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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

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Is a sub-kiloton missile more powerful then a Supernova? Because that killed Sovereign.


Of course not, but keep in mind that there is a difference between being in the "mere" outskirts of a supernova and being directly hit by said missile, as well as the raging volley of fire from the rest of the fleet. I highly doubt the Normandy missile single-handedly blew Sovereign up (interestingly enough though, the missile hit the "belly" of the Reaper, which had several structural weaknesses and was protected by the Citadel tower for the whole battle).



And we have gone through the whole "well what if Reapers have different shield tech." There's two flaws with that.

First, its a conjecture, not an established fact, so unless you want to start assuming things (I can assume things too, you know) this is unquantifiable, border-line fanboy logic. And second, all of the Citadel's technology comes from the Reapers; are kinetic barriers somehow exempt?


Kinetic barrier technology was developed after learning how use mass effect fields. Even if the Reapers created Element Zero, the principle of kinetic barriers is still outdated for someone who has been around for an unfathomable amount of time. It's a logical assumption - much like how everyone in here says the Precursors are epic and godly powerful even though we don't know squat about them yet, other than that their technology at it's apex was superior to the Forerunner's (who defeated them ^^).

I won't answer the rest because you misunderstood my statement. What I meant was that the COMBINED force of every ME fleet is superior to the Covenant. Not each individual fleet.


when was it ever said that the belly was the weak spot?


And rob understood your statement full well, you still haven't responded to mine or cmdrs.

Seeing how the precursor ships can swim around in a core of a planet for millions of years and pop up unharmed we say they are pretty damn tough. Seeing how there buildings are based off neutrinos which are only weak to the halo array itself we say they are pretty damn tough.


there is nothing to say about the reapers.

  • 08.01.2011 12:10 PM PDT

Posted by: grey101

Posted by: spurkis
Who says the Reapers are all equipped with primitive kinetic barriers? Sovereign's protection is only labeled as "shields".

May I add, Reaper armor is powerful enough to atleast survive being in the outskirts of a Supernova (Reapers and Mass Relays have the same material). Is a volley of plasma torpedoes better than a supernova?

Posted by: Buzz the Fuzz
In Mass Effect 3 it is likely that we're going to defeat the Reapers, and the Covenant has superior tech to the Mass Effect universe, sooooooo.....


Every fleet of every Mass Effect species > Covenant fleet strength/size.



regardless plasma wouldn't be stopped by it.

So can a UNSC ship (halowars) and if the UNSC ships can do it so can the covenant.

And how ignorant are you? the fleet of high charity (which is made of supercrusiers and carriers) could made the 27 year war a 5 year war if they were used.


Are you seriously saying hundreds of supercruisers and carriers would lose to mass effect when it took a FULL fleet just to take out sovereign and he wasn't even the strongest? not to mention the weapons in mass effect are kilotons where halo goes up to petatons (if i remember right). not to mention that covenant ships use plasma and are MILES long, hell the barriers wouldn't even hold up MAC rounds.


You are clearly a fanboy or just ignorant if you say mass effect would beat halo.


Woah, take a chill pill (or two), chap. I'm not saying that he Volus fleet would beat the Covenant fleet, but all the fleets in ME COMBINED, as they will be in ME3 when they beat the Reapers.

I don't want to go down the same path as you, but I suggest that the next time you're about to rage and cry because you were deeply offended by a statement, try reading it over again and if you're not sure what it means, tell the author to re-formulate or specify it.

  • 08.01.2011 12:12 PM PDT

I am alpha, i am omega.

I am the last of the primes.

As a reaper myself, i can safly say facing the covies would be hard... Our kinect barriers don't really like heat... Infact they suck.

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

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Posted by: spurkis
Posted by: grey101

Posted by: spurkis
Who says the Reapers are all equipped with primitive kinetic barriers? Sovereign's protection is only labeled as "shields".

May I add, Reaper armor is powerful enough to atleast survive being in the outskirts of a Supernova (Reapers and Mass Relays have the same material). Is a volley of plasma torpedoes better than a supernova?

Posted by: Buzz the Fuzz
In Mass Effect 3 it is likely that we're going to defeat the Reapers, and the Covenant has superior tech to the Mass Effect universe, sooooooo.....


