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Posted by: Old Papa Rich
Posted by: ExquisiteDragon
The tool is useless.
This is absolutley untrue. What people need to understand that given the sheer volume of activity, there just isn't a way to have things happen instantly in real time.


Truth.

Old Papa Rich has banned me 4 days after I made a post in Optimatch on a thread that had fallen a few pages back. I messaged him saying something like lol 4 days?

His response below.

Posted by: Old Papa Rich
The report queue has a long memory.


:(

  • 08.01.2011 12:13 AM PDT
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Posted by: Geegs30
Posted by: dmg04
Bungie should start charging moolah.


I'd be down to pay 5 bucks a month for this website.

I honestly wouldn't mind having a "paying members only" section of the site. $5 a month seems pretty high. I would gladly pay a one time $10 charge to be some sort of premium Bungie.net member that gets access to Bungie Pro and other cool stuff.
5 is on the high side, for sure. But hell, i've enjoyed the products, swag, and website for how long now?

If a buck a month [12 a year] reduces the amount of idiots accessing the website, why not? Creating an alt account would cost money, and i'd laugh even harder when seeing someone being banned AND losing money for it. Even if it is just a dollar.

  • 08.01.2011 12:13 AM PDT

Just in response to people reporting via PM: who are you sending them to? I've only gotten a single PM in the last four days, and it wasn't even a report. In fact, I don't even know when the last time I got one...

I obviously can't speak for other moderators, but it doesn't bother me if you do send them my way.

  • 08.01.2011 12:15 AM PDT
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Posted by: dazarobbo
Just in response to people reporting via PM: who are you sending them to? I've only gotten a single PM in the last four days, and it wasn't even a report. In fact, I don't even know when the last time I got one...

I obviously can't speak for other moderators, but it doesn't bother me if you do send them my way.

Meme: PM Duardo

Personally, i've only cared to PM a few mods. I think i've shot a few to Foman, Duardo, The Slayer... and Qbix. Most of my PMs to Qbix are love letters though

  • 08.01.2011 12:18 AM PDT

Posted by: Dustin 6047
Troll confirmed. I never even insulted you

Posted by: Dustin 6047
OP - You're a dumbass with the reading comprehension skills of a second grader.


Can someone tell me what's wrong with these two, this made me LOL hard.


Posted by: dazarobbo
Just in response to people reporting via PM: who are you sending them to? I've only gotten a single PM in the last four days, and it wasn't even a report. In fact, I don't even know when the last time I got one...

I obviously can't speak for other moderators, but it doesn't bother me if you do send them my way.
Usually, I send things involving networking or information about my account to Achronos or Urk.

  • 08.01.2011 12:21 AM PDT

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Posted by: dazarobbo
Just in response to people reporting via PM: who are you sending them to? I've only gotten a single PM in the last four days, and it wasn't even a report. In fact, I don't even know when the last time I got one...

I obviously can't speak for other moderators, but it doesn't bother me if you do send them my way.

Have you been posting often? I know for me, I always send the PMs to the top 2-3 mods of the UStalker script. I'll try and include you from now on Daza.

[Edited on 08.01.2011 12:24 AM PDT]

  • 08.01.2011 12:23 AM PDT

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Posted by: dazarobbo
Just in response to people reporting via PM: who are you sending them to? I've only gotten a single PM in the last four days, and it wasn't even a report. In fact, I don't even know when the last time I got one...
I obviously can't speak for other moderators, but it doesn't bother me if you do send them my way.
How in hell am I expected to pm moderators? I can only pm one user at a time, I have no means of knowing which mods are active(inb4 ustalker, I browse a lot on my phone and ustalker is not reliable anyway). I should not have to go out of my way to get you incompetents to fulfil your roles. You haven't even moderated this thread.

[Edited on 08.01.2011 12:26 AM PDT]

  • 08.01.2011 12:26 AM PDT
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Posted by: dazarobbo
Just in response to people reporting via PM: who are you sending them to? I've only gotten a single PM in the last four days, and it wasn't even a report. In fact, I don't even know when the last time I got one...

