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W T F is this...

  • 07.31.2011 8:04 PM PDT
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Posted by: goldhawk
We should know better, because we are better.


Posted by: iceman021011
W T F is this...

A versus thread between Bionicle and Halo. We have them every so often. Usually lasts a long time.

  • 07.31.2011 8:06 PM PDT

actualy its not the mask that allows control. the have amounts of elemental energy in there bodies that they can channel and control, the mask grant other powers like things like xray vision or levitation,there are only five mask with elemental powers, the mask of time, life, creation, light, and darkness
Posted by: Xd00999
Teridax is called Makuta because he is the leader of the Botherhood of Makuta. He is called Makuta because he is the most prolific of them all and the last one left (I think). Same reason why you think of Obama when I say Mr. President.

@Roberto: Each To a has a mask that allows them to manipulate that element to an extent. There is a mask of fire, plasma, gravity, water, and many more. The Mask of Life is the most powerful mask and can create/destroy/evolve life. If it is destroyed, the massive outburst of power would bring every object to life.

  • 07.31.2011 8:06 PM PDT
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Posted by: goldhawk
We should know better, because we are better.

My mistake. It has been a while. The fact that Bionicle has those masks means that they can put up an even better fight though.

  • 07.31.2011 8:12 PM PDT

Of course, some of those masks makes the opposing force have a far harder time.

Mask of shielding anybody?

  • 07.31.2011 8:15 PM PDT

exactly. i neve thought this would become popular. although the forerunner/persacuor argumant has become a rediculous cliche to the max...

  • 07.31.2011 8:15 PM PDT
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Posted by: darkhalo 136
tetridax was shure one evil SON OF A B*TCH. one of the smartest villans of all time. I was relly annoyed about how they ended the toy line, the bionicle stars were a bull-blam!- test of hero factory... either wak the mask of life would win any battle, wepons are usless when no one is alive to use them.

nice too meet a fellow bionicle fan educated in the lore.

p.s. brutaka would open a dimesinal gat to the inside of there ships and pwn them...


I can only interpret what you said from my outsiders view of the series, but have you read Cryptum? Do you know what the Forerunners can do?


*Brutaka opens a portal to a Forerunner Fortress*

*He goes through*

*On the other side, there's two hundred Prometheans in Seeker Combat Armor*

Brutaka: "Mommy..."

  • 07.31.2011 8:20 PM PDT
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Posted by: Xd00999
Greg Farshtey was really dedicated to this. You got to give him credit, making the entire universe himself. I still love that stuff. You also have to wonder what the effects on Bara Magna will be. Slamming a pair of planets into it is bound to cause some big climate problems, especially considering one is all water.


Indeed, I just spent a good chunk of the afternoon reading stuff on the Bionicle wiki and reading up on the current story releases XD There's apparently been a Great Being that disguised itself as a denizen of Mata Nui's body and has been lurking about all this time and is now running around and assassinating all of the most powerful characters who would pose the most significant threat to it, so far it's gotten Karzahni and Tren Krom and set up a nasty trap for Axon, Artahka, Brutahka, Vezon, Tuyet, the Great Being the Mask of Life cursed, Miserax, and whoever the other people in that group was.

Yeah...didn't Mata Nui pretty much heal Spherus Magna completely after Aqua Magna and Bota Magna collided with Bara Magna?

That definitely opens up dozens of potential story lines right there! And Teridax was running one of the best Xanatos gambits I've seen.
Ah, nostalgia, how I've missed you. I remember collecting every single Bionicle I could find.


Which category is Bionicle under in TV Tropes?

Also, Azazel's Xanatos Gambit matches Teridax's.
PS. who the heck is Teridax?


It has it's own page on TV Tropes and in other articles it will appear under the "toys" heading.

Teridax is THE Makuta, you know, the main villain for almost the entirety of Bionicle's storyline. (FYI, I'm not being condescending, not meaning to be anyway, sorry if I come across that way).


The hell did they have to name that Makuta? The whole faceless/nameless horror in the shadows is a much better concept. Once you give a name to something, it loses a significant portion of it's hold over you.

