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Subject: Why Halo 3 and ODST are better then Reach.
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Posted by: swvjdirector
ODST was definitely an excellent game, and the story was well done. However, I don't agree that ALL the characters were well developed. Rookie is a totally silent protagonist! Nonetheless, it was a great game.


At least the characters in ODST had some character development and actually you felt something from the game. Unfortunately, I cannot say the same for Reach.

I found the story in Reach to be poorly written and the character development (what character development? Only Jorge seemed to have any kind of development and it was minor) was pretty bad. Heck, even Halo Wars had a better, although random, story as well as better character development.

  • 08.02.2011 8:29 PM PDT

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Posted by: Boysie
It's better, but this game lags like a piece of s**t, thankfully no random frame-rate drops though.

I'm guessing because of your connection because H3 runs on Reach's netcode.

  • 08.02.2011 8:30 PM PDT

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I agree with everything you said except for some of the Firefight part. While I think ODST had a better FF feel, Reach has some great maps(Holdout+Glacier).
Also, I might change the title to "Why I THINK Halo 3 and ODST are better than Reach", just to prevent trolling.

  • 08.02.2011 8:35 PM PDT
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Posted by: Ice Penjamin
I'm guessing because of your connection because H3 runs on Reach's netcode.


I don't know, Reach doesn't lag. I guessed it was due to poor host management rather than the game itself. I play late a night over here in the EU meaning most the US players are on so they gain host, meaning my connection to them is poor (though the ping is green).

Oh well, guess that's what you get for running P2P servers instead of dedicated servers where I could actually pick an EU server, but I can't really do anything about it unless I forced the game to give me host using an external program.

  • 08.02.2011 8:35 PM PDT

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Posted by: Boysie

Posted by: swvjdirector
ODST was definitely an excellent game, and the story was well done. However, I don't agree that ALL the characters were well developed. Rookie is a totally silent protagonist! Nonetheless, it was a great game.


At least the characters in ODST had some character development and actually you felt something from the game. Unfortunately, I cannot say the same for Reach.

I found the story in Reach to be poorly written and the character development (what character development? Only Jorge seemed to have any kind of development and it was minor) was pretty bad. Heck, even Halo Wars had a better, although random, story as well as better character development.

Exactly what I was saying. Jorge is the only one that showed something and...they kill him off first. Even if they didn't I still don't think the story would be any step up from downright horrible. You definitely felt something for the ODST characters. Usually, you find yourself saying 'Why didn't anybody die? That's so unrealistic.' While, that may be true in some instances, I found myself so relieved I didn't lose any of the ODST squad.

  • 08.03.2011 9:12 PM PDT
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Halo Wars, now THAT was a joke!

  • 08.03.2011 9:59 PM PDT
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Why hello there.

Listen, its fine if you have your own opinion about the Halo franchise, but don't try to force your beliefs on others. I personally like Halo: Reach the best, but you don't see me starting long, pointless threads just convince others.

  • 08.04.2011 6:58 AM PDT

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Ticrat: Halo Wars wasn't a joke at all. It was a great Halo game. I bet the only reason why you didn't like it was because you couldn't expand your horizon from FPS games.

Posted by: Teagg
Listen, its fine if you have your own opinion about the Halo franchise, but don't try to force your beliefs on others. I personally like Halo: Reach the best, but you don't see me starting long, pointless threads just convince others.

I'm not forcing my beliefs on anybody. I don't know how you come to that conclusion, but I'm just voicing my opinion and backing it up with worthy examples. I feel bad for you if you think Reach is the best.

  • 08.04.2011 9:31 AM PDT

Posted by: AngryBrute1
Oh yeah, since somebody does not believe what YOU believe; that makes us vapid...
I cannot grasp that what you call "Something happened to nothing, and that nothing became something, and it was smaller than than a period."

I don't love Halo 3, because I was just paired up against a team that was ALL 50s, yet my team was not even one fifth of that.
Is that fair in any way?
I would love them to suffer as much as we did, those arses.
But then again Reach doesn't even have a skill factor outside of arena, and only for onyx in arena, so yeah, there needs to be a skill checker in halo 4

  • 08.04.2011 9:31 AM PDT

Did this person say ODST had a better campain and better characters? Dude everyone in ODST is butt ugly and has the personality of a retarded neanderthal. The campain sucks too. It has so many holes that I am not even going to point them all out. Buy ODST for the firefight. I do agree that halo 3 is a awesome game. However more people play reach and reach does in fact have better visuals. I feel like I have to wait forever to play with a group in halo 3 in macthmaking. The people that still play halo 3 apperantly suck too from the few games that I have played with them.

