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Posted by: SC Matt Klassen

Posted by: Devils Preists
Bionicle..why? Because they're legos and they can piece themselves back together. If they melt they just remold into something else. XD


What about total and complete vaporization past sub-atomic particles? Because that's what they'll be facing from the Forerunners.


Could you please stop worshiping the forerunners? It's getting kinda old.

Anyway... who knows who would win.

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Bionicles normally can't travel off world. Only those associated with the Great Beings can. So therefore the Covies could just glass them.

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Posted by: goldhawk
We should know better, because we are better.

I'm probably the minority here but, I think Bionicle can beat Halo in ground combat. They won't be too shabby in space either, with a pair (possibly more) of giant forty million feet tall robots.

@Onyx: Anton disproved that, remember? It takes the covenant 15 seconds too glass an acre which means they require 30 years to glass earth. The worlds in Bionicle are much, much bigger than earth.

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Posted by: Xd00999
I'm probably the minority here but, I think Bionicle can beat Halo in ground combat. They won't be too shabby in space either, with a pair (possibly more) of giant forty million feet tall robots.

@Onyx: Anton disproved that, remember? It takes the covenant 15 seconds too glass an acre which means they require 30 years to glass earth. The worlds in Bionicle are much, much bigger than earth.
I know. When I use that term I mean isolated destruction in specific areas, which is what I though we determined glassing means now.

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  • 07.31.2011 7:32 AM PDT

actualy the matoran univers(inside matanuis body) can becom space born... and makuta dont have a phisical form. and who needs planes if you can fly or open dimesional gates...
and theres alwhays vezon.. that crazy mother F***er

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What if the great spirit's robot body starts throwing planets at the forerunners?

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Posted by: Spartan 100
What if the great spirit's robot body starts throwing planets at the forerunners?


Average fleet size: 10k ships
Weakest Forerunner ship: Planet Breaker

yeah.

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Posted by: Xd00999
I'm probably the minority here but, I think Bionicle can beat Halo in ground combat. They won't be too shabby in space either, with a pair (possibly more) of giant forty million feet tall robots.

@Onyx: Anton disproved that, remember? It takes the covenant 15 seconds too glass an acre which means they require 30 years to glass earth. The worlds in Bionicle are much, much bigger than earth.


oh my god.....

This was disproven already by the map Condemned and the book Glasslands

"the more recent items trump the older ones. So, for example, if some aspect of Halo 3's fiction contradicted Halo 2's, Halo 3's would be the gold standard."

-Halo canon rules

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you couldn't possibly be able to compare the two

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Posted by: ROBERTO jh

Posted by: Xd00999
I'm probably the minority here but, I think Bionicle can beat Halo in ground combat. They won't be too shabby in space either, with a pair (possibly more) of giant forty million feet tall robots.

@Onyx: Anton disproved that, remember? It takes the covenant 15 seconds too glass an acre which means they require 30 years to glass earth. The worlds in Bionicle are much, much bigger than earth.


oh my god.....

This was disproven already by the map Condemned and the book Glasslands


no it wasn't.

A book cover is artistic license and doesn't mean anything so you must be desperate if you are trying to use that.

And condemned is a MP map, again artistic license

here you can clearly see that the entire planet isn't "glassed" as you claim, only a few spots are which fits with all accounts.


Nobody ever stayed to see what really happens when the covenant bombard planets. The original FoR even states that only the poles were glassed and the rest of the planet was on fire not glassed and that is what you see on condemned.

Last time you brought this up anton went back and showed you what the original and the re-prints say, in which the planets are not fully glassed.

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Posted by: SC Matt Klassen

Posted by: Spartan 100
What if the great spirit's robot body starts throwing planets at the forerunners?


Average fleet size: 10k ships
Weakest Forerunner ship: Planet Breaker

yeah.


Yes, because that changes the facts entire planets are being flung at the ships.

Seriously, stop riding on the forerunners and actually make counter-points besides "Forerunners win just cause."

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Posted by: Xd00999
I'm probably the minority here but, I think Bionicle can beat Halo in ground combat. They won't be too shabby in space either, with a pair (possibly more) of giant forty million feet tall robots.


