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Subject: Halo universe V.S Bionicle universe

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Deal with it.

This is truly a battle that can't be won. You have Forerunners and Precursors vs. Great Beings that could be god knows how many miles tall. I can't even fathom who could win this war.

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Posted by: goldhawk
We should know better, because we are better.


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I might remind you again, the planets of bionicle are massive. Mata Nui stood up on one planet and his head didn't even fully leave the atmosphere. There is one other planet like this and then one more that is easily a dozen times their size. The forerunners can't destroy planets that big.



>Mata Nui stood up

WUT? WHEN WAS THIS?

The Forerunners have mastery over slipspace as well, they could just hide in it as the planet passes through. Though that is sketchy...

Standing up.

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I might remind you again, the planets of bionicle are massive. Mata Nui stood up on one planet and his head didn't even fully leave the atmosphere. There is one other planet like this and then one more that is easily a dozen times their size. The forerunners can't destroy planets that big.



>Mata Nui stood up

WUT? WHEN WAS THIS?

The Forerunners have mastery over slipspace as well, they could just hide in it as the planet passes through. Though that is sketchy...
Yup. At the end Makuta and Mata Nui had an all out battle in giant robot suits.

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Posted by: darkhalo 136
And besides... The mask of life would just de evolve the frorunners.


Quantifiable numbers on range plz. The Forerunners might not even have to enter orbit, we know they have the ability to initiate [premature stellar collapse].


The Matoran Universe was a system of "gigantic domes" inside the Great Spirit Robot. It was made by the Great Beings and watched over by the Great Spirit Mata Nui himself

The Matoran Universe was created by the Great Beings over 100,000 years ago as a giant mechanical being


the matoran univers(where most of the story takes place is in a 40,000,000 ft tall robotic being that can fly in space...
ie no sun required

refrence---> http://bionicle.wikia.com/wiki/Matoran_Universe

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Posted by: goldhawk
We should know better, because we are better.

[Image Removed]Teridax and Mata Nui fighting it out in a pair of 40 million feet tall robots.

Image; why you no work?

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"Time was your ally human. But now it has abandoned you. The Forerunners....have returned. And this tomb... is now yours". - The Didact

Funny thing is that the AI's never specified which space weapon they were referring too.
Were they talking about pulse lasers?Torpedos?Energy projectors?Spacecats?

If they based their calculation on:

Pulse lasers:Then i say they are dumb

Plasma torpedo: Halo Reach game disproves it

Energy projector: These weapons have different setting like an excavation beam, glassing beam, energy lance,...those energy lances are the ones used in space and not glassing beams.So how the hell did the AI's concluded their calculation on a weapon with different power settings?

In the Halo Reach cutscene when the Sabre docks in you see plasma bombardement beneath you but at that point we had no clue what damage it did.BUT Auntie Dot said that one of these explosions was near SWORD base, in the latter package level you see the entire background burned down.The sea,airbase,...all vaporised.All caused by one of those single plasma explosions,most likely the smaller one because the covies won't risk destroying the Forerunner structure beneath it.

This example alone disproves that claim of the AI's

-Pillar of autumn level:

Again if you look at the background of the map you see a huge plasma mushroom cloud,no doubt caused by plasma torpedos and not glassing beams. You can compare the size of that cloud with the cruisers near it or the Autumn when it goes into the clouds.I estimate that the cloud is +30 km , it is larger but the other part of the cloud can't be seen and we don't know how far that mushroom cloud really is .

30 km + huge mushroom clouds= roughly 30 megaton

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/66/Nukecloud. png

-Installation 05:

Surface of 05 was "glassed" as confirmed in one of the waypoint videos and the encyclopedia.Look at it's hologram in Halo 3, surface fully burned down. Task had been done by a hundred Sangheili ships, as Thel said they had a fleet of hundred at 05.But we don't know the timeframe,but it sure as hell isn't 30 years.


Look i'm not saying that the Covenant have the same glassing firepower as before the retcon. But the claim of the AI's is flawed .

