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Posted by: Makko Mace
Posted by: raganok99
Posted by: Makko Mace
Posted by: raganok99
What? Wasn't it was over that Abrams beats Scorpions easily? Oh come on, several guys already explained that! read their posts again! And I have no choice but bring my post up again.
Scorpion is useless against Wraith anyway. their Titanium-A armor is useless against plasma. It has been proven countlessly that titanium-A aren't designed to withstand 5,000c direct plasma hit! And plasma mortar obliterating in 20 meters, Look this word of obliterating. It means destroying EVERYTHING in 20 meters. And, 90 mm high velocity is useless against wraith as well, it takes two to three shots to take it down.
So you reason, because the Scorpion cannot kill a wraith with 1 shot or survive a " 5,000c direct plasma hit" "obliterating in 20 meters" It is worse than an Abrams.
I am sorry but Abrams wins on this. Because 90mm high velocity is useless to Abrams because Abram's armor is made of depleted uranium, Rh armor and Chobham armor, which it is designed to stop any kinetic energy penetration warhead, HEAT rounds, RPGS and high heat warhead as well. I would suggest you to research about Abrams and Scorpions before you post.
Because the Abrams has X armor the Scorpion is worse.
Also, there is massive flaws in design of Scorpions, I'm afraid. Their large profile makes this Scorpions a big target and easy to hit. Also, they have vulnerable cockpit and exposed turret.
Turret design is made for shooting over or around things, but yes, it's profile is bigger. The cockipit varies from model to model, take a look at the variant from Halo 1.
Also Abrams does have 120mm high velocity smooth-bore cannon, with rounds of kinetic penetration warhead with depleted uranium dipped in arrow shaped that can penetrate armor like tungsten.
The gun on the Abrams can penetrate an undisclosed thickness of a metal not used in the armor of the Scorpion, therefore it is superior.
Therefore, Abrams wins.
Halo Nation is not acceptable source because it is full of errors, no canon sources to back it up and grammar errors is there too. So it discredits the site greatly. In future, please do not use that site ever again. This time, go look for hard source (novels and encyclopedia) that states that scorpion using that round.
You do realize that a lack of information about the Scorpion does not make it inferior?
You have made one valid point. "The Scorpion has a big profile."
I'm not super pro scorpion or any thing, I just can't help but notice these arguments hold no water what so ever. Do to Bungie not knowing much about warfare, I could see the Scorpion being dismally inferior, but as of yet no one has prove this with valid arguments and facts.
like what? You provided a non-creditable site A.K.A Halo nation. It makes your argument void too.
And, I'm pretty sure that Abrams have better armor and better firepower than scorpion... Please, research it before you make claims, okay? Research is extremely essential to making your arguments to stand in this thread. I know what I am talking about because of my family member is in military and I learned lot about our military.
Also, I'm pretty SURE that Abram's 120mm cannon with kinetic penerator warhead with depleted uranium casing is much better than 90mm HE shells. Also, Abrams can avoid plasma mortars by fighting in extreme long ranges like five miles or more.
For citing sources, I would suggest you to go this thread: Don't use wikia, etc
Honestly I don't think there is enough info on the Scorpion to really say one way or another, but what in my pointing out that your arguments were completely invalid used wiki information?
Because Wikipedia information aren't fully credible because of "summary" information there, not full detailed like books or articles or whatever. Only info missing about Scorpion is that range of 90mm cannon, muzzle velocity, speed, thickness of armor, that's all. Not much info are missing, actually.
And let you know, I don't use Wikipedia at all. If you're in college, you should know that most of professors don't accept the Wikipedia as source. Same thing with halo universe discussions on debates/theories, must provide hard source instead of Wikipedia.