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Subject: Why Didn't the Flood Steal Forward Unto Dawn?

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Posted by: BlueRuby2k10
Posted by: anton1792
Assuming that the Flood even knows that the Dawn is there.

Also, how is the Flood supposed to get inside the ship? It is hovering several dozen metres over a unimaginably deep crevice.


I really don't think a crevice would stop them.


I heard they invented a thing called gravity recently, I think it's just a fad...

  • 07.30.2011 6:26 PM PDT


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Well truth be told, I never read through the Terminals. And that's where I fall short. Still, didn't the Dawn have a Slipspace drive? Couldn't it have just followed set coordinates back to Earth, if not a random location, perhaps stumbling upon an entirely different race to infect? Just exploring all of the possible outcomes.


Nor Cryptum apparently. Bias worked for the Flood for the entirety of the Forerunner-Flood War and 43 years before the conflict broke out. If anyone would know what something Flood controlled looked like, it would be Bias.

Also, throughout the Ark, Bias kept Chief safe. If Bias could do that, you honestly think he wouldn't notice the Flood?

The Ark Portal, from the information so far is programmed to have various exits, hence why the Halos were sent to various parts of the galaxy. However, those destinations are programmed in by the controller of the portal. Who controlled it? Bias.


My Slipspace drive question still wasn't answered.

But as a side question, what in the world did Bias do throughout the Ark that kept Chief safe? Nothing I noticed.


Opened doors and the like, it's mentioned in the Terminals. And sure, perhaps the Flood could've done a 180 and high tail it to Earth, but considering the Ark is outside the galaxy and if the Dawn was gone for so long, it would look suspicious if it came back to Earth out of the blue.


It's not like the UNSC had wide-spread knowledge of Bias. They couldn't assume something like that just because the ship enters into the galaxy by different means.

[Edited on 07.30.2011 6:29 PM PDT]

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Posted by: anton1792
Assuming that the Flood even knows that the Dawn is there.

Also, how is the Flood supposed to get inside the ship? It is hovering several dozen metres over a unimaginably deep crevice.


I really don't think a crevice would stop them.


They can't fly, and there would be no other way to get on it. hence them just waiting for you at the end.

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

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Well truth be told, I never read through the Terminals. And that's where I fall short. Still, didn't the Dawn have a Slipspace drive? Couldn't it have just followed set coordinates back to Earth, if not a random location, perhaps stumbling upon an entirely different race to infect? Just exploring all of the possible outcomes. [/quote]

Nor Cryptum apparently. Bias worked for the Flood for the entirety of the Forerunner-Flood War and 43 years before the conflict broke out. If anyone would know what something Flood controlled looked like, it would be Bias.

Also, throughout the Ark, Bias kept Chief safe. If Bias could do that, you honestly think he wouldn't notice the Flood?

The Ark Portal, from the information so far is programmed to have various exits, hence why the Halos were sent to various parts of the galaxy. However, those destinations are programmed in by the controller of the portal. Who controlled it? Bias.[/quote]

My Slipspace drive question still wasn't answered.

But as a side question, what in the world did Bias do throughout the Ark that kept Chief safe? Nothing I noticed.


Opened doors and the like, it's mentioned in the Terminals. And sure, perhaps the Flood could've done a 180 and high tail it to Earth, but considering the Ark is outside the galaxy and if the Dawn was gone for so long, it would look suspicious if it came back to Earth out of the blue.


It's not like the UNSC had wide-spread knowledge of Bias. They could assume something like that just because the ship enters into the galaxy by different means.


IT would look very odd if a ship just jumps in atmosphere and crashes without trying to make any kind of contact.

[Edited on 07.30.2011 6:29 PM PDT]

  • 07.30.2011 6:28 PM PDT


Posted by: ajw34307
Posted by: BlueRuby2k10
Posted by: anton1792
Assuming that the Flood even knows that the Dawn is there.