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Posted by: ROBERTO jh
So a fully canon depiction is also somehow not a fully canon depiction?

Begging the question. Since when was cover art ever a full canon depiction?

You can take cover art that is canonically dubious but grabs attention and looks great, or you can have something that is accurate but nothing really special in the art department.

Posted by: ROBERTO jh
How the hell does artistic license apply to the background image in a map? Was the Ark in the sky of Isolation in Halo 3 just artistic license as well? The image has no effect whatsoever on the map itself, so no liberties could have been taken for the sake of gameplay.

For the same reasons that much of the content in Legends was artistic license. Oh, you are not going to sit there and use that same reasoning on Legends are you? The double standard driving your personal wish to see what you want to see is too obvious here.

It is artistic license because it was developed by a third party developer, Certain Affinity. The Ark in the sky of Isolation is not artistic license because A) It was developed directly by Bungie and B) There is currently nothing contradicting it in current canon to make the question "Is it artistic license?" a sensible question.

Posted by: ROBERTO jh
Here's something funny, in LNoS, we clearly see Reach already significantly on fire from space and the glassing hadn't even started yet. But of course the datapads are the superior canon.

Define significantly, because all you can see are localised wildfires around coastal areas. Not entire continents being slagged.

Also, could you please provide some proof of this?

Here is my own anyway: We have a clear view of Reach after it was finished being "glassed" by the Covenant. Bam. As you can see, there are only spots on fire, clearly not entire continents being slagged. It appears to be coastal areas, which would probably mean that it is only cities and settlements. (Like New Alexandria, which was a coastal city...) There is an atmosphere clearly present. There are vast oceans still clearly present. So I would say that you statement of "we clearly see Reach already significantly on fire from space and the glassing hadn't even started yet." to be nothing but exaggeration.

Posted by: ROBERTO jh
And then we have The Return, not the Evolutions story but the motion comic, which has always shown a completely blasted planet. But I assume that never happened too, right?

Nope. If it was, like under the model you are thinking, there would be no atmosphere for the Shipmaster to breathe. Also, why are you telling me to ignore the written story? Is it because it contains evidence that further smashes your position, like the references to water and planet life still on the planet, and to the Covenant's own technological shortcomings in their respect?

Posted by: ROBERTO jh
All of the Covenant's firepower is determined by a bunch of AI's who had only one year of the most vague evidence possible to support them, and the assumption that we could fight them in space. They were operating under the correct thought process that if they did have that kind of power, resistance was hopeless. I don't know if you noticed or not, but it kind of was. We succesfull repelled the invasion of a planet only once through out the entire war, and any space engagement was won only through at least triple their numbers, and even then the losses were rediculous.

So you still admit that there was hope when numbers were available? How is that hopeless? Humanity were capable of fighting given the numbers, and even then they sometimes pulled of a victory without numbers, such as at Onyx (Before Covenant re-enforcements arrived), Sigma Octanus, Cole's last stand.

Halsey says that the Covenant would win instantly without exception if they could do this. They do not win instantly (AT all...) and they do lose battles. So yes, there is hope against the Covenant.

Posted by: ROBERTO jh
Halsey herself said it: "We cannot win this war, we can only survive it."

Not really relevant to glassing, but...Humanity's survival is detrimental to the Covenant's goal of genocide. So, how is the Covenant's failure of Humanity's genocide not considered a victory by Human survivors?

Posted by: ROBERTO jh
So do tell me how ten years and beyond of consistantly telling the audience the Covenant could immolate worlds is somehow debunked

In the same way that 9 years of being told that Elites were first encountered at Reach were debunked: A ret-con. Duh.

Posted by: ROBERTO jh
by the dellusions of some AI who had exactly zero first hand experience or intel on them and only a single year's worth of shoddy intel (because their assumption was made in 2526 fyi) from people who could never have seen a Covenant attack in full or otherwise would be dead?

They have access to every piece of virtual intelligence Humanity has. I would not put it past them to be the most informed collective in all Human space.

