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Subject: Possible fix to "Shock Site Spammers"
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Posted by: Yoozel
Regarding links, you have to keep in mind people are increasingly using URL shortening services to hide what they're linking to or redirecting to. It's a risk for anyone on the forum to click them as well as the staff. We all know the internet is not safe but anymore it's not as easy as making a redirection or a pop up screen such as how Blizzard's forums work.

As far as link shortening, what if URL shortening websites were added to what we can't post? Kind of like the extended characters. Most posts now days don't even utilize link shortening unless they're an informative post - even then.

A redirecting page or a pop-up screen definitely wouldn't prevent bad links. It would simply be an added measure of security for the user. As of now the system relies solely on smart browsing - how the internet, as a whole, should be. An added measure of security, like a redirecting page, would give the end user the ultimate responsibility like it is now. It would just be like a "Are you sure?" with having the links destination visible.

Edit:Posted by: Top_Gun_2021
REALLY long post bodies could use those to save on characters though.

Going with my first paragraph, when was the last time you seen a post, or even a thread, actually use the benefits from link shortening services?

Personally, I haven't seen one for a couple of years now.


[Edited on 07.31.2011 6:52 PM PDT]

  • 07.31.2011 6:48 PM PDT

"I don't care if it's God's own anti-Son of a -blam!- Machine or a giant hula-hoop!"

Posted by: NorbergK6
Better idea, make the url to those sites "Blammed" so that when they're linked, the link is broken by itself.

There are too many shock sites to make a "black-list". Plus, new sites like this are formed everyday. It would be like trying to count to infinity.
Posted by: Top_Gun_2021
REALLY long post bodies could use those to save on characters though.

That's true, but most of the time, people who really think out those long posts, don't try to cram it in. They will use the age old, "Reserved" method. So I don't think that should be the sole reason to dismiss the idea.

  • 07.31.2011 6:50 PM PDT
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Posted by: x Foman123 x
LOL, real rap is not made for you, white people.

We don't expect you to "get it." And you don't, as you've made abundantly clear through your numerous embarrassing dances, karaoke performances, ignorant haters, and pitiful imitators.

You giving your opinion on rap is like a dog watching TV. It's kind of cute because it LOOKS like he knows what's going on, but you know he really has no actual ability to comprehend it.


Posted by: Top_Gun_2021
Or people can be smart and not click the links.

  • 07.31.2011 6:52 PM PDT

I'd rather just have people read the links they're about to click. It says where the link leads to when you hover over it with your cursor.

Edit: I see Rokit's [and Yoozel's] point when they discuss URL shortening sites. I guess the best action would be to have a buffer page between B.net and the linked site, giving a warning like "Caution: You are leaving Bungie.net and may be linked to dangerous content" or something of the sort. People would still easily be able to link shock sites, but at least people would remember that they should weigh the risks of going off site.

[Edited on 07.31.2011 6:56 PM PDT]

  • 07.31.2011 6:52 PM PDT

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Posted by: LordOfBlah51
I'd rather just have people read the links they're about to click. It says where the link leads to when you hover over it with your cursor.

Edit: I see Rokit's [and Yoozel's] point when they discuss URL shortening sites. I guess the best action would be to have a buffer page between B.net and the linked site, giving a warning like "Caution: You are leaving Bungie.net and may be linked to dangerous content" or something of the sort. People would still easily be able to link shock sites, but at least people would remember that they should weigh the risks of going off site.

Unfortunately, if people don't check the link before the click it directly to shock sites, they won't bother with the pop-up box. A quick click on the "x" or "continue" and they are on their way. It also would become a hassle, because the majority of links on Bungie.net are to different websites, some bad, some good.

  • 07.31.2011 7:35 PM PDT
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I've seen plenty of alt accounts that were created weeks before any kind of "attack." Until something is actually done in regards to how easy accounts can be made, this will continue to be a cycle.

Btw, school starts back soon, so the trolls and spammers will die down as well. Happens every time.

  • 07.31.2011 7:38 PM PDT

"I don't care if it's God's own anti-Son of a -blam!- Machine or a giant hula-hoop!"

Posted by: Duardo
I've seen plenty of alt accounts that were created weeks before any kind of "attack." Until something is actually done in regards to how easy accounts can be made, this will continue to be a cycle.

This can be stopped. Well, possibly... By introducing the "Trust System." This completely stops the, 'bulk up, and wait' mentality that they have.

Posted by: Duardo
Btw, school starts back soon, so the trolls and spammers will die down as well. Happens every time.

