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Subject: Why Didn't the Flood Steal Forward Unto Dawn?
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Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: BlueRuby2k10
I can't help but feel that I'm having contradictions, and made-up information based on assumptions thrown at me.


"And so here at the end of my life, I do once again betray a former master. The path ahead is fraught with peril. But I will do all I can to keep it stable - keep you safe. I'm not so foolish to think this will absolve me of my sins. One life hardly balances billions. But I would have my masters know that I have changed. And you shall be my example."

I forgot about that. i thought you were pulling the whole, "MB kept Halo together" out of your arse lol.

  • 07.30.2011 7:56 PM PDT


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Posted by: BlueRuby2k10
I can't help but feel that I'm having contradictions, and made-up information based on assumptions thrown at me.


Coming from the person who has not read the Terminals or Cryptum, what you say has little-to-no weight at all.


This statement is flawed because I created this thread under the principles and information that I knew of so far. I wasn't assuming, because I wouldn't need to know of Bias to be able to understand what was going on.
I only filled the gaps for the story hole in for myself, and I wasn't announcing it as the factual canon, because there simply is none for this part of the story.

  • 07.30.2011 7:59 PM PDT

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Posted by: BlueRuby2k10
This statement is flawed because I created this thread under the principles and information that I knew of so far.


See, that's where you -blam!- up.

  • 07.30.2011 8:00 PM PDT

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Posted by: BlueRuby2k10
I only filled the gaps for the story hole in for myself


No, you came up with a hypothetical scenario and started spouting rubbish claiming it to be gospel - as you always do.

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Are you ignoring me BlueRuby? I keep posting stuff but you seem to ignore it.

  • 07.30.2011 8:01 PM PDT


Posted by: grey101

Posted by: BlueRuby2k10

Posted by: Onyx81
BlueRuby. I want to be sure do you now understand why the Flood couldn't hijack FUD?[/quote]

Yes. I also see how they could hijack FUD. Once again, too many possibilities for it to be a good, sold part of the story.[/quote]

They aren't valid possibilities if they aren't logical.[/quote]

The irony.[/quote]

there is none.

you have yet to give an example of flood "jumping small mountains" nor have you given an example of a fallacy the story commits.

Your just throwing words around without knowing the meanings behind them.[/quote]

Keep shrouding yourself in near-sighted arrogance. Keep telling yourself that.[/quote]


Don't be mad because i can back what i say up. something you have never been able to do, hence you not answering the questions.

you just throw words in the air and make pointless threads, keeping them going well after you get what you want.[/quote]

If I'm such an ignoramus not worth wasting time on, then why are you still here?[/quote]

Because i just want to see if you can actually back yourself up or if im right.



Seriously? You've been announcing this whole time how I'm wrong and stupid.
You're really starting to lose credibility if you can't even make sense out of what you say.


Again you are just throwing words out.

I am sure if you use control F you will see that i never said anything of the sort.


This post just doesn't have any logic behind it, which we all said yet you kept it going.

I am losing "credibility" yet you haven't told us any story fallacy nor have you given an example of flood "jumping over small mountains".

again, you are just throwing words out and not knowing what they mean.


It's clear at this point that I can't penetrate your mind. Not because of your logic, or because your point of view, but because you're so stubborn.
Leave my thread now, because you're derailing it (more than it is already), and if you keep this up, you're only making yourself look bad. I'm actually begging. Please leave my thread. Happy? You want more? Okay. I'm stupid, wrong, and narrow-minded. Now are you happy? Good. Now leave this thread, and stop being so negative towards me on this forum.

Again, "cry moar" to me, I know.

  • 07.30.2011 8:03 PM PDT


Posted by: Onyx81
Are you ignoring me BlueRuby? I keep posting stuff but you seem to ignore it.


Too busy dealing with someone.

  • 07.30.2011 8:04 PM PDT
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Posted by: grey101

Posted by: BlueRuby2k10

Posted by: Onyx81
BlueRuby. I want to be sure do you now understand why the Flood couldn't hijack FUD?[/quote]

Yes. I also see how they could hijack FUD. Once again, too many possibilities for it to be a good, sold part of the story.[/quote]

They aren't valid possibilities if they aren't logical.[/quote]

The irony.[/quote]

there is none.

you have yet to give an example of flood "jumping small mountains" nor have you given an example of a fallacy the story commits.