Every fleet of every Mass Effect species > Covenant fleet strength/size.



regardless plasma wouldn't be stopped by it.

So can a UNSC ship (halowars) and if the UNSC ships can do it so can the covenant.

And how ignorant are you? the fleet of high charity (which is made of supercrusiers and carriers) could made the 27 year war a 5 year war if they were used.


Are you seriously saying hundreds of supercruisers and carriers would lose to mass effect when it took a FULL fleet just to take out sovereign and he wasn't even the strongest? not to mention the weapons in mass effect are kilotons where halo goes up to petatons (if i remember right). not to mention that covenant ships use plasma and are MILES long, hell the barriers wouldn't even hold up MAC rounds.


You are clearly a fanboy or just ignorant if you say mass effect would beat halo.


Woah, take a chill pill (or two), chap. I'm not saying that he Volus fleet would beat the Covenant fleet, but all the fleets in ME COMBINED, as they will be in ME3 when they beat the Reapers.

I don't want to go down the same path as you, but I suggest that the next time you're about to rage and cry because you were deeply offended by a statement, try reading it over again and if you're not sure what it means, tell the author to re-formulate or specify it.


This is not me "raging" this is me addressing the sheer ignorance of your statement.

The ships in mass effect are dropships compared to the covenant ships. There is no what "the combined fleet" would be able to take out roughly the 1,000 plus covenant ships that are mostly CCS class and supercarriers /cruisers.

And you are going off speculation because we know nothing about how the reapers are going to lose, for all we know Shepherd finds some ancient ship and uses that as his flagship. What until you have some decent facts before making assumptions.

  • 08.01.2011 12:15 PM PDT

Posted by: grey101



when was it ever said that the belly was the weak spot?


And rob understood your statement full well, you still haven't responded to mine or cmdrs.

Seeing how the precursor ships can swim around in a core of a planet for millions of years and pop up unharmed we say they are pretty damn tough. Seeing how there buildings are based off neutrinos which are only weak to the halo array itself we say they are pretty damn tough.


there is nothing to say about the reapers.


Legion said in ME2 that windows are structural weaknesses. If you check out a video of the Citadel battle you can get a clear view at the "belly" of Sovereign - it's illuminated like a city. I think it's safe to assume that that's where Saren, the geth and the Krogan crew were located while in the ship.

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

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Posted by: spurkis
Posted by: grey101



when was it ever said that the belly was the weak spot?


And rob understood your statement full well, you still haven't responded to mine or cmdrs.

Seeing how the precursor ships can swim around in a core of a planet for millions of years and pop up unharmed we say they are pretty damn tough. Seeing how there buildings are based off neutrinos which are only weak to the halo array itself we say they are pretty damn tough.


there is nothing to say about the reapers.


Legion said in ME2 that windows are structural weaknesses. If you check out a video of the Citadel battle you can get a clear view at the "belly" of Sovereign - it's illuminated like a city. I think it's safe to assume that that's where Saren, the geth and the Krogan crew were located while in the ship.


so long story short you pretty much just assumed that yourself?

  • 08.01.2011 12:19 PM PDT

You see, where my "Reaper shield tech is better then other shield tech in Mass Effect" Theory comes from is this.

If you were going to invade the galaxy, and purposefully guide their tech advances, are you going to put them at the same level as you? Hell no. You'll give them weaker shields, weaker weapons.

  • 08.01.2011 12:23 PM PDT

Posted by: grey101



This is not me "raging" this is me addressing the sheer ignorance of your statement.

The ships in mass effect are dropships compared to the covenant ships. There is no what "the combined fleet" would be able to take out roughly the 1,000 plus covenant ships that are mostly CCS class and supercarriers /cruisers.

And you are going off speculation because we know nothing about how the reapers are going to lose, for all we know Shepherd finds some ancient ship and uses that as his flagship. What until you have some decent facts before making assumptions.


Yelling to people, calling them ignorant and fanboys, is raging.

Dropships? What are you basing that statement on? Jeez. And you call me a fanboy?

I didn't even want to start a discussion, I was just shootin' in that an united galaxy is superior to ONE faction which isn't even a classical "overpowered sci-fi race". I hate to call people fanboys after laughing at them for calling ME a fanboy, but saying that one faction in your favorite universe would destroy everything in another universe kinda REEKS of fanboy logic.