Also, how is the Flood supposed to get inside the ship? It is hovering several dozen metres over a unimaginably deep crevice.


I really don't think a crevice would stop them.


I heard they invented a thing called gravity recently, I think it's just a fad...


*facepalm*
Flood Dispersal Pods would probably REALLY help them get onto the Frigate without trouble.
Not to mention that the Flood can jump ungodly heights. They could have EASILY leaped into the hanger of the Frigate in the same way Master Chief did.

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Posted by: anton1792
Assuming that the Flood even knows that the Dawn is there.

Also, how is the Flood supposed to get inside the ship? It is hovering several dozen metres over a unimaginably deep crevice.


I really don't think a crevice would stop them.


They can't fly, and there would be no other way to get on it. hence them just waiting for you at the end.

Flood swarms from Halo Wars could fly. We don't see them during the warthog run, obviously.

Edit @ruby: Chief had a warthog, the flood don't. If they do manage to land dispersal pods they would have to get through a few meters of titanium to get in the Dawn which would take a long amount of time.

[Edited on 07.30.2011 6:31 PM PDT]

  • 07.30.2011 6:29 PM PDT

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Posted by: BlueRuby2k10
Well truth be told, I never read through the Terminals. And that's where I fall short. Still, didn't the Dawn have a Slipspace drive? Couldn't it have just followed set coordinates back to Earth, if not a random location, perhaps stumbling upon an entirely different race to infect? Just exploring all of the possible outcomes.


Nor Cryptum apparently. Bias worked for the Flood for the entirety of the Forerunner-Flood War and 43 years before the conflict broke out. If anyone would know what something Flood controlled looked like, it would be Bias.

Also, throughout the Ark, Bias kept Chief safe. If Bias could do that, you honestly think he wouldn't notice the Flood?

The Ark Portal, from the information so far is programmed to have various exits, hence why the Halos were sent to various parts of the galaxy. However, those destinations are programmed in by the controller of the portal. Who controlled it? Bias.


My Slipspace drive question still wasn't answered.

But as a side question, what in the world did Bias do throughout the Ark that kept Chief safe? Nothing I noticed.


Opened doors and the like, it's mentioned in the Terminals. And sure, perhaps the Flood could've done a 180 and high tail it to Earth, but considering the Ark is outside the galaxy and if the Dawn was gone for so long, it would look suspicious if it came back to Earth out of the blue.


It's not like the UNSC had wide-spread knowledge of Bias. They could assume something like that just because the ship enters into the galaxy by different means.


*This is going by your "The Flood use the core Slipspace drive of the Dawn to escape the Ark and not use the main portal*

You mean to tell me the UNSC would be sitting in their control rooms with their thumbs up their asses and let a ship that disappeared years ago from a mysterious alien installation that was crawling with alien zombie parasites waltz right on through Earth's defenses let alone get close to them?

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Posted by: anton1792
Assuming that the Flood even knows that the Dawn is there.

Also, how is the Flood supposed to get inside the ship? It is hovering several dozen metres over a unimaginably deep crevice.[/quote]

I really don't think a crevice would stop them.[/quote]

They can't fly, and there would be no other way to get on it. hence them just waiting for you at the end.

Flood swarms from Halo Wars could fly. We don't see them during the warthog run, obviously.


we don't know what that was about though.

The bomber form clearly looks like an infected engineer (which was said not to be and couldn't happen) despite there being two in halo legends.

The swarmer forms could be infect wildlife.

  • 07.30.2011 6:31 PM PDT


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Posted by: BlueRuby2k10
Well truth be told, I never read through the Terminals. And that's where I fall short. Still, didn't the Dawn have a Slipspace drive? Couldn't it have just followed set coordinates back to Earth, if not a random location, perhaps stumbling upon an entirely different race to infect? Just exploring all of the possible outcomes. [/quote]

Nor Cryptum apparently. Bias worked for the Flood for the entirety of the Forerunner-Flood War and 43 years before the conflict broke out. If anyone would know what something Flood controlled looked like, it would be Bias.