  • 08.04.2011 10:28 AM PDT
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Why hello there.

Just by stating "I fell sorry for you" shows how you are trying to make others believe what you believe. You might not be actually saying "believe what I say" but the message is clear.

  • 08.04.2011 10:45 AM PDT

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  • 08.04.2011 11:54 AM PDT
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Posted by: SEAL Sniper 9
I believe all of the Halo games (Halo: CE, Halo 2, Halo 3, ODST, Halo Wars) are all better then Reach. However, I'm going to focus on Halo 3 and ODST.

The Campaign: ODST had the best campaign out of all the Halo games with Halo 3 as a close second. "But, it was so short!" Quality over quantity. When I look at a poll on the ODST forums that asks which character is my favorite, I have to think. This is good. All of the characters are likable. When I see a poll asking which of Noble Team is your favorite I can easily say, 'none.' Or maybe Jorge, but they killed him off so fast you didn't really get to know him as well as you should have. All of the characters in Reach were honestly not likable at all. Aside from the characters, Reach takes canon by the throat, slaps it around, throws it on the ground, and takes a dump on it.

I honestly don't think I have to go into detail with the canon breaks. Anyway, instead of taking an already great story The Fall of Reach they replace it with this new story. A story, that feels like a crappy side-story, at best. Where was the Global Battle? Everything was small scale. "What about Long Night of Solace?!" That wasn't much of a step up. It's overrated and the Sabre...is it just me or is it exactly like the Banshee, but Human? It had the same controls and everything. All they did was take Banshee mechanics, slap it on a space ship (That was a little kid's ride. We should've piloted a Longsword, at least.) and put the setting in space. Lazy, much?

Bungie boasted how they could now do 40AI, twice as much in Halo 3! Well, you sure did use the 40AI well, Bungie. /sarcasm. In Halo 3 - The Ark mission - You roll in their with your tank and you have to fight off Ghosts, Wraiths, Choppers, Infantry...then BAM, a Scarab comes out of nowhere and you have to take that down too. They did all that with 20AI, could you imagine double that?! It would've been amazing. Also - The Covenant mission - you hop in the Hornet and there's a bunch of Banshees and Dropships you have to fight off while there are anti-air Wraiths shooting at you and infantry on the ground with Shade turrets. After all that, later in the mission, you have to take on two Scarabs while there are Banshees and Ghosts and whatnot fighting all around. The Falcon mission in Reach doesn't even compare to that. All done with 20AI. In Reach, nothing even compares to the epic battles that were so well done in Halo 3 and they had twice the AI.

Going off what I said about global battle, where was the sense of invasion? The largest Covenant fleet had come to invade Reach and glass it, yet...I felt no sense of invasion, at all. I felt more invaded during the highway mission in ODST. When you're driving your Warthog and there were Covenant ships in low orbit glassing. Then, out of nowhere, a Scarab comes walking through. The only time they did an okay job with the invasion bit was in New Alexandria and that still wasn't even close to enough of what we should've felt.

Now, in ODST the story was simply great. They had Sadie's Story as a side option, as well, which enhanced the story even more. The whole relationship between Buck and Dare was very well done. It first started off a bit rough then smoothed itself out by the end of the game. The relationship between the ODST's themselves was, again, well done. They were friends who had to have each others back in time of such peril. Like any friends they got a little pissed off at each other. For example Dutch, "Show some respect Romeo!" ... "I'm just sayin', Dutch." You can feel the tension, but they always get past their differences because that's what friends do. The character development in ODST was overall fantastic. Even in Halo 3, the relationship between Cortana and Chief. In Reach, it was terrible. It didn't capture anything like ODST did. Kat and Carter a tiny, tiny bit, but that's about it.

The Multiplayer - Halo 3, competitive. Halo: Reach, casual. Armor Abilities. One of the worst things to come of Halo. Sprint and Evade are the only ones that are okay. Even then the whole Sprint+Sword(Or melee) combo gets a little old. Don't even get me started on Armor Lock. All these things give the player a crutch right from the start. Where as, in Halo 3, you had to fight for the "power weapons" and Camo/Overshield. Arena is a joke. The highest skill in Halo 3 was so much better. You want to see real competition? Watch 50's go against each other in Halo 3. The credit system is terrible. I cap all five flags, against two Forerunners I may add, to win the game and all I got is a mere 100-200 credits for my performance? The EXP in Halo 3, although frustrating when you lose 50-49, worked well. If your team won, you got the EXP. This is where teamwork comes into play. Your team had to win in order for you to get the EXP. In Reach, you are trying to get credits for yourself.