So all the 50+ hours of scouring the galaxy, gathering allies was for nothing, because we'll find a superweapon that kills everything? Okay.

  • 08.01.2011 12:28 PM PDT

Posted by: grey101



so long story short you pretty much just assumed that yourself?


Well, where else would you suggest they resided? Inside one of the tentacles? And please, "pretty much" is just something you say to nullify the actual point of a statement.

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

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Posted by: spurkis
Posted by: grey101



This is not me "raging" this is me addressing the sheer ignorance of your statement.

The ships in mass effect are dropships compared to the covenant ships. There is no what "the combined fleet" would be able to take out roughly the 1,000 plus covenant ships that are mostly CCS class and supercarriers /cruisers.

And you are going off speculation because we know nothing about how the reapers are going to lose, for all we know Shepherd finds some ancient ship and uses that as his flagship. What until you have some decent facts before making assumptions.


Yelling to people, calling them ignorant and fanboys, is raging.

Dropships? What are you basing that statement on? Jeez. And you call me a fanboy?

I didn't even want to start a discussion, I was just shootin' in that an united galaxy is superior to ONE faction which isn't even a classical "overpowered sci-fi race". I hate to call people fanboys after laughing at them for calling ME a fanboy, but saying that one faction in your favorite universe would destroy everything in another universe kinda REEKS of fanboy logic.

So all the 50+ hours of scouring the galaxy, gathering allies was for nothing, because we'll find a superweapon that kills everything? Okay.



compare the sizes between the miles long covenant ships and the current ships we know in mass effect and tell me they wouldn't be small as hell. I am basing it off the fact that the covenant ships are miles long and what sovereign was one mile long he the ships STILL looked small?

I know that the CSS and reaper would be roughly around the same length but the CSS would win do to the fact of weaponry and shields.

and i like how people that understand what they are talking about are called fanboys. A fanboy is somebody that just won't accept the fact that on universe is "lesser" than another. I can have several people vouch for me on the fact this is the main time i say HALO WOULD WILL WITHOUT A DOUBT


Unless you know the plot of mass effect 3 stop acting like you do

  • 08.01.2011 12:38 PM PDT

To be frank, Grey is correct. The ships we've encountered(non-reapers/reaper-aligned) have used Kinetic barriers. These barriers offer no protection against plasma.

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To be frank, Grey is correct. The ships we've encountered(non-reapers/reaper-aligned) have used Kinetic barriers. These barriers offer no protection against plasma.


the mass relays themselves put mass effect at a disadvantage, along with he fact ships can not fight lengthy battles without discharging their cores.


A legitimate battle between the two wouldn't be far at all since mass effect is crippled since there would be no point in placing a mass relay in the haloverse.

Don't get me started on the hundreds of seraphs and dropships the covenant could also use to attack there forces.

  • 08.01.2011 12:56 PM PDT

Posted by: grey101



compare the sizes between the miles long covenant ships and the current ships we know in mass effect and tell me they wouldn't be small as hell. I am basing it off the fact that the covenant ships are miles long and what sovereign was one mile long he the ships STILL looked small?


Then I agree. I thought you meant that all ships in ME are like dropships when it comes to firepower and defense



I know that the CSS and reaper would be roughly around the same length but the CSS would win do to the fact of weaponry and shields.


Well, that's a matter I won't even consider contiuning discussing. BUT. When Covenant ships fire their plasme weapons, they have to deactivate their shields for a very very short amount of time. Those fractions of seconds are more than enough for a Reaper to react and fire its continous stream of fire.



and i like how people that understand what they are talking about are called fanboys. A fanboy is somebody that just won't accept the fact that on universe is "lesser" than another. I can have several people vouch for me on the fact this is the main time i say HALO WOULD WILL WITHOUT A DOUBT



Read the topic title. "Reapers vs. Covenant", not "Halo vs. Mass Effect". We're discussing two factions from two universes, not the universes themselves.
Of course you can, after all this is a Halo forum. What's your point? You can't make me shut up by taking a dump on the democracy, but with solid facts and less exaggerations, glorifications and flaming.



Unless you know the plot of mass effect 3 stop acting like you do


Lol, how am I acting? All I know about ME3 is that one of the possible outcomes of the campaign is the end of the Reapers, I don't think I ever said anything other than that.

