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They said move galaxies with the axes.

  • 09.09.2011 9:39 PM PDT


Posted by: Spartan 100
They said move galaxies with the axes.


This. And even then that doesn't really help them in any use.

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"Time was your ally human. But now it has abandoned you. The Forerunners....have returned. And this tomb... is now yours". - The Didact

in order:
reach broke the rules at EVERY corner, there are PLENTY of forums on Bnet alone that prove this.
the halo 4 trailer, the Chief wakes up (without the thawing stage) with fresh armour (i'll admit just for graphics) uses his JETPACK (WTF) and fires a ROCKET PISTOL, that's pretty damn bastardised to me.
when you said about "all halo media is canon" there are many forum threads that prove you wrong again, for example they completely dismissed legends (which also broke the rules on every corner)





-I know Reach broke canon,but we have no choice to accept it.It's up to 343I to say what canon is or not,not us.

The Halo 4 Teaser is non canon,it's not how the events will play.Chiefs new armor desing will be explained in the game itself,he won't just wake up suddenly with new armor(again Teaser=non canon). What i think will happen is that he wakes up with his old armor then get's the new one either inside the ship or inside the "planet".

That's no jetpack,those are thrusters and Spartans do have them(at least Mark VI and above)

And WTF is the problem with that "rocket pistol",when was it a huge problem if they introduce new weapons into the series?

I don't give a -blam!- about what others retards say about Halo legends,i challenge them to come into this thread and list those errors.It didn't broke canon at all,trust me it didn't.

What i find funny is that those Legends haters bash 343 for canon errors and act like smartasses as if they knew anything about Halo,if they trully had any decent knowledge on Halo ,then they should have known it didn't wrecked canon.But again it's the internet we are talking about.

the wiki page, I saved you some time and found the exact paragraph that supports alot of my claims http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Reaper
look under the "technology" section
I would also advise you to read through the effects of element zero and the mass relays


when you said about proving reapers can essentially make slipspace jumps, I direct you back to how the core of a reaper functions like a mass relay, which in simple terms, makes things go really really fast.

when you said about 'have they ever done it?' then of course not, they've never needed to, but they are intelligent enough to be able to (based off FACT, not assumptions, they are the pinnacle of artificial intelligence)


So?It's assumptions on your part that can do that if they want,does their tech even allows them to do that.If ME FTL is anything like star wars hyperspace then i can never see Reaper jumping around without colliding into their buds.

The Covenant themselfs can use that tactic as said in ghosts of onyx(i haven't my copy now to prove it)


-Well it take 3 average UNSC ships to take one a single covie ship.




  • 09.10.2011 4:38 AM PDT

Personally, until we get specific statistics on reaper and covenant armament and defenses, all of this argument is conjectural.

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Posted by: jakemaidment

as for your next point, you misread, I said 2 frigates, not 1.
there are many published ship to ship combat guides for the UNSC, some of which done by J keyes, the rough way this works is:
UNSC1: fires MAC
UNSC2: fires MAC
cov1: shield depleted
UNSC3: fires MAC
cov1 destroyed.

of course that is the rough idea, it is inevitable at least one ship will be destroyed, if the shipmaster of the covenant ship is crafty enough, they can eliminate both UNSC ships and save their own ship.


I doubt a Frigate can take anything bigger than a Corvette. In the Fall of Reach, the Commonwealth [a frigate] engaged the Covenant's Unrelenting [a ship that was a third the size of the Commonwealth], now, that ship must have been either 178 [Paris class], 159 [Stal-wart class] or 163 [Charon class]meters long, depending on the class of frigate the Commonwealth was, regardless, this was the damage that the Commonwealth suffered.

Communications and navigation dishes destroyed.
Armor in sections 3-7 down to four centimeters from 60 cm.
Hull breach in section three.
Ship AI memory core overloaded.
Leak in the port fuel tank.
Fire in sections one through twenty. (Atmosphere vented, fire extinguished.)
Port armor destroyed.
Decks two through seven in section one melted away. Decks two through five in sections three, four and five out of contact.
Deck thirteen destroyed.
Hull structure came close to "buckling" (integrity about to fail) and the MAC system was taken offline.
Reactor only able to output ten percent of rated output.

And the only way they were able to manage not to be destroyed was by sending Spartans (John, Kelly and Sam) to board it through a hole they had done with the MAC (the second MAC had gutted the ship, although it still was in operational state) and to destroy it with some nuclear warheads from the inside.

Now, that was with a ship that wasn't even half the size of a Frigate, now imagine what a ship twice the size of a Frigate due to them.

what you are forgetting was this was in the early stages of the war, the UNSC found better tactics and ways of taking out covenant ships quicker.
one example being the "Keyes loop" http://www.halopedian.com/Keyes_Loop

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Posted by: hotshot revan II
in order:
reach broke the rules at EVERY corner, there are PLENTY of forums on Bnet alone that prove this.
the halo 4 trailer, the Chief wakes up (without the thawing stage) with fresh armour (i'll admit just for graphics) uses his JETPACK (WTF) and fires a ROCKET PISTOL, that's pretty damn bastardised to me.
when you said about "all halo media is canon" there are many forum threads that prove you wrong again, for example they completely dismissed legends (which also broke the rules on every corner)





-I know Reach broke canon,but we have no choice to accept it.It's up to 343I to say what canon is or not,not us.