Your just throwing words around without knowing the meanings behind them.[/quote]

Keep shrouding yourself in near-sighted arrogance. Keep telling yourself that.[/quote]


Don't be mad because i can back what i say up. something you have never been able to do, hence you not answering the questions.

you just throw words in the air and make pointless threads, keeping them going well after you get what you want.[/quote]

If I'm such an ignoramus not worth wasting time on, then why are you still here?[/quote]

Because i just want to see if you can actually back yourself up or if im right.



Seriously? You've been announcing this whole time how I'm wrong and stupid.
You're really starting to lose credibility if you can't even make sense out of what you say.


Again you are just throwing words out.

I am sure if you use control F you will see that i never said anything of the sort.


This post just doesn't have any logic behind it, which we all said yet you kept it going.

I am losing "credibility" yet you haven't told us any story fallacy nor have you given an example of flood "jumping over small mountains".

again, you are just throwing words out and not knowing what they mean.


It's clear at this point that I can't penetrate your mind. Not because of your logic, or because your point of view, but because you're so stubborn.
Leave my thread now, because you're derailing it (more than it is already), and if you keep this up, you're only making yourself look bad. I'm actually begging. Please leave my thread. Happy? You want more? Okay. I'm stupid, wrong, and narrow-minded. Now are you happy? Good. Now leave this thread, and stop being so negative towards me on this forum.

Again, "cry moar" to me, I know.
Are you ready to acknowledge my posts know?

  • 07.30.2011 8:06 PM PDT


Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: BlueRuby2k10
This statement is flawed because I created this thread under the principles and information that I knew of so far.


See, that's where you -blam!- up.


Did you intend to cut off the rest of the quote, or are you seriously trying to tell me that?

  • 07.30.2011 8:06 PM PDT

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Posted by: BlueRuby2k10


Listen, just give us proof. I'll give you a guide. Ignore the bit about theories, focus on the citation part.

Cite your sources!

Perhaps the golden rule of creating a theory, source citation. This should be a concept your average middle schooler should understand. When you are asked to do a research paper, you are asked to also make a works cited page, this is no different here. If you want your theory to be taken seriously, you need sources.

Your sources can come from the games, books, and other forms of media. To properly incorporate your sources make sure you state where it came from, if it's a book state the page number, if it comes form the game provide the cutscene as a YouTube video, if it comes from media like Halo Legends state the episode it appears in and perhaps even the running time. All sources can even provide quotes, if they help your theory provide them.

Example

Say you believe Mendicant Bias is responsible for sending Master Chief to the Mysterious Planet in the Halo 4 trailer, you could provide a quote from the final(?) Terminal in Halo 3.

And so here at the end of my life, I do once again betray a former master. The path ahead is fraught with peril. But I will do all I can to keep it stable - keep you safe. I'm not so foolish to think this will absolve me of my sins. One life hardly balances billions. But I would have my masters know that I have changed. And you shall be my example.

Mendicant Bias to John-117.


Obviously more would be expected, but try to follow a format like so.


[Edited on 07.30.2011 8:07 PM PDT]

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?


Posted by: BlueRuby2k10


Posted by: Onyx81
BlueRuby. I want to be sure do you now understand why the Flood couldn't hijack FUD?[/quote]

Yes. I also see how they could hijack FUD. Once again, too many possibilities for it to be a good, sold part of the story.[/quote]

They aren't valid possibilities if they aren't logical.[/quote]

The irony.[/quote]

there is none.

you have yet to give an example of flood "jumping small mountains" nor have you given an example of a fallacy the story commits.

Your just throwing words around without knowing the meanings behind them.[/quote]

Keep shrouding yourself in near-sighted arrogance. Keep telling yourself that.[/quote]


Don't be mad because i can back what i say up. something you have never been able to do, hence you not answering the questions.

you just throw words in the air and make pointless threads, keeping them going well after you get what you want.[/quote]

If I'm such an ignoramus not worth wasting time on, then why are you still here?[/quote]

Because i just want to see if you can actually back yourself up or if im right.

[/quote]

Seriously? You've been announcing this whole time how I'm wrong and stupid.
You're really starting to lose credibility if you can't even make sense out of what you say.[/quote]

Again you are just throwing words out.

I am sure if you use control F you will see that i never said anything of the sort.


This post just doesn't have any logic behind it, which we all said yet you kept it going.

