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Posted by: Slaskia
I would like to think as so as well...but why do I get the feeling this is going to make us hate ONI even more? (at least Sangheili fanatics like me...)

Indeed. I'm not sure how the story will develop to be honest, it is too early to tell. Although I never pictured Humanity doing something as stupid as this.

Posted by: Slaskia
Oh, I forgot about those guys *been too long since she read the book*. And yet in ODST it sounded like Virgil was the first one they got their hands on. A case of 'left hand not knowing what the right hand is doing' perhaps?

Maybe. ONI doing its own thing; it would not be the first time.

  • 07.27.2011 8:49 PM PDT

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Im somewhat surprised with Mendez but then again we really haven't learn much of him.

  • 07.27.2011 8:56 PM PDT


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Posted by: Slaskia
Oh, I forgot about those guys *been too long since she read the book*. And yet in ODST it sounded like Virgil was the first one they got their hands on. A case of 'left hand not knowing what the right hand is doing' perhaps?

Maybe. ONI doing its own thing; it would not be the first time.


More like factions/sections within ONI doing their own thing....

  • 07.27.2011 9:05 PM PDT

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Thanks for posting this.

Can't wait for the novel.

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If you had just barely managed to survive the costliest war in human history, coming out alive along with a species of technologically advanced aliens who butchered your own species, I think you'd want to keep them disorganized too.

  • 07.28.2011 12:55 AM PDT

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Posted by: SubjectNameHere
If you had just barely managed to survive the costliest war in human history, coming out alive along with a species of technologically advanced aliens who butchered your own species, I think you'd want to keep them disorganized too.



Exactly. You sure as hell wouldn't want them organized to attack you to finish off your recovering forces.

Not that I don't love Sangheili, but if I was ONI, I'd be doing Ops like crazy to keep them divided and confused as long as I could. Especially if they're not too fond of peace treaties.

  • 07.28.2011 2:56 AM PDT
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"but you already knew that, I mean, how couldn't you?

Only when no Human brick is left atop another, shall we be satisfied with your destruction.

Great. :(

So the ODST are going to become the new mandalorians, the Sangheili are going to be marginalised and caricatured as a bunch of ignorant peasants, fighting amongst themselves for teh lulzzorz... Halsey is going to be demonised, the spartans and Mendes are going to have a major character derailment "just because hating halsey adds drama" (seriously, both the spartans and Mendes have previously all been in favour of halsey's actions, it's Halsey herself that has doubts). Oni is going to be acting all pointlessly dickish for the sake of it (at least that is vaguely canon) and screwing over mankinds best hope at an alliance with somebody useful....

Dammit Traviss, why must you mess with everything I like?
Is it not enough that you lobotomised the clones and jedi throughout several star wars books?
But no, now Halo is going to be battered even further with the Idiot Stick....

:(

  • 07.28.2011 4:30 AM PDT
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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?

I honestly love how the engineers are playing a big role post-war and i am kinda glad i was right about that.

I always wondered what would happen to them since it was the engineers that kept the covenant running despite what people think.

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Posted by: SubjectNameHere
If you had just barely managed to survive the costliest war in human history, coming out alive along with a species of technologically advanced aliens who butchered your own species, I think you'd want to keep them disorganized too.



Exactly. You sure as hell wouldn't want them organized to attack you to finish off your recovering forces.

Not that I don't love Sangheili, but if I was ONI, I'd be doing Ops like crazy to keep them divided and confused as long as I could. Especially if they're not too fond of peace treaties.



The only issue with that is the fact the elites honestly don't need anymore "crap" and anybody that knows elites knows they aren't stupid.


post-war the elites are dealing with the fact they have been blind for what atleast 3,000 years, so are they really going to gang up and finish the humans? no they are not (you know this to knight).

The elites are going to hunt down what they can of the covenant, then they are going to be forced to deal with the social and religious issues they are having. The fact that a human can even GET to sanghelios clearly shows humans are the last thing they are worried about.