The Halo 4 Teaser is non canon,it's not how the events will play.Chiefs new armor desing will be explained in the game itself,he won't just wake up suddenly with new armor(again Teaser=non canon). What i think will happen is that he wakes up with his old armor then get's the new one either inside the ship or inside the "planet".

That's no jetpack,those are thrusters and Spartans do have them(at least Mark VI and above)

And WTF is the problem with that "rocket pistol",when was it a huge problem if they introduce new weapons into the series?

I don't give a -blam!- about what others retards say about Halo legends,i challenge them to come into this thread and list those errors.It didn't broke canon at all,trust me it didn't.

What i find funny is that those Legends haters bash 343 for canon errors and act like smartasses as if they knew anything about Halo,if they trully had any decent knowledge on Halo ,then they should have known it didn't wrecked canon.But again it's the internet we are talking about.

the wiki page, I saved you some time and found the exact paragraph that supports alot of my claims http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Reaper
look under the "technology" section
I would also advise you to read through the effects of element zero and the mass relays


when you said about proving reapers can essentially make slipspace jumps, I direct you back to how the core of a reaper functions like a mass relay, which in simple terms, makes things go really really fast.

when you said about 'have they ever done it?' then of course not, they've never needed to, but they are intelligent enough to be able to (based off FACT, not assumptions, they are the pinnacle of artificial intelligence)


So?It's assumptions on your part that can do that if they want,does their tech even allows them to do that.If ME FTL is anything like star wars hyperspace then i can never see Reaper jumping around without colliding into their buds.

The Covenant themselfs can use that tactic as said in ghosts of onyx(i haven't my copy now to prove it)


-Well it take 3 average UNSC ships to take one a single covie ship.





LOL sorry, still haven't quite worked out this quoting thing but oh well.

if we accept what 343 tells us, the storyline makes no sense, reach conflicted with so many other aspects of the storyline, because the couldn't be bothered to re-read the books and write a storyline around them, now they are trying to cover their tracks by re-writing the books, which is pretty -Blam!-ing retarded.

when I played through the level "Halo" on halo 3 and say Johnson fighting the flood with a spartan laser, I thought it was pretty extreme, he could've just used an AR or something, but apparently the dawn was FULL of rocket pistols?!?
I'm actually scared to use the AR in halo 4, it might shoot incendiary bombs or some -Blam!-

as for legends, I really liked that film, I even watched it the other day, but I can pause it every 5 seconds (no exaggeration) and pick out a flaw, from obvious stuff (cortana said the UNSC and covenant 'teamed up' WTF) down to tiny details (there are 3 pheonix-class ships, the spirit of fire (pheonix-class) was one of a kind)


as for the reapers, they are the most intelligent things ever created, in halo terms I have no doubt they are AT LEAST as intelligent as an ancilla, while having complete control over a ship aswell.
I did some research on the final cutscene from ME1, it took constant fire from what was left of the alliance fleet to take sovereign down, while he was stunned (trying to control Saren and unlock the citadel at the same time didn't help) PLUS some/most of his long range weapons were down.
I'll have to get back to you on a reference for that though (is there a ME forum?)

  • 09.10.2011 6:06 AM PDT
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sentinels have kinetic shields, as seen throughout the halo trilogy and described in "ghosts of onyx"
though not called 'kinetic shields' they use the exact same mechanics as kinetic shields

  • 09.10.2011 6:08 AM PDT
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Posted by: raganok99

Posted by: jakemaidment


I HAVE referenced everything to actual gameplay, cutscenes, my personal experience in gameplay, and wiki pages.
I don't spend alot of time around ME stuff so I've only just found out what the codex is, and I'm certain I'll find everything I need there.

as for your claim of forerunner ships not using kinetic shields, can YOU reference that?
I've given every reference I have to say they DO use kinetic shielding.
in fact, the only reference for anything you've actually given me is the 'return to sender' clip from halo 2.

and as you've said about how ME universe=/=halo universe, that is why I have made suitable conversions between phrases in both, as I have already mentioned about the tech used in the mass relays appears similar to slipspace technology, likewise the mass drivers they use as guns on ME are similar and in fact use the same mechanics as a MAC, superMAC or gauss (MACs being from halo, gauss being real-world technology developed in WW2)

reading through the earlier posts in this thread, I haven't got very far into it, but were all the shield calcs based on an asteroid? because I don't see how you managed to work out the strength of reaper alloy, when no detail is given on it


1.) Where? You never referenced anything. Please go to Codex and reference there. They said it's only canon source. So you can't spend lot of time in ME, then it makes your argument to be useless. Most of debates requires people to get in deep researching stuff.