Multiplayer Maps: Similar to characters, when I look at a Halo 3 poll/thread asking what your favorite multiplayer map is I really have to think because many come to mind. For Reach, I can easily say none. They did the lazy, Call of Duty copy-and-paste-from-campaign maps for Reach. While in Halo 3 they made amazing maps. The Pit, Guardian, Sandtrap, Vahalla, Avalanche, Cold Storage, etc, etc, etc. Plus, Halo 3's maps are great to Forge on. In Reach, I do not see any of them working well with Forge. The only thing you got is Forge World. Also, I might as well tag this on here too...ODST's Firefight maps > Reach's Firefight maps. Lost Platoon, anybody? I love ODST's Firefight maps. Reach's FF maps were just more copy-and-paste-from-campaign.

Firefight - ODST > Reach. Simple. In Reach it's all about the individual. You don't have to work as a team. In ODST, your more vulnerable. The waves get progressively harder and teamwork is highly emphasized. In Reach, you hardly have to take a survival into account. Try to get the achievement Endure. Case and point.

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  • 08.04.2011 12:14 PM PDT

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Posted by: SniperPrime
Did this person say ODST had a better campain and better characters? Dude everyone in ODST is butt ugly and has the personality of a retarded neanderthal. The campain sucks too. It has so many holes that I am not even going to point them all out. Buy ODST for the firefight. I do agree that halo 3 is a awesome game. However more people play reach and reach does in fact have better visuals. I feel like I have to wait forever to play with a group in halo 3 in macthmaking. The people that still play halo 3 apperantly suck too from the few games that I have played with them.

Only a true Halo fan can appreciate ODST for what it is.

  • 08.04.2011 12:26 PM PDT

Odst was preety good i liked firefight reach is cod and h3 is beast imho

  • 08.04.2011 12:40 PM PDT
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thanks for actually taking your time to do thi forum. halo 3 is and always will be bungies best game(in th halo universe)i dont think halo 4 can top off halo 3 but you never know what bunjie has instore for us...

  • 08.04.2011 12:46 PM PDT
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dude are you serious? halo 3 odst was a great game campaignwise

  • 08.04.2011 12:48 PM PDT

"What are we holding on to, Sam?"
"That there's some good in this world, and it's worth fighting for."

Yeah, Reach tried to make the Spartans characters one could understand, but mostly it became a "who can have the most epic death" competition. Also, why should I care about Noble Six? I wasn't even given any proof that he was one of the good guys, as he left just as bloody a trail as the Covenant. The gameplay for the campaign was enjoyable, but the characters were all frostier than the Chief. I have to say, I have yet to care much for any of the charactersin Halo. Does anyone else think Reach should have been based on Eric Nylund's novel "The Fall of Reach"? It made every character interesting and likable. Reach's final mission does not. Note to Bungie: Getting impaled a million times with an energy sword still doesn't make you a good character. Any chance of Sam Fisher getting a cameo?

  • 08.04.2011 12:58 PM PDT

Halo 3 was bungies best game. They didn't put enough time and effort into ODST for me to be able to enjoy it. Sure the big buildings and abandoned city was kinda cool, but not good enough to make a whole game better.

  • 08.04.2011 1:05 PM PDT

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Posted by: swvjdirector
Does anyone else think Reach should have been based on Eric Nylund's novel "The Fall of Reach"? It made every character interesting and likable.

I do. It had so much potential, too. I would've loved it to be based off the book. Nylund really knew how to make the characters likable.

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Halo CE Custom Edition beats all other Halo multiplayer experiences.

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Posted by: z0mbiebot
Halo CE Custom Edition beats all other Halo multiplayer experiences.


Yep, playing with Mexicans with a ping over 9000 beats every other Halo multiplayer experience.

  • 08.05.2011 9:26 AM PDT

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  • 08.07.2011 8:38 PM PDT

i just did an all halo games legendary run through (except wars, still trying to beat it on legendary but i SUCK at those types of games) and i rank it like this

campaign wise: Halo 3, Halo 2, Halo CE, ODST, Wars, Reach

multiplayer: halo 2, halo 3, halo CE, odst, Reach, Wars

don't have to agree, its just my opinion

but OP 100% on the firefight experience, ODST = teamwork. reach = I NEED CREDITS NOW!

  • 08.07.2011 10:06 PM PDT
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I love reach simply because it is a halo game..

same goes for halo wars, the novels etc

  • 08.08.2011 12:02 AM PDT

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