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Subject: Why Didn't the Flood Steal Forward Unto Dawn?

Johnson landed Forward Unto Dawn out in the open. Why didn't the Flood just steal it, and escape the Ark?
Did Johnson disable the Dawn's controls to where only Cortana could pilot it?

[Edited on 07.30.2011 7:17 PM PDT]

  • 07.30.2011 5:49 PM PDT

Good question

  • 07.30.2011 5:53 PM PDT

Because the flood arrived after Johnson, and the gravemind was entirely focused on stopping Chief from reaching the control room.

  • 07.30.2011 5:54 PM PDT

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Not like they would've gotten very far.

  • 07.30.2011 5:58 PM PDT


Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Because the flood arrived after Johnson, and the gravemind was entirely focused on stopping Chief from reaching the control room.


But that argues against logic. Even if Chief succeeded, a part of the Flood force could have easily boarded the Dawn.
Besides, why wasn't the Dawn stolen when Chief actually did reach the control room? Why didn't the Flood just steal it then?

  • 07.30.2011 5:59 PM PDT


Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Not like they would've gotten very far.


Why is that?

  • 07.30.2011 6:00 PM PDT

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They were probably too far away from it, and the sentinals possibly. Had a big enough resence as to thwart the oncoming waves of flood spreading throughout both the ark and the ring.

  • 07.30.2011 6:00 PM PDT


Posted by: ExcellentSix
They were probably too far away from it, and the sentinals possibly. Had a big enough resence as to thwart the oncoming waves of flood spreading throughout both the ark and the ring.


The Flood dropped from everywhere in their "Flood dispersal pods". They could have easily just landed beside or on the Frigate, not having to run a great distance, and would face very little trouble from the Sentinels.

  • 07.30.2011 6:02 PM PDT

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Not like they would've gotten very far.


Why is that?

Let's see.

There only escape route would be the Ark Portal and what was waiting outside of it's exit? A fleet of Elite and Human ships. And considering Mendicant Bias had control of the portal's destinations, he could just toss it into a sun or black hole if they got on it.

  • 07.30.2011 6:06 PM PDT


Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: BlueRuby2k10

Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Not like they would've gotten very far.


Why is that?

Let's see.

There only escape route would be the Ark Portal and what was waiting outside of it's exit? A fleet of Elite and Human ships. And considering Mendicant Bias had control of the portal's destinations, he could just toss it into a sun or black hole if they got on it.


How do you know Mendicant Bias would automatically know there were Flood, and not just Chief, Arbiter, Cortana, Johnson and Spark on the ship?
And there is no way fast enough for the UNSC to know if the ship had Flood on it or not. You saw how fast the Flood entered into, and spread all over Voi. If attacking Earth would take too long, the Flood could have still spread itself by extreme means, such as launching themselves off of the Frigate, and onto Defense Platforms, ships, whatever, entering into them without the UNSC's knowledge, soon having the whole fleet under the Flood's control, and soon, Earth.

[Edited on 07.30.2011 6:11 PM PDT]

  • 07.30.2011 6:10 PM PDT
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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

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IT wouldn't make sense.


the entire team on installation 04 II would be very good combat forms, not to mention the Gravemind clearly knows thigns about chief that we do not.

So it was smarter to just try stopping him from activating the ring and then destroy it rather than running away. the flood wouldn't have anywhere to go since the galaxy would team up to fight them.

So it was a small army vs 3

or a small army verse the galaxy.

not a hard concept.

  • 07.30.2011 6:11 PM PDT

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Not like they would've gotten very far.


Why is that?

Let's see.

There only escape route would be the Ark Portal and what was waiting outside of it's exit? A fleet of Elite and Human ships. And considering Mendicant Bias had control of the portal's destinations, he could just toss it into a sun or black hole if they got on it.


How do you know Mendicant Bias would automatically know there were Flood, and not just Chief, Arbiter, Cortana, Johnson and Spark on the ship?
And there is no way fast enough for the UNSC to know if the ship had Flood on it or not. You saw how fast the Flood entered into, and spread all over Voi. If attacking Earth would take too long, the Flood could have still spread itself by extreme means, such as launching themselves off of the Frigate, and onto Defense Platforms, ships, whatever, soon having the whole fleet under the Flood's control, and soon, Earth.


You don't give Mendicant Bias enough credit.

  • 07.30.2011 6:12 PM PDT


Posted by: grey101
IT wouldn't make sense.


the entire team on installation 04 II would be very good combat forms, not to mention the Gravemind clearly knows thigns about chief that we do not.

So it was smarter to just try stopping him from activating the ring and then destroy it rather than running away. the flood wouldn't have anywhere to go since the galaxy would team up to fight them.

So it was a small army vs 3

or a small army verse the galaxy.

not a hard concept.


You're vastly underestimating the capability of the Flood. They're clearly capable of spread within an extremely short period of time. Read my previous post for elaboration.

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?