2.) LOL! You also never referenced anything about Forerunners using kinetic barrier ON THE SHIPS. That kinetic barriers was for SENTINELS, not FORERUNNERS itself. Please read my post again.

Still, your argument is on thin ice for now. Go back to codex and start researching. Then you can come back with better argument, okay?

ThePredkiller2


Do you people honestly think the Reapers have existed for trillions, if not more, but TRILLIONS of years, and They have never fought a race as advanced, if not more, than the Covenant and Forerunner combined?. Bull-blam!-, the Prothean Empire spanned the ENTIRE GALAXY. (Source: ME1, VIGIL]

The Reapers have PERFECTED THE ART OF GENOCIDE against EVERYONE over the course of BILLIONS, POSSIBLY TRILLIONS OF YEARS


WHAT? You claim that Reapers is older than universe or galaxy?

CITATION NEEDED.

The Reapers is likely to be millions of years old. Not that billion/trillions of years...

Also you forgot that Forerunners also did span entire galaxy and probably Precursors...

if you look back through everything I've said, after every claim I have said where my information came from, when I said either gameplay or cutscene it shouldn't take you long to figure it out, I tested sentinel shielding on heroic with a variety of weapons (not for use in this argument, due to sentinels being smaller than a ship and stuff)

as for the kinetic shielding on forerunner ships.
NOWHERE does it say what kind of shield a forerunner ship has, no information has been given, all we know is that small forerunner constructs (sentinels, monitors, ect) use kinetic shielding and the covenants crappy reverse-engineered shielding isn't kinetic, it's constantly on and blocks everything like a wall.
generally, kinetic shielding would be considered the better option, as I've mentioned many times already it stops mass at high enough velocities.
because of kinetic shielding being better and already used on small forerunner constructs, it's only logical to assume the same shielding is used on everything (only alot stronger on ships obviously)

unless you can find evidence that forerunner ships DIDN'T use kinetic shielding, the logical option is to assume they DO use kinetic.

  • 09.10.2011 6:16 AM PDT

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You're so ignorant and you dare say that?
First of all, bungie made the Reach story line. So why are you accusing 343 industries.

Spartan lasers are more accurate and more powerfull plus they can be used as some sort of sniper and Johnson is a sniper.
That wasn't the first cutscene... You really think his armour just changed in cryosleep? He's going to have to go somewhere to get those things and it's not the dawn. AIt's a teaser remember?

UNSC and Covenant "teamed up" means parts of them. Although there were certain parts were there were slight pauses in combat to deal with larger things from both factions.
Phoenix-class aren't unique. This is a big reason why I say you're ignorant. Phoenix-class ships are colony ships designed to colonize planets. The spirit of fire was one of them and then it got refit for the UNSC use against the insurection.

I'm pretty sure Cortana can multitask better.
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Why do people keep insisting the sentinels have kinetic shields when they don't? If it's because they're more resistant to bullets than plasma well duh! Plasma carries more energy than bullets.
If you talk about onyx sentinels. They're not kinetic shields either... They're super strong. Their weakness is taht they activate when they detect fast moving objects and they can't fire and have their shields at the same time. But they can combine and be used for a variety of function. A pair can use it's shield and fire at the same time. If combined, they can destroy whole starships.

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Posted by: Spartan 100
They said move galaxies with the axes.


This. And even then that doesn't really help them in any use.


If you can move a damn galaxy around like an oversized spaceship, you could possibly collapse it on itself as well.
Not to mention the Reapers wouldn't be able to find the galaxy in the first place if it moved...

Why am I getting off topic?

  • 09.10.2011 9:45 AM PDT

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Posted by: ThePredkiller2

Posted by: Spartan 100
They said move galaxies with the axes.


This. And even then that doesn't really help them in any use.


If you can move a damn galaxy around like an oversized spaceship, you could possibly collapse it on itself as well.
Not to mention the Reapers wouldn't be able to find the galaxy in the first place if it moved...

Why am I getting off topic?

To add to that, you could just move it, spin it around, make it collide with itself, make it go nuts! So yeah...

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  • 09.10.2011 9:47 AM PDT


Posted by: jakemaidment
(there are 3 pheonix-class ships, the spirit of fire (pheonix-class) was one of a kind)


Um, the Phoenix class colony ship was widely used. The Spirit of Fire was simply on refit for military use.

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Posted by: Spartan 100
You're so ignorant and you dare say that?
First of all, bungie made the Reach story line. So why are you accusing 343 industries.

Spartan lasers are more accurate and more powerfull plus they can be used as some sort of sniper and Johnson is a sniper.
That wasn't the first cutscene... You really think his armour just changed in cryosleep? He's going to have to go somewhere to get those things and it's not the dawn. AIt's a teaser remember?