I feel ONI is being stupid, the only time i can see them "fighting" is over forerunner tech which includes engineers.

Which they all need to be careful about because if they screw around they might kill them all.

[Edited on 07.28.2011 5:01 AM PDT]

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"Time was your ally human. But now it has abandoned you. The Forerunners....have returned. And this tomb... is now yours". - The Didact

I wonder if team Katana will be revived out of those slipspace pods.

  • 07.28.2011 5:41 AM PDT


Posted by: Fin5434p
Great. :(

So the ODST are going to become the new mandalorians, the Sangheili are going to be marginalised and caricatured as a bunch of ignorant peasants, fighting amongst themselves for teh lulzzorz... Halsey is going to be demonised, the spartans and Mendes are going to have a major character derailment "just because hating halsey adds drama" (seriously, both the spartans and Mendes have previously all been in favour of halsey's actions, it's Halsey herself that has doubts). Oni is going to be acting all pointlessly dickish for the sake of it (at least that is vaguely canon) and screwing over mankinds best hope at an alliance with somebody useful....

Dammit Traviss, why must you mess with everything I like?
Is it not enough that you lobotomised the clones and jedi throughout several star wars books?
But no, now Halo is going to be battered even further with the Idiot Stick....

:(


How could you NOT like the Mandalorians in the books? Or are you one of those George Lucas fanboys who hates her because Lucas said "no" and kicked her out?

In fact, no indicator of the ODST's being anything like the Mandos was given, Mendez was always hinted at not liking his job anyway (EG: he's still human), the Elites ALWAYS fought each other, ONI's just playing off of that. Nothing she said comes as too large a surprise, really.

[Edited on 07.28.2011 9:10 AM PDT]

  • 07.28.2011 9:07 AM PDT

IIRC, Mendez respected Halsey. I don't remember anything hinting he didn't like Halsey or his job.

In seriousness though, it does sound like a lot of hate toward Halsey :/.

Edit: I get the feeling this book will end up trying to make us see ONI as this evil, sinister faction of the UNSC... Which in reality, is not.

[Edited on 07.28.2011 9:43 AM PDT]

  • 07.28.2011 9:23 AM PDT

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Posted by: Fin5434p
Great. :(

So the ODST are going to become the new mandalorians, the Sangheili are going to be marginalised and caricatured as a bunch of ignorant peasants, fighting amongst themselves for teh lulzzorz... Halsey is going to be demonised, the spartans and Mendes are going to have a major character derailment "just because hating halsey adds drama" (seriously, both the spartans and Mendes have previously all been in favour of halsey's actions, it's Halsey herself that has doubts). Oni is going to be acting all pointlessly dickish for the sake of it (at least that is vaguely canon) and screwing over mankinds best hope at an alliance with somebody useful....

Dammit Traviss, why must you mess with everything I like?
Is it not enough that you lobotomised the clones and jedi throughout several star wars books?
But no, now Halo is going to be battered even further with the Idiot Stick....

:(


This is so true...and if you haven't watched the Comic-Con Halo Panel 2010 video, I suggest you do that and you'll understand how true it is. I was bored last night browsing Halo Waypoint and watching random videos and came across the Halo Panel one... Greg Bear is there, along with Karen Traviss and they discuss their books a little and what motivates them to write... Karen Travis is ALL ABOUT drama and conflict within characters. She talks about how she doesn't like to write about characters that are normal, she likes the problem-characters, and this new info on the book sounds like she's created a lot of pointless drama.

What's funny is that she talks about how she doesn't like to write about things if she knows everything about it. She likes to write stories without being an expert on the subject because she feels it brings a "fresh" feeling to the book. Then immediately after, Peter David, who was in charge of the Halo comics, gave a lengthy explanation about how you DO need to study the entire Halo universe before attempting any new projects because if you don't, the fans that know the subject better than you will be sure to let you know about the mistakes you made.

I thought that was funny...how Karen likes not knowing about the topic before writing, and then Peter mentions how you shouldn't start a Halo project before becoming an expert on the books, the games, everything.