I obviously can't speak for other moderators, but it doesn't bother me if you do send them my way.


I will usually PM a mod if I see a thread in a forum that doesn't receive that much attention getting out of hand.(For example the current H3 forum.)

I think I have sent my PM's to Revan and Tom T though.

[Edited on 08.01.2011 12:42 AM PDT]

  • 08.01.2011 12:32 AM PDT
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Posted by: dazarobbo
Just in response to people reporting via PM: who are you sending them to? I've only gotten a single PM in the last four days, and it wasn't even a report. In fact, I don't even know when the last time I got one...
I obviously can't speak for other moderators, but it doesn't bother me if you do send them my way.
How in hell am I expected to pm moderators? I can only pm one user at a time, I have no means of knowing which mods are active(inb4 ustalker, I browse a lot on my phone and ustalker is not reliable anyway). I should not have to go out of my way to get you incompetents to fulfil your roles. You haven't even moderated this thread.
If you truly believe that, you shouldn't go out of your way to complain about something as meaningless as an internet forum.

If you want something done, then do your part. Don't expect everything to be done for you.

  • 08.01.2011 12:49 AM PDT

One other thing: if you do send reports via PMs, please don't expect a response. It is none of your concern as to whether another member was warned, banned, etc... That's between us and the member you're reporting.

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Posted by: dazarobbo
One other thing: if you do send reports via PMs, please don't expect a response. It is none of your concern as to whether another member was warned, banned, etc... That's between us and the member you're reporting.
Well it would be nice to know if it was dealt with or even looked at... Otherwise we will contact other moderators and then even bring it up in threads like this saying that nothing was done, even when a moderator was contacted.

  • 08.01.2011 12:57 AM PDT
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Posted by: Skibur
Posted by: dazarobbo
One other thing: if you do send reports via PMs, please don't expect a response. It is none of your concern as to whether another member was warned, banned, etc... That's between us and the member you're reporting.
Well it would be nice to know if it was dealt with or even looked at... Otherwise we will contact other moderators and then even bring it up in threads like this saying that nothing was done, even when a moderator was contacted.


I usually just check back later to see, not hard to tell if something was done.

  • 08.01.2011 1:02 AM PDT
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Posted by: Skibur
Posted by: dazarobbo
One other thing: if you do send reports via PMs, please don't expect a response. It is none of your concern as to whether another member was warned, banned, etc... That's between us and the member you're reporting.
Well it would be nice to know if it was dealt with or even looked at... Otherwise we will contact other moderators and then even bring it up in threads like this saying that nothing was done, even when a moderator was contacted.
Quick question;

Why does it matter if something has been done or not? I see things being done pretty often... and whenever i think 'hmm i wonder if that guy was banned', it was usually something that had happened days before and had disappeared from sight completely.

  • 08.01.2011 1:15 AM PDT

Right then yay timezones.

Posted by: Great_Pretender
Posted by: Nerd Boi
Words.

It sounds like you have a perfectly easy time ignoring the spam that comes into the forum, so I don't know why you're arguing so strongly for having mods on 24/7 to stop the spam when it happens.
To begin here, you're making the assumption that I see those things as worthy of being reported and simply not. There might be a small amount of posts/threads meeting that, but by and large it is not. I don't care enough to report mild flaming or stepping over the line into politics or religion because I don't see it as disruptive enough to warrant action in the majority of cases. Good threads stay good, and straying over the line can make for more entertaining discussion and reading material. If anything, reporting would be more disruptive for me and numerous other users by removing decent interaction.

For the individual threads that probably break the rules and could be reported there isn't any point. I can simply ignore them, and reporting them isn't going to change anything. Another user will be along to fill that gap, you're not going to stop people being bad members and stepping over the line by waving about an iron fist.