I think that is a very fair assessment, I think it very likely that the denizens of the Bionicle universe stand a very high chance of winning on the ground, though it would really depend on what each side had available. Like if it was the UNSC army vs a bunch of Matoran the UNSC would probably be the victors there. Spartans vs Toa on the other hand, I'm pretty sure the Toa would win mainly due to their elemental powers. The Glatorian would also probably be fairly simple to defeat since they are practically living in the stone age and some of their most advanced tech are the Thornax Launchers.

This thread is bringing back fond memories ^_^ Bionicle was a lot of fun, I always got all of the Earth characters, they were the coolest :D

  • 07.31.2011 3:25 PM PDT

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Oh Grey, don't you know that Cover Art and Multiplayer maps are super canon?

It goes:

Cover Art
Multiplayer maps
Personal Opinion
Everything Else

I guess if cover art is canon now, the Headhunter Spartans are wearing SPI rather than Mjolnir despite the evidence given.

I guess if cover art is canon, then it was the MA37 used my MC during the fall of Reach and not the MA5.

Multiplayer is canon now? I wonder why those Spartans and Elites are always killing each other over silly flags.

Oh diddums.

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Posted by: anton1792
Oh Grey, don't you know that Cover Art and Multiplayer maps are super canon?

It goes:

Cover Art
Multiplayer maps
Personal Opinion
Everything Else

I guess if cover art is canon now, the Headhunter Spartans are wearing SPI rather than Mjolnir despite the evidence given.

I guess if cover art is canon, then it was the MA37 used my MC during the fall of Reach and not the MA5.

Multiplayer is canon now? I wonder why those Spartans and Elites are always killing each other over silly flags.

Oh diddums.


exactly. so that means we have to take the re-print covers as canon, what about the MP boarding action? is that the mona lisa and red horse?

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Posted by: OrderedComa
This thread is bringing back fond memories ^_^ Bionicle was a lot of fun, I always got all of the Earth characters, they were the coolest :D


Used to read all the comics... until the damn magazine rarely arrived/skipped several months :(.

I infact have five bionicle figures behind me on the shelf :P.

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Posted by: ROBERTO jh

Posted by: Xd00999
I'm probably the minority here but, I think Bionicle can beat Halo in ground combat. They won't be too shabby in space either, with a pair (possibly more) of giant forty million feet tall robots.

@Onyx: Anton disproved that, remember? It takes the covenant 15 seconds too glass an acre which means they require 30 years to glass earth. The worlds in Bionicle are much, much bigger than earth.


oh my god.....

This was disproven already by the map Condemned and the book Glasslands


no it wasn't.

A book cover is artistic license and doesn't mean anything so you must be desperate if you are trying to use that.

And condemned is a MP map, again artistic license

here you can clearly see that the entire planet isn't "glassed" as you claim, only a few spots are which fits with all accounts.


Nobody ever stayed to see what really happens when the covenant bombard planets. The original FoR even states that only the poles were glassed and the rest of the planet was on fire not glassed and that is what you see on condemned.

Last time you brought this up anton went back and showed you what the original and the re-prints say, in which the planets are not fully glassed.


So a fully canon depiction is also somehow not a fully canon depiction?

How the hell does artistic license apply to the background image in a map? Was the Ark in the sky of Isolation in Halo 3 just artistic license as well? The image has no effect whatsoever on the map itself, so no liberties could have been taken for the sake of gameplay.

Here's something funny, in LNoS, we clearly see Reach already significantly on fire from space and the glassing hadn't even started yet. But of course the datapads are the superior canon.

And then we have The Return, not the Evolutions story but the motion comic, which has always shown a completely blasted planet. But I assume that never happened too, right?

All of the Covenant's firepower is determined by a bunch of AI's who had only one year of the most vague evidence possible to support them, and the assumption that we could fight them in space. They were operating under the correct thought process that if they did have that kind of power, resistance was hopeless. I don't know if you noticed or not, but it kind of was. We succesfull repelled the invasion of a planet only once through out the entire war, and any space engagement was won only through at least triple their numbers, and even then the losses were rediculous.

Halsey herself said it: "We cannot win this war, we can only survive it."