  • 07.31.2011 4:07 PM PDT


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Funny thing is that the AI's never specified which space weapon they were referring too.
Were they talking about pulse lasers?Torpedos?Energy projectors?Spacecats?

If they based their calculation on:

Pulse lasers:Then i say they are dumb

Plasma torpedo: Halo Reach game disproves it

Energy projector: These weapons have different setting like an excavation beam, glassing beam, energy lance,...those energy lances are the ones used in space and not glassing beams.So how the hell did the AI's concluded their calculation on a weapon with different power settings?

In the Halo Reach cutscene when the Sabre docks in you see plasma bombardement beneath you but at that point we had no clue what damage it did.BUT Auntie Dot said that one of these explosions was near SWORD base, in the latter package level you see the entire background burned down.The sea,airbase,...all vaporised.All caused by one of those single plasma explosions,most likely the smaller one because the covies won't risk destroying the Forerunner structure beneath it.

This example alone disproves that claim of the AI's

-Pillar of autumn level:

Again if you look at the background of the map you see a huge plasma mushroom cloud,no doubt caused by plasma torpedos and not glassing beams. You can compare the size of that cloud with the cruisers near it or the Autumn when it goes into the clouds.I estimate that the cloud is +30 km , it is larger but the other part of the cloud can't be seen and we don't know how far that mushroom cloud really is .

30 km + huge mushroom clouds= roughly 30 megaton

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/66/Nukecloud. png

-Installation 05:

Surface of 05 was "glassed" as confirmed in one of the waypoint videos and the encyclopedia.Look at it's hologram in Halo 3, surface fully burned down. Task had been done by a hundred Sangheili ships, as Thel said they had a fleet of hundred at 05.But we don't know the timeframe,but it sure as hell isn't 30 years.


Look i'm not saying that the Covenant have the same glassing firepower as before the retcon. But the claim of the AI's is flawed .


Add onto the fact 343i seems to be ignoring the existance of that "retcon"; all of their informational videos on Waypoint that involve it point to entire planets being immolated. How many times has the Return beeen re-released?

Or howabout the re-released original novel trilogy. No glassing retcons there, so I hear. Same with Evolutions Volume I and II, no retcons.

All definitively released material with the 343 seal of approval, no retcons.

Anyway, on the topic at hand, the 40,000,000 ft tall robot is dead, so its not invincible. Would a planet-cracking laser kill it? Or a NOVA bomb? Hell, getting slipspaced into a star?

I honestly don't know, since I never got into Bionicles. And if all else fails, we'll just ram it with a Precursor structure.

  • 07.31.2011 4:09 PM PDT

If we're talking Inika, the Bionicleverse would win.

End of story.

Additionally, Makuta and Mata Nui could just shoot anything out of orbit that tried to kill them. Nukes? Give me a break.


You could argue that Halo could kill them all, but think again. They're robots! And if you don't buy that argument, I'm sure Makuta could just use that gravity bomb thing of his to wipe out all the Halo rings within minutes.


And like I said. Inika. That's already more than any covie fleet/UNSC fleet/Forerunner could handle.



Oh, well then again, you have spartans.

And Chief. Who always has luck on his side, which was kinda what killed Makuta in the end...


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I still say Bionicle.

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Posted by: Xd00999


I might remind you again, the planets of bionicle are massive. Mata Nui stood up on one planet and his head didn't even fully leave the atmosphere. There is one other planet like this and then one more that is easily a dozen times their size. The forerunners can't destroy planets that big.



>Mata Nui stood up

WUT? WHEN WAS THIS?

The Forerunners have mastery over slipspace as well, they could just hide in it as the planet passes through. Though that is sketchy...
Yup. At the end Makuta and Mata Nui had an all out battle in giant robot suits.


Why? Why did Lego have to turn such a good storyline into a DBZ wank competition?

I say it ended good with the Karda Nui saga.

[Edited on 07.31.2011 4:21 PM PDT]

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Posted by: ROBERTO jh
Posted by: Xd00999
I'm probably the minority here but, I think Bionicle can beat Halo in ground combat. They won't be too shabby in space either, with a pair (possibly more) of giant forty million feet tall robots.