  • 08.01.2011 12:58 PM PDT


Posted by: spurkis




Is a sub-kiloton missile more powerful then a Supernova? Because that killed Sovereign.


Of course not, but keep in mind that there is a difference between being in the "mere" outskirts of a supernova and being directly hit by said missile, as well as the raging volley of fire from the rest of the fleet. I highly doubt the Normandy missile single-handedly blew Sovereign up (interestingly enough though, the missile hit the "belly" of the Reaper, which had several structural weaknesses and was protected by the Citadel tower for the whole battle).



And we have gone through the whole "well what if Reapers have different shield tech." There's two flaws with that.

First, its a conjecture, not an established fact, so unless you want to start assuming things (I can assume things too, you know) this is unquantifiable, border-line fanboy logic. And second, all of the Citadel's technology comes from the Reapers; are kinetic barriers somehow exempt?


Kinetic barrier technology was developed after learning how use mass effect fields. Even if the Reapers created Element Zero, the principle of kinetic barriers is still outdated for someone who has been around for an unfathomable amount of time. It's a logical assumption - much like how everyone in here says the Precursors are epic and godly powerful even though we don't know squat about them yet, other than that their technology at it's apex was superior to the Forerunner's (who defeated them ^^).

I won't answer the rest because you misunderstood my statement. What I meant was that the COMBINED force of every ME fleet is superior to the Covenant. Not each individual fleet.


If Earth was unfortunate enough to get the tail end of a supernova, we would all fry and the planet would bake. A supernova going off of a star like ours releases all of the energy the sun will ever use in its entire life time.

I'm also going to point out that a Reaper of the same appearance as Sovereign gets nailed by either a rail gun or a plasma bomb of some sort in a Mass Effect 3 demo and almost dies. It definitely took it out of commission for a few seconds before waking back up and continuing its advance, and while yes it did survive, it got blown clean to the ground.

They don't strike me as being all that invincible when a shot fired from the Normandy can incapacitate one.

And yes, I apologize, I read your statement wrong; I still however doubt their ability to tackle the Covenant.

And the deifference between your speculating and what we say of the Precursors is that the Precursors are confirmed to build their structures out of 100% invincible material that in under no circumstances short of a highly specialized weapon can they be destroyed at all.

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

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Posted by: spurkis
Posted by: grey101



compare the sizes between the miles long covenant ships and the current ships we know in mass effect and tell me they wouldn't be small as hell. I am basing it off the fact that the covenant ships are miles long and what sovereign was one mile long he the ships STILL looked small?


Then I agree. I thought you meant that all ships in ME are like dropships when it comes to firepower and defense



I know that the CSS and reaper would be roughly around the same length but the CSS would win do to the fact of weaponry and shields.


Well, that's a matter I won't even consider contiuning discussing. BUT. When Covenant ships fire their plasme weapons, they have to deactivate their shields for a very very short amount of time. Those fractions of seconds are more than enough for a Reaper to react and fire its continous stream of fire.



and i like how people that understand what they are talking about are called fanboys. A fanboy is somebody that just won't accept the fact that on universe is "lesser" than another. I can have several people vouch for me on the fact this is the main time i say HALO WOULD WILL WITHOUT A DOUBT



Read the topic title. "Reapers vs. Covenant", not "Halo vs. Mass Effect". We're discussing two factions from two universes, not the universes themselves.
Of course you can, after all this is a Halo forum. What's your point? You can't make me shut up by taking a dump on the democracy, but with solid facts and less exaggerations, glorifications and flaming.



Unless you know the plot of mass effect 3 stop acting like you do


Lol, how am I acting? All I know about ME3 is that one of the possible outcomes of the campaign is the end of the Reapers, I don't think I ever said anything other than that.


1. um they might has well be since they are only operating in the kilotons. the missile that killed sovereign isn't even stronger than a UNSC Frigate Mac.

2.Yet the reaper didn't fire in those seconds after saren was destroyed because he was "shook up"? the reapers are clearly based off some organic form which makes them weak also. And if the UNSC ships housing AIs better than sovereign couldn't time something like that i doubt the reapers could.

3.IT is the fact i was showing that i admit the truth when i saw who would win. understand the context of the statement.