Also, throughout the Ark, Bias kept Chief safe. If Bias could do that, you honestly think he wouldn't notice the Flood?

The Ark Portal, from the information so far is programmed to have various exits, hence why the Halos were sent to various parts of the galaxy. However, those destinations are programmed in by the controller of the portal. Who controlled it? Bias.[/quote]

My Slipspace drive question still wasn't answered.

But as a side question, what in the world did Bias do throughout the Ark that kept Chief safe? Nothing I noticed.


Opened doors and the like, it's mentioned in the Terminals. And sure, perhaps the Flood could've done a 180 and high tail it to Earth, but considering the Ark is outside the galaxy and if the Dawn was gone for so long, it would look suspicious if it came back to Earth out of the blue.


It's not like the UNSC had wide-spread knowledge of Bias. They could assume something like that just because the ship enters into the galaxy by different means.


IT would look very odd if a ship just jumps in atmosphere and crashes without trying to make any kind of contact.


You're not taking note of the possibilities. The Flood could have leaped onto other ships and platforms they passed by as they made their way down to Earth.
And once again, the Flood can spread themselves extremely quickly qithin a short period of time. Within about a day, they could have an entire continent under their control.

  • 07.30.2011 6:31 PM PDT

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Posted by: BlueRuby2k10
Posted by: anton1792
Assuming that the Flood even knows that the Dawn is there.

Also, how is the Flood supposed to get inside the ship? It is hovering several dozen metres over a unimaginably deep crevice.

I really don't think a crevice would stop them.

They have no vehicles. All that remains if it at this time is a smattering of combat forms and pure forms. How are they going to get across the gap?

We also need to think: Was the hanger door even opened? Cortana could have opened it upon approach. If that is the case, then the Flood are not going to get through Starship hull plating with nothing but small arms fire. And also bear in mind that starships are vacuum tight, aka no way in at all for flood spores or anything.

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

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Posted by: BlueRuby2k10

Assuming that the Flood even knows that the Dawn is there.

Also, how is the Flood supposed to get inside the ship? It is hovering several dozen metres over a unimaginably deep crevice.[/quote]

I really don't think a crevice would stop them.[/quote]

I heard they invented a thing called gravity recently, I think it's just a fad...[/quote]

*facepalm*
Flood Dispersal Pods would probably REALLY help them get onto the Frigate without trouble.
Not to mention that the Flood can jump ungodly heights. They could have EASILY leaped into the hanger of the Frigate in the same way Master Chief did.


they clearly didn't know the ship was there then and it wouldn't matter anyway because the array would be activated before they got anywhere.

And the flood couldn't jump that, i think you should go back and see how large that gap is

  • 07.30.2011 6:32 PM PDT


Posted by: BlueRuby2k10
Not to mention that the Flood can jump ungodly heights. They could have EASILY leaped into the hanger of the Frigate in the same way Master Chief did.


They couldn't jump that far. Sorry

And the Flood thrasher, swarm, and bomber forms are from wildlife on the surface of the halo wars shield world.

  • 07.30.2011 6:33 PM PDT

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  • 07.30.2011 6:33 PM PDT

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Posted by: anton1792
Assuming that the Flood even knows that the Dawn is there.

Also, how is the Flood supposed to get inside the ship? It is hovering several dozen metres over a unimaginably deep crevice.


I really don't think a crevice would stop them.


I heard they invented a thing called gravity recently, I think it's just a fad...


*facepalm*
Flood Dispersal Pods would probably REALLY help them get onto the Frigate without trouble.
Not to mention that the Flood can jump ungodly heights. They could have EASILY leaped into the hanger of the Frigate in the same way Master Chief did.


FDPs were the remnants of the Flood who survived High Charity's destruction and rained down on the Installation. This is a minor point, but exactly how the Flood got on 04B is a mystery to me. High Charity crashed on the Ark and 04B was above that, so how did the Flood get into a position to even get to the Ring in the first place? Anyways, I digress.