So do tell me how ten years and beyond of consistantly telling the audience the Covenant could immolate worlds is somehow debunked by the dellusions of some AI who had exactly zero first hand experience or intel on them and only a single year's worth of shoddy intel (because their assumption was made in 2526 fyi) from people who could never have seen a Covenant attack in full or otherwise would be dead?

Because we knew literally nothing about them at that time outside of their name and a hint at some of their motives.

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Posted by: SC Matt Klassen

Posted by: Spartan 100
What if the great spirit's robot body starts throwing planets at the forerunners?


Average fleet size: 10k ships
Weakest Forerunner ship: Planet Breaker

yeah.


Yes, because that changes the facts entire planets are being flung at the ships.

Seriously, stop riding on the forerunners and actually make counter-points besides "Forerunners win just cause."


Cultier civilization.

And fine, you bring the Great Beings into this, I say Precursors with indestructible ships.

  • 07.31.2011 3:33 PM PDT

If I remember right, The Return features a planet which was devoid of life, NOT 100% glassed.

If it was 100% glassed, there would be no atmosphere, there would be no remains. It would be a -blam!- marble in space.

The planet was dead yes, but it was not completely glassed. The glassing was in the form of the symbol, the rest of the planet was just bombarded until there wasn't any life.


Posted by: SC Matt Klassen
Cultier civilization.

And fine, you bring the Great Beings into this, I say Precursors with indestructible ships.


Now you are just proving what I was saying. You cannot debate.

Debate/discussing is NOT going "We win just cause we have this."

I mean, hell, the forerunners aren't godlike enough for you? Now you have to bring in the precursors. It's sickening.

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Posted by: OrderedComa
This thread is bringing back fond memories ^_^ Bionicle was a lot of fun, I always got all of the Earth characters, they were the coolest :D


Used to read all the comics... until the damn magazine rarely arrived/skipped several months :(.

I infact have five bionicle figures behind me on the shelf :P.

I lost track of it after Makuta (the original one) pulled one of the largest gambits I've ever seen and became God.


[Edited on 07.31.2011 3:41 PM PDT]

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also the covenents glassing whould be usless when faced with a toa of plasma(they can control plasma)

and theres toa of gravity...

And besides... The mask of life would just de evolve the frorunners. Or takanuva would render all light based wepons usless

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Posted by: goldhawk
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Posted by: ROBERTO jh
Anton made a very long thread on it elsewhere and provided very clear evidence. I would copy/paste it but it's very long and takes up several pages. The AI had several years to observe in fact. Later datapads show revisions long after the initial entry, the glassing one does not. The AI know what they are talking about.

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Posted by: darkhalo 136
And besides... The mask of life would just de evolve the frorunners.


Quantifiable numbers on range plz. The Forerunners might not even have to enter orbit, we know they have the ability to initiate [premature stellar collapse].

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Posted by: goldhawk
We should know better, because we are better.



I might remind you again, the planets of bionicle are massive. Mata Nui stood up on one planet and his head didn't even fully leave the atmosphere. There is one other planet like this and then one more that is easily a dozen times their size. The forerunners can't destroy planets that big.
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Posted by: Spartan 100
What if the great spirit's robot body starts throwing planets at the forerunners?


Average fleet size: 10k ships
Weakest Forerunner ship: Planet Breaker

yeah.


Yes, because that changes the facts entire planets are being flung at the ships.

Seriously, stop riding on the forerunners and actually make counter-points besides "Forerunners win just cause."


Cultier civilization.

And fine, you bring the Great Beings into this, I say Precursors with indestructible ships.

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Posted by: Xd00999
I'm probably the minority here but, I think Bionicle can beat Halo in ground combat. They won't be too shabby in space either, with a pair (possibly more) of giant forty million feet tall robots.

@Onyx: Anton disproved that, remember? It takes the covenant 15 seconds too glass an acre which means they require 30 years to glass earth. The worlds in Bionicle are much, much bigger than earth.[/quote]

oh my god.....

This was disproven already by the map Condemned and the book Glasslands[/quote]

no it wasn't.

A book cover is artistic license and doesn't mean anything so you must be desperate if you are trying to use that.