@Onyx: Anton disproved that, remember? It takes the covenant 15 seconds too glass an acre which means they require 30 years to glass earth. The worlds in Bionicle are much, much bigger than earth.[/quote]

oh my god.....

This was disproven already by the map Condemned and the book Glasslands[/quote]

no it wasn't.

A book cover is artistic license and doesn't mean anything so you must be desperate if you are trying to use that.

And condemned is a MP map, again artistic license

here you can clearly see that the entire planet isn't "glassed" as you claim, only a few spots are which fits with all accounts.


Nobody ever stayed to see what really happens when the covenant bombard planets. The original FoR even states that only the poles were glassed and the rest of the planet was on fire not glassed and that is what you see on condemned.

Last time you brought this up anton went back and showed you what the original and the re-prints say, in which the planets are not fully glassed.


So a fully canon depiction is also somehow not a fully canon depiction?

How the hell does artistic license apply to the background image in a map? Was the Ark in the sky of Isolation in Halo 3 just artistic license as well? The image has no effect whatsoever on the map itself, so no liberties could have been taken for the sake of gameplay.

Here's something funny, in LNoS, we clearly see Reach already significantly on fire from space and the glassing hadn't even started yet. But of course the datapads are the superior canon.

And then we have The Return, not the Evolutions story but the motion comic, which has always shown a completely blasted planet. But I assume that never happened too, right?

All of the Covenant's firepower is determined by a bunch of AI's who had only one year of the most vague evidence possible to support them, and the assumption that we could fight them in space. They were operating under the correct thought process that if they did have that kind of power, resistance was hopeless. I don't know if you noticed or not, but it kind of was. We succesfull repelled the invasion of a planet only once through out the entire war, and any space engagement was won only through at least triple their numbers, and even then the losses were rediculous.

Halsey herself said it: "We cannot win this war, we can only survive it."

So do tell me how ten years and beyond of consistantly telling the audience the Covenant could immolate worlds is somehow debunked by the dellusions of some AI who had exactly zero first hand experience or intel on them and only a single year's worth of shoddy intel (because their assumption was made in 2526 fyi) from people who could never have seen a Covenant attack in full or otherwise would be dead?

Because we knew literally nothing about them at that time outside of their name and a hint at some of their motives.



so what your saying is Boarding action,wizard,prisoner,example, etc are canon? serously, when did MP maps become canon rob because i remember us being told not to pay attention to them. What about pit stop and boundless? they canon also?


Reach is on fire not glassed, you can clearly see the oceans and other side of the planet fine. The few places that WHERE glassed set off a firestorm that spread fire around the entire planet, that was stated by fred himself in the original fall of reach.


the planet was completely glassed yet it still had an atmosphere and a biosphere? right.. clearly the covenant don't "glass" planets, if you even understood the datapads you would know the AI's coined that term to make it seem more deadly.

vague evidence yet they must have seen a planet "glassed" in order to make up such assumption; they even talk about ditching the outer colonies to buy time; did you even read them?


Ten years of nothing rob. We see from halowars and the engagements surrounding harvest that the entire planet wasn't glassed despite it being claim.

And again, fred clearly states in TFoR that the planet was on fire not glassed.

now read this rob



Posted by: anton1792
Posted by: privet caboose
Anton, can you please provide me with the original page number in the first issue that says every square milimeter was glassed, and the page number in the rewrite where that line was removed?

Original: Page 105
"When the Covenant destroys a planet, they typically move their large warships closer and blanket the world with a series of crisscrossing orbits to ensure that every square millimetre of the surface is covered with plasma bombardments."


2010 Version: Page 130
"When the Covenant destroys a planet, they typically move their large warships closer and blanket the world with a series of crisscrossing orbits to ensure that nothing could ever survive on its surface."


Why change this rather inconspicuous line out of the entire book when it was seemingly no error and also in no contradiction with anything else in the "Old canon"?