Perhaps I should make this clearer: This isn't me taking issue with the little individual things slipping through the cracks, that is something which is probably inevitable. You cant get everything, some stuff will be missed. This is an issue very squarely aimed at the mass disruptions, and here's the thing: I can be great at avoiding the one or two rule breaking threads on a page, there is still 20+ other threads which are within the rules (though that of course is no indication of quality so there might still not be any good threads, but cant control that) When 20/25 of the threads are all stupid parodies or shock sites, or when every thread has someone spamming shock sites and derailing the entire thread I can't simply block that out because there is nothing else to see.

You're never going to have 24/7 coverage with unpaid moderators, no matter how many you add (and the closer you get to 24/7 coverage, the amount of butting heads increases exponentially, until no one can be bothered moderating because during peak hours every time you try to close a thread or ban someone, someone else will have already done it). And honestly, you don't need 24/7 coverage. The report button is there so you can tell the moderators someone is breaking the rules, and then they get dealt with accordingly (and within 24 hours almost 100% of the time).
I'll try and make this a little clearer too. This isn't an issue of coverage every single second of the day. That isn't something you can assure. Things happen, people are busy. But that is why we have more than one moderator per timezone, so that when one is busy others are hopefully there. To put the issue in fairly blunt terms, that doesn't happen for the Asia-Pacific. There are exactly 2 moderators based in a region stretching from Europe to the West Coast of the US. Even with overlap from early morning/late night moderators in other areas there is a tiny amount of coverage, and from my experience it frequently shows. As above it probably isn't an issue that would be easily solved, as there is a smaller pool of people based in that area and an even smaller pool whos probably at all considered remotely viable, but that doesn't change it being an issue.

Posted by: dmg04
That's like saying you shouldn't come to Bungie.net if you don't like every game they've ever made. They aren't payed to do this. They aren't forced to do anything. Get over it.
Can I also just point out what an utterly stupid argument this is? If you're doing a bad job (Not saying they are) being a volunteer really doesn't make much difference. Don't put your name down if you cant do a good job, and if you no longer can do a good job then let someone else sign up. If the RFS comes to my house and just ignores the bushfire burning it down I don't shrug and say 'well they're volunteers so thats ok' I'll point out that they're supposed to be stopping fires not ignoring them.


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  • 08.01.2011 1:49 AM PDT

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Why volunteer to do something if you aren't going to do it? You volunteered to do it, so yes, it is your job. I'm not saying to make time to be on Bungie, or go out of your way to deal with stuff, but while you are on here, you should be moderating during your other interactions with the community. If that's not your plan, then you should just stop being a moderator so people won't expect anything of you.
Posted by: x Lord Revan x
It is not our job to moderate as someone already pointed out. We're merely volunteers. We can't be on at all times and we do rely on assistance via the report queue.


The problem with the forums is not the moderators though. It's the people. Basically, a small minority of people are simple. To get around this Bungie should implement an IQ test to be taken at the registration of any new account, as well as whenever someone comes off a ban. If people are unable to do well enough, lets say an IQ of 100, then they will be unable to create the account, or get off the ban.

This plan will get rid of all of the slower members of the community. It does not guarantee that trolls and other forum evil-doers will not get on, but the conversations will be of a much higher intelligence.

  • 08.01.2011 2:00 AM PDT

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Posted by: spartakus14
The problem with the forums is not the moderators though. It's the people. Basically, a small minority of people are simple. To get around this Bungie should implement an IQ test to be taken at the registration of any new account, as well as whenever someone comes off a ban. If people are unable to do well enough, lets say an IQ of 100, then they will be unable to create the account, or get off the ban.

This plan will get rid of all of the slower members of the community. It does not guarantee that trolls and other forum evil-doers will not get on, but the conversations will be of a much higher intelligence.

So if someone enjoys playing Halo Reach but they aren't the brightest bulb on the tree, they aren't allowed to come and discuss their favorite game? How elitist can you get?

