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Subject: We can Probably assume that the Beam Rifle wasn't used extensively


Posted by: Onyx81

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Posted by: anton1792
Bungie Article's Mach 10 Vs Encyclopaedia's Mach 2.
I'm going to go with Bungie on this one. There are too many errors in the Encyclopedia to even consider that canon if it conflicts with Bungie.


What matters is if it conflicts with 343, and they wrote the Encyclopedia.

However, mach ten makes more sense for a particle accelerator, so I agree here.
I hope they don't change it to Mach 2. Slowly but surely, 343i is making the covenant weaker in their retcons


Perhaps to compensate for the rediculousness of the Forerunners. I mean seriously, W.T.F.?

  • 07.30.2011 11:12 AM PDT

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Mach 2 for a particle beam is a bit pathetic anyway.

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Yeah.. I'm very disappointed in 343's Retcons. However, I'm excited to see what they will do with these new retcons.

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At those speeds, the rifle could hit anything. It's almost and idiot proof sniper. No need for leading the target, no need for factoring wind, a really good weapon. No wonder the Jackal Snipers could kill me so easily.


>Halo 2

> Outskirts

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me


>Halo 3

>First Level, when you arrive at river

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>Triple Shot every time I jumped

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At those speeds, the rifle could hit anything. It's almost and idiot proof sniper. No need for leading the target, no need for factoring wind, a really good weapon. No wonder the Jackal Snipers could kill me so easily.


>Halo 2

> Outskirts

>Legendary

me


>Halo 3

>First Level, when you arrive at river

>Legendary

>Triple Shot every time I jumped
So true.

  • 07.30.2011 11:31 AM PDT

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Posted by: anton1792
Mach 2 for a particle beam is a bit pathetic anyway.


Well it's not surprising, considering many of the weapon manufacturers in halo are complete blam-tards.
2ho has the nerves to issue out weaponry that have ranges less than that of a regular pistol as there main firearms ?
Plasma rifle has only a range of up to 50 metres, the brute spiker has range of up to 40 metres and a muzzle velocity of 76.2 m/s.
Mind you, the guns are the size of regular rifles in the hands of a human, are more pathetic than there UNSC counterparts.
I'm not going to even touch on how horrible that monstrocity the Scorian tank is. I'd be more than willing to bet my life that an M1 abraham is caable of out classing it in every department.

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Posted by: ExcellentSix

Posted by: anton1792
Mach 2 for a particle beam is a bit pathetic anyway.


Well it's not surprising, considering many of the weapon manufacturers in halo are complete blam-tards.
2ho has the nerves to issue out weaponry that have ranges less than that of a regular pistol as there main firearms ?
Plasma rifle has only a range of up to 50 metres, the brute spiker has range of up to 40 metres and a muzzle velocity of 76.2 m/s.
Mind you, the guns are the size of regular rifles in the hands of a human, are more pathetic than there UNSC counterparts.
I'm not going to even touch on how horrible that monstrocity the Scorian tank is. I'd be more than willing to bet my life that an M1 abraham is caable of out classing it in every department.
If you read any of the thread you would realize that we determined that the ranges that are listed at canon are temporary ranges, as Humans haven't been able to test them out.

Also, yes, the Type-25 Carbine does have a muzzle velocity of 76.2 m/s, but the projectile's size, and shape allow it to stab and dismember foes. Think for a bit before you post.

[Edited on 07.30.2011 12:33 PM PDT]

  • 07.30.2011 12:26 PM PDT

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Posted by: Onyx81

Posted by: ExcellentSix

Posted by: anton1792
Mach 2 for a particle beam is a bit pathetic anyway.


Well it's not surprising, considering many of the weapon manufacturers in halo are complete blam-tards.
2ho has the nerves to issue out weaponry that have ranges less than that of a regular pistol as there main firearms ?
Plasma rifle has only a range of up to 50 metres, the brute spiker has range of up to 40 metres and a muzzle velocity of 76.2 m/s.
Mind you, the guns are the size of regular rifles in the hands of a human, are more pathetic than there UNSC counterparts.
I'm not going to even touch on how horrible that monstrocity the Scorian tank is. I'd be more than willing to bet my life that an M1 abraham is caable of out classing it in every department.
If you read any of the thread you would realize that we determined that the ranges that are listed at canon are temporary ranges, as Humans haven't been able to test them out.