UNSC and Covenant "teamed up" means parts of them. Although there were certain parts were there were slight pauses in combat to deal with larger things from both factions.
Phoenix-class aren't unique. This is a big reason why I say you're ignorant. Phoenix-class ships are colony ships designed to colonize planets. The spirit of fire was one of them and then it got refit for the UNSC use against the insurection.

I'm pretty sure Cortana can multitask better.
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Why do people keep insisting the sentinels have kinetic shields when they don't? If it's because they're more resistant to bullets than plasma well duh! Plasma carries more energy than bullets.
If you talk about onyx sentinels. They're not kinetic shields either... They're super strong. Their weakness is taht they activate when they detect fast moving objects and they can't fire and have their shields at the same time. But they can combine and be used for a variety of function. A pair can use it's shield and fire at the same time. If combined, they can destroy whole starships.


it's all gone downhill after they made ODST, halo wars was kinda half canon, they have had to do mass explaining to cover it up, legends had no canonisity, anyne with a brain can see that, and reach was the same.

I understand the halo 4 trailer was a teaser, and I've already said I don't care about the new armour, it's just with their new graphics, btw it is the same mk6 from what I can tell, my evidence; it still has the damage on the chestplate.
all I'm saying about the halo 4 trailer is that when I saw it, I saw the jetpack/thrusters/whatever and thought, why was this never used in any other game? it could've helped when the Chief was falling through atmosphere, or giving the covenant back their bomb.
and when I saw the rocket pistol I facepalmed, who's bright idea was that?

reading back through your post, YES the chiefs armour DID 'just change in cryosleep' hence the battledamage still being there.


as for legends and the 'teaming up' part, when you see both the chief and the arbiter commanding troops to fight the flood, then see an epic clip of the chief fighting side-by-side with a grunt, you start to ask questions...
the pheonix-class ship, last I heard they were for cruises, like for holidays and such, and that the one in wars was a custom, one-of-a-kind.
even if they were more common, that's a minor flaw, there are quite literally hundreds of flaws.
however, I still enjoyed the film nevertheless.

for the last time, sentinels DO have kinetic shields, a kinetic shield, by definition, activates only when something travels at it over a certain velocity.
eg: a bullet fires towards a sentinel, it's shield activates when the bullet gets too close, the bullet deflects.
the same shielding is used on ME for troops and ships.

when I found onyx sentinels on halopedian (http://www.halopedian.com/Onyx_Sentinel)
it even says in the stats: "superior shielding, activated when fast motion is detected" which is by definition, kinetic shielding.


also about cortana, she is a highly intelligent AI, but not as superior as a reapers AI nor an ancilla-class AI (nor any other advanced forerunner AI)
however, IF cortana were in control of a ship, as a reaper AI is of a reaper, then I'm certain she could do some awesome damage, as she did with the superMAC above earth

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Posted by: jakemaidment

Posted by: hotshot revan II
in order:
reach broke the rules at EVERY corner, there are PLENTY of forums on Bnet alone that prove this.
the halo 4 trailer, the Chief wakes up (without the thawing stage) with fresh armour (i'll admit just for graphics) uses his JETPACK (WTF) and fires a ROCKET PISTOL, that's pretty damn bastardised to me.
when you said about "all halo media is canon" there are many forum threads that prove you wrong again, for example they completely dismissed legends (which also broke the rules on every corner)





-I know Reach broke canon,but we have no choice to accept it.It's up to 343I to say what canon is or not,not us.

The Halo 4 Teaser is non canon,it's not how the events will play.Chiefs new armor desing will be explained in the game itself,he won't just wake up suddenly with new armor(again Teaser=non canon). What i think will happen is that he wakes up with his old armor then get's the new one either inside the ship or inside the "planet".

That's no jetpack,those are thrusters and Spartans do have them(at least Mark VI and above)

And WTF is the problem with that "rocket pistol",when was it a huge problem if they introduce new weapons into the series?

I don't give a -blam!- about what others retards say about Halo legends,i challenge them to come into this thread and list those errors.It didn't broke canon at all,trust me it didn't.

What i find funny is that those Legends haters bash 343 for canon errors and act like smartasses as if they knew anything about Halo,if they trully had any decent knowledge on Halo ,then they should have known it didn't wrecked canon.But again it's the internet we are talking about.

the wiki page, I saved you some time and found the exact paragraph that supports alot of my claims http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Reaper
look under the "technology" section
I would also advise you to read through the effects of element zero and the mass relays


when you said about proving reapers can essentially make slipspace jumps, I direct you back to how the core of a reaper functions like a mass relay, which in simple terms, makes things go really really fast.

when you said about 'have they ever done it?' then of course not, they've never needed to, but they are intelligent enough to be able to (based off FACT, not assumptions, they are the pinnacle of artificial intelligence)


So?It's assumptions on your part that can do that if they want,does their tech even allows them to do that.If ME FTL is anything like star wars hyperspace then i can never see Reaper jumping around without colliding into their buds.

