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Subject: Moar and moar Spartans !!!

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After reading the Journal of Dr. Halsey (no less than 5 or 6 times, so good and so bored... lol) that came with the Legendary Edition, I think that 343i could easily introduce more Spartans into the Halo Universe, thus giving you options like Reach did.

My reasoning:

There several entries in sequence where she states that she was getting tired of having to work under ONI's eye.

Then she states that they took her research notes.

Then she expresses outrage that ONI created the Spartan III's without her knowledge or permission.

The Spartan III's were almost as strong and fast as Spartan II's, with the difference being so negligible as to be almost non-existent.

ONI knows how to create Spartans, and with their performance on Harvest, Reach, and with the Master Chief's impeccable service record in the UNSC, I personally think ONI would be more than willing to resurrect the Spartan program.

As far as Halo 4 goes, 343 only said Halo 4 wouldn't have UNSC or "Purple" in it. Nothing about Halo 5 or 6. If Master Chief were able to send off some type of slipspace message back to UNSC territory (and who knows how long Chief has been in cryo-sleep), then it would be very easy for them to then locate Chief and send in some sort of back up.

Story ramifications of that would also be interesting in that what if in retrieving Master Chief, the UNSC accidentally gives away their position in the Orion arm of the galaxy to this new enemy. If that were to happen, since Humanity made peace with the Sangheli, what if they reached an alliance? Then you could have a Human-Elite alliance against a common foe, not just the Covenant (or going by the Lore/Books, the remnants of the Covenant that the Sanghelli continue to hunt down).

I can see it happening.

Besides, at the end of Reach it shows the planet being re-terraformed 30 years later. I bring this up because someone asked me a little bit ago saying that since Reach had been glassed, where would ONI and the UNSC train these new Spartans. It wouldn't be too hard to imagine that they would rebuild their main military facilities and rearm Reach as well as add extra fortifications. On top of this, even though 95% of the Spartans died at Reach (some survived on[in?] Onyx), their valor and sacrifice, as well as military prowess would more than justify restarting the program. Plus, who better to find and rescue Chief than Spartans?

I know that by the official Canon, after 60 years they haven't found Chief, and so they made a memorial for him and all of the Spartans. But they are still looking, always looking for any sign of Chief.

Again, I know that Halo 4 is not about the Human-Covenant War, this is about Master Chief. However, the Spartans and the UNSC (along with ONI) are almost inseparable. One always supports the other, and are most always present with the other two.

Thus it would be plausible to add the Spartans back into the Halo universe as a sizable military force in the UNSC, and thus make them playable (and customizable) in another Halo game.

Discuss, I am interested in others thoughts on this.


[Edited on 07.28.2011 11:12 AM PDT]

  • 07.28.2011 10:55 AM PDT

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True, but with the history of Humanity as it is, even with Natural (or unnatural) disasters, some of the first installations to be rebuilt are always military installations.

In Humanity's psyche, if you rebuild the military, then you are safe to rebuild everything else. I served in the military for 12 years. I've seen hurricanes tear up a community, and as they rebuild, military installations are rebuilt alongside everything else, but more resources are funneled to the military so that they rebuild faster, thus safeguarding the rest of the rebuilding effort.

I can almost guarantee that Reach is one of the most important rebuilding sites on the 30 years following the War. It was/is their military hub.

So it would still be an ideal location (and the UNSC/ONI would have plenty of time) to rebuild the Spartan ranks.

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It's prudent to point out that ONI also constructed Spartan-IIIs without any help from Halsey at all. So it's possible that more Spartan programs could be created in the future.

  • 07.28.2011 12:05 PM PDT

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Posted by: About 9 Grunts
It's prudent to point out that ONI also constructed Spartan-IIIs without any help from Halsey at all. So it's possible that more Spartan programs could be created in the future.


^ This is exactly my point. They took what information they could ferret away from her, and seized the rest of the program info when they took control of the program. This is why she was so irate when she found out about the Spartan III program.

Easily, they could make more Spartans and repopulate the ranks.

  • 07.28.2011 12:13 PM PDT

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For all we know O.N.I could have commissioned a Spartan 2 class 2 programme.

