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our enemy! Our ENEMEHS HIDE EN MEHTAL BAWKSES! Teh fehls!

  • 07.31.2011 7:19 PM PDT

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So teh CABINET and teh RAPPERS are in a little fight? thhey all diez

  • 07.31.2011 7:22 PM PDT
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SC = Supreme Commander/Supreme Canadian.

De Facto leader of the military of the APE (Allied Planets Empire).

Coup = Admiral Asskicker, ZPM hive ship


Posted by: ROBERTO jh

Posted by: SC Matt Klassen
We need better Reaper defense calcs before we can know just how strong their shields are against energy weapons.

I assume we're using mid-yield weapons in this debate?


According to the Codex, their shields wouldn't do anything.

Though plasma does have mass, its main force is its heat, which Kinetic barrers cannot stop.

And can you elaborate on mid-yield weapons?


MT-yield weapons for Covenant. GT for the Supercruiser's snipebeam and the anti-ship weapon systems on Covenant heavy tonnage capships.

  • 07.31.2011 7:26 PM PDT

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Posted by: futuredeveloper
The reapers shall die by my diamond pick axe!

HAX! I DECLARE HAX! Anyway, ill just get my [REDACTED] tp destroy them.

  • 07.31.2011 7:26 PM PDT


Posted by: SC Matt Klassen

Posted by: ROBERTO jh

Posted by: SC Matt Klassen
We need better Reaper defense calcs before we can know just how strong their shields are against energy weapons.

I assume we're using mid-yield weapons in this debate?


According to the Codex, their shields wouldn't do anything.

Though plasma does have mass, its main force is its heat, which Kinetic barrers cannot stop.

And can you elaborate on mid-yield weapons?


MT-yield weapons for Covenant. GT for the Supercruiser's snipebeam and the anti-ship weapon systems on Covenant heavy tonnage capships.


Well, from the looks of things, it seems this thread got hijacked by a few people who spent a little to much time at the bar.

  • 07.31.2011 7:27 PM PDT

Evolve to Adapt, Adapt to Insanity.


Posted by: ROBERTO jh

Posted by: SC Matt Klassen

Posted by: ROBERTO jh

Posted by: SC Matt Klassen
We need better Reaper defense calcs before we can know just how strong their shields are against energy weapons.

I assume we're using mid-yield weapons in this debate?


According to the Codex, their shields wouldn't do anything.

Though plasma does have mass, its main force is its heat, which Kinetic barrers cannot stop.

And can you elaborate on mid-yield weapons?


MT-yield weapons for Covenant. GT for the Supercruiser's snipebeam and the anti-ship weapon systems on Covenant heavy tonnage capships.


Well, from the looks of things, it seems this thread got hijacked by a few people who spent a little to much time at the bar.


Yes. You have a nice mother.

  • 07.31.2011 7:28 PM PDT
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SC = Supreme Commander/Supreme Canadian.

De Facto leader of the military of the APE (Allied Planets Empire).

Coup = Admiral Asskicker, ZPM hive ship

*Flies past Reaper ship*

*Beams ten Replicators inside*

*Watches as the Reaper is eaten alive from the inside*

*Watches as the infected Reaper chases the rest of the Reapers into Triangulum*

*Laughs like a maniac*

  • 07.31.2011 7:29 PM PDT

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Posted by: futuredeveloper
OH HOME ON THE RANGE THIS THREAD WAS POINTLESS IT WOULD LEAD TO NOTHING AND NOTHING AND NOTHING
NOTHING AND NOTHING AND NOTHING AND NOTHING AND NOTHING AND NOTHING AND NOTHING AND NOTHING AND NOTHING AND NOTHING AND NOTHING

  • 07.31.2011 7:31 PM PDT

On hiding dead bodies:
Posted by: Psuedo
Posted by: teh Chaz
Inside another dead body. It's the last place they'll look
A corpse within a corpse.
CORPSEPTION.
Win.

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In what way is this at all relevant to canon?

  • 08.01.2011 2:04 AM PDT

In Mass Effect 3 it is likely that we're going to defeat the Reapers, and the Covenant has superior tech to the Mass Effect universe, sooooooo.....

