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You guys are dumb, your going by the scorpions gameplay aspect, and since were on that subject, marines would be able to take 8 plasma hits, which we know by the books is false...

Also the scorpion uses titanium a battle armour... The same -blam!- they use on friagtes and other star ships.

  • 07.31.2011 1:32 PM PDT


Posted by: ferrrari
You guys are dumb, your going by the scorpions gameplay aspect, and since were on that subject, marines would be able to take 8 plasma hits, which we know by the books is false...

Also the scorpion uses titanium a battle armour... The same -blam!- they use on friagtes and other star ships.

  • 07.31.2011 3:54 PM PDT

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It doesn't use titanium A battle plate.
It's titanium ceramic.....
Have you not read the entire thread ?

  • 07.31.2011 5:15 PM PDT

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Posted by: ExcellentSix
It doesn't use titanium A battle plate.
It's titanium ceramic.....
Have you not read the entire thread ?

Non the less it's still some hard -blam!-, it can take a wraith shot...

That Plasma shot must at least reach 5000 degress c... If not more.

It also has to deal with other covie weapons, such as plasma pistols/rifles ect. As well as ghosts and banshees...

You would think that because of this, the armour of a scorpion would be very strong against heat...

Now correct me if i'm wrong but don't some modden day tank shells also use heat to melt away the armour of an enamy tank??? An rpg for example uses molten copper to slice away at armour... And that doesn't even hit 2000 Degrees c...

So if a scorpion can take fuel rods and wraith shots and still go on. I have no doubt that it can survive a hit from the main cannon of an abrams...

And i bet you in hell that a challenger 2 or abrams couldn't even take a fuel rod hit. Let alone a wraith shot.

  • 07.31.2011 5:27 PM PDT

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Posted by: ferrrari

Posted by: ExcellentSix
It doesn't use titanium A battle plate.
It's titanium ceramic.....
Have you not read the entire thread ?

Non the less it's still some hard -blam!-, it can take a wraith shot...

That Plasma shot must at least reach 5000 degress c... If not more.

It also has to deal with other covie weapons, such as plasma pistols/rifles ect. As well as ghosts and banshees...

You would think that because of this, the armour of a scorpion would be very strong against heat...

Now correct me if i'm wrong but don't some modden day tank shells also use heat to melt away the armour of an enamy tank??? An rpg for example uses molten copper to slice away at armour... And that doesn't even hit 2000 Degrees c...

So if a scorpion can take fuel rods and wraith shots and still go on. I have no doubt that it can survive a hit from the main cannon of an abrams...

And i bet you in hell that a challenger 2 or abrams couldn't even take a fuel rod hit. Let alone a wraith shot.

Canonically scorpion gets destroyed by one wraith shot.

EDIT: And modern tanks actually use kinetic penetrators, not heat based weapons.

[Edited on 07.31.2011 5:46 PM PDT]

  • 07.31.2011 5:42 PM PDT


Posted by: Gamer Whale
[/quote]Canonically scorpion gets destroyed by one wraith shot.


Source?

  • 07.31.2011 5:50 PM PDT

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Posted by: ferrrari

Posted by: ExcellentSix
It doesn't use titanium A battle plate.
It's titanium ceramic.....
Have you not read the entire thread ?

Non the less it's still some hard -blam!-, it can take a wraith shot...

That Plasma shot must at least reach 5000 degress c... If not more.

It also has to deal with other covie weapons, such as plasma pistols/rifles ect. As well as ghosts and banshees...

You would think that because of this, the armour of a scorpion would be very strong against heat...

Now correct me if i'm wrong but don't some modden day tank shells also use heat to melt away the armour of an enamy tank??? An rpg for example uses molten copper to slice away at armour... And that doesn't even hit 2000 Degrees c...

So if a scorpion can take fuel rods and wraith shots and still go on. I have no doubt that it can survive a hit from the main cannon of an abrams...

And i bet you in hell that a challenger 2 or abrams couldn't even take a fuel rod hit. Let alone a wraith shot.

Canonically scorpion gets destroyed by one wraith shot.

EDIT: And modern tanks actually use kinetic penetrators, not heat based weapons.

Not all of them, some use heat based.,,, They have diffrent rounds.

But people in this thread keep using the scorpions gameplay power... So in that way it can take 2 wraith shots...

  • 07.31.2011 5:56 PM PDT


Posted by: ferrrari
You guys are dumb, your going by the scorpions gameplay aspect, and since were on that subject, marines would be able to take 8 plasma hits, which we know by the books is false...

Also the scorpion uses titanium a battle armour... The same -blam!- they use on friagtes and other star ships.


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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: Gamer Whale
[/quote]Canonically scorpion gets destroyed by one wraith shot.


Source?
Ragnok says: The Flood, chapter 6. Right after the Marine shoots the Blue Elite instead of the Gold one. Gameplay is not canon, Scorpions can't survive multiple shots.