The Flood cannot jump about 80 meters, their jumping ability is simply for gameplay diversity, it has never been shown in canon that they have this ridiculous jumping ability.

  • 07.30.2011 6:33 PM PDT


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"Gravemind, we have arrived at Installation 04B and our enemies are speeding to the Control Room where they can prematurely fire the rebuilt Halo to destroy us! But don't worry, instead of killing them we should just nick their ship so that they die with us. Logic ahoy!"


He's saying they should have stolen the ship, created a Flood Hive inside, and ran for it as a precaution in case the forces trying to kill the three failed, which truly makes perfect sense to me. You always need to leave yourself a way out, even if there's a possibility a god-like AI could telefrag you into a black hole or star. At least you have a shot.

That way the Mind could recuperate, rebuild his forces using some random planet with life he might find, and try again.

And, he's garunteed to have rid himself of three of the most dangerous living things in the universe besides himself, regardless if they destroy the Flood Hive on Installation 04 (II) by way of stealing their only means of escape.

And even if Medicant Bias telefraged the Dawn, the Gravemind clearly has a secondary plan alreasy in place judging from Halo 4 and his final words in Halo 3. But this way, his three worst enemies (and the one destined to save the universe) get blown to hell.

Really, it was in the Mind's best interests to try and commit say, 10% of his forces to stealing the Dawn, and if not steal it, destroy it.

A serious plot hole if you ask me.

[Edited on 07.30.2011 6:34 PM PDT]

  • 07.30.2011 6:33 PM PDT


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You mean to tell me the UNSC would be sitting in their control rooms with their thumbs up their asses and let a ship that disappeared years ago from a mysterious alien installation that was crawling with alien zombie parasites waltz right on through Earth's defenses let alone get close to them?


How do you know they couldn't have done the same thing they tried at the end of The Storm? UNSC ships may not be capable of that, but still, there's no sure way to know what the UNSC's reaction would be to the Frigate arriving.

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?

since when did the flood become the smartest aliens in the galaxy?


If they were that smart rob the CSS would have landed in a large populated area or mara,luna,etc.

If they were that smart high charity would have just jumped to earth and infected the entire planet.


Don't try to make the flood the smartest beast around all of a sudden, we could make a list of things they should have done but didn't

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?


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You mean to tell me the UNSC would be sitting in their control rooms with their thumbs up their asses and let a ship that disappeared years ago from a mysterious alien installation that was crawling with alien zombie parasites waltz right on through Earth's defenses let alone get close to them?


How do you know they couldn't have done the same thing they tried at the end of The Storm? UNSC ships may not be capable of that, but still, there's no sure way to know what the UNSC's reaction would be to the Frigate arriving.


Huh? the first thing they would do is try to hail it and if it doesn't get a response it would get shot down. Remember the ending of halo 2?

  • 07.30.2011 6:38 PM PDT


Posted by: grey101

Posted by: BlueRuby2k10

Assuming that the Flood even knows that the Dawn is there.

Also, how is the Flood supposed to get inside the ship? It is hovering several dozen metres over a unimaginably deep crevice.[/quote]

I really don't think a crevice would stop them.[/quote]

I heard they invented a thing called gravity recently, I think it's just a fad...[/quote]

*facepalm*
Flood Dispersal Pods would probably REALLY help them get onto the Frigate without trouble.
Not to mention that the Flood can jump ungodly heights. They could have EASILY leaped into the hanger of the Frigate in the same way Master Chief did.


they clearly didn't know the ship was there then and it wouldn't matter anyway because the array would be activated before they got anywhere.

And the flood couldn't jump that, i think you should go back and see how large that gap is


Considering that the Flood is capable of leaping over small mountains and buildings (Quarantine Zone, Floodgate, Halo). It's clear that they're perfectly capable.