Also, yes, the Type-25 Carbine does have a muzzle velocity of 76.2 m/s, but the projectile's size, and shape allow it to dismember foes. Think for a bit before you post.
Also, gameplay =/= canon. And is it possible to airlift Abrams from orbit?

EDIT: On-topic: 1500 m is still good range for sniper. And it's possible that tech used in Beam rifle isn't supposed to be used in sniper weapons.

[Edited on 07.30.2011 12:53 PM PDT]

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Posted by: Onyx81

Posted by: ExcellentSix

Posted by: anton1792
Mach 2 for a particle beam is a bit pathetic anyway.


Well it's not surprising, considering many of the weapon manufacturers in halo are complete blam-tards.
2ho has the nerves to issue out weaponry that have ranges less than that of a regular pistol as there main firearms ?
Plasma rifle has only a range of up to 50 metres, the brute spiker has range of up to 40 metres and a muzzle velocity of 76.2 m/s.
Mind you, the guns are the size of regular rifles in the hands of a human, are more pathetic than there UNSC counterparts.
I'm not going to even touch on how horrible that monstrocity the Scorian tank is. I'd be more than willing to bet my life that an M1 abraham is caable of out classing it in every department.
If you read any of the thread you would realize that we determined that the ranges that are listed at canon are temporary ranges, as Humans haven't been able to test them out.

Also, yes, the Type-25 Carbine does have a muzzle velocity of 76.2 m/s, but the projectile's size, and shape allow it to dismember foes. Think for a bit before you post.
Also, gameplay =/= canon. And is it possible to airlift Abrams from orbit?

EDIT: On-topic: 1500 m is still good range for sniper. And it's possible that tech used in Beam rifle isn't supposed to be used in sniper weapons.
Well obviously no. I wouldn't even consider the Beam Rifle to be a sniper.

  • 07.30.2011 1:08 PM PDT

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Posted by: Onyx81

Posted by: ExcellentSix

Posted by: anton1792
Mach 2 for a particle beam is a bit pathetic anyway.


Well it's not surprising, considering many of the weapon manufacturers in halo are complete blam-tards.
2ho has the nerves to issue out weaponry that have ranges less than that of a regular pistol as there main firearms ?
Plasma rifle has only a range of up to 50 metres, the brute spiker has range of up to 40 metres and a muzzle velocity of 76.2 m/s.
Mind you, the guns are the size of regular rifles in the hands of a human, are more pathetic than there UNSC counterparts.
I'm not going to even touch on how horrible that monstrocity the Scorian tank is. I'd be more than willing to bet my life that an M1 abraham is caable of out classing it in every department.
If you read any of the thread you would realize that we determined that the ranges that are listed at canon are temporary ranges, as Humans haven't been able to test them out.

Also, yes, the Type-25 Carbine does have a muzzle velocity of 76.2 m/s, but the projectile's size, and shape allow it to stab and dismember foes. Think for a bit before you post.


AHEM
No it doesn't, in all media featuring the spiker, the only thing that gun was able to do was either impale a guy and/or pin him to a wall, in any case those spikes...by conventional physics really shouldn't be able to pierce the body armor of a marine or even a spartan.
If you convert the muzzle velocity to miles per hour that's pretty much 100 miles per hour.
That's horrible, a modern trooper equipped with an M4 could easily out range anything carrying a spiker.

  • 07.30.2011 1:34 PM PDT

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As for the tank bit, it's VERY stuid that the UNSC would even use an inferior tank design and weaponary as their main battle tank.

And I have never seemed to recall the Unsc ever airlifting their vehicles or tanks into orbit using their traditional dropships. (pelican)

With the armor that would make tanks lighter, it would be more than plausible to replicate the m1 abraham with the lighter armor to enable an airlift of it's mass.

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  • 07.30.2011 2:05 PM PDT

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  • 07.30.2011 2:11 PM PDT

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Posted by: ExcellentSix
As for the tank bit, it's VERY stuid that the UNSC would even use an inferior tank design and weaponary as their main battle tank.

Rule of cool, and scorpion has very highh rate of fire, can be controlled by one person and since when 120 mm from now is comparable to 90 mm in the future?

