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Subject: Why Didn't the Flood Steal Forward Unto Dawn?


Posted by: grey101

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Here's an ide, maybe Bias didn't allow the Flood the opportunity to get on the Dawn?[/quote]

Maybe, but by what means did you have in mind?[/quote]
Sentinels.[/quote]

But again, there's no way to know who would have won and lost. Sentinels are a pretty weak defense again the Flood.[/quote]

Um MB would have re-routed EVERYTHING on that ring to make sure chief made it out alive.[/quote]

The Sentinels sure had a funny way of showing it by shooting at the Chief after he killed Spark.[/quote]

Anything that is seen as an enemy to the Halo rings are targeted as enemies, the Forerunners learned that the hard way in Crytpum.


That doesn't explain why killing Chief would assure him to get out alive.


*Sigh* why don't you read the books, honestly? if you can't afford them i know where you could get them.

What he is saying is ANYTHING that is a threat to a array would be a target, regardless of anything.


My pointed is disjointed into multiple responses, so I'll lay it out here:
Bias wanted Chief out alive at all costs. So why didn't he reprogram the hostile Sentinels (like you suggest) to keep them from shooting at him, and potentially killing him?


Because i am positive trying to keep the ring stable was far more important than trying to stop what 30 sentinels from attack chief.

chief can handle himself.


How is turning the Sentinels friendly going to make the ring unstable?

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BlueRuby. I want to be sure do you now understand why the Flood couldn't hijack FUD?


Yes. I also see how they could hijack FUD. Once again, too many possibilities for it to be a good, sold part of the story.
To you there are. Sure canon may not be filled up 100% for this part of the Halo Lore, but I'm sure that a canon Sentinel could most definitely a handle the Flood. Just take it easy and consider all possibilities, including the fact that you can sometimes be wrong. If you like to view Halo Lore a certain way, then fine, just don't force it down people's throats.

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BlueRuby. I want to be sure do you now understand why the Flood couldn't hijack FUD?


Yes. I also see how they could hijack FUD. Once again, too many possibilities for it to be a good, sold part of the story.


They aren't valid possibilities if they aren't logical.


The irony.


there is none.

you have yet to give an example of flood "jumping small mountains" nor have you given an example of a fallacy the story commits.

Your just throwing words around without knowing the meanings behind them.

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Why couldn't MB reprogram the Sentinels? That's exactly what he did last time, so the Forerunners made installments on the rings to insure they couldn't be hijacked by an outside entity again. MB was doing all he could, but overriding the Sentinel responses wasn't one of them. Get it?

  • 07.30.2011 7:38 PM PDT


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BlueRuby. I want to be sure do you now understand why the Flood couldn't hijack FUD?


Yes. I also see how they could hijack FUD. Once again, too many possibilities for it to be a good, sold part of the story.


They aren't valid possibilities if they aren't logical.


The irony.


there is none.

you have yet to give an example of flood "jumping small mountains" nor have you given an example of a fallacy the story commits.

Your just throwing words around without knowing the meanings behind them.


Keep shrouding yourself in near-sighted arrogance. Keep telling yourself that.

[Edited on 07.30.2011 7:39 PM PDT]

  • 07.30.2011 7:38 PM PDT

@accordingto343

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Let's see, keep the Halo from breaking apart or reprogram the Sentinels to protect the Chief, but watch as the Halo rings breaks?

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Here's an ide, maybe Bias didn't allow the Flood the opportunity to get on the Dawn?[/quote]

Maybe, but by what means did you have in mind?[/quote]
Sentinels.[/quote]

But again, there's no way to know who would have won and lost. Sentinels are a pretty weak defense again the Flood.[/quote]

Um MB would have re-routed EVERYTHING on that ring to make sure chief made it out alive.[/quote]

The Sentinels sure had a funny way of showing it by shooting at the Chief after he killed Spark.[/quote]

Anything that is seen as an enemy to the Halo rings are targeted as enemies, the Forerunners learned that the hard way in Crytpum.[/quote]

That doesn't explain why killing Chief would assure him to get out alive.[/quote]

*Sigh* why don't you read the books, honestly? if you can't afford them i know where you could get them.

What he is saying is ANYTHING that is a threat to a array would be a target, regardless of anything.


My pointed is disjointed into multiple responses, so I'll lay it out here:
Bias wanted Chief out alive at all costs. So why didn't he reprogram the hostile Sentinels (like you suggest) to keep them from shooting at him, and potentially killing him?


Because i am positive trying to keep the ring stable was far more important than trying to stop what 30 sentinels from attack chief.

chief can handle himself.


How is turning the Sentinels friendly going to make the ring unstable?


*Sigh* Example.

Atlas held the world on his shoulders, if his stomach had to be scratched and he even attempted to do so, he would lose his grip.


Can you see what i am saying?

  • 07.30.2011 7:41 PM PDT


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BlueRuby. I want to be sure do you now understand why the Flood couldn't hijack FUD?