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Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Not like they would've gotten very far.[/quote]

Why is that?[/quote]
Let's see.

There only escape route would be the Ark Portal and what was waiting outside of it's exit? A fleet of Elite and Human ships. And considering Mendicant Bias had control of the portal's destinations, he could just toss it into a sun or black hole if they got on it.


How do you know Mendicant Bias would automatically know there were Flood, and not just Chief, Arbiter, Cortana, Johnson and Spark on the ship?
And there is no way fast enough for the UNSC to know if the ship had Flood on it or not. You saw how fast the Flood entered into, and spread all over Voi. If attacking Earth would take too long, the Flood could have still spread itself by extreme means, such as launching themselves off of the Frigate, and onto Defense Platforms, ships, whatever, entering into them without the UNSC's knowledge, soon having the whole fleet under the Flood's control, and soon, Earth.


um because it is medicant bias, you clearly have not even the slightest clue what that AI is capable of.


Seeing how chief clearly knew the flood were on that CSS i beg to differ. And if it were that easy they would have done that to begin with using that 1 ship that got in.

and if a ODP got compromised the thing would be a sitting duck.

  • 07.30.2011 6:15 PM PDT


Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: BlueRuby2k10

Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: BlueRuby2k10

Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Not like they would've gotten very far.


Why is that?

Let's see.

There only escape route would be the Ark Portal and what was waiting outside of it's exit? A fleet of Elite and Human ships. And considering Mendicant Bias had control of the portal's destinations, he could just toss it into a sun or black hole if they got on it.


How do you know Mendicant Bias would automatically know there were Flood, and not just Chief, Arbiter, Cortana, Johnson and Spark on the ship?
And there is no way fast enough for the UNSC to know if the ship had Flood on it or not. You saw how fast the Flood entered into, and spread all over Voi. If attacking Earth would take too long, the Flood could have still spread itself by extreme means, such as launching themselves off of the Frigate, and onto Defense Platforms, ships, whatever, soon having the whole fleet under the Flood's control, and soon, Earth.


You don't give Mendicant Bias enough credit.


Well truth be told, I never read through the Terminals. And that's where I fall short. Still, didn't the Dawn have a Slipspace drive? Couldn't it have just followed set coordinates back to Earth, if not a random location, perhaps stumbling upon an entirely different race to infect? Just exploring all of the possible outcomes.

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?


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Posted by: grey101
IT wouldn't make sense.


the entire team on installation 04 II would be very good combat forms, not to mention the Gravemind clearly knows thigns about chief that we do not.

So it was smarter to just try stopping him from activating the ring and then destroy it rather than running away. the flood wouldn't have anywhere to go since the galaxy would team up to fight them.

So it was a small army vs 3

or a small army verse the galaxy.

not a hard concept.


You're vastly underestimating the capability of the Flood. They're clearly capable of spread within an extremely short period of time. Read my previous post for elaboration.


I think i am aware what the flood can do.

you do understand the only reason the flood beat the forerunners WAS because of medicant bias right? If he didn't defect the forerunners would have won.


you are underestimating him, greatly. Like calling superman a mall cop.

  • 07.30.2011 6:16 PM PDT

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Posted by: BlueRuby2k10
Well truth be told, I never read through the Terminals. And that's where I fall short. Still, didn't the Dawn have a Slipspace drive? Couldn't it have just followed set coordinates back to Earth, if not a random location, perhaps stumbling upon an entirely different race to infect? Just exploring all of the possible outcomes.


Nor Cryptum apparently. Bias worked for the Flood for the entirety of the Forerunner-Flood War and 43 years before the conflict broke out. If anyone would know what something Flood controlled looked like, it would be Bias.

Also, throughout the Ark, Bias kept Chief safe. If Bias could do that, you honestly think he wouldn't notice the Flood?

The Ark Portal, from the information so far is programmed to have various exits, hence why the Halos were sent to various parts of the galaxy. However, those destinations are programmed in by the controller of the portal. Who controlled it? Bias.

  • 07.30.2011 6:18 PM PDT


Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: BlueRuby2k10
Well truth be told, I never read through the Terminals. And that's where I fall short. Still, didn't the Dawn have a Slipspace drive? Couldn't it have just followed set coordinates back to Earth, if not a random location, perhaps stumbling upon an entirely different race to infect? Just exploring all of the possible outcomes.


Nor Cryptum apparently. Bias worked for the Flood for the entirety of the Forerunner-Flood War and 43 years before the conflict broke out. If anyone would know what something Flood controlled looked like, it would be Bias.

Also, throughout the Ark, Bias kept Chief safe. If Bias could do that, you honestly think he wouldn't notice the Flood?

The Ark Portal, from the information so far is programmed to have various exits, hence why the Halos were sent to various parts of the galaxy. However, those destinations are programmed in by the controller of the portal. Who controlled it? Bias.


My Slipspace drive question still wasn't answered.

But as a side question, what in the world did Bias do throughout the Ark that kept Chief safe? Nothing I noticed.