  • 07.31.2011 8:23 PM PDT


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Posted by: darkhalo 136
tetridax was shure one evil SON OF A B*TCH. one of the smartest villans of all time. I was relly annoyed about how they ended the toy line, the bionicle stars were a bull-blam!- test of hero factory... either wak the mask of life would win any battle, wepons are usless when no one is alive to use them.

nice too meet a fellow bionicle fan educated in the lore.

p.s. brutaka would open a dimesinal gat to the inside of there ships and pwn them...


I can only interpret what you said from my outsiders view of the series, but have you read Cryptum? Do you know what the Forerunners can do?


*Brutaka opens a portal to a Forerunner Fortress*

*He goes through*

*On the other side, there's two hundred Prometheans in Seeker Combat Armor*

Brutaka: "Mommy..."


Thats rediculous; Prometheans are the highest ranking officers in the Forerunner military; to have 200 hundred on a single ship--hell, to have 200 period --is grossly overestimating their numbers.

However, we use the Forerunners because of the title of the thread. I'm not counting the Precursors because that'd just be unfair. Under no uncertain terms do the Bionicles have the weaponry to damage them, this much I know.

But as I know nothing of the Bionicles, they could be as powerful, maybe even more so then the Forerunners, which is why I used them. Unless for some reason the Forerunners are considered non-canon, I see no reason why they should not be used in any debate.

Just because they're impossibly OPed does not mean they can't be used. They are apart of Halo. When someone asks "Halo vs*whoever*" there is no reason to not use the Forerunners or even Precursors because they are apart of that universe. To only use the other three races is to not say Halo vs *whatever,* it is to say "UNSC, Covenant and Flood vs *whatever*".

As it stands, the Precursors are invunerable to anything short of a God or Halo itself, so most universes would be beat by them, including Bionicle if they don't have a God.

But for this argument, I understand keeping them out for argument's sake.

[Edited on 07.31.2011 8:30 PM PDT]

  • 07.31.2011 8:30 PM PDT

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Why the -blam!- did you guys let it get this big?

  • 07.31.2011 8:35 PM PDT

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Now what would happen if the mask of life was used on precursor artifacts.

  • 07.31.2011 8:47 PM PDT


Posted by: Spartan 100
Now what would happen if the mask of life was used on precursor artifacts.



Well, they seem to have a neural connection with.....something. They strike me from their description, and that of neural physics, to be the physical embodiement of consciousness and the universe. Since, evidently, the Halo universe is in itself alive with real conscious existence (and I think its sae to say we're not using the universe itself in this debate either) I believe Precursor structures are an embodiement of that.

Sounds like the universe is God and the Precursors are the Angels, since its also implied heavily that the Universe--"God"--manipulates the fates of civilizations and individuals via synchrons.....

Either way, they're technically alive already, so who knows.

  • 07.31.2011 8:52 PM PDT

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Posted by: darkhalo 136
tetridax was shure one evil SON OF A B*TCH. one of the smartest villans of all time. I was relly annoyed about how they ended the toy line, the bionicle stars were a bull-blam!- test of hero factory... either wak the mask of life would win any battle, wepons are usless when no one is alive to use them.

nice too meet a fellow bionicle fan educated in the lore.

p.s. brutaka would open a dimesinal gat to the inside of there ships and pwn them...


I can only interpret what you said from my outsiders view of the series, but have you read Cryptum? Do you know what the Forerunners can do?


*Brutaka opens a portal to a Forerunner Fortress*

*He goes through*

*On the other side, there's two hundred Prometheans in Seeker Combat Armor*

Brutaka: "Mommy..."


Thats rediculous; Prometheans are the highest ranking officers in the Forerunner military; to have 200 hundred on a single ship--hell, to have 200 period --is grossly overestimating their numbers.

However, we use the Forerunners because of the title of the thread. I'm not counting the Precursors because that'd just be unfair. Under no uncertain terms do the Bionicles have the weaponry to damage them, this much I know.

But as I know nothing of the Bionicles, they could be as powerful, maybe even more so then the Forerunners, which is why I used them. Unless for some reason the Forerunners are considered non-canon, I see no reason why they should not be used in any debate.