I am losing "credibility" yet you haven't told us any story fallacy nor have you given an example of flood "jumping over small mountains".

again, you are just throwing words out and not knowing what they mean.


It's clear at this point that I can't penetrate your mind. Not because of your logic, or because your point of view, but because you're so stubborn.
Leave my thread now, because you're derailing it (more than it is already), and if you keep this up, you're only making yourself look bad. I'm actually begging. Please leave my thread. Happy? You want more? Okay. I'm stupid, wrong, and narrow-minded. Now are you happy? Good. Now leave this thread, and stop being so negative towards me on this forum.

Again, "cry moar" to me, I know.


Ok so you are clearly pulling the "damsel in distress" act and avoiding my post because you just can't back it up.

The thread was de-railed once you got what you needed to know and kept it going, so don't try pinning that on me.

You kept asking us to support ourselves and we did, yet when we ask you, you pull an act and try to make it seem like we are harming you in someway.

How about you just support yourself and stop running away? oh and there is a fallacy for what you have been doing FYI.

  • 07.30.2011 8:07 PM PDT


Posted by: grey101

Posted by: BlueRuby2k10


Posted by: Onyx81
BlueRuby. I want to be sure do you now understand why the Flood couldn't hijack FUD?[/quote]

Yes. I also see how they could hijack FUD. Once again, too many possibilities for it to be a good, sold part of the story.[/quote]

They aren't valid possibilities if they aren't logical.[/quote]

The irony.[/quote]

there is none.

you have yet to give an example of flood "jumping small mountains" nor have you given an example of a fallacy the story commits.

Your just throwing words around without knowing the meanings behind them.[/quote]

Keep shrouding yourself in near-sighted arrogance. Keep telling yourself that.[/quote]


Don't be mad because i can back what i say up. something you have never been able to do, hence you not answering the questions.

you just throw words in the air and make pointless threads, keeping them going well after you get what you want.[/quote]

If I'm such an ignoramus not worth wasting time on, then why are you still here?[/quote]

Because i just want to see if you can actually back yourself up or if im right.

[/quote]

Seriously? You've been announcing this whole time how I'm wrong and stupid.
You're really starting to lose credibility if you can't even make sense out of what you say.[/quote]

Again you are just throwing words out.

I am sure if you use control F you will see that i never said anything of the sort.


This post just doesn't have any logic behind it, which we all said yet you kept it going.

I am losing "credibility" yet you haven't told us any story fallacy nor have you given an example of flood "jumping over small mountains".

again, you are just throwing words out and not knowing what they mean.


It's clear at this point that I can't penetrate your mind. Not because of your logic, or because your point of view, but because you're so stubborn.
Leave my thread now, because you're derailing it (more than it is already), and if you keep this up, you're only making yourself look bad. I'm actually begging. Please leave my thread. Happy? You want more? Okay. I'm stupid, wrong, and narrow-minded. Now are you happy? Good. Now leave this thread, and stop being so negative towards me on this forum.

Again, "cry moar" to me, I know.


Ok so you are clearly pulling the "damsel in distress" act and avoiding my post because you just can't back it up.

The thread was de-railed once you got what you needed to know and kept it going, so don't try pinning that on me.

You kept asking us to support ourselves and we did, yet when we ask you, you pull an act and try to make it seem like we are harming you in someway.

How about you just support yourself and stop running away? oh and there is a fallacy for what you have been doing FYI.


Okay, I give up. Asking a mod to lock this flame fest.

  • 07.30.2011 8:08 PM PDT
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Posted by: BlueRuby2k10

Posted by: Onyx81
Are you ignoring me BlueRuby? I keep posting stuff but you seem to ignore it.


Too busy dealing with someone.
That's what I thought, but why deal with aggressive people when you have someone to talk man to man with calmly?

  • 07.30.2011 8:08 PM PDT

@accordingto343

Your one stop shop for all of 343's fabulous errors and ridiculous notions in the Halo lore.

Asking a mod to lock this because you couldn't back up anything you said? Logic fail.

  • 07.30.2011 8:09 PM PDT
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Some can come away from reading "War and Peace" thinking it a simple adventure story, while others can read the ingredients on a gum wrapper and unlock the secrets of the universe.

This statement is flawed because I created this thread under the principles and information that I knew of so far. I wasn't assuming, because I wouldn't need to know of Bias to be able to understand what was going on.
I only filled the gaps for the story hole in for myself, and I wasn't announcing it as the factual canon, because there simply is none for this part of the story.