It is possible that:

Satan (Parangosky) let Ackerson create the Spartan IIIs to go on cannon fodder missions while the Spartan 2 class 2s are out and about destroying -blam!-.

It would explain the surge of the Spartan 2 numbers (kind of).

  • 07.28.2011 12:19 PM PDT

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Posted by: I Nebula I
For all we know O.N.I could have commissioned a Spartan 2 class 2 programme.

It is possible that:

Satan (Parangosky) let Ackerson create the Spartan IIIs to go on cannon fodder missions while the Spartan 2 class 2s are out and about destroying -blam!-.

It would explain the surge of the Spartan 2 numbers (kind of).


This also is possible.

With what was left open in Canon, it would be very easy for ONI to repopulate the Spartans.

The Spartan III program vastly refined the process for making a Spartan. Most everything became administered by a shot, rewriting the DNA of the candidate. Surgery was minimalized, but the Spartan III's were nearly indistinguishable from Spartan II's. Plus, the candidate gene pool was enlarged by the refining process. Some candidates were even in their late teens when they were subjected to the augmentation process under Spartan III.

It was cheaper, easier, and safer to produce Spartans under the ONI refinements to the process.

These are some of the main reasons why I think that 343 will have some part of Halo 5 or 6 dealing with the UNSC and some new Spartans. If nothing else, it makes for some interesting side-stories regarding the Spartans and their missions where you could have your own Spartan again (like Reach) to customize, as well as possibly introduce them as rescuers to the Master Chief.

With ONI and the Spartan III program, it would be so easy to write them into the story with really no changes to existing Canon.

I do like your explanation into the jump in Spartan II numbers though. Easily plausible.

  • 07.28.2011 12:41 PM PDT

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Judging by your information, this "Portal" found at the end of the Halo 4 teaser cannot be the portal to onyx am i right ? So it it is a complete new story ? continuing the books or is it simply that is actually is the portal for onyx

If there is no UNSC in the future Halo's then it is an entire new thing...

Sorry this was wandering in my head

Nice threat btw


[Edited on 07.28.2011 4:54 PM PDT]

  • 07.28.2011 4:53 PM PDT

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Thank you. I thought it was a neat discussion idea.

I'm pretty positive that the portal in the Halo 4 trailer isn't the way to the Onyx Shield World, no one knows what it is yet.

My mention of Onyx was simply that some Spartans survived in the Shield World, and thus could be rescued by ONI as well. They would be one way the ONI could start to repopulate the Spartans. Or simply have them train new classes of Spartans once they emerge from the Shield World.

I do think that it wouldn't be too much of a stretch for 343 to write new Spartans into the Halo Universe. They have the tech, and the knowledge to create more Spartan III's, or even make refine the process further thus creating new Spartans much easier.

I think it's entirely feasible that 343 could introduce new Spartans either in Halo 5 or 6, or even in another side Halo game (as long as it doesn't go the way of Halo Wars...).

As far as sending new Spartans to rescue Chief; 343 said no UNSC in Halo 4, but 5 & 6 are still open. The Chief and the UNSC are really inseparable, he was made into a Spartan to serve in the UNSC. They have to come into play again at some point. It would be easy to write it in as the new trilogy unfolds. Chief somehow sends a message or coded message back into UNSC space, and the new Spartans that ONI has been making go to assist Humanity's most legendary Spartan.

It isn't really that far out of the realm of possibility in my humble opinion.

  • 07.29.2011 5:39 AM PDT

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The year in the Halo 4 trailer is at least 2556. This is because Cortana said she was "7" in Halo legends. So that would make the year 2556. More time could have passed between that and the trailer though.

My guess is the beacon Cortana dropped won't be found/heard for a longer period than 4 years. I don't think it's probable to assume more Spartans being created by ONI. It's 1 thing to pull the fastest and strongest from a collective human pool of 200 billion, but another thing entirely to get them from 200 million. There are simply not enough selections for a Spartan program to get potential candidates.

However, a Spartan 4 program could be possible if ONI lowered the requirements, or improved tech high enough to give Spartan 4's similar capability as Spartan 2's/3's. That being said, the program would have been initiated around aprox. 2530. That would make the Spartan 4's 26, which is enough time for development and a small amount of training. This just seems improbable. Also, the Spartan 3 program was just being started during 2531, so Spartan 4's don't exist unless they are created much later. The Spartans you are referencing may be 'hidden' 2's or 3's never before mentioned.