And I have never seemed to recall the Unsc ever airlifting their vehicles or tanks into orbit using their traditional dropships. (pelican)

I said from orbit

With the armor that would make tanks lighter, it would be more than plausible to replicate the m1 abraham with the lighter armor to enable an airlift of it's mass.

Again, rule of cool. It's a tank named Scorpion, and it looks like a scorpion!

  • 07.30.2011 2:33 PM PDT


Posted by: ExcellentSix

Well it's not surprising, considering many of the weapon manufacturers in halo are complete blam-tards.
2ho has the nerves to issue out weaponry that have ranges less than that of a regular pistol as there main firearms ?
Plasma rifle has only a range of up to 50 metres, the brute spiker has range of up to 40 metres and a muzzle velocity of 76.2 m/s.
Mind you, the guns are the size of regular rifles in the hands of a human, are more pathetic than there UNSC counterparts.
I'm not going to even touch on how horrible that monstrocity the Scorian tank is. I'd be more than willing to bet my life that an M1 abraham is caable of out classing it in every department.


a scorpion is much much more efficient than a M1 Abrams tank.

-1 pilot
-Meters thick ceramic-titanium armor
-faster firing rate
-larger shot round
-Independent 4 track system which can work with 3 tracks disabled

It's even considered a light tank by the UNSC.

  • 07.30.2011 4:03 PM PDT

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This man, this man right here put it so eloquently that I actually cancelled my own 2000+ word long post.
/slow clap for respect


:)
The person who said participating is important, not winning, obviously never won anything.

I find the Focus Rifle to be much more intimitading than the Beam Rifle.

One hit from the Focus Rifle and a considerable part of the body is charred and useless.

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Posted by: Onyx81

Posted by: ExcellentSix

Posted by: anton1792
Mach 2 for a particle beam is a bit pathetic anyway.


Well it's not surprising, considering many of the weapon manufacturers in halo are complete blam-tards.
2ho has the nerves to issue out weaponry that have ranges less than that of a regular pistol as there main firearms ?
Plasma rifle has only a range of up to 50 metres, the brute spiker has range of up to 40 metres and a muzzle velocity of 76.2 m/s.
Mind you, the guns are the size of regular rifles in the hands of a human, are more pathetic than there UNSC counterparts.
I'm not going to even touch on how horrible that monstrocity the Scorian tank is. I'd be more than willing to bet my life that an M1 abraham is caable of out classing it in every department.
If you read any of the thread you would realize that we determined that the ranges that are listed at canon are temporary ranges, as Humans haven't been able to test them out.

Also, yes, the Type-25 Carbine does have a muzzle velocity of 76.2 m/s, but the projectile's size, and shape allow it to stab and dismember foes. Think for a bit before you post.


AHEM
No it doesn't, in all media featuring the spiker, the only thing that gun was able to do was either impale a guy and/or pin him to a wall, in any case those spikes...by conventional physics really shouldn't be able to pierce the body armor of a marine or even a spartan.
If you convert the muzzle velocity to miles per hour that's pretty much 100 miles per hour.
That's horrible, a modern trooper equipped with an M4 could easily out range anything carrying a spiker.
As I recall, Books are media too... Also, Your logic doesn't make sense in regards to it piercing armor. If you take a Hammer and try as hard as you can to stab someone with its blunt end, it would be really hard. Now take an extremely sharp cooking knife and stab someone slowly with little force. It's obvious that the knife will be more effective. Who says the spike isn't sharp?

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Posted by: HipiO7
I find the Focus Rifle to be much more intimitading than the Beam Rifle.

One hit from the Focus Rifle and a considerable part of the body is charred and useless.

I think the Focus rifle is best against weakly armored targets like Marines or Grunts. The beam rifle seams to fulfill the role of light anti-armor.

  • 07.30.2011 4:20 PM PDT

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Posted by: otterboyz

Posted by: ExcellentSix

Well it's not surprising, considering many of the weapon manufacturers in halo are complete blam-tards.
2ho has the nerves to issue out weaponry that have ranges less than that of a regular pistol as there main firearms ?
Plasma rifle has only a range of up to 50 metres, the brute spiker has range of up to 40 metres and a muzzle velocity of 76.2 m/s.
Mind you, the guns are the size of regular rifles in the hands of a human, are more pathetic than there UNSC counterparts.
I'm not going to even touch on how horrible that monstrocity the Scorian tank is. I'd be more than willing to bet my life that an M1 abraham is caable of out classing it in every department.


a scorpion is much much more efficient than a M1 Abrams tank.