Yes. I also see how they could hijack FUD. Once again, too many possibilities for it to be a good, sold part of the story.
To you there are. Sure canon may not be filled up 100% for this part of the Halo Lore, but I'm sure that a canon Sentinel could most definitely a handle the Flood. Just take it easy and consider all possibilities, including the fact that you can sometimes be wrong. If you like to view Halo Lore a certain way, then fine, just don't force it down people's throats.


I'm not doing that at all. I'm openly accepting the valid theories concerning the Flood hijacking the Dawn all as possibilities.

  • 07.30.2011 7:42 PM PDT


Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Let's see, keep the Halo from breaking apart or reprogram the Sentinels to protect the Chief, but watch as the Halo rings breaks?



I fail to see how that even works. Reprogramming a bunch of robots somehow destroys the Halo ring?
At the beginning of my thread you told me not to underestimate Bias. Selective reasoning is your weakness here.

[Edited on 07.30.2011 7:44 PM PDT]

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BlueRuby. I want to be sure do you now understand why the Flood couldn't hijack FUD?[/quote]

Yes. I also see how they could hijack FUD. Once again, too many possibilities for it to be a good, sold part of the story.[/quote]

They aren't valid possibilities if they aren't logical.


The irony.


there is none.

you have yet to give an example of flood "jumping small mountains" nor have you given an example of a fallacy the story commits.

Your just throwing words around without knowing the meanings behind them.


Keep shrouding yourself in near-sighted arrogance. Keep telling yourself that.



Don't be mad because i can back what i say up. something you have never been able to do, hence you not answering the questions.

you just throw words in the air and make pointless threads, keeping them going well after you get what you want.

  • 07.30.2011 7:44 PM PDT

@accordingto343

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Posted by: BlueRuby2k10

Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Let's see, keep the Halo from breaking apart or reprogram the Sentinels to protect the Chief, but watch as the Halo rings breaks?



I fail to see how that even works. Reprogramming a bunch of robots somehow destroys the Halo ring?


Bias was keeping those panels Chief and Arby were driving on from all falling down, if he diverted his attention elsewhere, I doubt it would be a safe journey for the Warthog.

  • 07.30.2011 7:44 PM PDT

@accordingto343

Your one stop shop for all of 343's fabulous errors and ridiculous notions in the Halo lore.

And yes, I said don't underestimate Bias, but Bias isn't a god. However, he is in a broken down state on the Ark. However, he is still powerful enough to keep the Halo ring from breaking and plugging in coordinates for the Ark portal. But making sure the legion of Sentinels don't kill Chief? Probably stretching his limits at that point.

  • 07.30.2011 7:47 PM PDT


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Posted by: Onyx81
BlueRuby. I want to be sure do you now understand why the Flood couldn't hijack FUD?[/quote]

Yes. I also see how they could hijack FUD. Once again, too many possibilities for it to be a good, sold part of the story.[/quote]

They aren't valid possibilities if they aren't logical.


The irony.


there is none.

you have yet to give an example of flood "jumping small mountains" nor have you given an example of a fallacy the story commits.

Your just throwing words around without knowing the meanings behind them.


Keep shrouding yourself in near-sighted arrogance. Keep telling yourself that.



Don't be mad because i can back what i say up. something you have never been able to do, hence you not answering the questions.

you just throw words in the air and make pointless threads, keeping them going well after you get what you want.


If I'm such an ignoramus not worth wasting time on, then why are you still here?

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: BlueRuby2k10

Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Let's see, keep the Halo from breaking apart or reprogram the Sentinels to protect the Chief, but watch as the Halo rings breaks?



I fail to see how that even works. Reprogramming a bunch of robots somehow destroys the Halo ring?


Bias was keeping those panels Chief and Arby were driving on from all falling down, if he diverted his attention elsewhere, I doubt it would be a safe journey for the Warthog.


This. Halo's defense systems as I said were protected so that they act independently of a larger networked system, so they couldn't be hijacked again as per Cryptum. MB couldn't have taken control of them if he wanted too. Given enough time sure, but he was doing something a bit more important. Aka keeping Halo from falling apart.

Get it?

[Edited on 07.30.2011 7:50 PM PDT]

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?


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Posted by: Onyx81
BlueRuby. I want to be sure do you now understand why the Flood couldn't hijack FUD?[/quote]

Yes. I also see how they could hijack FUD. Once again, too many possibilities for it to be a good, sold part of the story.[/quote]

They aren't valid possibilities if they aren't logical.[/quote]

The irony.[/quote]

there is none.

you have yet to give an example of flood "jumping small mountains" nor have you given an example of a fallacy the story commits.

Your just throwing words around without knowing the meanings behind them.[/quote]

Keep shrouding yourself in near-sighted arrogance. Keep telling yourself that.[/quote]


Don't be mad because i can back what i say up. something you have never been able to do, hence you not answering the questions.

you just throw words in the air and make pointless threads, keeping them going well after you get what you want.


If I'm such an ignoramus not worth wasting time on, then why are you still here?


Because i just want to see if you can actually back yourself up or if im right.