  • 08.01.2011 2:21 AM PDT

Who says the Reapers are all equipped with primitive kinetic barriers? Sovereign's protection is only labeled as "shields".

May I add, Reaper armor is powerful enough to atleast survive being in the outskirts of a Supernova (Reapers and Mass Relays have the same material). Is a volley of plasma torpedoes better than a supernova?

Posted by: Buzz the Fuzz
In Mass Effect 3 it is likely that we're going to defeat the Reapers, and the Covenant has superior tech to the Mass Effect universe, sooooooo.....


Every fleet of every Mass Effect species > Covenant fleet strength/size.

  • 08.01.2011 8:53 AM PDT


Posted by: spurkis
Who says the Reapers are all equipped with primitive kinetic barriers? Sovereign's protection is only labeled as "shields".

May I add, Reaper armor is powerful enough to atleast survive being in the outskirts of a Supernova (Reapers and Mass Relays have the same material). Is a volley of plasma torpedoes better than a supernova?

Posted by: Buzz the Fuzz
In Mass Effect 3 it is likely that we're going to defeat the Reapers, and the Covenant has superior tech to the Mass Effect universe, sooooooo.....


Every fleet of every Mass Effect species > Covenant fleet strength/size.



Is a sub-kiloton missile more powerful then a Supernova? Because that killed Sovereign.

And we have gone through the whole "well what if Reapers have different shield tech." There's two flaws with that.

First, its a conjecture, not an established fact, so unless you want to start assuming things (I can assume things too, you know) this is unquantifiable, border-line fanboy logic. And second, all of the Citadel's technology comes from the Reapers; are kinetic barriers somehow exempt?

Now to say every fleet in ME is superior to the Covenant is raging fanboy logic, truly. ME ships have only one advantage: they're fast (mostly). This won't help much when all of the Covenant's weaponry is both A) energy based, and B) either tracks you until it hits something, or fires at the speed of light.

So lets see: the Destiny Ascension--most powerful ship, possibly in the galaxy, said in-game to be fully capable of destroying ay ship in the Alliance fleet with one round--has a maximum damage output of 32 kilotons. When the maximum power output of the weakest ship in the UNSC fleet--the Frigate--is 62 kilotons. And a CCS Class Covenant Cruiser has been calculated to hit a few megatons per plasma torpedo.

And I haven't gotten to the lightspeed weaponry. A Covenant Energy Lance (an energy projector fired in space for space combat) gutted the UNSC Musashi from 100,000 km away, then aimed, fired again and sliced through 5 UNSC ships with a single burst, all in a time-frame before the Pillar of Autumn could respond and attack it.

Now most Covenant ships have an energy lance. A Supercarrier has been estimated to have around 7, and Assault Carrier's have multiple as well, but I'm not sure how many.

None of this would really be deflected by a kinetic barrier, would it?

  • 08.01.2011 9:11 AM PDT
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We are all going to get banned aren't we?


Posted by: spurkis
Who says the Reapers are all equipped with primitive kinetic barriers? Sovereign's protection is only labeled as "shields".

May I add, Reaper armor is powerful enough to atleast survive being in the outskirts of a Supernova (Reapers and Mass Relays have the same material). Is a volley of plasma torpedoes better than a supernova?

Posted by: Buzz the Fuzz
In Mass Effect 3 it is likely that we're going to defeat the Reapers, and the Covenant has superior tech to the Mass Effect universe, sooooooo.....


Every fleet of every Mass Effect species > Covenant fleet strength/size.



regardless plasma wouldn't be stopped by it.

So can a UNSC ship (halowars) and if the UNSC ships can do it so can the covenant.

And how ignorant are you? the fleet of high charity (which is made of supercrusiers and carriers) could made the 27 year war a 5 year war if they were used.


Are you seriously saying hundreds of supercruisers and carriers would lose to mass effect when it took a FULL fleet just to take out sovereign and he wasn't even the strongest? not to mention the weapons in mass effect are kilotons where halo goes up to petatons (if i remember right). not to mention that covenant ships use plasma and are MILES long, hell the barriers wouldn't even hold up MAC rounds.