  • 07.31.2011 6:09 PM PDT


Posted by: Xd00999

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: Gamer Whale
Canonically scorpion gets destroyed by one wraith shot.


Source?
Ragnok says: The Flood, chapter 6. Right after the Marine shoots the Blue Elite instead of the Gold one. Gameplay is not canon, Scorpions can't survive multiple shots.


I don't have the book to check, but I remember for a fact there was FOUR tanks recovered from the PoA, and NONE of them were destroyed on the trip to the base.

  • 07.31.2011 6:17 PM PDT

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It does say a wraith shot obliterates everything in a (I forgot the exact number, like 20 meters?) radius.


  • 07.31.2011 7:39 PM PDT

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Posted by: ferrrari

Posted by: ExcellentSix
It doesn't use titanium A battle plate.
It's titanium ceramic.....
Have you not read the entire thread ?

Non the less it's still some hard -blam!-, it can take a wraith shot...

That Plasma shot must at least reach 5000 degress c... If not more.

It also has to deal with other covie weapons, such as plasma pistols/rifles ect. As well as ghosts and banshees...

You would think that because of this, the armour of a scorpion would be very strong against heat...

Now correct me if i'm wrong but don't some modden day tank shells also use heat to melt away the armour of an enamy tank??? An rpg for example uses molten copper to slice away at armour... And that doesn't even hit 2000 Degrees c...

So if a scorpion can take fuel rods and wraith shots and still go on. I have no doubt that it can survive a hit from the main cannon of an abrams...

And i bet you in hell that a challenger 2 or abrams couldn't even take a fuel rod hit. Let alone a wraith shot.



WTF ??
Ok your facts need to be corrected, some of those rounds that use molten copper are SHAPED explosives, which eject the needle thin molten jet of copper at extreme velocities, frying everything inside the tank, and the m1 abrahams is designed to withstand direct impacts from the rounds, kinetic energy penetration, and RPgs.
And rpgs travel at mach 1 and faster, all that kinetic energy as well as the shaped charge is devastating and yet the m1 is virtually imperious to it.
You absolutely cannot compare those rounds to the goubles of plasma used by Wraith tanks.
think about this, what would penetrate skin better a needle or a baseball ?

And I am damned sure they would be able to tank a hit from a single fuel rod and more.
The main turret of the scorpion tank is far too exposed, too tall, the cockpit is exposed to enemy fire, a single well aimed shell would be more than enough to take care of the tank. Tank gunners are trained to fire directly at the central mass of a tank, guess where that is....

  • 07.31.2011 7:47 PM PDT

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Posted by: ferrrari
You guys are dumb, your going by the scorpions gameplay aspect, and since were on that subject, marines would be able to take 8 plasma hits, which we know by the books is false...

Also the scorpion uses titanium a battle armour... The same -blam!- they use on friagtes and other star ships.


Besides you have any cannon statistics for the scorpion tank, or are you going use the troll logic and claim that...its from the future so it must be more powerful ?

  • 07.31.2011 7:51 PM PDT

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Posted by: ExcellentSix

Posted by: ferrrari

Posted by: ExcellentSix
It doesn't use titanium A battle plate.
It's titanium ceramic.....
Have you not read the entire thread ?

Non the less it's still some hard -blam!-, it can take a wraith shot...

That Plasma shot must at least reach 5000 degress c... If not more.

It also has to deal with other covie weapons, such as plasma pistols/rifles ect. As well as ghosts and banshees...

You would think that because of this, the armour of a scorpion would be very strong against heat...

Now correct me if i'm wrong but don't some modden day tank shells also use heat to melt away the armour of an enamy tank??? An rpg for example uses molten copper to slice away at armour... And that doesn't even hit 2000 Degrees c...

So if a scorpion can take fuel rods and wraith shots and still go on. I have no doubt that it can survive a hit from the main cannon of an abrams...

And i bet you in hell that a challenger 2 or abrams couldn't even take a fuel rod hit. Let alone a wraith shot.



WTF ??
Ok your facts need to be corrected, some of those rounds that use molten copper are SHAPED explosives, which eject the needle thin molten jet of copper at extreme velocities, frying everything inside the tank, and the m1 abrahams is designed to withstand direct impacts from the rounds, kinetic energy penetration, and RPgs.
And rpgs travel at mach 1 and faster, all that kinetic energy as well as the shaped charge is devastating and yet the m1 is virtually imperious to it.
You absolutely cannot compare those rounds to the goubles of plasma used by Wraith tanks.
think about this, what would penetrate skin better a needle or a baseball ?

And I am damned sure they would be able to tank a hit from a single fuel rod and more.
The main turret of the scorpion tank is far too exposed, too tall, the cockpit is exposed to enemy fire, a single well aimed shell would be more than enough to take care of the tank. Tank gunners are trained to fire directly at the central mass of a tank, guess where that is....