Anyway...

  • 07.28.2011 11:20 AM PDT

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Still seems so unclear

Posted by: grey101
The elites are going to hunt down what they can of the covenant, then they are going to be forced to deal with the social and religious issues they are having. The fact that a human can even GET to sanghelios clearly shows humans are the last thing they are worried about.


True. But in ONI's mind, they're thinking: "After they get done with the Covenant, what are they going to do next?" They're warriors. They'll want a fight. (i.e. The Return: When they were finishing off the Brutes, but the Shipmaster still needed to find them another purpose because their culture is dying.) Sangheili live for the battlefield, it's really difficult to switch back to a normal existence after that, they have no more purpose. ONI is probably just being safe rather than sorry is all I meant. The Sangheili respect humans for their determination and with Thel as Arbiter, I doubt they'll just declare war. But you never know, a few Shipmasters might decide of their own that what they need is a war.

  • 07.28.2011 11:59 AM PDT


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Posted by: Fin5434p
Great. :(

So the ODST are going to become the new mandalorians, the Sangheili are going to be marginalised and caricatured as a bunch of ignorant peasants, fighting amongst themselves for teh lulzzorz... Halsey is going to be demonised, the spartans and Mendes are going to have a major character derailment "just because hating halsey adds drama" (seriously, both the spartans and Mendes have previously all been in favour of halsey's actions, it's Halsey herself that has doubts). Oni is going to be acting all pointlessly dickish for the sake of it (at least that is vaguely canon) and screwing over mankinds best hope at an alliance with somebody useful....

Dammit Traviss, why must you mess with everything I like?
Is it not enough that you lobotomised the clones and jedi throughout several star wars books?
But no, now Halo is going to be battered even further with the Idiot Stick....

:(


This is so true...and if you haven't watched the Comic-Con Halo Panel 2010 video, I suggest you do that and you'll understand how true it is. I was bored last night browsing Halo Waypoint and watching random videos and came across the Halo Panel one... Greg Bear is there, along with Karen Traviss and they discuss their books a little and what motivates them to write... Karen Travis is ALL ABOUT drama and conflict within characters. She talks about how she doesn't like to write about characters that are normal, she likes the problem-characters, and this new info on the book sounds like she's created a lot of pointless drama.

What's funny is that she talks about how she doesn't like to write about things if she knows everything about it. She likes to write stories without being an expert on the subject because she feels it brings a "fresh" feeling to the book. Then immediately after, Peter David, who was in charge of the Halo comics, gave a lengthy explanation about how you DO need to study the entire Halo universe before attempting any new projects because if you don't, the fans that know the subject better than you will be sure to let you know about the mistakes you made.

I thought that was funny...how Karen likes not knowing about the topic before writing, and then Peter mentions how you shouldn't start a Halo project before becoming an expert on the books, the games, everything.

Anyway...


So we're just supposed to ignore the fact that these people have had some serious -blam!- happen to them and expect them fully to be completely badass all the time.

Right.......

Look, I've read all of her Gears of War books. She stays expertly true to all of the characters involved. If she was melodramatic, I would hate her for it, but as it is, she NEVER goes overboard with the drama, she merely analyzes the characters and asks herself "what would this person do or how would he/she react to this scenario" and then does it.

I've rarely seen an author who can create characters so complex yet true to their universe. Perhaps you've never read any of her books, but if you have, and you still say that she's overly dramatic, then its clear the only thing you're interested in is the action.

[Edited on 07.28.2011 12:06 PM PDT]

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?


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Posted by: grey101
The elites are going to hunt down what they can of the covenant, then they are going to be forced to deal with the social and religious issues they are having. The fact that a human can even GET to sanghelios clearly shows humans are the last thing they are worried about.


