNSC had very little in the way of ability to crack or translate Covenant systems, and it was moving away fast. They didn't have time to coordinate a special weapon logistics op like that.

Also, Longswords can't carry Archer missiles. The missiles aren't designed for in-atmosphere use.

  • 07.27.2011 8:13 AM PDT

The UNSC has learned 'whats up' before. Early in the war Cole captured an elite that spoke a little bit of english I believe or they had a translater. He found out that the Covenant knew little about Humanity and so he made the Cole Proticol so Covenant wouldn't find human planets. So they can learn 'whats up' after all.

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Posted by: Onyx81
Wouldn't it have made more sense for the Long Swords to just fire Archer Missiles at the engines. That way, you have the possibility of survivors that can tell you whats up.
At the Corvette? Since when have Covenant ever surrendered anything to the UNSC, information or otherwise?


Then deploy a Spartan team to take control by force. Capture the enemy ship and learn "what's up" that way. In fact not even a spartan team is neccesary, just gas it/radiate it.
To point, irradiation is too slow, and while I agree with your overall intent, I don't think it was ONI's top priority during the invasion, nor was it particularly economical. At that point during the war, the UNSC had very little in the way of ability to crack or translate Covenant systems, and it was moving away fast. They didn't have time to coordinate a special weapon logistics op like that.

Also, Longswords can't carry Archer missiles. The missiles aren't designed for in-atmosphere use.


I believe they might have been used on innies back in the day. When onxy started to wake up kurt thought it was an archer missile that hit the planet.

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Posted by: Onyx81
Wouldn't it have made more sense for the Long Swords to just fire Archer Missiles at the engines. That way, you have the possibility of survivors that can tell you whats up.
At the Corvette? Since when have Covenant ever surrendered anything to the UNSC, information or otherwise?


Then deploy a Spartan team to take control by force. Capture the enemy ship and learn "what's up" that way. In fact not even a spartan team is neccesary, just gas it/radiate it.
To point, irradiation is too slow, and while I agree with your overall intent, I don't think it was ONI's top priority during the invasion, nor was it particularly economical. At that point during the war, the UNSC had very little in the way of ability to crack or translate Covenant systems, and it was moving away fast. They didn't have time to coordinate a special weapon logistics op like that.

Also, Longswords can't carry Archer missiles. The missiles aren't designed for in-atmosphere use.


I believe they might have been used on innies back in the day. When onxy started to wake up kurt thought it was an archer missile that hit the planet.
If I recall correctly, all that GoO said was that Kurt wondered if it was a "four-forty" artillery round. I don't think it mentioned an Archer anywhere.

[Edited on 07.27.2011 9:47 PM PDT]

  • 07.27.2011 9:45 PM PDT