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Remember this thread?

So which tank do you guys think would win in a fight lets look at the stats.
M808B Scorpion.
Length 10 meters (33 ft).
Width 3 meters (9.8 ft).
Mass 66 metric tons (65 LT; 73 ST).
Armor Ceramic-Titanium Armor.
Armament 1 M512 Smooth Bore High Velocity Cannon 1 M247T Medium Machine Gun.
Maximum Acc 60 mph


M1A3 Abrams.
Length Gun forward: 32.04 ft (9.77 m).
Hull length: 26.02 ft (7.93 m).
Width 12 ft (3.66 m)
Height 8 ft (2.44 m).
Weight 67.6 short tons (60.4 long tons).
Armor* Chobham, RH armor, steel encased depleted uranium mesh plating.
Primary armament 1 120 mm L44 M256 smoothbore cannon
Secondary armament 1 x .50-caliber (12.7 mm) M2HB heavy machine gun,2 x 7.62 mm (.308) M240 machine guns.
Speed Road: 42 mph (67.6 km/h)
Off-road: 30 mph (48.3 km/h

* Quick Kill active protection system(Basically if an RPG or other type of projectile was being shot at it it launches a small counter-measure missile to intercept it.)


Well we can agree that the Abrams would indeed destroy a Scorpion, a 120mm slug is just too much for that of the Scorpion but that doesn't mean the Future is weaker, let's pit the M1A Abrams against two other known tanks.

The Grizzly(Upgraded Scorpion Tank)
M-145D Rhino

Both would gut the M1A Abrams with ease, The Scorpion isn't the best thing we got, we have better. Let us put the stats shall we?

The Grizzly, known for the upgraded version of the Scorpion is the M1A Abrams on steriods, the M1A is known for having a 120mm main gun, while the Scorpion has the 90mm cannon, but the Grizzy has TWO 120mm turrets, with a faster firing rate than that of the Scorpion model which were both faster than the Abrams. Say bye to the Abrams.

Next is the M-145D Rhino, a staionary tank that could shoot a 320mm Plasma bolt, it would vaporize the M1A Abrams in a single shot.

Add to the fact they both have a hull made of Heavy Duty Ceramic-Titanium Armor, they could withstand several Abrams shots.

So to those who think modern technology could match the 2552, you have a long way to go my friend.

Try to prove this wrong.

[Edited on 07.31.2011 11:42 AM PDT]

  • 07.30.2011 4:12 PM PDT
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Mind having a constant unit of measurement? Having them represented with two different units can be confusing.

  • 07.30.2011 4:18 PM PDT
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  • 07.30.2011 4:22 PM PDT

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The M1A2 Abrams would annihilate the scorpion. It would do circles around it while the scorpions massive turret struggles to come to bear. Not to mention the Abrams advanced optics. Also even if the Abrams were hit by the 90 mm shell its depleted uranium should protect it fairly well. Basically just the size of the scorpion is its down fall.

[Edited on 07.30.2011 4:34 PM PDT]

  • 07.30.2011 4:33 PM PDT


Posted by: Raptorx7
The M1A2 Abrams would annihilate the scorpion. It would do circles around it while the scorpions massive turret struggles to come to bear. Not to mention the Abrams advanced optics. Also even if the Abrams were hit by the 90 mm shell its depleted uranium should protect it fairly well. Basically just the size of the scorpion is its down fall.
That's great, you're agreeing with what is already known, but we are putting it against the Grizzly and such.

  • 07.30.2011 4:40 PM PDT

"I will show you how a true Prussian officer fights!"

"And i will show you where the iron crosses grow..."

- "Cross of Iron"

The grizzly is just a beefed up scorpion. Its the same speed and it has the same turret traverse speed. Sure the 2 main guns have considerable fire power its mobility kills it. Also the rhino is an artillery piece which would also miss because of the speed of the Abrams. If an Abrams was dug in sure artillery
would annihilate it.

