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Subject: Why Halo 3 and ODST are better then Reach.

Vengeance only leads to an ongoing cycle of hatred.

I believe all of the Halo games (Halo: CE, Halo 2, Halo 3, ODST, Halo Wars) are all better then Reach. However, I'm going to focus on Halo 3 and ODST.

The Campaign: ODST had the best campaign out of all the Halo games with Halo 3 as a close second. "But, it was so short!" Quality over quantity. When I look at a poll on the ODST forums that asks which character is my favorite, I have to think. This is good. All of the characters are likable. When I see a poll asking which of Noble Team is your favorite I can easily say, 'none.' Or maybe Jorge, but they killed him off so fast you didn't really get to know him as well as you should have. All of the characters in Reach were honestly not likable at all. Aside from the characters, Reach takes canon by the throat, slaps it around, throws it on the ground, and takes a dump on it.

I honestly don't think I have to go into detail with the canon breaks. Anyway, instead of taking an already great story The Fall of Reach they replace it with this new story. A story, that feels like a crappy side-story, at best. Where was the Global Battle? Everything was small scale. "What about Long Night of Solace?!" That wasn't much of a step up. It's overrated and the Sabre...is it just me or is it exactly like the Banshee, but Human? It had the same controls and everything. All they did was take Banshee mechanics, slap it on a space ship (That was a little kid's ride. We should've piloted a Longsword, at least.) and put the setting in space. Lazy, much?

Bungie boasted how they could now do 40AI, twice as much in Halo 3! Well, you sure did use the 40AI well, Bungie. /sarcasm. In Halo 3 - The Ark mission - You roll in their with your tank and you have to fight off Ghosts, Wraiths, Choppers, Infantry...then BAM, a Scarab comes out of nowhere and you have to take that down too. They did all that with 20AI, could you imagine double that?! It would've been amazing. Also - The Covenant mission - you hop in the Hornet and there's a bunch of Banshees and Dropships you have to fight off while there are anti-air Wraiths shooting at you and infantry on the ground with Shade turrets. After all that, later in the mission, you have to take on two Scarabs while there are Banshees and Ghosts and whatnot fighting all around. The Falcon mission in Reach doesn't even compare to that. All done with 20AI. In Reach, nothing even compares to the epic battles that were so well done in Halo 3 and they had twice the AI.

Going off what I said about global battle, where was the sense of invasion? The largest Covenant fleet had come to invade Reach and glass it, yet...I felt no sense of invasion, at all. I felt more invaded during the highway mission in ODST. When you're driving your Warthog and there were Covenant ships in low orbit glassing. Then, out of nowhere, a Scarab comes walking through. The only time they did an okay job with the invasion bit was in New Alexandria and that still wasn't even close to enough of what we should've felt.

Now, in ODST the story was simply great. They had Sadie's Story as a side option, as well, which enhanced the story even more. The whole relationship between Buck and Dare was very well done. It first started off a bit rough then smoothed itself out by the end of the game. The relationship between the ODST's themselves was, again, well done. They were friends who had to have each others back in time of such peril. Like any friends they got a little pissed off at each other. For example Dutch, "Show some respect Romeo!" ... "I'm just sayin', Dutch." You can feel the tension, but they always get past their differences because that's what friends do. The character development in ODST was overall fantastic. Even in Halo 3, the relationship between Cortana and Chief. In Reach, it was terrible. It didn't capture anything like ODST did. Kat and Carter a tiny, tiny bit, but that's about it.

The Multiplayer - Halo 3, competitive. Halo: Reach, casual. Armor Abilities. One of the worst things to come of Halo. Sprint and Evade are the only ones that are okay. Even then the whole Sprint+Sword(Or melee) combo gets a little old. Don't even get me started on Armor Lock. All these things give the player a crutch right from the start. Where as, in Halo 3, you had to fight for the "power weapons" and Camo/Overshield. Arena is a joke. The highest skill in Halo 3 was so much better. You want to see real competition? Watch 50's go against each other in Halo 3. The credit system is terrible. I cap all five flags, against two Forerunners I may add, to win the game and all I got is a mere 100-200 credits for my performance? The EXP in Halo 3, although frustrating when you lose 50-49, worked well. If your team won, you got the EXP. This is where teamwork comes into play. Your team had to win in order for you to get the EXP. In Reach, you are trying to get credits for yourself.