Just because they're impossibly OPed does not mean they can't be used. They are apart of Halo. When someone asks "Halo vs*whoever*" there is no reason to not use the Forerunners or even Precursors because they are apart of that universe. To only use the other three races is to not say Halo vs *whatever,* it is to say "UNSC, Covenant and Flood vs *whatever*".

As it stands, the Precursors are invunerable to anything short of a God or Halo itself, so most universes would be beat by them, including Bionicle if they don't have a God.

But for this argument, I understand keeping them out for argument's sake.

But Bionicle does basiclly have gods on there sides

  • 07.31.2011 8:59 PM PDT


Posted by: darkhalo 136
Oh yeah, I was really into the story, we stopped getting the comics around the time of the Bohrok Kal I believe, and I remember feeling very frustrated that the online archive of them was so slow to update with new issues. It's nice that even though they canceled the toyline they have the kindness to continue finishing the story, even if updates are painfully slow in coming :/ Such an entertaining story :)

...I can't help but wonder if Makuta Teridax actually really is gone, knowing how devious his plans are it would not surprise me at all if he had some sort of contingency plan for if he got kicked out, his plot to take over Mata Nui's body was probably one of the greatest schemes I've ever seen a villain pull off!

I have Bionicle figures of all shapes, sizes, series, and factions scattered all over my room, haha, amongst other Lego contraptions of my creation :P

Back onto the topic at hand, the Forerunners and Precursors are not the end all and be all, there are plenty of monstrosities or powerful being in Bionicle that either severely outclass them are highly capable of giving them a good run for their money. Tren Krom comes to mind, or the Great Beings, or hell even some of the more ordinary guys could as well. And I don't think a Halo would really work on most of the Bionicle characters as the vast majority of them are mostly machine. The only truly organic characters I can think of would be the new races and characters introduced in the Bara Magna series.

tetridax was shure one evil SON OF A B*TCH. one of the smartest villans of all time. I was relly annoyed about how they ended the toy line, the bionicle stars were a bull-blam!- test of hero factory... either wak the mask of life would win any battle, wepons are usless when no one is alive to use them.

nice too meet a fellow bionicle fan educated in the lore.

p.s. brutaka would open a dimesinal gat to the inside of there ships and pwn them...


Definitely, I remember having a massive case of shock and being utterly speechless when he took control of Mata Nui's body, sheer and utter genius.

Mhm, I didn't really see them as a test for Hero Factory, I saw them as just more Agori, but still being lazy, I expected them to actually have one final real series before the end :/ Or some sort of big anniversary send off by re-releasing updated versions of the Toa Mata or something like that.

And yeah, the more I think about it and the more I remember at Bionicle it's actually I think a rather close and interesting match with Halo. Bionicle has quite a few trump cards of its own to play, like the Mask of Life, and of course the Mask of Time, or any number of the immensely powerful beings running around, the trick would be getting them all to unite :P


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Posted by: OrderedComa
Teridax is THE Makuta, you know, the main villain for almost the entirety of Bionicle's storyline. (FYI, I'm not being condescending, not meaning to be anyway, sorry if I come across that way).


The hell did they have to name that Makuta? The whole faceless/nameless horror in the shadows is a much better concept. Once you give a name to something, it loses a significant portion of it's hold over you.


He always had a name, at the beginning of the series he was named Makuta, but once Lego created the Brotherhood of Makuta and made it a race of beings they had to give him another name I guess *shrug*
That is kind of true I guess, but quite frankly I think something can be quite scary even it is given a proper name.


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Posted by: darkhalo 136
tetridax was shure one evil SON OF A B*TCH. one of the smartest villans of all time. I was relly annoyed about how they ended the toy line, the bionicle stars were a bull-blam!- test of hero factory... either wak the mask of life would win any battle, wepons are usless when no one is alive to use them.

nice too meet a fellow bionicle fan educated in the lore.

p.s. brutaka would open a dimesinal gat to the inside of there ships and pwn them...


I can only interpret what you said from my outsiders view of the series, but have you read Cryptum? Do you know what the Forerunners can do?