  • 07.30.2011 4:47 PM PDT


Posted by: Raptorx7
The grizzly is just a beefed up scorpion. Its the same speed and it has the same turret traverse speed. Sure the 2 main guns have considerable fire power its mobility kills it. Also the rhino is an artillery piece which would also miss because of the speed of the Abrams. If an Abrams was dug in sure artillery
would annihilate it.
You think Mobility is everything, a single shot from the Grizzly would cripple it and it wouldn't be able to move now would it? The Rhino is indeed an artillary peice, known for the having an incredible speed when it came to the shot fired, it would nail it, no doubt, and add to the fact it has a stronger base defense than the Grizzly, so it would withstand more shots.

  • 07.30.2011 4:56 PM PDT

"I will show you how a true Prussian officer fights!"

"And i will show you where the iron crosses grow..."

- "Cross of Iron"

Mobility is everything in armored warfare. If your tank is better armed and it can move fast you win.

  • 07.30.2011 5:13 PM PDT

We honestly don't have that much information on the scorpion.

Also, the scorpion can mount a 120 MM barrel, and it's 90mm cannon fires quicker then the Abrams.

We don't honestly know exactly what the armor on the scorpion is, but it can take on wraiths, and survive hits.

Unless the new guide book thing has a bunch of stats on the scorpion... we can't truly compare it.

  • 07.30.2011 5:14 PM PDT


Posted by: Raptorx7
Mobility is everything in armed warfare. If your tank is better armed and it can move fast you win.
Problem for you is, The Abrams isn't better armed, The Grizzly has twice the firepower of the Abrams and the Rhino has a canon three times as powerful.

[Edited on 07.30.2011 5:15 PM PDT]

  • 07.30.2011 5:15 PM PDT

Also, anybody have HARD numbers on the turret turn speed? Cause everything I remember about the Scorpion doesn't have the turret turning so damn slow.

It turns fast enough to keep on target with a fully mobile warthog, and it's cannon fires quicker then the Abrams.

  • 07.30.2011 5:16 PM PDT

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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
We honestly don't have that much information on the scorpion.

Also, the scorpion can mount a 120 MM barrel, and it's 90mm cannon fires quicker then the Abrams.

We don't honestly know exactly what the armor on the scorpion is, but it can take on wraiths, and survive hits.

Unless the new guide book thing has a bunch of stats on the scorpion... we can't truly compare it.


So how do you know it can take multiple rounds from a wraith ?
You have any evidence OTHER than gameplay ?

  • 07.30.2011 5:45 PM PDT

Weapon of Oppression

You guys Do realize it matters what tye of rounds the tanks fire right ?
M1 abraham tanks is cabale of firing kinetic energy penetrators, which are more than capable of gutting any of those tanks.

One shot from the m1 abrahams to any part of the tank is capable of crippling them.

Heck a shot to the cockpit will out right kill the operator.
Which one has a longer range, the grizzly or m1 abraham ?

  • 07.30.2011 5:50 PM PDT


Posted by: ExcellentSix

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
We honestly don't have that much information on the scorpion.

Also, the scorpion can mount a 120 MM barrel, and it's 90mm cannon fires quicker then the Abrams.

We don't honestly know exactly what the armor on the scorpion is, but it can take on wraiths, and survive hits.

Unless the new guide book thing has a bunch of stats on the scorpion... we can't truly compare it.


So how do you know it can take multiple rounds from a wraith ?
You have any evidence OTHER than gameplay ?


How do your know how weak the armor is or isn't. How do you know how fast the turret can turn, or how fast it drives?

You don't. Because the scorpion is the one basically untouched vehicle in the books, and thus has the LEAST information out about it.

  • 07.30.2011 5:56 PM PDT

"I will show you how a true Prussian officer fights!"

"And i will show you where the iron crosses grow..."

- "Cross of Iron"


Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: ExcellentSix

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
We honestly don't have that much information on the scorpion.

Also, the scorpion can mount a 120 MM barrel, and it's 90mm cannon fires quicker then the Abrams.

We don't honestly know exactly what the armor on the scorpion is, but it can take on wraiths, and survive hits.

Unless the new guide book thing has a bunch of stats on the scorpion... we can't truly compare it.