You are clearly a fanboy or just ignorant if you say mass effect would beat halo.

[Edited on 08.01.2011 9:18 AM PDT]

  • 08.01.2011 9:17 AM PDT

Here is a major question, Does the Reaper ship shields work the exact same way as the Alliance shields?

We honestly don't know, the Reaper shielding could be far different then anything explained thus far in the Mass Effect Universe.

  • 08.01.2011 10:34 AM PDT
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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?


Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Here is a major question, Does the Reaper ship shields work the exact same way as the Alliance shields?

We honestly don't know, the Reaper shielding could be far different then anything explained thus far in the Mass Effect Universe.


still wouldn't matter if the sub-kiloton weapons got based them

  • 08.01.2011 10:37 AM PDT


Posted by: grey101

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Here is a major question, Does the Reaper ship shields work the exact same way as the Alliance shields?

We honestly don't know, the Reaper shielding could be far different then anything explained thus far in the Mass Effect Universe.


still wouldn't matter if the sub-kiloton weapons got based them


Hmm?

It's shields didn't drop from the fleet firing on it. They dropped because Sovereign's avatar(Saren) did and it was heavily distracted by trying to hack to open the gate.

  • 08.01.2011 10:48 AM PDT
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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?


Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: grey101

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Here is a major question, Does the Reaper ship shields work the exact same way as the Alliance shields?

We honestly don't know, the Reaper shielding could be far different then anything explained thus far in the Mass Effect Universe.


still wouldn't matter if the sub-kiloton weapons got based them


Hmm?

It's shields didn't drop from the fleet firing on it. They dropped because Sovereign's avatar(Saren) did and it was heavily distracted by trying to hack to open the gate.


If a reaper has to divert all power to something simple as that they are clearly weak compared to the AI's in halo.

  • 08.01.2011 10:51 AM PDT


Posted by: grey101
If a reaper has to divert all power to something simple as that they are clearly weak compared to the AI's in halo.


As far as I know, it wasn't diverting all power, and seeing how the Proetheons(spelling +_+) -blam!- up the auto-systems allowing the Reapers to use it (reprogramming the keepers mainly.), I'd wager that and running Saren was tasking. It ignored the fleet mostly and they couldn't scratch it. I mean, to me it was less of "Drained." and more of "Stunned at Saren's avatar form death." which caused it's shields to drop, and only then with the entire Citadel fleet and Alliance fleet did they kill it.

Overall, I doubt reprogramming/running the entire Citadel relay was very simple.

Regardless, as this is facing the Covenant, Halo AI's don't really factor...

  • 08.01.2011 10:57 AM PDT





Is a sub-kiloton missile more powerful then a Supernova? Because that killed Sovereign.


Of course not, but keep in mind that there is a difference between being in the "mere" outskirts of a supernova and being directly hit by said missile, as well as the raging volley of fire from the rest of the fleet. I highly doubt the Normandy missile single-handedly blew Sovereign up (interestingly enough though, the missile hit the "belly" of the Reaper, which had several structural weaknesses and was protected by the Citadel tower for the whole battle).



And we have gone through the whole "well what if Reapers have different shield tech." There's two flaws with that.

First, its a conjecture, not an established fact, so unless you want to start assuming things (I can assume things too, you know) this is unquantifiable, border-line fanboy logic. And second, all of the Citadel's technology comes from the Reapers; are kinetic barriers somehow exempt?


Kinetic barrier technology was developed after learning how use mass effect fields. Even if the Reapers created Element Zero, the principle of kinetic barriers is still outdated for someone who has been around for an unfathomable amount of time. It's a logical assumption - much like how everyone in here says the Precursors are epic and godly powerful even though we don't know squat about them yet, other than that their technology at it's apex was superior to the Forerunner's (who defeated them ^^).

I won't answer the rest because you misunderstood my statement. What I meant was that the COMBINED force of every ME fleet is superior to the Covenant. Not each individual fleet.

  • 08.01.2011 12:05 PM PDT