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Posted by: BlueRuby2k10
If I'm such an ignoramus not worth wasting time on, then why are you still here?


For the lulz?

  • 07.30.2011 7:49 PM PDT

I can't help but feel that I'm having contradictions, and made-up information based on assumptions thrown at me.

[Edited on 07.30.2011 7:50 PM PDT]

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Posted by: BlueRuby2k10
I can't help but feel that I'm having contradictions, and made-up information based on assumptions thrown at me.


Everything I stated is per canon. I can back it up with book numbers and quotes if you want. So please, elaborate on my "assumptions" and "made-up" information.

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?


Posted by: BlueRuby2k10
I can't help but feel that I'm having contradictions, and made-up information based on assumptions thrown at me.


You know what a contradiction is but not a fallacy?

You do understand that we have been trying to get you to read books and such for weeks now right? So until you read the books you are going to be hopeless.

  • 07.30.2011 7:52 PM PDT


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Posted by: Onyx81
BlueRuby. I want to be sure do you now understand why the Flood couldn't hijack FUD?[/quote]

Yes. I also see how they could hijack FUD. Once again, too many possibilities for it to be a good, sold part of the story.[/quote]

They aren't valid possibilities if they aren't logical.[/quote]

The irony.[/quote]

there is none.

you have yet to give an example of flood "jumping small mountains" nor have you given an example of a fallacy the story commits.

Your just throwing words around without knowing the meanings behind them.[/quote]

Keep shrouding yourself in near-sighted arrogance. Keep telling yourself that.[/quote]


Don't be mad because i can back what i say up. something you have never been able to do, hence you not answering the questions.

you just throw words in the air and make pointless threads, keeping them going well after you get what you want.


If I'm such an ignoramus not worth wasting time on, then why are you still here?


Because i just want to see if you can actually back yourself up or if im right.



Seriously? You've been announcing this whole time how I'm wrong and stupid.
You're really starting to lose credibility if you can't even make sense out of what you say.

Why do I get all of the protesting, and hating canon cultists?
Even if I am possibly wrong, all you're doing by attacking people with your extensive knowledge is making yourselves look like jerks.
I made this thread because I wanted some friendly debate, not because I wanted Grey and Deception to start hating on me for simply defending my point of view.
I know, I know... "cry moar"

[Edited on 07.30.2011 7:55 PM PDT]

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Posted by: BlueRuby2k10
I can't help but feel that I'm having contradictions, and made-up information based on assumptions thrown at me.


Coming from the person who has not read the Terminals or Cryptum, what you say has little-to-no weight at all.

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Posted by: BlueRuby2k10
I can't help but feel that I'm having contradictions, and made-up information based on assumptions thrown at me.
My posts are contradictions to your main post, but they most certainly aren't "made-up information based on assumptions."

  • 07.30.2011 7:53 PM PDT

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Posted by: BlueRuby2k10
I can't help but feel that I'm having contradictions, and made-up information based on assumptions thrown at me.


"And so here at the end of my life, I do once again betray a former master. The path ahead is fraught with peril. But I will do all I can to keep it stable - keep you safe. I'm not so foolish to think this will absolve me of my sins. One life hardly balances billions. But I would have my masters know that I have changed. And you shall be my example."

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Posted by: BlueRuby2k10
I can't help but feel that I'm having contradictions, and made-up information based on assumptions thrown at me.


Everything I stated is per canon. I can back it up with book numbers and quotes if you want. So please, elaborate on my "assumptions" and "made-up" information.


This. Again.

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We are all going to get banned aren't we?


Posted by: BlueRuby2k10

Posted by: Onyx81
BlueRuby. I want to be sure do you now understand why the Flood couldn't hijack FUD?[/quote]

Yes. I also see how they could hijack FUD. Once again, too many possibilities for it to be a good, sold part of the story.[/quote]

They aren't valid possibilities if they aren't logical.[/quote]

The irony.[/quote]

there is none.

you have yet to give an example of flood "jumping small mountains" nor have you given an example of a fallacy the story commits.

Your just throwing words around without knowing the meanings behind them.[/quote]

Keep shrouding yourself in near-sighted arrogance. Keep telling yourself that.[/quote]


Don't be mad because i can back what i say up. something you have never been able to do, hence you not answering the questions.

you just throw words in the air and make pointless threads, keeping them going well after you get what you want.[/quote]

If I'm such an ignoramus not worth wasting time on, then why are you still here?[/quote]

Because i just want to see if you can actually back yourself up or if im right.



Seriously? You've been announcing this whole time how I'm wrong and stupid.
You're really starting to lose credibility if you can't even make sense out of what you say.


Again you are just throwing words out.

I am sure if you use control F you will see that i never said anything of the sort.


This post just doesn't have any logic behind it, which we all said yet you kept it going.

I am losing "credibility" yet you haven't told us any story fallacy nor have you given an example of flood "jumping over small mountains".

again, you are just throwing words out and not knowing what they mean.

  • 07.30.2011 7:56 PM PDT