Mass effect operates on kilotons= Fact

Covenant ships use Gigatons= Fact

Mass effect ships can't fight for long periods= Fact

Kinetic shields won't stop plasma or light= Fact

one thousand covenant ships are not going to be destroyed by kiloton weapons= Fact


Covenant have the advantage of slipspace= Fact

Mass effect has the disadvantage of mass relays=Fact

The 800 meter to 1 kilometer dreadnoughts are NOT going to stand up against a 16 mile covenant supercruiser= Fact


Do i really need to go on? just accept it


4. You are acting like you know the plot of mass effect 3 and basing assumptions off them, unless you can't understand English i don't see how that point didn't get across.

  • 08.01.2011 1:13 PM PDT


Posted by: grey101

Posted by: spurkis
Posted by: grey101

Posted by: spurkis
Who says the Reapers are all equipped with primitive kinetic barriers? Sovereign's protection is only labeled as "shields".

May I add, Reaper armor is powerful enough to atleast survive being in the outskirts of a Supernova (Reapers and Mass Relays have the same material). Is a volley of plasma torpedoes better than a supernova?

Posted by: Buzz the Fuzz
In Mass Effect 3 it is likely that we're going to defeat the Reapers, and the Covenant has superior tech to the Mass Effect universe, sooooooo.....


Every fleet of every Mass Effect species > Covenant fleet strength/size.



regardless plasma wouldn't be stopped by it.

So can a UNSC ship (halowars) and if the UNSC ships can do it so can the covenant.

And how ignorant are you? the fleet of high charity (which is made of supercrusiers and carriers) could made the 27 year war a 5 year war if they were used.


Are you seriously saying hundreds of supercruisers and carriers would lose to mass effect when it took a FULL fleet just to take out sovereign and he wasn't even the strongest? not to mention the weapons in mass effect are kilotons where halo goes up to petatons (if i remember right). not to mention that covenant ships use plasma and are MILES long, hell the barriers wouldn't even hold up MAC rounds.


You are clearly a fanboy or just ignorant if you say mass effect would beat halo.


Woah, take a chill pill (or two), chap. I'm not saying that he Volus fleet would beat the Covenant fleet, but all the fleets in ME COMBINED, as they will be in ME3 when they beat the Reapers.

I don't want to go down the same path as you, but I suggest that the next time you're about to rage and cry because you were deeply offended by a statement, try reading it over again and if you're not sure what it means, tell the author to re-formulate or specify it.


This is not me "raging" this is me addressing the sheer ignorance of your statement.

The ships in mass effect are dropships compared to the covenant ships. There is no what "the combined fleet" would be able to take out roughly the 1,000 plus covenant ships that are mostly CCS class and supercarriers /cruisers.

And you are going off speculation because we know nothing about how the reapers are going to lose, for all we know Shepherd finds some ancient ship and uses that as his flagship. What until you have some decent facts before making assumptions.


Well, BioWare has been implying you legitimately defeat them using superior military tactics and overall strategy, even straight up saying in a Gameinformer interview that there will be no Reaper "off" switch or magic win button.

[Edited on 08.01.2011 1:13 PM PDT]

  • 08.01.2011 1:13 PM PDT

Yes, I wonder how BioWare will explain how the Reapers generally are much weaker than Sovereign (perhaps it's because they aren't backed by a geth fleet, I dunno). Inb4 super-EMP and Derelict Reaper-mass driver.

Another user also misunderstood it, AND stated that you didn't misunderstand it, so maybe I'm the one to apologize.

  • 08.01.2011 1:13 PM PDT

What? He was relying on the geth for protection as he was devoting himself to hacking the relay and hosting Saren. He opens fire immediately after the Alliance enters the Citadel, and seems to let go of the tower and drops his shields when Saren's body finally dies.
They're not organic, but modeled after organics. Does Master Chief get slower reactions without his powered armor and AI? No. See the point? Even if the Reapers were organic or had organic parts, they wouldn't react slower, because the synthetic parts override whatever's left of their organic parts.
I think a Reaper that is fully devoted to an actual space battle has better reaction time than a UNSC A.I. Frigates seem to have to position themselves properly before firing, and having to charge their MACs, whilst Reapers just float around and fire their beams.