Multiplayer Maps: Similar to characters, when I look at a Halo 3 poll/thread asking what your favorite multiplayer map is I really have to think because many come to mind. For Reach, I can easily say none. They did the lazy, Call of Duty copy-and-paste-from-campaign maps for Reach. While in Halo 3 they made amazing maps. The Pit, Guardian, Sandtrap, Vahalla, Avalanche, Cold Storage, etc, etc, etc. Plus, Halo 3's maps are great to Forge on. In Reach, I do not see any of them working well with Forge. The only thing you got is Forge World. Also, I might as well tag this on here too...ODST's Firefight maps > Reach's Firefight maps. Lost Platoon, anybody? I love ODST's Firefight maps. Reach's FF maps were just more copy-and-paste-from-campaign.

Firefight - ODST > Reach. Simple. In Reach it's all about the individual. You don't have to work as a team. In ODST, your more vulnerable. The waves get progressively harder and teamwork is highly emphasized. In Reach, you hardly have to take a survival into account. Try to get the achievement Endure. Case and point.

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  • 07.30.2011 11:36 AM PDT

ODST> All

  • 07.30.2011 11:42 AM PDT

Vengeance only leads to an ongoing cycle of hatred.


Posted by: ALPHAslayER1911
ODST> All


True.

P.S. I had to get away from all the idiots who replied on the Reach forum, if you were wondering why I posted here too.

  • 07.30.2011 11:47 AM PDT

Halo 3 takes skill, and is > than the rest.

  • 07.30.2011 11:58 AM PDT
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The legendary ending for Halo 4 is Masturcheef and Arby making love.


Posted by: ALPHAslayER1911
ODST> All

This. Also, OP, I see you made another troll thread :)

  • 07.30.2011 12:16 PM PDT

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Posted by: Zoroark1214

Posted by: ALPHAslayER1911
ODST> All

This. Also, OP, I see you made another troll thread :)

Hahaha. Dude, read the replies. It shows how stupid they can be. It's definitely something people should take a look at if they're in need for some lulz. I don't think most of them can even comprehend anything I'm saying.

  • 07.30.2011 12:22 PM PDT

Has to be troll, stopped when he said ODST had best campaign. That game was a joke.

  • 08.01.2011 12:46 AM PDT
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Posted by: OV3L0D3
Bungie boasted how they could now do 40AI, twice as much in Halo 3! Well, you sure did use the 40AI well, Bungie. /sarcasm. In Halo 3 - The Ark mission - You roll in their with your tank and you have to fight off Ghosts, Wraiths, Choppers, Infantry...then BAM, a Scarab comes out of nowhere and you have to take that down too. They did all that with 20AI, could you imagine double that?! It would've been amazing. Also - The Covenant mission - you hop in the Hornet and there's a bunch of Banshees and Dropships you have to fight off while there are anti-air Wraiths shooting at you and infantry on the ground with Shade turrets. After all that, later in the mission, you have to take on two Scarabs while there are Banshees and Ghosts and whatnot fighting all around. The Falcon mission in Reach doesn't even compare to that. All done with 20AI. In Reach, nothing even compares to the epic battles that were so well done in Halo 3 and they had twice the AI.
Just today, I had about 30-40 AI simultaneously on The Covenant:

-20 marines
-1 Arbiter (I gave him the machine gun. There is one on this level. If I didn't bring Arby, it would have been 21 marines. 23 if I could have gotten that Mongoose)
-3 War Chieftains
-up to 9 Brutes
-2 Scarabs
-2 Ghosts
-1 Prowler with 4 Brutes
-second Arby after destroying the Scarabs as well as Guilty Spark and Phantom

There's also about 33 Grunts on Sierra 117 (at the dam) and around 50 Covies on The Storm (at the part with the AA gun. look up AA gun megabattle).

Posted by: SEAL Sniper 9
and the Sabre...is it just me or is it exactly like the Banshee, but Human? It had the same controls and everything. All they did was take Banshee mechanics, slap it on a space ship (That was a little kid's ride. We should've piloted a Longsword, at least.) and put the setting in space. Lazy, much?
Makes me think that it wasn't their decision to go through with Reach. I mean look at Bungie Day 2011... Are they losing their creative touch or were they not given creative freedom?

[Edited on 08.01.2011 3:44 AM PDT]

  • 08.01.2011 2:36 AM PDT

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March 3, 2553

Agreed. Reach is utter trash. It makes trash look good.

  • 08.01.2011 4:01 AM PDT

*reminisces when the Bungie/Halo community wasn't made up of CoD kids*
*sighs*
*activates time-machine and sets the clock back to Nov. 9, 2004*
glory days here I come..
*vanishes*

You already made this thread twice.