Yep. However if this were implemented towards the end of a "Troll Season" you could see how it worked, and then you would have knowledge on how smoothly the idea works, and whether or not to use it next year. (Or continue it through.)

  • 07.31.2011 7:43 PM PDT

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Posted by: Rokit
Edit:Posted by: Top_Gun_2021
REALLY long post bodies could use those to save on characters though.

Going with my first paragraph, when was the last time you seen a post, or even a thread, actually use the benefits from link shortening services?

Personally, I haven't seen one for a couple of years now.


[Edited on 07.31.2011 6:52 PM PDT]

There's one on the front page...
Here.

  • 07.31.2011 7:43 PM PDT

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Thats like saying uber nerf armor lock because like 20 percent of the community hates it. Oh wait..................

It's kinda sad that this happens i have been here for awhile and seen myself a few deserved bans but randomly trolling with places like meat spin is just rediculous. I would go as far as to say the only way to stop this is forcing all accounts to be linked to a valid gamer tag but thats just using a hammer to kill a fly. totally unfair to most good users.

  • 07.31.2011 7:52 PM PDT
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Posted by: Rokit
Edit:Posted by: Top_Gun_2021
REALLY long post bodies could use those to save on characters though.

Going with my first paragraph, when was the last time you seen a post, or even a thread, actually use the benefits from link shortening services?

Personally, I haven't seen one for a couple of years now.



There's one on the front page...
Here.

Point taken, shows how much interest I have in swag bags lol. So, aside from that thread, when was the last one you seen sam? My main point being: link shortening is rarely utilized to make it worth while.
Posted by: squeak52
Unfortunately, if people don't check the link before the click it directly to shock sites, they won't bother with the pop-up box. A quick click on the "x" or "continue" and they are on their way. It also would become a hassle, because the majority of links on Bungie.net are to different websites, some bad, some good.

Then that will ultimately be the users fault.

The reason for a redirecting page, or pop-up, is to make everyone aware of where the link goes. Sure, we can do that now, but in all honesty, I don't even do it half the time thanks to my internet security. I didn't even look at most URL's before I got internet security. If there were a redirecting or pop-up page? It would be in your face and you'd have to look at the URL.

The point, in my eyes, of a redirecting page isn't to stop bad links all together, rather to make the end-user fully aware of where they're about to go. Whether they already look in the bottom left of their browser or not. It adds more user responsibility, as well as a security measure that relies solely on the user.

  • 07.31.2011 8:00 PM PDT

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Posted by: Rokit
Point taken, shows how much interest I have in swag bags lol. So, aside from that thread, when was the last one you seen sam? My main point being: link shortening is rarely utilized to make it worth while.

I get your point, I was just showing that there was one on the front page. :)

[Edited on 07.31.2011 8:04 PM PDT]

  • 07.31.2011 8:04 PM PDT

"I don't care if it's God's own anti-Son of a -blam!- Machine or a giant hula-hoop!"

Posted by: Rokit
Then that will ultimately be the users fault.

The reason for a redirecting page, or pop-up, is to make everyone aware of where the link goes. Sure, we can do that now, but in all honesty, I don't even do it half the time thanks to my internet security. I didn't even look at most URL's before I got internet security. If there were a redirecting or pop-up page? It would be in your face and you'd have to look at the URL.

The point, in my eyes, of a redirecting page isn't to stop bad links all together, rather to make the end-user fully aware of where they're about to go. Whether they already look in the bottom left of their browser or not. It adds more user responsibility, as well as a security measure that relies solely on the user.

The only way I could see that (the pop-up idea) working, is if it can show the non-shortened URL (if it is in fact shortened), and it doesn't come up for certain sites, like "Youtube".

However, I don't really know that much trust can be placed in users. Which is quite sad...

  • 07.31.2011 8:16 PM PDT

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I can get with Rokit on a redirection page or a warning pop-up for leaving the site, seems like most people are bandwagoning on that idea anymore because it's becoming necessary. We can't teach commonsense or how to use a computer put it right in your face.

But with URL shortening I don't believe that just because it's used for more bad than good that it should be cast out. I think it does have it's purpose but is underutilized in the right manner.

  • 07.31.2011 8:17 PM PDT

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Posted by: Duardo
I've seen plenty of alt accounts that were created weeks before any kind of "attack." Until something is actually done in regards to how easy accounts can be made, this will continue to be a cycle.

Btw, school starts back soon, so the trolls and spammers will die down as well. Happens every time.
Little trolls skips school sometime just to toy with us.

As for being on topic, I did make a suggestion a long time ago, but never happen since it involves a lot of complicated work.