It's a bit absurd to say that the Flood can't make a jump that a four-wheeled human vehicle could.

[Edited on 07.30.2011 6:40 PM PDT]

  • 07.30.2011 6:38 PM PDT


Posted by: DecepticonCobra
I've come to the conclusion that BlueRiby is completely stupid and unwilling to listen to reason. All agree say aye.


This is what I get for trying to have a nice debate? I didn't even think you were getting offended.

  • 07.30.2011 6:39 PM PDT


Posted by: BlueRuby2k10

Posted by: DecepticonCobra


You mean to tell me the UNSC would be sitting in their control rooms with their thumbs up their asses and let a ship that disappeared years ago from a mysterious alien installation that was crawling with alien zombie parasites waltz right on through Earth's defenses let alone get close to them?


How do you know they couldn't have done the same thing they tried at the end of The Storm? UNSC ships may not be capable of that, but still, there's no sure way to know what the UNSC's reaction would be to the Frigate arriving.


Ahum, let's go into the mind of the defenses.

"Oh look, the forward unto dawn."

'Didn't that ship get left behind as an escape route for the Master Chief and his pals on the Ark?'

"Yeah, and they never came back through the portal, and it shut off."

'It's not answering hails, and I don't pick up any UNSC signals coming from it.'

"If they don't answer in half a minute, open fire. The flood were on the Ark, they might be on the ship. It's not acting like a typical UNSC frigate would anyway. No hails, no transmissions..."

There you go, that's what'd happen.

Or in your viewpoint I gather.

"Look, the forward unto dawn, wasn't that ship missing in the battle of the ark those many years ago?"

'Yeah, but let's open all hanger bay and airlock doors to let them get aboard easier as the frigate maintains it ramming course with the planet.'

  • 07.30.2011 6:39 PM PDT

Well, I just thought of a reason why it might not be a plot hole.

Maybe the Mind did try and steal/destroy the ship, but Medicant Bias was protecting it. Of course that makes little sense since the only thing he could use to protect ship were also trying to kill you after Spark died, but it is a possibility.

  • 07.30.2011 6:39 PM PDT

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Posted by: ajw34307
"Gravemind, we have arrived at Installation 04B and our enemies are speeding to the Control Room where they can prematurely fire the rebuilt Halo to destroy us! But don't worry, instead of killing them we should just nick their ship so that they die with us. Logic ahoy!"


He's saying they should have stolen the ship, created a Flood Hive inside, and ran for it as a precaution in case the forces trying to kill the three failed, which truly makes perfect sense to me. You always need to leave yourself a way out, even if there's a possibility a god-like AI could telefrag you into a black hole or star. At least you have a shot.

That way the Mind could recuperate, rebuild his forces using some random planet with life he might find, and try again.

And, he's garunteed to have rid himself of three of the most dangerous living things in the universe besides himself, regardless if they destroy the Flood Hive on Installation 04 (II) by way of stealing their only means of escape.

And even if Medicant Bias telefraged the Dawn, the Gravemind clearly has a secondary plan alreasy in place judging from Halo 4 and his final words in Halo 3. But this way, his three worst enemies (and the one destined to save the universe) get blown to hell.

Really, it was in the Mind's best interests to try and commit say, 10% of his forces to stealing the Dawn, and if not steal it, destroy it.

A serious plot hole if you ask me.


But how could they have reached the Dawn? It's not like The Tale of the Three Brothers where they waved their wands a bit and made a bridge appear to cross a treacherous path, there was a 100 meter gap between the Dawn and the ramp which they could not have reached.

  • 07.30.2011 6:39 PM PDT

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  • 07.30.2011 6:40 PM PDT

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra
I've come to the conclusion that BlueRiby is completely stupid and unwilling to listen to reason. All agree say aye.


This is what I get for trying to have a nice debate? I didn't even think you were getting offended.


I'm not offended, you just don't seem to know ANYTHING.

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