The Covenant themselfs can use that tactic as said in ghosts of onyx(i haven't my copy now to prove it)


-Well it take 3 average UNSC ships to take one a single covie ship.





LOL sorry, still haven't quite worked out this quoting thing but oh well.

if we accept what 343 tells us, the storyline makes no sense, reach conflicted with so many other aspects of the storyline, because the couldn't be bothered to re-read the books and write a storyline around them, now they are trying to cover their tracks by re-writing the books, which is pretty -Blam!-ing retarded.

when I played through the level "Halo" on halo 3 and say Johnson fighting the flood with a spartan laser, I thought it was pretty extreme, he could've just used an AR or something, but apparently the dawn was FULL of rocket pistols?!?
I'm actually scared to use the AR in halo 4, it might shoot incendiary bombs or some -Blam!-

as for legends, I really liked that film, I even watched it the other day, but I can pause it every 5 seconds (no exaggeration) and pick out a flaw, from obvious stuff (cortana said the UNSC and covenant 'teamed up' WTF) down to tiny details (there are 3 pheonix-class ships, the spirit of fire (pheonix-class) was one of a kind)


as for the reapers, they are the most intelligent things ever created, in halo terms I have no doubt they are AT LEAST as intelligent as an ancilla, while having complete control over a ship aswell.
I did some research on the final cutscene from ME1, it took constant fire from what was left of the alliance fleet to take sovereign down, while he was stunned (trying to control Saren and unlock the citadel at the same time didn't help) PLUS some/most of his long range weapons were down.
I'll have to get back to you on a reference for that though (is there a ME forum?)


-Reach just contradicted with the Fall of Reach battle itself.But luckily major events from the old book are still intact like Blue-Read team missions,...but you are right there are still lots of unanswered stupid things like the Autumn on ground.

-It's just because we can't use the full UNSC arsenal in a single game,that's why there was no Hornet in Reach even if that planet had them.

-Frankie explained that the reason of that is because Cortana was half rampant and all the events portrayed aren't accurate.
Spirit of fire isn't a one of kind,the UNSC built many colony ships to colonise planets,one ship couldn't have done it on it's own.

-There is probably one of the ME sites.

I very much doubt a Reaper is even on par with a Forerunner ancilla.
I don't know much about ME so what are the feats of Reapers in the AI field?

  • 09.10.2011 11:20 AM PDT

reapers beat covenant

  • 09.10.2011 10:22 PM PDT


Posted by: Spartan 100

Posted by: SC Matt Klassen

Posted by: ThePredkiller2

Posted by: Spartan 100
They said move galaxies with the axes.


This. And even then that doesn't really help them in any use.


If you can move a damn galaxy around like an oversized spaceship, you could possibly collapse it on itself as well.
Not to mention the Reapers wouldn't be able to find the galaxy in the first place if it moved...

Why am I getting off topic?

To add to that, you could just move it, spin it around, make it collide with itself, make it go nuts! So yeah...


I don't care how many people pile up on top of me and tell me I'm wrong, you simply cannot do that. This is one of the reasons I don't like the Halo universe anymore, because it is so ludicrously impossible. You just can't spin a Galaxy around like that. If the Forerunners had that level of technology they wouldn't even need a physical body. If they really are able to do that in the novels, then I have lost all respect for the Halo universe.

Going by 'realism' Forerunners lose, horribly.

  • 09.10.2011 10:49 PM PDT

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I'm just going to say reapers for the lolz, but we can't really judge until we get numbers that may come from ME3.

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Posted by: ThePredkiller2

To add to that, you could just move it, spin it around, make it collide with itself, make it go nuts! So yeah...[/quote]

I don't care how many people pile up on top of me and tell me I'm wrong, you simply cannot do that. This is one of the reasons I don't like the Halo universe anymore, because it is so ludicrously impossible. You just can't spin a Galaxy around like that. If the Forerunners had that level of technology they wouldn't even need a physical body. If they really are able to do that in the novels, then I have lost all respect for the Halo universe.

Going by 'realism' Forerunners lose, horribly.


Do you realize this is Science Fiction?

Guess what it means? It's not close to realism, lol.

Forerunners are capable of tweaking the axis of galaxy which it may render that they can destroy entire galaxy by altering its axis.

Ergo, Forerunners wins against Reapers, also Covenant will win against Reapers as well.

  • 09.11.2011 12:05 AM PDT


Posted by: ThePredkiller2
I don't care how many people pile up on top of me and tell me I'm wrong, you simply cannot do that. This is one of the reasons I don't like the Halo universe anymore, because it is so ludicrously impossible. You just can't spin a Galaxy around like that. If the Forerunners had that level of technology they wouldn't even need a physical body. If they really are able to do that in the novels, then I have lost all respect for the Halo universe.

Going by 'realism' Forerunners lose, horribly.