As for the many of you, if you see a post that contains a link that leads to a shock website, immediately report and send a private message to a moderator that includes the following item: Username, link, where the website leads to.


[Edited on 07.31.2011 8:19 PM PDT]

  • 07.31.2011 8:18 PM PDT

Ah, someone leaked. Now to find the leak and.... plug it.
With justice.

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Never Played halo 1 = Invalid opinion
Bloom isn't whats broken, its your idea of what good is and your opinion
Thats like saying uber nerf armor lock because like 20 percent of the community hates it. Oh wait..................

the fact that they prebatch create acounts is almost impressive, Allmost. Can't the servers Ip block though. Halo one pc style didn't matter what your username was if you were off a server u were off it. Can't bungie net be set up to block all incoming sign ins from an ip, atleast for like 4 or 5 days. like a temp IP ban

  • 07.31.2011 8:21 PM PDT

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Posted by: shadow 2648
the fact that they prebatch create acounts is almost impressive, Allmost. Can't the servers Ip block though. Halo one pc style didn't matter what your username was if you were off a server u were off it. Can't bungie net be set up to block all incoming sign ins from an ip, atleast for like 4 or 5 days. like a temp IP ban

IP blocking isn't a viable solution.

Anyone with a dynamic IP, can easily change their IP, and the ban that was previously issued is useless.

  • 07.31.2011 8:24 PM PDT

Ah, someone leaked. Now to find the leak and.... plug it.
With justice.

I use coup 5
Never Played halo 1 = Invalid opinion
Bloom isn't whats broken, its your idea of what good is and your opinion
Thats like saying uber nerf armor lock because like 20 percent of the community hates it. Oh wait..................

IP blocking isn't a viable solution.

Anyone with a dynamic IP, can easily change their IP, and the ban that was previously issued is useless.


then my previous idea would be the only way around it every user account would need to be linked to a valid gamertag. that would stop most of the problem but be unfair to others... ( and i actually editing my post about ip banning since i remembered halo 1 used the validation key as a ban tag not ip address. )

( not nessesaraly a way around it but that would certainly slow them down )



[Edited on 07.31.2011 8:32 PM PDT]

  • 07.31.2011 8:28 PM PDT

Posted by: AngryBrute1
Oh yeah, since somebody does not believe what YOU believe; that makes us vapid...
I cannot grasp that what you call "Something happened to nothing, and that nothing became something, and it was smaller than than a period."

Once I know how, I might make a GM script that blocks certain links.

  • 07.31.2011 8:39 PM PDT

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Posted by: Top_Gun_2021
Or people can be smart and not click the links.
However, its hard to ignore a big wall of spam.
"Oh, look, a bridge. I should ignore it and not jump off of it."

"Oh, look, a free smiley program that is obviously malware. I should ignore it and not download it."

"Oh, look, a gigantic wall of suspicious and blue..."

  • 07.31.2011 11:41 PM PDT
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I'm trying to become an '04, but it's not working too well."

Idea; Compile a list of 'shock websites'

PM to a Moderator asking this list to be submitted for Censoring

All 'ShockSites' change to blam! when posted, even when being placed in the URL field.


Testing below to see if the URL tag does anything...

edit omg lol

[Edited on 08.01.2011 12:21 AM PDT]

  • 08.01.2011 12:21 AM PDT

Wake me, when you need me.

But what about the noobies who are desperately trying to link us to something that is dashingly cool?

It's really simple to hover over a link and not click it.

  • 08.01.2011 1:34 AM PDT

',:|

Why can't there be a list in the moderation system to which mods can add any shock site links, so that anyone linking any of those in the list is automatically red flagged and banned?
As soon as a shock site url is used and caught just once, no one can use it ever again without being automatically banned.

I'm sure it would help.


(It seems others think the same...)

[Edited on 08.01.2011 2:30 AM PDT]

  • 08.01.2011 2:27 AM PDT
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Or just prevent certain links from being able to be posted.

Like the first three letters in a certain address being blammed, which then screws up the entire link...

  • 08.01.2011 3:18 AM PDT

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It wont work. All they'll do is make a large amount of accounts before hand and just wait it out until they can post links.

  • 08.01.2011 4:32 AM PDT

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Posted by: Rokit
My only main concern is legitimate new users. Granted, it's not hard copy-pasting a URL in the bar, but try telling the regulars that. The vast majority of people won't even touch a URL if it isn't linked, and there's very few people that will help them link it.

I do like the concept though, I'm just more of a perpetually updated url blacklist kind of guy.


I think a black list of links would be a good idea, but damn hard to update!!

  • 08.01.2011 5:25 AM PDT

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