3.IT is the fact i was showing that i admit the truth when i saw who would win. understand the context of the statement.


I honestly don't understand what you're trying to say here, and I don't care. This is about the Reapers against the Covenant, not the two universes against each other.


4. You are acting like you know the plot of mass effect 3 and basing assumptions off them, unless you can't understand English i don't see how that point didn't get across.


Do I have to repeat myself? Okay: Of course it'll be vital to have as many fleets on your side as possible in ME3 to crush the Reapers, and that there will in fact be possible to defeat them. Have I said anything else? If so, please quote such statements.

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

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Posted by: spurkis

They're not organic, but modeled after organics. Does Master Chief get slower reactions without his powered armor and AI? No. See the point? Even if the Reapers were organic or had organic parts, they wouldn't react slower, because the synthetic parts override whatever's left of their organic parts.
I think a Reaper that is fully devoted to an actual space battle has better reaction time than a UNSC A.I. Frigates seem to have to position themselves properly before firing, and having to charge their MACs, whilst Reapers just float around and fire their beams.



3.IT is the fact i was showing that i admit the truth when i saw who would win. understand the context of the statement.


I honestly don't understand what you're trying to say here, and I don't care. This is about the Reapers against the Covenant, not the two universes against each other.


4. You are acting like you know the plot of mass effect 3 and basing assumptions off them, unless you can't understand English i don't see how that point didn't get across.


Do I have to repeat myself? Okay: Of course it'll be vital to have as many fleets on your side as possible in ME3 to crush the Reapers, and that there will in fact be possible to defeat them. Have I said anything else? If so, please quote such statements.


1. you do understand there is a LARGE difference between reapers and power armor? Cortana alone is a better AI than sovereign.


Since i clearly showed that the covenant would be overkill for ME are we done?

  • 08.01.2011 1:47 PM PDT


Posted by: grey101

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
To be frank, Grey is correct. The ships we've encountered(non-reapers/reaper-aligned) have used Kinetic barriers. These barriers offer no protection against plasma.


the mass relays themselves put mass effect at a disadvantage, along with he fact ships can not fight lengthy battles without discharging their cores.


A legitimate battle between the two wouldn't be far at all since mass effect is crippled since there would be no point in placing a mass relay in the haloverse.

Don't get me started on the hundreds of seraphs and dropships the covenant could also use to attack there forces.

Even if the battle would be in the ME universe then still the Covenant could cripple them,as Arrival has shown Mass Relays are not so indestructable as the codex previously claimed, Plasma Bombardment would destroy them, the Covenant jumps away and the Mass Relay blows up destroying the entire system it wass positioned in, cutting of all other systems that relied on it. With a speed of 912 Light Years per day the Covenant could move through the galaxy quite efficiently slowly glassing planet after planet, which is pretty much the same way how Reapers wipe out all species at the end of a cycle, especially if the Covenant accessed the data on the Citadel and got the locations of all known worlds. Because everybody would be cut off from each no actual counter offensive would be possible, it would be like the Human-Covenant war, but much worse and the Covenant fleet would suffer minimal losses.
On the ground it wouldn't be so bad, but the Covenant would always have superior numbers and vehicles (sadly not many vehicles were mentioned in ME's canon and we can't make up vehicles) and the only places where they actually might bother to go to ground would be planets with a human population because of thier Lumanaires, that's assuming they even would work with ME humans since the Forerunners haven't messed around with their DNA.

Now back ontopic,
Reaper weaponry would be pretty much only weapons that would have any kind of effect on Covenant shields from the ME universe besides Dreadnought main guns, however the Reapers are basically firing molten metal and Covenant armor is very resistant against heat which would lower the effectiveness. Meanwhile the Covenant would be one shotting the Reapers, especially if they are far away and can freely snipe the Reapers with energy lances before they can even fire and bigger Covenant ships have multiple energy lances and if the Reapers get closer Plasma Torpedoes will do the job just as well. The Reapers would be able to take on a small Covenant fleet or actually more of a battlegroup, but not a Covenant fleet, especially a fleet with multiple Supercarriers. If they encountered the High Charity defense fleet then the Reapers would be destroyed before they could stay "I AM THE VANGUARD OF YOUR DESTRUCTION!"