This. The scorpions profile is to large. The Abrams tanks profile is much smaller. The scorpion is a big target which make its extremely easy to hit, including its turret which is basically out in the middle of nowhere.

  • 07.31.2011 7:57 PM PDT

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Finally, someone that has common sense.

  • 07.31.2011 8:07 PM PDT

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The scorpion uses it's shape to take cover more effectivley, like in the flood when they were placed in pits with only the turret exposed.

  • 07.31.2011 8:08 PM PDT

The scorpions profile is too large?

Last I remember, the main body of the tank is shorter then the Abrams, thus making it a harder target to hit.

+ with four treads wouldn't it's maneuverability be greater?

Also, if the Scorpion is a 'light' tank, why not compare it to a modern light tank?

Though... in response to two lines from earlier.

A: Wraith blast obliterating everything in 20 meters doesn't say "If there is a tank there, it's gone."

B: So... if somebody doesn't agree with you, they lack common sense?

  • 07.31.2011 8:11 PM PDT

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Faron, they were talking about obliterating a convoy with tanks... I doubt they could survive a hit, though neither could an abrams (imo) anyway this thread isnt about that.

  • 07.31.2011 8:16 PM PDT

Okay then, how many 90 mm anti-tank rounds can the Abrams take? Specifically of the 90mm tungsten Armor Piercing Ballistic Capped Round style.

  • 07.31.2011 8:22 PM PDT

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Id say one hit KO, but the Scorpions armor is largely a mystery...

  • 07.31.2011 8:23 PM PDT


Posted by: Xd00999

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: Gamer Whale
[/quote]Canonically scorpion gets destroyed by one wraith shot.


Source?
Ragnok says: The Flood, chapter 6. Right after the Marine shoots the Blue Elite instead of the Gold one. Gameplay is not canon, Scorpions can't survive multiple shots.


Well if this is true, then we're going by more realistic standards instead of gameplay, so yes, it would be faster, it's armor would be more advanced, and could take multiple RPGs, it's gun is more powerful, so it would probably win against an Abrams.

  • 07.31.2011 8:32 PM PDT


Posted by: ExcellentSix

Posted by: ferrrari

Posted by: ExcellentSix
It doesn't use titanium A battle plate.
It's titanium ceramic.....
Have you not read the entire thread ?

Non the less it's still some hard -blam!-, it can take a wraith shot...

That Plasma shot must at least reach 5000 degress c... If not more.

It also has to deal with other covie weapons, such as plasma pistols/rifles ect. As well as ghosts and banshees...

You would think that because of this, the armour of a scorpion would be very strong against heat...

Now correct me if i'm wrong but don't some modden day tank shells also use heat to melt away the armour of an enamy tank??? An rpg for example uses molten copper to slice away at armour... And that doesn't even hit 2000 Degrees c...

So if a scorpion can take fuel rods and wraith shots and still go on. I have no doubt that it can survive a hit from the main cannon of an abrams...

And i bet you in hell that a challenger 2 or abrams couldn't even take a fuel rod hit. Let alone a wraith shot.



think about this, what would penetrate skin better a needle or a baseball ?



how about, which would -blam!- you up more: a needle or a baseball that's 5000 c?

  • 07.31.2011 8:35 PM PDT


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Posted by: ExcellentSix

Posted by: ferrrari

Posted by: ExcellentSix
It doesn't use titanium A battle plate.
It's titanium ceramic.....
Have you not read the entire thread ?

Non the less it's still some hard -blam!-, it can take a wraith shot...

That Plasma shot must at least reach 5000 degress c... If not more.

It also has to deal with other covie weapons, such as plasma pistols/rifles ect. As well as ghosts and banshees...

You would think that because of this, the armour of a scorpion would be very strong against heat...

Now correct me if i'm wrong but don't some modden day tank shells also use heat to melt away the armour of an enamy tank??? An rpg for example uses molten copper to slice away at armour... And that doesn't even hit 2000 Degrees c...

So if a scorpion can take fuel rods and wraith shots and still go on. I have no doubt that it can survive a hit from the main cannon of an abrams...

And i bet you in hell that a challenger 2 or abrams couldn't even take a fuel rod hit. Let alone a wraith shot.



think about this, what would penetrate skin better a needle or a baseball ?



how about, which would -blam!- you up more: a needle or a baseball that's 5000 c?


I think this guy slept through physics class.

  • 07.31.2011 8:47 PM PDT
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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Okay then, how many 90 mm anti-tank rounds can the Abrams take? Specifically of the 90mm tungsten Armor Piercing Ballistic Capped Round style.

Source? I don't believe Scorpion rounds are ever specified in any Novel.

  • 07.31.2011 8:50 PM PDT

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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Okay then, how many 90 mm anti-tank rounds can the Abrams take? Specifically of the 90mm tungsten Armor Piercing Ballistic Capped Round style.

Source? I don't believe Scorpion rounds are ever specified in any Novel.


Here you go

  • 07.31.2011 8:54 PM PDT