[Edited on 07.30.2011 6:22 PM PDT]

  • 07.30.2011 6:21 PM PDT

"Find where the liar hides, so that I may place my boot between his gums!" - Rtas 'Vadum

Assuming that the Flood even knows that the Dawn is there.

Also, how is the Flood supposed to get inside the ship? It is hovering several dozen metres over a unimaginably deep crevice.

  • 07.30.2011 6:22 PM PDT


Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: BlueRuby2k10
Well truth be told, I never read through the Terminals. And that's where I fall short. Still, didn't the Dawn have a Slipspace drive? Couldn't it have just followed set coordinates back to Earth, if not a random location, perhaps stumbling upon an entirely different race to infect? Just exploring all of the possible outcomes.


Nor Cryptum apparently. Bias worked for the Flood for the entirety of the Forerunner-Flood War and 43 years before the conflict broke out. If anyone would know what something Flood controlled looked like, it would be Bias.

Also, throughout the Ark, Bias kept Chief safe. If Bias could do that, you honestly think he wouldn't notice the Flood?

The Ark Portal, from the information so far is programmed to have various exits, hence why the Halos were sent to various parts of the galaxy. However, those destinations are programmed in by the controller of the portal. Who controlled it? Bias.


He met the Gravemind 257 years into the war; the rogue Halo disappeared 43 years before the events of Cryptum. As was the case in the terminals, he only reappeared and started destroying everything at the very end. Bias or not, the Flood was demolishing the Forerunners left and right for 300 years, he only sped up the process (and probably gave the Flood easier access to the Maginot Sphere).

People really underestimate the Flood....

  • 07.30.2011 6:23 PM PDT


Posted by: anton1792
Assuming that the Flood even knows that the Dawn is there.

Also, how is the Flood supposed to get inside the ship? It is hovering several dozen metres over a unimaginably deep crevice.


I really don't think a crevice would stop them.

  • 07.30.2011 6:24 PM PDT

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  • 07.30.2011 6:24 PM PDT

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Posted by: BlueRuby2k10

Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: BlueRuby2k10
Well truth be told, I never read through the Terminals. And that's where I fall short. Still, didn't the Dawn have a Slipspace drive? Couldn't it have just followed set coordinates back to Earth, if not a random location, perhaps stumbling upon an entirely different race to infect? Just exploring all of the possible outcomes.


Nor Cryptum apparently. Bias worked for the Flood for the entirety of the Forerunner-Flood War and 43 years before the conflict broke out. If anyone would know what something Flood controlled looked like, it would be Bias.

Also, throughout the Ark, Bias kept Chief safe. If Bias could do that, you honestly think he wouldn't notice the Flood?

The Ark Portal, from the information so far is programmed to have various exits, hence why the Halos were sent to various parts of the galaxy. However, those destinations are programmed in by the controller of the portal. Who controlled it? Bias.


My Slipspace drive question still wasn't answered.

But as a side question, what in the world did Bias do throughout the Ark that kept Chief safe? Nothing I noticed.


Opened doors and the like, it's mentioned in the Terminals. And sure, perhaps the Flood could've done a 180 and high tail it to Earth, but considering the Ark is outside the galaxy and if the Dawn was gone for so long, it would look suspicious if it came back to Earth out of the blue.

  • 07.30.2011 6:25 PM PDT

He closed the control room doors to prevent the flood from entering behind chief. He kept the platforms stable as long as possible.

Anyway, if they grabbed Dawn and just tried to jump out. The Ark is beyond the rim of the galaxy. They wouldn't reach ANYWHERE, ANYTIME soon.

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?


Posted by: BlueRuby2k10

Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: BlueRuby2k10
Well truth be told, I never read through the Terminals. And that's where I fall short. Still, didn't the Dawn have a Slipspace drive? Couldn't it have just followed set coordinates back to Earth, if not a random location, perhaps stumbling upon an entirely different race to infect? Just exploring all of the possible outcomes.


Nor Cryptum apparently. Bias worked for the Flood for the entirety of the Forerunner-Flood War and 43 years before the conflict broke out. If anyone would know what something Flood controlled looked like, it would be Bias.

Also, throughout the Ark, Bias kept Chief safe. If Bias could do that, you honestly think he wouldn't notice the Flood?

The Ark Portal, from the information so far is programmed to have various exits, hence why the Halos were sent to various parts of the galaxy. However, those destinations are programmed in by the controller of the portal. Who controlled it? Bias.


My Slipspace drive question still wasn't answered.

But as a side question, what in the world did Bias do throughout the Ark that kept Chief safe? Nothing I noticed.


because it is a irrelevant question, why would it not have a slipspace drive? did the elites take it? yes it still has a slipspace drive.

You really need to read the terminals, he is the one that sent chief's half of the dawn to the planet.

Look them up on halopedian, that is one of the few things that site is good for.

  • 07.30.2011 6:26 PM PDT