So we're going by realism? Ok then, the Reapers have no tech left becuase all tech in ME depends on a magical element which is not realstic so there you go, their guns don't work, their engines don't work, their shields don't work....

"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic" - Arthur C. Clarke

Also why is this thread still going? Ah yes, ME fanboys believing that being able to one shot pathetic Citadel ships with inferior defenses and weaponry means you are invincible. In terms of firepower ME is pathetic compared to other Sci-Fi...

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Posted by: hotshot revan II

Posted by: jakemaidment

Posted by: hotshot revan II
in order:
reach broke the rules at EVERY corner, there are PLENTY of forums on Bnet alone that prove this.
the halo 4 trailer, the Chief wakes up (without the thawing stage) with fresh armour (i'll admit just for graphics) uses his JETPACK (WTF) and fires a ROCKET PISTOL, that's pretty damn bastardised to me.
when you said about "all halo media is canon" there are many forum threads that prove you wrong again, for example they completely dismissed legends (which also broke the rules on every corner)





-I know Reach broke canon,but we have no choice to accept it.It's up to 343I to say what canon is or not,not us.

The Halo 4 Teaser is non canon,it's not how the events will play.Chiefs new armor desing will be explained in the game itself,he won't just wake up suddenly with new armor(again Teaser=non canon). What i think will happen is that he wakes up with his old armor then get's the new one either inside the ship or inside the "planet".

That's no jetpack,those are thrusters and Spartans do have them(at least Mark VI and above)

And WTF is the problem with that "rocket pistol",when was it a huge problem if they introduce new weapons into the series?

I don't give a -blam!- about what others retards say about Halo legends,i challenge them to come into this thread and list those errors.It didn't broke canon at all,trust me it didn't.

What i find funny is that those Legends haters bash 343 for canon errors and act like smartasses as if they knew anything about Halo,if they trully had any decent knowledge on Halo ,then they should have known it didn't wrecked canon.But again it's the internet we are talking about.

the wiki page, I saved you some time and found the exact paragraph that supports alot of my claims http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Reaper
look under the "technology" section
I would also advise you to read through the effects of element zero and the mass relays


when you said about proving reapers can essentially make slipspace jumps, I direct you back to how the core of a reaper functions like a mass relay, which in simple terms, makes things go really really fast.

when you said about 'have they ever done it?' then of course not, they've never needed to, but they are intelligent enough to be able to (based off FACT, not assumptions, they are the pinnacle of artificial intelligence)


So?It's assumptions on your part that can do that if they want,does their tech even allows them to do that.If ME FTL is anything like star wars hyperspace then i can never see Reaper jumping around without colliding into their buds.

The Covenant themselfs can use that tactic as said in ghosts of onyx(i haven't my copy now to prove it)


-Well it take 3 average UNSC ships to take one a single covie ship.





LOL sorry, still haven't quite worked out this quoting thing but oh well.

if we accept what 343 tells us, the storyline makes no sense, reach conflicted with so many other aspects of the storyline, because the couldn't be bothered to re-read the books and write a storyline around them, now they are trying to cover their tracks by re-writing the books, which is pretty -Blam!-ing retarded.

when I played through the level "Halo" on halo 3 and say Johnson fighting the flood with a spartan laser, I thought it was pretty extreme, he could've just used an AR or something, but apparently the dawn was FULL of rocket pistols?!?
I'm actually scared to use the AR in halo 4, it might shoot incendiary bombs or some -Blam!-

as for legends, I really liked that film, I even watched it the other day, but I can pause it every 5 seconds (no exaggeration) and pick out a flaw, from obvious stuff (cortana said the UNSC and covenant 'teamed up' WTF) down to tiny details (there are 3 pheonix-class ships, the spirit of fire (pheonix-class) was one of a kind)


as for the reapers, they are the most intelligent things ever created, in halo terms I have no doubt they are AT LEAST as intelligent as an ancilla, while having complete control over a ship aswell.
I did some research on the final cutscene from ME1, it took constant fire from what was left of the alliance fleet to take sovereign down, while he was stunned (trying to control Saren and unlock the citadel at the same time didn't help) PLUS some/most of his long range weapons were down.
I'll have to get back to you on a reference for that though (is there a ME forum?)


-Reach just contradicted with the Fall of Reach battle itself.But luckily major events from the old book are still intact like Blue-Read team missions,...but you are right there are still lots of unanswered stupid things like the Autumn on ground.

-It's just because we can't use the full UNSC arsenal in a single game,that's why there was no Hornet in Reach even if that planet had them.

-Frankie explained that the reason of that is because Cortana was half rampant and all the events portrayed aren't accurate.
Spirit of fire isn't a one of kind,the UNSC built many colony ships to colonise planets,one ship couldn't have done it on it's own.

-There is probably one of the ME sites.

I very much doubt a Reaper is even on par with a Forerunner ancilla.
I don't know much about ME so what are the feats of Reapers in the AI field?