True. But in ONI's mind, they're thinking: "After they get done with the Covenant, what are they going to do next?" They're warriors. They'll want a fight. (i.e. The Return: When they were finishing off the Brutes, but the Shipmaster still needed to find them another purpose because their culture is dying.) Sangheili live for the battlefield, it's really difficult to switch back to a normal existence after that, they have no more purpose. ONI is probably just being safe rather than sorry is all I meant. The Sangheili respect humans for their determination and with Thel as Arbiter, I doubt they'll just declare war. But you never know, a few Shipmasters might decide of their own that what they need is a war.


It is just making me..."off". I feel that the social problems they are having would prohibit them from fighting, not to mention the UNSC can still build ships where the elites can't.


The war would be stupid on their part. for some reason i am starting to think about krogans...

  • 07.28.2011 12:17 PM PDT


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Posted by: grey101
The elites are going to hunt down what they can of the covenant, then they are going to be forced to deal with the social and religious issues they are having. The fact that a human can even GET to sanghelios clearly shows humans are the last thing they are worried about.


True. But in ONI's mind, they're thinking: "After they get done with the Covenant, what are they going to do next?" They're warriors. They'll want a fight. (i.e. The Return: When they were finishing off the Brutes, but the Shipmaster still needed to find them another purpose because their culture is dying.) Sangheili live for the battlefield, it's really difficult to switch back to a normal existence after that, they have no more purpose. ONI is probably just being safe rather than sorry is all I meant. The Sangheili respect humans for their determination and with Thel as Arbiter, I doubt they'll just declare war. But you never know, a few Shipmasters might decide of their own that what they need is a war.


It is just making me..."off". I feel that the social problems they are having would prohibit them from fighting, not to mention the UNSC can still build ships where the elites can't.


The war would be stupid on their part. for some reason i am starting to think about krogans...



ONI trying to keep humans safe by forcing the Elites to be constantly off-balance is going to start a war damn quick compared to humanity... Idummo, helping the Elites?

Or simply keeping a peace treaty. I mean, it's like people forget Elites are BIG on their honor. Would they honestly turn around and attack the humans after the war? I don't think so.

Also the fact. Elites respect those who impress them in combat. Grunts did (hence them being in the Covenant military), Humanity did. You don't see them wiping out all the grunts do you?

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?

thats what i am getting at cmdr, it doesn't add up.

  • 07.28.2011 12:47 PM PDT

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I agree completely with DaeFaron. The only saving grace in this for me is that ONI might not be acting under the explicit orders from the UNSC HIGHCOM.

The Sangheili are the only race that both respect -somewhat- Humanity, are relatively benign to Humanity, (In comparison to Flood or Brutes) and the only worthwhile race pursuing an alliance with (What else? Grunts? Jackals?). An alliance would seem like the best way to get both races back on their feet again. Promoting the friendlier, more reasonable and rational factions over zealots and prideful jerks would be more beneficial.

What is ONI doing? "-blam!- it, lets risk unifying the Sangheili against us by meddling in their politics and putting them all down like dogs".

I also don't get the whole "Humans are so low in social class it would be laughable to harm them"

Ehhh, what? I'm sorry but what happened to the whole idea of respect for determination and fortitude over physical prowess, and the whole Reclaimer front? Is that just tucked under the carpet now. That level of ignorance, irrational and blind hubris is really undoing the whole honour thing for me.

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?

It is the translator that is low on their scale, not humanity as a whole.

  • 07.28.2011 1:46 PM PDT


Posted by: anton1792
I also don't get the whole "Humans are so low in social class it would be laughable to harm them"


I don't know where you got this. I think you must of misinterpret their words. They weren't talking about humanity as a whole. Just Evan Phillips. He is so small, so... unique that if you harmed him you might as well be assaulting a child.

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"Time was your ally human. But now it has abandoned you. The Forerunners....have returned. And this tomb... is now yours". - The Didact

There is a possibility that some Sangheili commanders still hate Humanity.Remember the Imperial commander who was still planning to beat the Humans after dealing with the Brutes.

  • 07.28.2011 2:16 PM PDT

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Posted by: grey101
It is the translator that is low on their scale, not humanity as a whole.

