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"but you already knew that, I mean, how couldn't you?
Only when no Human brick is left atop another, shall we be satisfied with your destruction.
Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
BTW, go Roberto for using crazy numbers out the window and assuming one encounter = the same for all.
His numbers aren't crazy, there are canon events that support higher numbers (see my calculation on page 14). Mid-Megaton to Mid-Gigaton is a reasonable assessment of Covenant firepower given their observed capabilities.
As to the one event=all thing, we have seen one Reaper in combat. Just one. It is the only direct evidence we have.
As shown in that ME3 video, an orbital strike from a fleet did no noticeable damage to the reaper.
Citadel fleet=/=Covenant fleet. Different weapon types, different firepower equivalents, and different fleet doctrine.
But, link please, I've not seen all that many ME3 trailers, if there is a new one I'd like to see it :)
There is also the issue of how the explosion is shaped. Anti-armor explosions are very focused, while general high explosive rounds cause large amounts of damage over a wide area.
Both of those are only applicable in atmosphere, as they rely on a pressure wave to cause damage.
The difference against armour between a DET weapon and a kinetic impactor is momentum transfer, the impactor will almost certainly vapourise on impact anyway so in both cases the ship is subjected to plasma after impact. Effectiveness vs kinetic barriers is the key issue here.
I must say Roberto, you are quite the hypocrite. Calculating explosions when there is no information other then visual which does not give a good indication of size, using these numbers as hard facts but hating on others for using hard factual numbers from other universes...
The ME codex is more canon than the visuals, when in doubt use the codex if possible.
Even then the site is not a very good source on canon information, as I've heard it's heavily biased.
What site? (If it's SB.com allow me a preemptive chuckle...)
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Posted by: ThePredkiller2
You honestly think I'm going to just give up? No. I don't care how many people pile up on me over this, I'm not going to back down. I have as much a right as anyone else to defend my personally preferred gaming universe from all transgressors, and so I shall.
So, you have a chip on your shoulder, nice to know I guess, you'll be approaching the discussion from the "decide which side I want to win then fudge the numbers till it does" angle then?
Not a very honest debating practice, but there you go...
There is some overrating of the Halo weapons.
c~ 300,000,000 m/s, 1kT TNT equiv ~ 4.18e12 J
First the MAC. 600ton at 30,000m/s (0.0001c). Relativistic kinetic energy = 2.7e14 J or about 64kT
Mass Effect: 20kg at 3,897,301m/s (0.013 c). Relativistic kinetic energy = 1.5e14 J or 36kT.
Dunno why the gunny says it is 38kT....
Could you please post the source on these numbers?
The crappy Pillar of Autumn
What's wrong with the P.O.A.?
its 3 shot MAC could take out the shields and disable most Covenant ships in one "burst." But, it had lightened projectiles of an unspecified mass.
Reference please.
There is no reason to think that the Covenant shields are all that much better than Mass Effect barriers,
Well they are certainly better protection against a wide range of threats. If you assume absolute lowest-end numbers for the Covenant (ie: ignore each and every referance to Covenant warships setting worlds ablaze, or blasting city sized asteroids, and assume the supercarrier can barely move its own mass etc) then I'm sure you could construct an argument for that being the case.
Also don't forget that Covenant have to drop part of their shields to even fire their plasma "torpedoes." A well aimed shot with a Thanix or Reaper beam in that point will slice a Covenant ship in half.
While a weakness it is such a minor one as to be negligible, it's a bit like saying a Knight in full plate has thin eyeslits to see through, so can be taken down at 500 paces with a well thrown coin.
Also, let us not blatantly ignore the weapon fired at Klendagon!
Ah yes, I've seen this argument before, it's always fun.
Do tell us about the weapon that did that.
Specifically, please show that the Reapers either owned it, or survived a direct shot from it, or anything of that nature.
You may struggle as we know pretty much nothing about it, except the round must have been massive and made of some supermaterial.
imagine what a direct hit, straight perpendicular, or not even, maybe like 40 degrees even, would do to a planet? It would probably blast it into planetary splinters.
Erm, no. Not by a long shot, the GBE of a planet like Klendagon is pretty huge, you are not going to be cracking planets with that one. Kill everything on the surface, sure.
And if a shot like that only marginally disabled a Reaper (Who's power core was still active).
Given the size of the rift, the round itself was probably much larger than the Reaper, I very much doubt it took the shot to the face...
And imagine the firepower that species that the Reapers STILL DEFEATED in the end, possessed.
For all we know that was a one-off superweapon. And we know nothing about the race that built it, or how they died.
I think they would give the Forerunners a run for their money, considering the fact I don't ever remember the Forerunners possessing weapons that could splinter entire planets with one shot.
Their warships are capable of breaking worlds, their fleets can destroy entire star systems, they are way out of everyone we are discussing's league, best to leave them out of the discussion entirely.