I wasn't too bothered by the lack of hornet in reach, I thought the falcon handled awesomely and was more of a team-based vehicle like the warthog so was better on multiplayer aswell.

as for the reaper AI, they are the very pinnacle of artificial intelligence, they have the ability to understand the thousands of organics they encounter, they can indoctrinate organics and they have the technology to build things like the mass relays and more reapers.
that is incredibly intelligent and that's just the surface of what they can do.

not to downplay ancillas, but their intelligence is limited, there must be a point where they simply cannot process any more or whatever, they are for civilian use so don't need to be top-of-the-line, though their plus side is that they can connect to the domain which I thought was a genius idea.

I don't have any statistics or anything, so I don't know where a reaper AI would fit in with the likes of a metarch, but I'm certain they are better (even if only slightly) than an ancilla, the main reason I say this is that the reaper AI's have lied for an incomprehensibly long amount of time, they have watched and helped organic civilisations rise from the dust and wiped them out when necessary.
forerunner AI's however eventually age and slowly but surely become rampant, as seen with the monitors.
I am aware monitors may not be the most advanced forerunner AI, but it's the only example I have.

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They said move galaxies with the axes.


This. And even then that doesn't really help them in any use.


If you can move a damn galaxy around like an oversized spaceship, you could possibly collapse it on itself as well.
Not to mention the Reapers wouldn't be able to find the galaxy in the first place if it moved...

Why am I getting off topic?

To add to that, you could just move it, spin it around, make it collide with itself, make it go nuts! So yeah...


I don't care how many people pile up on top of me and tell me I'm wrong, you simply cannot do that. This is one of the reasons I don't like the Halo universe anymore, because it is so ludicrously impossible. You just can't spin a Galaxy around like that. If the Forerunners had that level of technology they wouldn't even need a physical body. If they really are able to do that in the novels, then I have lost all respect for the Halo universe.

Going by 'realism' Forerunners lose, horribly.


wait, hang on, since when could forerunners manipulate galaxies like that? I knew they could create planets and creatures, but never once have I heard they can spin a galaxy around willy-nilly.
can someone reference this???

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To add to that, you could just move it, spin it around, make it collide with itself, make it go nuts! So yeah...[/quote]

I don't care how many people pile up on top of me and tell me I'm wrong, you simply cannot do that. This is one of the reasons I don't like the Halo universe anymore, because it is so ludicrously impossible. You just can't spin a Galaxy around like that. If the Forerunners had that level of technology they wouldn't even need a physical body. If they really are able to do that in the novels, then I have lost all respect for the Halo universe.

Going by 'realism' Forerunners lose, horribly.


Do you realize this is Science Fiction?

Guess what it means? It's not close to realism, lol.

Forerunners are capable of tweaking the axis of galaxy which it may render that they can destroy entire galaxy by altering its axis.

Ergo, Forerunners wins against Reapers, also Covenant will win against Reapers as well.


is the only way the forerunners can win a battle by killing themselves aswell?
the flood arrive and they kill themselves and all sentient life to get rid of it.
the reapers arrive so they destroy their own galaxy to get rig of them.

in my opinion, forerunner against reapers, forerunner could possibly win, mainly due to the fact they have so many forerunner-built planets and they can craft superweapons easily

covenant vs reapers, the covenant have no chance, they can barely keep themselves together, how many civil wars have they had? too many, I can't even remember how many grunt rebellions they've had

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Going by 'realism' Forerunners lose, horribly.[/quote]
So we're going by realism? Ok then, the Reapers have no tech left becuase all tech in ME depends on a magical element which is not realstic so there you go, their guns don't work, their engines don't work, their shields don't work....

LOL, actually, the guns in ME use the exact same mechanics as a MAC or gauss.
the guns from ME are essentially small MAC cannons, also, in Halo: contact harvest, Johnson uses a gauss sniper rifle, which uses the exact same mechanics as the sniper in ME (only I think the sniper in ME fires incendiary rounds or something)

that magic that makes the guns work is magnets

  • 09.11.2011 4:22 AM PDT


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in order:
reach broke the rules at EVERY corner, there are PLENTY of forums on Bnet alone that prove this.
the halo 4 trailer, the Chief wakes up (without the thawing stage) with fresh armour (i'll admit just for graphics) uses his JETPACK (WTF) and fires a ROCKET PISTOL, that's pretty damn bastardised to me.
when you said about "all halo media is canon" there are many forum threads that prove you wrong again, for example they completely dismissed legends (which also broke the rules on every corner)





-I know Reach broke canon,but we have no choice to accept it.It's up to 343I to say what canon is or not,not us.

The Halo 4 Teaser is non canon,it's not how the events will play.Chiefs new armor desing will be explained in the game itself,he won't just wake up suddenly with new armor(again Teaser=non canon). What i think will happen is that he wakes up with his old armor then get's the new one either inside the ship or inside the "planet".