Also like it was said before, until its said otherwise the Reapers have kinetic barriers since nothing has indicated it might be something else, unless we might start speculating too then.

  • 08.01.2011 1:48 PM PDT

1. um they might has well be since they are only operating in the kilotons. the missile that killed sovereign isn't even stronger than a UNSC Frigate Mac.

The Normandy was a recon frigate not suited for space battles like that. And it's missile didn't single-handedly kill Sovereign: the combined fire of the entire Fifth Fleet and Normandy did. Do we know how powerful the regular warships of the Alliance are, let alone the other alien fleet warships?

2.Yet the reaper didn't fire in those seconds after saren was destroyed because he was "shook up"? the reapers are clearly based off some organic form which makes them weak also. And if the UNSC ships housing AIs better than sovereign couldn't time something like that i doubt the reapers could.

What? He was relying on the geth for protection as he was devoting himself to hacking the relay and hosting Saren. He opens fire immediately after the Alliance enters the Citadel, and seems to let go of the tower and drops his shields when Saren's body finally dies.

They're not organic, but modeled after organics. Does Master Chief get slower reactions without his powered armor and AI? No. See the point? Even if the Reapers were organic or had organic parts, they wouldn't react slower, because the synthetic parts override whatever's left of their organic parts.
I think a Reaper that is fully devoted to an actual space battle has better reaction time than a UNSC A.I. Frigates seem to have to position themselves properly before firing, and having to charge their MACs, whilst Reapers just float around and fire their beams.



3.IT is the fact i was showing that i admit the truth when i saw who would win. understand the context of the statement.


I honestly don't understand what you're trying to say here, and I don't care. This is about the Reapers against the Covenant, not the two universes against each other.


4. You are acting like you know the plot of mass effect 3 and basing assumptions off them, unless you can't understand English i don't see how that point didn't get across.


Do I have to repeat myself? Okay: Of course it'll be vital to have as many fleets on your side as possible in ME3 to crush the Reapers, and that there will in fact be possible to defeat them. Have I said anything else? If so, please quote such statements.

  • 08.01.2011 1:48 PM PDT
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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?

Spurkis it is extremely said that you are comparing power armor to a living machine. Is this over since i proved that the covenant would be overkill for mass effect?

  • 08.01.2011 1:50 PM PDT

Posted by: grey101
Since i clearly showed that the covenant would be overkill for ME are we done?

Based on my previous experiences with delusional ME fanboys we are far from done....

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  • 08.01.2011 1:51 PM PDT

Posted by: grey101


1. you do understand there is a LARGE difference between reapers and power armor? Cortana alone is a better AI than sovereign.


Since i clearly showed that the covenant would be overkill for ME are we done?


And your point is? You say that Reapers are based on organics, and that they therefore don't have the reaction time of machines. The princple is the same.
How do you measure how good an AI is? ...........

Yes, we are done. You're trying to derail this thread and won't listen to reason. I see no point in this.

I see you edited your post. I didn't make any more sense, fyi.....

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?


Posted by: spurkis
Posted by: grey101


1. you do understand there is a LARGE difference between reapers and power armor? Cortana alone is a better AI than sovereign.


Since i clearly showed that the covenant would be overkill for ME are we done?



Yes, we are done. You're trying to derail this thread and won't listen to reason. I see no point in this.


I am "de-railing" this thread by not blindly saying mass effect will win? i have been pn topic the ENTIRE time and i encourage you to quote a response of my that was not on topic, PM a mod and get me banned.

"won't listen to reason"? what reason have you given? what support/back up/ evidence have you give? how am i suppose to listen if you aren't talking? you have yet to respond to this



Posted by: grey101


Mass effect operates on kilotons= Fact

Covenant ships use Gigatons= Fact

Mass effect ships can't fight for long periods= Fact

Kinetic shields won't stop plasma or light= Fact

one thousand covenant ships are not going to be destroyed by kiloton weapons= Fact


Covenant have the advantage of slipspace= Fact

Mass effect has the disadvantage of mass relays=Fact

The 800 meter to 1 kilometer dreadnoughts are NOT going to stand up against a 16 mile covenant supercruiser= Fact




* edit. what post did i edited that "changed something? the only thing i changed was on the second page which was "lost" to "lose", nothing else was touched.

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