Another change I noticed from one of Lt. Wagner's lines:

Original: Page 102
"Before I jumped to Slipspace, I witnessed the poles destroyed, and approximately two thirds of the planets surface was on fire."


2010 version: Page 128
"Before I jumped to Slipspace, I witnessed the poles destroyed, and a significant portion of the planet's surface was on fire."



you ignored this rob

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Posted by: Kyle Knight
If we're talking Inika, the Bionicleverse would win.

End of story.

Additionally, Makuta and Mata Nui could just shoot anything out of orbit that tried to kill them. Nukes? Give me a break.


You could argue that Halo could kill them all, but think again. They're robots! And if you don't buy that argument, I'm sure Makuta could just use that gravity bomb thing of his to wipe out all the Halo rings within minutes.


And like I said. Inika. That's already more than any covie fleet/UNSC fleet/Forerunner could handle.



Oh, well then again, you have spartans.

And Chief. Who always has luck on his side, which was kinda what killed Makuta in the end...


...


I still say Bionicle.


Try this one: They can't touch the Precursors.

But we're not really talking about them because they're an instant-win faction (unless Bionicle has an equally overpowered race of gods who under no uncertain terms cannot be targeted and fought with anything short of a Halo Ring set to a certain frequency, bar nothing.)

Since the Bionicles have no weapons to fight them with, and thus auto-lose, I believe we're just talking about normal races. But still, I know as much about Bionicle as Factpile knows about logic, so they could have a god-race I don't know about, at which point this would be a tie citing the eternal conundrum paradox. Precursors can't touch them, they can't touch the Precursors.

Anyway, the weakest known Forerunner ship, a 1 km, tiny little thing, is called a Planet Breaker. Take that how you will, but do the Bionicles have anything that could survive a multi-hundred-terraton attack?

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Posted by: goldhawk
We should know better, because we are better.

Except that Teridax was only killed when he was shoved under one of the Great Moons (I will stress again that these moons are massive) falling back to Bara Magna. Those robots could survive a Nova Bomb easily.

  • 07.31.2011 4:21 PM PDT

*Sigh* Another versus thread, started off with fun intentions, and quickly turning into a Forerunner and Precursor fanclub mentioning and worship session.

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Posted by: Kyle Knight
If we're talking Inika, the Bionicleverse would win.

End of story.

Additionally, Makuta and Mata Nui could just shoot anything out of orbit that tried to kill them. Nukes? Give me a break.


You could argue that Halo could kill them all, but think again. They're robots! And if you don't buy that argument, I'm sure Makuta could just use that gravity bomb thing of his to wipe out all the Halo rings within minutes.


And like I said. Inika. That's already more than any covie fleet/UNSC fleet/Forerunner could handle.



Oh, well then again, you have spartans.

And Chief. Who always has luck on his side, which was kinda what killed Makuta in the end...


...


I still say Bionicle.


Try this one: They can't touch the Precursors.

But we're not really talking about them because they're an instant-win faction (unless Bionicle has an equally overpowered race of gods who under no uncertain terms cannot be targeted and fought with anything short of a Halo Ring set to a certain frequency, bar nothing.)

Since the Bionicles have no weapons to fight them with, and thus auto-lose, I believe we're just talking about normal races. But still, I know as much about Bionicle as Factpile knows about logic, so they could have a god-race I don't know about, at which point this would be a tie citing the eternal conundrum paradox. Precursors can't touch them, they can't touch the Precursors.

Anyway, the weakest known Forerunner ship, a 1 km, tiny little thing, is called a Planet Breaker. Take that how you will, but do the Bionicles have anything that could survive a multi-hundred-terraton attack?


Not to mention the 10k strong generic Forerunner fleet firing their heavy guns at the same time.

Still... against DBZ cultures like this...

  • 07.31.2011 4:24 PM PDT

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Posted by: ROBERTO jh
Add onto the fact 343i seems to be ignoring the existance of that "retcon"; all of their informational videos on Waypoint that involve it point to entire planets being immolated. How many times has the Return beeen re-released?