*Brutaka opens a portal to a Forerunner Fortress*

*He goes through*

*On the other side, there's two hundred Prometheans in Seeker Combat Armor*

Brutaka: "Mommy..."


Meh, I think Brutaka could probably handle them somehow, whether it be summoning some sort of aberration or other cosmic horror with his mask or teleporting all those Forerunners god knows where... *shrug*
Brutaka's probably one of the most powerful "ordinary" beings in Bionicle's universe, there's a reason why he was one of the selected guardians for the Mask of Life.

  • 07.31.2011 8:59 PM PDT

Wow, this thread is still active. Nice job Op.


But guys, come on. Bionicle already won.


And then that one guy topped it off with the Brutaka Teleportation power comment. Full of win.

Bionicle beats the Haloverse.

  • 07.31.2011 9:11 PM PDT
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Posted by: SC Matt Klassen
OT: I would love to see a UNSC/Covenant Joint Operation raid on Xia or Odina.

*This is obviously before the wank saga began, and during the Voya Nui saga.*


I like how this scenario is ignored, despite it being not related to god races in any way...

  • 07.31.2011 9:16 PM PDT
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Posted by: goldhawk
We should know better, because we are better.

Brutaka is easily able of taking on and beating a Promethean. He was in both the Brotherhood and the Order, both of which are full of strong guys. He was, and is, immensely powerful, possibly even more so after the Pit mutated him. If he could open a portal to a forerunner ship, he could easily open another and teleport all over the place, confusing the forerunners.

  • 07.31.2011 9:18 PM PDT

Oh, and I agree with the Bionicle fans on this thread.


The Makuta Teridax takeover? Pure Genious. When I saw that happen, I was literally jaw-dropped.

I mean, Makuta Teridax is probably one of the greatest fictional evil genious guys ever. Up there with Palpatine and Jack of Blades really.

  • 07.31.2011 9:20 PM PDT
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Do not waste your tears, I was not born to watch the world grow dim. Life is not measured in years, but by the deeds of men.

Posted by: goldhawk
We should know better, because we are better.


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Posted by: SC Matt Klassen
OT: I would love to see a UNSC/Covenant Joint Operation raid on Xia or Odina.

*This is obviously before the wank saga began, and during the Voya Nui saga.*


I like how this scenario is ignored, despite it being not related to god races in any way...

Alright then. Xia is the premier weapon manufacturing area and Odina is home to the Makuta. Xia's weapons can destroy islands, so I'm going with their victory on ground again. The Makuta are fairly self explanatory.

  • 07.31.2011 9:20 PM PDT


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Posted by: SC Matt Klassen
OT: I would love to see a UNSC/Covenant Joint Operation raid on Xia or Odina.

*This is obviously before the wank saga began, and during the Voya Nui saga.*


I like how this scenario is ignored, despite it being not related to god races in any way...


I remember Voya Nui, but I don't remember the other points of your comment. Please explain. I'm curious.

  • 07.31.2011 9:22 PM PDT

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The mask of life could possibly and likely destroy precursor things.
The mask of creation could make armies I guess.

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OT: I would love to see a UNSC/Covenant Joint Operation raid on Xia or Odina.

*This is obviously before the wank saga began, and during the Voya Nui saga.*


I like how this scenario is ignored, despite it being not related to god races in any way...


I remember Voya Nui, but I don't remember the other points of your comment. Please explain. I'm curious.

Xia is the Vortixx homeland (Roodaka's race) and also is the main weapons dealer on Aqua Magna.

Odina is where the Dark Hunters have their headquarters.

The UNSC and Covenant are not allowed to use nukes or orbital bombardment, but are able to use everything else. Objective is to wipe out the Dark Hunters and/or destroy Xia's infrastructure.

  • 07.31.2011 10:06 PM PDT

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United, they are pretty powerfull. They can control the plasma, electromagentic fields so it would be hard to use that against them, hard light? That can be controlled too. Use a Halo? Maybe, just maybe the mask of life could do something about it.

  • 07.31.2011 10:30 PM PDT
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This is lame ...

  • 08.01.2011 3:47 AM PDT

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Precursors win.

Halo would obliterate them.

  • 08.01.2011 6:25 AM PDT