So how do you know it can take multiple rounds from a wraith ?
You have any evidence OTHER than gameplay ?


How do your know how weak the armor is or isn't. How do you know how fast the turret can turn, or how fast it drives?

You don't. Because the scorpion is the one basically untouched vehicle in the books, and thus has the LEAST information out about it.


Theres also a ton of classified things we don't know about the Abrams either. However im still confident it can destroy a scorpion and a artillery piece.

  • 07.30.2011 6:07 PM PDT

I often see the Scorpion's inferiority as a result of it being cheap to make.

You have to admit, its a very agile tank. Its a difficult to hit target, requires only one crew member, reloads extremely fast and can be outfitted with 105 mm shells.

And the neural uplink with the driver makes missing almost impossible.

I think its effective because the UNSC can pump them out very fast, much like a lot of their weapons.

[Edited on 07.30.2011 6:13 PM PDT]

  • 07.30.2011 6:10 PM PDT

Scorpion tank:
*infinite ammo
*invincible (Halo CE)

  • 07.30.2011 6:11 PM PDT


Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: ExcellentSix

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
We honestly don't have that much information on the scorpion.

Also, the scorpion can mount a 120 MM barrel, and it's 90mm cannon fires quicker then the Abrams.

We don't honestly know exactly what the armor on the scorpion is, but it can take on wraiths, and survive hits.

Unless the new guide book thing has a bunch of stats on the scorpion... we can't truly compare it.


So how do you know it can take multiple rounds from a wraith ?
You have any evidence OTHER than gameplay ?


How do your know how weak the armor is or isn't. How do you know how fast the turret can turn, or how fast it drives?

You don't. Because the scorpion is the one basically untouched vehicle in the books, and thus has the LEAST information out about it.


The Cole Protocol is the only book in the series that has anything at all to do with Scorpions, and even then its only a passing mention.

But when I read it I was honestly surprised; I had forgotten they existed in the books.

  • 07.30.2011 6:17 PM PDT

Wait, Cole Protocol talks about them?

I could've sworn the only times they show up in combat was in The Flood.

They show up in Fall of Reach and First strike, but never in combat. Just basically parked there or destroyed (that I remember)

[Edited on 07.30.2011 6:20 PM PDT]

  • 07.30.2011 6:19 PM PDT


Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Wait, Cole Protocol talks about them?

I could've sworn the only times they show up in combat was in The Flood.

They show up in Fall of Reach and First strike, but never in combat. Just basically parked there or destroyed (that I remember)


Forgot about the Flood; I only read it once years ago.

But Cole Protocol makes mention of them in terms of defensive weaponry stationed at an Inner Colony world.

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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Wait, Cole Protocol talks about them?

I could've sworn the only times they show up in combat was in The Flood.

They show up in Fall of Reach and First strike, but never in combat. Just basically parked there or destroyed (that I remember)


Forgot about the Flood; I only read it once years ago.

But Cole Protocol makes mention of them in terms of defensive weaponry stationed at an Inner Colony world.


I am re reading CP right now and all it says is that the tanks were in the ground and covered up. Thats it; they were used during "the flood" and thats where we got how they act from.


And i never got how "tank versus" are suppose to work. do they just sit right infront of each other and shoot? who is driving them? where is the battle at?

  • 07.30.2011 6:41 PM PDT

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  • 07.30.2011 6:43 PM PDT

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Wait, abram tanks fire 120mm rounds which turn into a 45mm dart???

  • 07.30.2011 6:53 PM PDT

"I will show you how a true Prussian officer fights!"

"And i will show you where the iron crosses grow..."

- "Cross of Iron"

The dart it fires uses a molten copper to pierce the armor allowing the shell to detonate inside the armor. Destroying the tank.

  • 07.30.2011 7:21 PM PDT

It's a shame that that wouldn't be useful, considering that the entire of the scorpions front is armor.
Posted by: Raptorx7
The dart it fires uses a molten copper to pierce the armor allowing the shell to detonate inside the armor. Destroying the tank.

  • 07.30.2011 8:17 PM PDT