It is one of their stories that actually gave me the idea to write that thread: The Return.

Posted by: ROBERTO jh
Or howabout the re-released original novel trilogy. No glassing retcons there, so I hear. Same with Evolutions Volume I and II, no retcons.

Had you not ignored Grey's post, you would see that they have ret-conned the glassing concept in First Strike. Read grey's post and stop ignoring evidence that -blam!-s your position.

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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
*Sigh* Another versus thread, started off with fun intentions, and quickly turning into a Forerunner and Precursor fanclub mentioning and worship session.


Get Sage to nerf the Forerunners and I'll stop mentioning their incredible feats. Until then, Forerunners are Cultier.

  • 07.31.2011 4:26 PM PDT


Posted by: SC Matt Klassen

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
*Sigh* Another versus thread, started off with fun intentions, and quickly turning into a Forerunner and Precursor fanclub mentioning and worship session.


Get Sage to nerf the Forerunners and I'll stop mentioning their incredible feats. Until then, Forerunners are Cultier.


cultier? Ugh.

How about you stop riding on the vague descriptions(from what I've heard) of what they can do?

Literally, your posts have reeked of "Forerunners win just cause."

  • 07.31.2011 4:28 PM PDT


Posted by: ROBERTO jh

Posted by: Kyle Knight
If we're talking Inika, the Bionicleverse would win.

End of story.

Additionally, Makuta and Mata Nui could just shoot anything out of orbit that tried to kill them. Nukes? Give me a break.


You could argue that Halo could kill them all, but think again. They're robots! And if you don't buy that argument, I'm sure Makuta could just use that gravity bomb thing of his to wipe out all the Halo rings within minutes.


And like I said. Inika. That's already more than any covie fleet/UNSC fleet/Forerunner could handle.



Oh, well then again, you have spartans.

And Chief. Who always has luck on his side, which was kinda what killed Makuta in the end...


...


I still say Bionicle.


Try this one: They can't touch the Precursors.

But we're not really talking about them because they're an instant-win faction (unless Bionicle has an equally overpowered race of gods who under no uncertain terms cannot be targeted and fought with anything short of a Halo Ring set to a certain frequency, bar nothing.)

Since the Bionicles have no weapons to fight them with, and thus auto-lose, I believe we're just talking about normal races. But still, I know as much about Bionicle as Factpile knows about logic, so they could have a god-race I don't know about, at which point this would be a tie citing the eternal conundrum paradox. Precursors can't touch them, they can't touch the Precursors.

Anyway, the weakest known Forerunner ship, a 1 km, tiny little thing, is called a Planet Breaker. Take that how you will, but do the Bionicles have anything that could survive a multi-hundred-terraton attack?



Mata Nui. Makuta Taridax. And Makuta could destroy it within seconds. Gravity bomb. He almost destroys an entire planet that way, but is forced to missfire which hits two moons, and the moons come back and kill him.


I think they, and the other Bionicles that would take refuge inside their suits, would survive an attack from a space ship.


As for Precursors, I have no idea who they are. Please explain. If they are "God like" beings, the match for them in the Bionicleverse would probably be the Great Spirits, Makuta Teridax, or Mata Nui. And of course the mask of life.

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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: SC Matt Klassen

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
*Sigh* Another versus thread, started off with fun intentions, and quickly turning into a Forerunner and Precursor fanclub mentioning and worship session.


Get Sage to nerf the Forerunners and I'll stop mentioning their incredible feats. Until then, Forerunners are Cultier.


cultier? Ugh.

How about you stop riding on the vague descriptions(from what I've heard) of what they can do?


Culture-tier civilization. Read the books sometime.

Read Cryptum plzthx.

  • 07.31.2011 4:31 PM PDT


Posted by: Kyle Knight
As for Precursors, I have no idea who they are. Please explain. If they are "God like" beings, the match for them in the Bionicleverse would probably be the Great Spirits, Makuta Teridax, or Mata Nui. And of course the mask of life.