My personal thoughts about the Halo 4 trailer include Mendicant Bias and/or AdjutantReflex being involved somehow. The development of a 'theory' will have to be based off of more tidbits that future ads will give us.

[Edited on 07.29.2011 7:49 AM PDT]

  • 07.29.2011 7:44 AM PDT

i think the unsc is no more so when the message gets threw to oni or any elites or unsc it would be so long that they probaly would have forgotten of any spartans left and they would have searched for ever in the end no one from the unsc would have past away

  • 07.29.2011 2:51 PM PDT

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  • 07.29.2011 8:14 PM PDT

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Posted by: Uriel S167
I think it's entirely feasible that 343 could introduce new Spartans either in Halo 5 or 6, or even in another side Halo game (as long as it doesn't go the way of Halo Wars...).


343 could create a totally new friend or foe. Maybe Spartan III's, Maybe something else.

  • 07.29.2011 8:20 PM PDT
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Posted by: goldhawk
We should know better, because we are better.

The amount of Spartans was restricted strongly by cost. The original 2s costed more then a fleet of battleships which was part of the reason ONI decided to create class 3s. Another big problem is the lack of suitable candidates. While more Spartans would be great for moral and tactical reasons, they are held back by a variety of other problems.

I'm not sure that 343i should introduce more Spartans. Noble Team is an example of why not.

[Edited on 07.29.2011 8:31 PM PDT]

  • 07.29.2011 8:29 PM PDT

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Posted by: Xd00999
The amount of Spartans was restricted strongly by cost. The original 2s costed more then a fleet of battleships which was part of the reason ONI decided to create class 3s. Another big problem is the lack of suitable candidates. While more Spartans would be great for moral and tactical reasons, they are held back by a variety of other problems.

I'm not sure that 343i should introduce more Spartans. Noble Team is an example of why not.


I see where you are coming from.

However, as mentioned previously the cost of the Spartan program dropped significantly with ONI's refinements of the process. It was still extremely expensive, but the cost was more reasonable. Hence we have many, many more SPartan III's than we did Spartan II's.

Plus, with further refinement of the process, it would become cheaper as well as easier on the subject to create more Spartans in a possible Class IV.

As far as the pool of candidates is concerned, they could initiate a DNA mapping protocol as part of the rebuilding effort. This would be very easy to disguise as making sure that no one on Earth (or the remaining colonies) were infected by the Flood. While the majority of the populace never knew about the flood, High Charity did enter Earth's atmosphere.

With said DNA mapping, not only does ONI ensure that no Flood have survived dormant in the remaining populace, but they also get a vast database of people with quite a lot of them possibly having the correct genetic markers for the program.

It would be easily feasible to have more Spartans in the future, and to replace them quickly as part of the rebuilding. Not only of the U.E.G. but of the UNSC military as well.


To a poster above: I honestly believe that the UNSC will be around for quite a bit. The Encyclopedia (which is based on all of the Canon) very strongly hints that the UNSC is around even up to the 2600's. Just look up the characters who were having their retirements logged into the systems in the late 2500's.

The UNSC is still around. All of the speculation that the UNSC has collapsed or disbanded is just speculation. The reason that the UNSC isn't going to be in Halo 4, is because MC is lost so far out in space. I would hazard a guess that he is out of the Orion arm of the galaxy completely. Maybe in Forerunner inhabited space somewhere else in the galaxy.

Halo 5 or 6? Depending upon the time that 343 has elapse between Halo games, it is easily possible that the UNSC and ONI could send the first graduates of a new Spartan IV program to rescue Chief late in the new Trilogy.

My personal thought is that new Spartans wouldn't appear before Halo 6. The time would work out, and as we have seen in modern day rebuilding efforts, more funds are made available for rebuilding much, much faster after a disaster of this magnitude than at any other time.

ONI could easily redirect these funds to help resurrect the Spartan program as part of the massive funds that are going to be available for the rebuilding of the UNSC and it's Naval Fleet.

  • 07.30.2011 5:56 AM PDT