But doesn't the guy speak Sangheilian himself without the need for a translator? I thought that was why they called him an idiot child, because he could not speak it as well as an adult Sangheili could.

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Posted by: anton1792
I also don't get the whole "Humans are so low in social class it would be laughable to harm them"

I don't know where you got this. I think you must of misinterpret their words. They weren't talking about humanity as a whole. Just Evan Phillips. He is so small, so... unique that if you harmed him you might as well be assaulting a child.

I don't see why they would apply this double standard at all. He is a Human most likely of average Human stature.

I think it is obvious now that 343 Industries are not fond of the idea of the Sangheili having any sort of respect for Humans. Conversations from the Universe may as well be retconned now as far as I am concerned.

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?


Posted by: hotshot revan II
There is a possibility that some Sangheili commanders still hate Humanity.Remember the Imperial commander who was still planning to beat the Humans after dealing with the Brutes.

no. and if you are talking about "the return" he wasn't going to do anything but look for the forerunner relic.

  • 07.28.2011 2:19 PM PDT

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Posted by: Fin5434p
Great. :(

So the ODST are going to become the new mandalorians, the Sangheili are going to be marginalised and caricatured as a bunch of ignorant peasants, fighting amongst themselves for teh lulzzorz... Halsey is going to be demonised, the spartans and Mendes are going to have a major character derailment "just because hating halsey adds drama" (seriously, both the spartans and Mendes have previously all been in favour of halsey's actions, it's Halsey herself that has doubts). Oni is going to be acting all pointlessly dickish for the sake of it (at least that is vaguely canon) and screwing over mankinds best hope at an alliance with somebody useful....

Dammit Traviss, why must you mess with everything I like?
Is it not enough that you lobotomised the clones and jedi throughout several star wars books?
But no, now Halo is going to be battered even further with the Idiot Stick....

:(


This is so true...and if you haven't watched the Comic-Con Halo Panel 2010 video, I suggest you do that and you'll understand how true it is. I was bored last night browsing Halo Waypoint and watching random videos and came across the Halo Panel one... Greg Bear is there, along with Karen Traviss and they discuss their books a little and what motivates them to write... Karen Travis is ALL ABOUT drama and conflict within characters. She talks about how she doesn't like to write about characters that are normal, she likes the problem-characters, and this new info on the book sounds like she's created a lot of pointless drama.

What's funny is that she talks about how she doesn't like to write about things if she knows everything about it. She likes to write stories without being an expert on the subject because she feels it brings a "fresh" feeling to the book. Then immediately after, Peter David, who was in charge of the Halo comics, gave a lengthy explanation about how you DO need to study the entire Halo universe before attempting any new projects because if you don't, the fans that know the subject better than you will be sure to let you know about the mistakes you made.

I thought that was funny...how Karen likes not knowing about the topic before writing, and then Peter mentions how you shouldn't start a Halo project before becoming an expert on the books, the games, everything.

Anyway...


So we're just supposed to ignore the fact that these people have had some serious -blam!- happen to them and expect them fully to be completely badass all the time.

Right.......

Look, I've read all of her Gears of War books. She stays expertly true to all of the characters involved. If she was melodramatic, I would hate her for it, but as it is, she NEVER goes overboard with the drama, she merely analyzes the characters and asks herself "what would this person do or how would he/she react to this scenario" and then does it.

I've rarely seen an author who can create characters so complex yet true to their universe. Perhaps you've never read any of her books, but if you have, and you still say that she's overly dramatic, then its clear the only thing you're interested in is the action.


I agree, Karen made me care about the characters in Gears Of War and that was a hard thing to do.

I want her to get in to the characters like she did with Marcus and Dom because in Halo the characters are what make the story as good as it is.

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Posted by: hotshot revan II
There is a possibility that some Sangheili commanders still hate Humanity.Remember the Imperial commander who was still planning to beat the Humans after dealing with the Brutes.

no. and if you are talking about "the return" he wasn't going to do anything but look for the forerunner relic.


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