And condemned is a MP map, again artistic license

here you can clearly see that the entire planet isn't "glassed" as you claim, only a few spots are which fits with all accounts.


Nobody ever stayed to see what really happens when the covenant bombard planets. The original FoR even states that only the poles were glassed and the rest of the planet was on fire not glassed and that is what you see on condemned.

Last time you brought this up anton went back and showed you what the original and the re-prints say, in which the planets are not fully glassed.


So a fully canon depiction is also somehow not a fully canon depiction?

How the hell does artistic license apply to the background image in a map? Was the Ark in the sky of Isolation in Halo 3 just artistic license as well? The image has no effect whatsoever on the map itself, so no liberties could have been taken for the sake of gameplay.

Here's something funny, in LNoS, we clearly see Reach already significantly on fire from space and the glassing hadn't even started yet. But of course the datapads are the superior canon.

And then we have The Return, not the Evolutions story but the motion comic, which has always shown a completely blasted planet. But I assume that never happened too, right?

All of the Covenant's firepower is determined by a bunch of AI's who had only one year of the most vague evidence possible to support them, and the assumption that we could fight them in space. They were operating under the correct thought process that if they did have that kind of power, resistance was hopeless. I don't know if you noticed or not, but it kind of was. We succesfull repelled the invasion of a planet only once through out the entire war, and any space engagement was won only through at least triple their numbers, and even then the losses were rediculous.

Halsey herself said it: "We cannot win this war, we can only survive it."

So do tell me how ten years and beyond of consistantly telling the audience the Covenant could immolate worlds is somehow debunked by the dellusions of some AI who had exactly zero first hand experience or intel on them and only a single year's worth of shoddy intel (because their assumption was made in 2526 fyi) from people who could never have seen a Covenant attack in full or otherwise would be dead?

Because we knew literally nothing about them at that time outside of their name and a hint at some of their motives.



so what your saying is Boarding action,wizard,prisoner,example, etc are canon? serously, when did MP maps become canon rob because i remember us being told not to pay attention to them. What about pit stop and boundless? they canon also?


Reach is on fire not glassed, you can clearly see the oceans and other side of the planet fine. The few places that WHERE glassed set off a firestorm that spread fire around the entire planet, that was stated by fred himself in the original fall of reach.


the planet was completely glassed yet it still had an atmosphere and a biosphere? right.. clearly the covenant don't "glass" planets, if you even understood the datapads you would know the AI's coined that term to make it seem more deadly.

vague evidence yet they must have seen a planet "glassed" in order to make up such assumption; they even talk about ditching the outer colonies to buy time; did you even read them?


Ten years of nothing rob. We see from halowars and the engagements surrounding harvest that the entire planet wasn't glassed despite it being claim.

And again, fred clearly states in TFoR that the planet was on fire not glassed.

now read this rob



Posted by: anton1792
Posted by: privet caboose
Anton, can you please provide me with the original page number in the first issue that says every square milimeter was glassed, and the page number in the rewrite where that line was removed?

Original: Page 105
"When the Covenant destroys a planet, they typically move their large warships closer and blanket the world with a series of crisscrossing orbits to ensure that every square millimetre of the surface is covered with plasma bombardments."


2010 Version: Page 130
"When the Covenant destroys a planet, they typically move their large warships closer and blanket the world with a series of crisscrossing orbits to ensure that nothing could ever survive on its surface."


Why change this rather inconspicuous line out of the entire book when it was seemingly no error and also in no contradiction with anything else in the "Old canon"?

Another change I noticed from one of Lt. Wagner's lines:

Original: Page 102
"Before I jumped to Slipspace, I witnessed the poles destroyed, and approximately two thirds of the planets surface was on fire."


2010 version: Page 128
"Before I jumped to Slipspace, I witnessed the poles destroyed, and a significant portion of the planet's surface was on fire."

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I might remind you again, the planets of bionicle are massive. Mata Nui stood up on one planet and his head didn't even fully leave the atmosphere. There is one other planet like this and then one more that is easily a dozen times their size. The forerunners can't destroy planets that big.



>Mata Nui stood up

WUT? WHEN WAS THIS?

The Forerunners have mastery over slipspace as well, they could just hide in it as the planet passes through. Though that is sketchy...

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