  • 08.01.2011 4:21 AM PDT

It's alright.


Posted by: lord of dahorde
You already made this thread twice.


Instead of being so quick to point a double post. Why don't you decide to add something constructive to the post. Since that is the entire reason of a forum. For an "Honorable Legendary Member" (for what that's worth) I would have expected more from a post.

Anyways, I for one agree with absolutely everything the OP said. Reach was a game that took the Halo name, used it in vain and tried to steal away some of the 13 year olds that think COD is a game made by the Lord almighty.

Halo: 3 was by far the most well rounded halo experience. Halo: CE had the best story mode by far, but 3 was right up there with it in my book.

After all the "Swan Song" bull**** that Bungie threw around with Reach's launch, I figured I would finally be able to move away from Halo: 3. Boy was I wrong.

  • 08.01.2011 2:15 PM PDT
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Anyways, I for one agree with absolutely everything the OP said. Reach was a game that took the Halo name, used it in vain and tried to steal away some of the 13 year olds that think COD is a game made by the Lord almighty.

Halo: 3 was by far the most well rounded halo experience. Halo: CE had the best story mode by far, but 3 was right up there with it in my book.

  • 08.01.2011 2:26 PM PDT

Vengeance only leads to an ongoing cycle of hatred.


Posted by: OV3L0D3
Has to be troll, stopped when he said ODST had best campaign. That game was a joke.

Hmmm...that game was a joke, huh? Do you think Modern Warfare 2 is the greatest multiplayer player game too? It'd complete the picture. You don't know a good story or character development if it hit you in the face. Not to mention you didn't even read the reasons why ODST is better then Reach and why it was such a great game.

  • 08.01.2011 2:59 PM PDT

Opinions are wonderful things.

  • 08.01.2011 5:45 PM PDT

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Posted by: SEAL Sniper 9
The Campaign: ODST had the best campaign out of all the Halo games with Halo 3 as a close second.


I completely disagree, but yeah they are better than Reach.

  • 08.01.2011 5:55 PM PDT

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Posted by: DaCanadianNinja
Opinions are wonderful things.

Yes, they are. Problem?

  • 08.01.2011 10:04 PM PDT

Halo reach needs no skill to rank up. I would actually play the game a bit more if there was a good ranking system. I am going to keep on playing H3 until it completely dies out. Then I might consider really playing reach.

[Edited on 08.01.2011 11:09 PM PDT]

  • 08.01.2011 11:09 PM PDT


Posted by: SEAL Sniper 9

Posted by: DaCanadianNinja
Opinions are wonderful things.

Yes, they are. Problem?

You seem to have a mighty interesting one.

  • 08.02.2011 5:02 AM PDT

"What are we holding on to, Sam?"
"That there's some good in this world, and it's worth fighting for."

Well said sir! Yes, I think Halo 3 has the best multiplayer out of all Halo games, period. Admittedly, I played one or two games of Halo 2, and many consider it to be the best. Pity it got removed from Live. I don't consider Reach to be a bad game, by any means. It simply wasn't what I expected. Halo 3 has the best competetive multiplayer I've ever played, and I'll still be playing it until I hit 50.

  • 08.02.2011 6:01 AM PDT

"What are we holding on to, Sam?"
"That there's some good in this world, and it's worth fighting for."

ODST was definitely an excellent game, and the story was well done. However, I don't agree that ALL the characters were well developed. Rookie is a totally silent protagonist! Nonetheless, it was a great game.

  • 08.02.2011 6:05 AM PDT

Vengeance only leads to an ongoing cycle of hatred.


Posted by: DaCanadianNinja

Posted by: SEAL Sniper 9

Posted by: DaCanadianNinja
Opinions are wonderful things.

Yes, they are. Problem?

You seem to have a mighty interesting one.

Care to elaborate?

  • 08.02.2011 10:14 AM PDT

Just enjoy the damn game!
Who cares about BR vs AR

Halo CE has best campaign in my opinion. Then Halo 3, then Halo 2. But as a game, I think Halo 2 was the best. Best maps, best weapon set ups, and most fun. Just my opinion.

  • 08.02.2011 10:38 AM PDT

I make a living of selling my body, and I don't mean sex.

I agree with OP on most if not all his points.

  • 08.02.2011 8:15 PM PDT
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It's better, but this game lags like a piece of s**t, thankfully no random frame-rate drops though.

  • 08.02.2011 8:25 PM PDT

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