That's no jetpack,those are thrusters and Spartans do have them(at least Mark VI and above)

And WTF is the problem with that "rocket pistol",when was it a huge problem if they introduce new weapons into the series?

I don't give a -blam!- about what others retards say about Halo legends,i challenge them to come into this thread and list those errors.It didn't broke canon at all,trust me it didn't.

What i find funny is that those Legends haters bash 343 for canon errors and act like smartasses as if they knew anything about Halo,if they trully had any decent knowledge on Halo ,then they should have known it didn't wrecked canon.But again it's the internet we are talking about.

the wiki page, I saved you some time and found the exact paragraph that supports alot of my claims http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Reaper
look under the "technology" section
I would also advise you to read through the effects of element zero and the mass relays


when you said about proving reapers can essentially make slipspace jumps, I direct you back to how the core of a reaper functions like a mass relay, which in simple terms, makes things go really really fast.

when you said about 'have they ever done it?' then of course not, they've never needed to, but they are intelligent enough to be able to (based off FACT, not assumptions, they are the pinnacle of artificial intelligence)


So?It's assumptions on your part that can do that if they want,does their tech even allows them to do that.If ME FTL is anything like star wars hyperspace then i can never see Reaper jumping around without colliding into their buds.

The Covenant themselfs can use that tactic as said in ghosts of onyx(i haven't my copy now to prove it)


-Well it take 3 average UNSC ships to take one a single covie ship.





LOL sorry, still haven't quite worked out this quoting thing but oh well.

if we accept what 343 tells us, the storyline makes no sense, reach conflicted with so many other aspects of the storyline, because the couldn't be bothered to re-read the books and write a storyline around them, now they are trying to cover their tracks by re-writing the books, which is pretty -Blam!-ing retarded.

when I played through the level "Halo" on halo 3 and say Johnson fighting the flood with a spartan laser, I thought it was pretty extreme, he could've just used an AR or something, but apparently the dawn was FULL of rocket pistols?!?
I'm actually scared to use the AR in halo 4, it might shoot incendiary bombs or some -Blam!-

as for legends, I really liked that film, I even watched it the other day, but I can pause it every 5 seconds (no exaggeration) and pick out a flaw, from obvious stuff (cortana said the UNSC and covenant 'teamed up' WTF) down to tiny details (there are 3 pheonix-class ships, the spirit of fire (pheonix-class) was one of a kind)


as for the reapers, they are the most intelligent things ever created, in halo terms I have no doubt they are AT LEAST as intelligent as an ancilla, while having complete control over a ship aswell.
I did some research on the final cutscene from ME1, it took constant fire from what was left of the alliance fleet to take sovereign down, while he was stunned (trying to control Saren and unlock the citadel at the same time didn't help) PLUS some/most of his long range weapons were down.
I'll have to get back to you on a reference for that though (is there a ME forum?)


You are completely misinformed, I'll tell you.

1) The Halo 4's trailer ONLY purpose was to demonstrate new features in the game and announce the title itself. NONE of it was actually canon, including the presence of the Rocket pistol on the Dawn.

2) Cortana was misinformed, that little bit she said was actually deliberate; all she saw were Covenant and UNSC races working together at the end of Halo 3, she didn't know any of the details. If she had instead said the Elites broke off in the schism to work with us, as far as her knowledge goes, that'd breach canon.

3) It was not one of a kind. Spirit of Fire was a retrofitted colony ship from a line called Pheonix class. She WAS the only Pheonix class armed for war, but not the only Pheonix class. That scene is actually quite accurate.

As for the Reaper's "resilliance"

I'll just leave this here....


(hint: a Reaper almost get obliterated by an explosive, one not even that powerful).

And god damn it who revived this thread???

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Posted by: jakemaidment


Going by 'realism' Forerunners lose, horribly.[/quote]
So we're going by realism? Ok then, the Reapers have no tech left becuase all tech in ME depends on a magical element which is not realstic so there you go, their guns don't work, their engines don't work, their shields don't work....

LOL, actually, the guns in ME use the exact same mechanics as a MAC or gauss.
the guns from ME are essentially small MAC cannons, also, in Halo: contact harvest, Johnson uses a gauss sniper rifle, which uses the exact same mechanics as the sniper in ME (only I think the sniper in ME fires incendiary rounds or something)

that magic that makes the guns work is magnets

No they don't, see MAC guns are just massive coilguns, exactly the same as IRL, just much bigger and powerful. The weaponry in ME does use similar tech, however they use mass effect fields to make their projectlies lighter and achieve velocities high enough for the tiny projectiles to be effective and to absorb for the recoil that otherwise would be massive.
The magic that makes the guns work is mass effect fields.

And also, types of rounds can be adjusted in ME, all weapons can fire incedary rounds.

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And god damn it who revived this thread???

Some guy named "superiorarsenal" appreantly
*sigh* Just when I thought we were done with ME fantards until ME3's release which will start this all over again.

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