You just said it yourself. You came in here with limited and lesser knowledge than any of us. MB IS part of the story, you just didn't know about it. WE however did, and your just giving pointless BS counters to canon backed arguments without a single valid reason other than you may possibly be trolling.

Ignore everything else. MB could not take control of the sentinels. He was keeping Halo together. The Flood was not concerned with taking FUD, as it was preoccupied.

Those 2 sentences, answer all your questions!

  • 07.30.2011 8:11 PM PDT
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Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Asking a mod to lock this because you couldn't back up anything you said? Logic fail.
I do agree. I haven't seen you back any claim of yours up with factual information sadly.

[Edited on 07.30.2011 8:12 PM PDT]

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Posted by: Agustus
This statement is flawed because I created this thread under the principles and information that I knew of so far. I wasn't assuming, because I wouldn't need to know of Bias to be able to understand what was going on.
I only filled the gaps for the story hole in for myself, and I wasn't announcing it as the factual canon, because there simply is none for this part of the story.


You just said it yourself. You came in here with limited and lesser knowledge than any of us. MB IS part of the story, you just didn't know about it. WE however did, and your just giving pointless BS counters to canon backed arguments without a single valid reason other than you may possibly be trolling.

Ignore everything else. MB could not take control of the sentinels. He was keeping Halo together. The Flood was not concerned with taking FUD, as it was preoccupied.

Those 2 sentences, answer all your questions!
Not to mention the Flood were attacked, and halted by the sentinels.

[Edited on 07.30.2011 8:13 PM PDT]

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?

Ruby we PM'd a mod pages ago so good luck, i'd be a favor

  • 07.30.2011 8:13 PM PDT

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Yes, I'm the guy who had the Flood admit to being furries.

They weren't docked to anything, you had to jump a huge gap to get into it, the Flood couldn't reach it.

And the Forward Unto Dawn was empty, there was no crew they could have taken over to assume that knowledge to pilot the craft, specially when more than one crew member was needed.

  • 07.30.2011 8:18 PM PDT

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Posted by: HaI0Fighter92
They weren't docked to anything, you had to jump a huge gap to get into it, the Flood couldn't reach it.

And the Forward Unto Dawn was empty, there was no crew they could have taken over to assume that knowledge to pilot the craft, specially when more than one crew member was needed.


True, but who sais they did not already have a host to begin with. and they could have just landed on it with their drop pod things.

[Edited on 07.31.2011 6:00 AM PDT]

  • 07.31.2011 6:00 AM PDT

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Posted by: BlueRuby2k10
Still, didn't the Dawn have a Slipspace drive? Couldn't it have just followed set coordinates back to Earth, if not a random location, perhaps stumbling upon an entirely different race to infect?
The Ark was outside the Milky Way Galaxy. Even with a slipspace drive, it would take thousands of years to get back to Earth. The only plausibly route of return was the Portal.

  • 07.31.2011 6:06 AM PDT

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Because capturing the Dawn would be fruitless for the flood. They couldn't take it anywhere, it would only fall victim to MB's control of the portal or the Human- Sangheili Ships.

Gravemind focused all his energies toward the destruction of Chief and stopping him. Although I supposes putting a few flood tasked to capture the Dawn for the sake of Chief not having it would have helped.

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Posted by: aaz b
A) Medicant Bias would half teleported the ship to oblivion
B) The UNSC/Elites would know that the ship is flood infested and destroy it
C) Sentinels put up a great fight towards the flood.

Canonly they must be strong. If they were weak why would the forunners trust them with the task of defending Halo?


Most Sentinels are just basic security bots.

  • 07.31.2011 3:48 PM PDT

Think about it.

In Halo CE, they could have stolen the Longsword in the Docking bay, but they didn't.

In Halo 2 and 3, they steal ships and crash them into things because they actually start to think. They have a Gravemind to lead them and give them logicical instructions.


At the end of Halo 3, Gravemind almost dies from the High Charity Explosion. Now I would have some trouble thinking straight after surviving an explosion the size of the Death Star. Gravemind might have been focused on mainly stopping the chief and rebuilding himself. Maybe he lacked the energy to formulate an escape plan on the frigate.


Without a proper Gravemind leader, the Flood just become scary zombies with rotting brains.

[Edited on 07.31.2011 4:51 PM PDT]

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