-1 pilot
-Meters thick ceramic-titanium armor
-faster firing rate
-larger shot round
-Independent 4 track system which can work with 3 tracks disabled

It's even considered a light tank by the UNSC.


BUT...it's still their main battle tank....

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We are all going to get banned aren't we?

main thing is they were mainly used by Kig-Yar, so...

  • 07.30.2011 6:01 PM PDT

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Go to Halo 3, set it to instant kill, set pallets on their side in forge in front of eachother. Shoot it with the sniper, it does not penetrate any of the palletes, even with instant kill, only destroying the first.

Shoot the line of palletes with the Beam Rifle, it will go through all of which you set up.

The Beam Rifle had amazing penetration power.

  • 07.30.2011 8:23 PM PDT


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Posted by: otterboyz

Posted by: ExcellentSix

Well it's not surprising, considering many of the weapon manufacturers in halo are complete blam-tards.
2ho has the nerves to issue out weaponry that have ranges less than that of a regular pistol as there main firearms ?
Plasma rifle has only a range of up to 50 metres, the brute spiker has range of up to 40 metres and a muzzle velocity of 76.2 m/s.
Mind you, the guns are the size of regular rifles in the hands of a human, are more pathetic than there UNSC counterparts.
I'm not going to even touch on how horrible that monstrocity the Scorian tank is. I'd be more than willing to bet my life that an M1 abraham is caable of out classing it in every department.


a scorpion is much much more efficient than a M1 Abrams tank.

-1 pilot
-Meters thick ceramic-titanium armor
-faster firing rate
-larger shot round
-Independent 4 track system which can work with 3 tracks disabled

It's even considered a light tank by the UNSC.


BUT...it's still their main battle tank....


Which would destroy the M1 Abrams with it's 90 mm tungsten High Velocity Armor piercing Explosive rounds.

the only thing that needs to be exposed is its raised gun behind a hill and the lone operator is unhitable.

  • 07.30.2011 8:34 PM PDT

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I find it sad that people think tech got worse in 500 years of warfare...

  • 07.30.2011 9:17 PM PDT

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Posted by: ExcellentSix

Posted by: otterboyz

Posted by: ExcellentSix

Well it's not surprising, considering many of the weapon manufacturers in halo are complete blam-tards.
2ho has the nerves to issue out weaponry that have ranges less than that of a regular pistol as there main firearms ?
Plasma rifle has only a range of up to 50 metres, the brute spiker has range of up to 40 metres and a muzzle velocity of 76.2 m/s.
Mind you, the guns are the size of regular rifles in the hands of a human, are more pathetic than there UNSC counterparts.
I'm not going to even touch on how horrible that monstrocity the Scorian tank is. I'd be more than willing to bet my life that an M1 abraham is caable of out classing it in every department.


a scorpion is much much more efficient than a M1 Abrams tank.

-1 pilot
-Meters thick ceramic-titanium armor
-faster firing rate
-larger shot round
-Independent 4 track system which can work with 3 tracks disabled

It's even considered a light tank by the UNSC.


BUT...it's still their main battle tank....


Which would destroy the M1 Abrams with it's 90 mm tungsten High Velocity Armor piercing Explosive rounds.

the only thing that needs to be exposed is its raised gun behind a hill and the lone operator is unhitable.



And the scorpion would be destroyed by the 120 mm depleted uranium kinetic energy penetrator.
The fact that the skorpian tank simply only uses external armor to protect it self is one thing, now look how exposed that cockpit is.
And no engineer in their right mind would ever think of putting that cannon where it is, if anything to go by, physics would tell you that it wouldn't take a lot of explosive power to disable that main cannon.

  • 07.30.2011 9:43 PM PDT

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Posted by: Makko Mace
I find it sad that people think tech got worse in 500 years of warfare...


Speak for yourself, I find the ignorance saddening.
And I'm not talking about the tech, I'm talking about the ballistics of certain UNSC and covenant firearms as well their vehicles.
Aome UNSC firearms are outclassed by there modern equivelent.

  • 07.30.2011 9:45 PM PDT

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