No, you see the precursors are the all knowing, UNBEATABLE AND UNTOUCHABLE gods of the halo universe.

They literally cannot be bea... oh wait, the forerunners, which apparently are pathetic compared to precursors, managed to kill them all?

If they are so godlike, why didn't they win the conflict versus the Forerunners instantly? If they were so godlike, why would they leave a weakness (that certain frequency) and let the forerunners develop a weapon to use it?

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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: Kyle Knight
As for Precursors, I have no idea who they are. Please explain. If they are "God like" beings, the match for them in the Bionicleverse would probably be the Great Spirits, Makuta Teridax, or Mata Nui. And of course the mask of life.


No, you see the precursors are the all knowing, UNBEATABLE AND UNTOUCHABLE gods of the halo universe.

They literally cannot be bea... oh wait, the forerunners, which apparently are pathetic compared to precursors, managed to kill them all?

If they are so godlike, why didn't they win the conflict versus the Forerunners instantly? If they were so godlike, why would they leave a weakness (that certain frequency) and let the forerunners develop a weapon to use it?


That's still so damn sketchy...

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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: Kyle Knight
As for Precursors, I have no idea who they are. Please explain. If they are "God like" beings, the match for them in the Bionicleverse would probably be the Great Spirits, Makuta Teridax, or Mata Nui. And of course the mask of life.


No, you see the precursors are the all knowing, UNBEATABLE AND UNTOUCHABLE gods of the halo universe.

They literally cannot be bea... oh wait, the forerunners, which apparently are pathetic compared to precursors, managed to kill them all?

If they are so godlike, why didn't they win the conflict versus the Forerunners instantly? If they were so godlike, why would they leave a weakness (that certain frequency) and let the forerunners develop a weapon to use it?


i love how people don't know the whole story but make assumptions.

As if the forerunners couldn't pick up a precursor ship and us it against them. not to mention it seems like the flood was been released several times before, so lets wait till the eggs hatch to count them.

  • 07.31.2011 4:35 PM PDT


Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: Kyle Knight
As for Precursors, I have no idea who they are. Please explain. If they are "God like" beings, the match for them in the Bionicleverse would probably be the Great Spirits, Makuta Teridax, or Mata Nui. And of course the mask of life.


No, you see the precursors are the all knowing, UNBEATABLE AND UNTOUCHABLE gods of the halo universe.

They literally cannot be bea... oh wait, the forerunners, which apparently are pathetic compared to precursors, managed to kill them all?

If they are so godlike, why didn't they win the conflict versus the Forerunners instantly? If they were so godlike, why would they leave a weakness (that certain frequency) and let the forerunners develop a weapon to use it?


I have no idea who you guys are talking about. I have never heard of Precursors. If they died along with the Forerunners, isn't that saying something?

And you can try pulling out the "Bionicles were also ancient beings card," but it would fail. The mask of life sent the Mata Nui and Makuta battle out to a planet called Bara Magna, which happened to be either REALLY FAR away from the original planet, which resembled Earth, or in an entirely different universe. So, your "amazing" Precursors have already lost. For all we know, the fictional world of Bionicle could have them surviving out on a distant planet in our own time.

Still alive vs a dead race leaves an obvious victor. Bionicleverse.

[Edited on 07.31.2011 4:38 PM PDT]

  • 07.31.2011 4:36 PM PDT

Heh, Grey I'm pointing out what I've seen used in versus threads before.

It's always "Forerunners are god-like and thus cannot be beaten."

And "Precursors literally cannot be touched be anything!"

When the precursors clearly and obviously got destroyed by the forerunners, making them less untouchable in my eyes.

Either way, I'm sick of both factions to the core.

Edit: As I said Kyle, the Precursors was a race that came before the Forerunners, and made the forerunners look pathetic. However recently it's became known that despite the Precursors being so powerful, the Forerunners wiped them all out.

[Edited on 07.31.2011 4:41 PM PDT]

  • 07.31.2011 4:40 PM PDT