  • 08.01.2011 4:18 AM PDT
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Posted by: dmg04
That's like saying you shouldn't come to Bungie.net if you don't like every game they've ever made. They aren't payed to do this. They aren't forced to do anything. Get over it.
Can I also just point out what an utterly stupid argument this is? If you're doing a bad job (Not saying they are) being a volunteer really doesn't make much difference. Don't put your name down if you cant do a good job, and if you no longer can do a good job then let someone else sign up. If the RFS comes to my house and just ignores the bushfire burning it down I don't shrug and say 'well they're volunteers so thats ok' I'll point out that they're supposed to be stopping fires not ignoring them.
I dunno, bro. Everyone is making all of these assumptions based on what they see and hear. Only a few people know what it is to be a moderator of Bungie.net, so how can anyone else say that they're doing a terrible job or that they shouldn't be mods blah blah blah?

  • 08.01.2011 5:38 AM PDT

Why do people in ship mutinies always ask for "better treatment"? I'd ask for a pinball machine, because with all that rocking back and forth, you'd get a lot of free games.

Maybe in order to understand mankind, we have to look at the word itself: "Mankind". Basically, it's made up of two separate words - "mank" and "ind". What do these words mean? It's a mystery, and that's why so is mankind.


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Posted by: Nerd Boi

Posted by: dmg04
That's like saying you shouldn't come to Bungie.net if you don't like every game they've ever made. They aren't payed to do this. They aren't forced to do anything. Get over it.
Can I also just point out what an utterly stupid argument this is? If you're doing a bad job (Not saying they are) being a volunteer really doesn't make much difference. Don't put your name down if you cant do a good job, and if you no longer can do a good job then let someone else sign up. If the RFS comes to my house and just ignores the bushfire burning it down I don't shrug and say 'well they're volunteers so thats ok' I'll point out that they're supposed to be stopping fires not ignoring them.
I dunno, bro. Everyone is making all of these assumptions based on what they see and hear. Only a few people know what it is to be a moderator of Bungie.net, so how can anyone else say that they're doing a terrible job or that they shouldn't be mods blah blah blah?



That isn't even close to his argument...

either
1) Mods are expected to go to every forum
2) We get forum specific mods

  • 08.01.2011 5:40 AM PDT

@spawn031

"So much of what we do is ephemeral and quickly forgotten, even by ourselves, so it's gratifying to have something you have done linger in people's memories." John Williams

I bet we don't even see half the crap that most of the mods have to put up with daily.

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  • 08.01.2011 6:17 AM PDT

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Remember that although some of the ideas posted here may help, the moderators take time to prevent these forums from going to hell and deal with tonnes of crap they receive via PM for doing it.
How can serving the community be bad in any way?

  • 08.01.2011 6:24 AM PDT

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Posted by: dmg04
Personally, i've only cared to PM a few mods. I think i've shot a few to Foman, Duardo, The Slayer... and Qbix. Most of my PMs to Qbix are love letters though
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  • 08.01.2011 6:49 AM PDT

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Posted by: Old Papa Rich
Posted by: dmg04
Personally, i've only cared to PM a few mods. I think i've shot a few to Foman, Duardo, The Slayer... and Qbix. Most of my PMs to Qbix are love letters though
:(


I will send you PMs if that would make you feel better.

:D

  • 08.01.2011 6:53 AM PDT

Posted by: DecepticonCobra
I just wish the precious Universe Forum would get some attention.


I wish people would actually read Duardo's "Welcome to the Universe Forum" post. But we can't always get what we want, huh?

Anyway, yeah, I don't think the mods are lazy. Stuff can slip under the radar, I'm sure.

  • 08.01.2011 8:03 AM PDT

@Dazy

I normally continue to PM mods who have appeared to have done something about it in the past. Duardo, Foman, and True Underdog come to mind.

  • 08.01.2011 8:12 AM PDT

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Posted by: dazarobbo
Just in response to people reporting via PM: who are you sending them to? I've only gotten a single PM in the last four days, and it wasn't even a report. In fact, I don't even know when the last time I got one...

I obviously can't speak for other moderators, but it doesn't bother me if you do send them my way.


My problem is how to get a link, I've only recently started using your group so it's sorted now. But I used to scour through old threads I knew had a mod in to contact.

  • 08.01.2011 8:17 AM PDT