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I don't see how Cortana is better then a reaper... I mean, how would she fair trying to hack into a Forerunner installation with security measures, keep track of Master chief and guide him on a ground mission, while also maintaining ship defenses?

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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
I don't see how Cortana is better then a reaper... I mean, how would she fair trying to hack into a Forerunner installation with security measures, keep track of Master chief and guide him on a ground mission, while also maintaining ship defenses?



The same as how cortana is always multi tasking during all the games/ books.

halo evolutions page 371

In the time it takes me to tell you my name, i can preform Five Billion simultaneous operations. a heartbeat for you; an eternity for me..... so- my name is cortana, UNSC AI serial number CTN-0452-9


If sovereign couldn't even do FOUR things at the same time i don't even get what we are talking about. hell i am laughing right now.

  • 08.01.2011 2:09 PM PDT

I am alpha, i am omega.

I am the last of the primes.

Alliance < Unsc < Reapers < covies < your mom < Forerunners < flood < Tier 1 humans < precs.

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Posted by: ferrrari
Alliance < Unsc < Reapers < covies < your mom < Forerunners < flood < Tier 1 humans < precs.


you clearly haven't been following the thread.

A UNSC frigate is stronger than a dreadnought in mass effect.

Covenant> Everything

UNSC> EVERYTHING (due to AIs mostly)

  • 08.01.2011 2:15 PM PDT


Posted by: grey101

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
I don't see how Cortana is better then a reaper... I mean, how would she fair trying to hack into a Forerunner installation with security measures, keep track of Master chief and guide him on a ground mission, while also maintaining ship defenses?



The same as how cortana is always multi tasking during all the games/ books.

halo evolutions page 371

In the time it takes me to tell you my name, i can preform Five Billion simultaneous operations. a heartbeat for you; an eternity for me..... so- my name is cortana, UNSC AI serial number CTN-0452-9


If sovereign couldn't even do FOUR things at the same time i don't even get what we are talking about. hell i am laughing right now.


We are talking about massively difficult operations.

You really think Cortana could hack INTO a guarded Forerunner database quickly without focusing a MASSIVE chunk of her attention on it?

I'd agree with you, if the things Sovereign was doing was mundane/easy to do tasks.

[Edited on 08.01.2011 2:19 PM PDT]

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Posted by: grey101

Posted by: ferrrari
Alliance < Unsc < Reapers < covies < your mom < Forerunners < flood < Tier 1 humans < precs.


you clearly haven't been following the thread.

A UNSC frigate is stronger than a dreadnought in mass effect.

Covenant> Everything

UNSC> EVERYTHING (due to AIs mostly)

Yes thats what i said.

  • 08.01.2011 2:20 PM PDT

You are derailing this thread by obviously trying to make it into a Halo vs Mass Effect thread whilst having a rather hostile tone to your posts since the beginning.

[quote]"won't listen to reason"? what reason have you given? what support/back up/ evidence have you give? how am i suppose to listen if you aren't talking? you have yet to respond to this [quote]

Read my posts and my arguments.

I didn't respond to that list because it's irrelevant and is considering the two universes as wholes (you bring in light as weapon, referring to the Forerunners, you bring in weapons operating with kilotons while Sovereign uses molten iron-uranium-tungsten energy streams fired at a fraction of lightspeed).
But if you will, I can answer to the ones I find relevant or worth answering.

Mass effect ships can't fight for long periods= Fact -- They can, as long as the battle is located in interstellar space, where it's generally very cold.

Covenant have the advantage of slipspace and Mass effect has the disadvantage of mass relays=Fact -- Who needs slipspace when you can just use regular FTL?

The 800 meter to 1 kilometer dreadnoughts are NOT going to stand up against a 16 mile covenant supercruiser= Fact -- Reapers are around 2km. Size isn't everything, too - and then you have a thing called Reaper indoctrination. Might be useful when a ship is too big and needs to be infiltrated to be destroyed.

  • 08.01.2011 2:24 PM PDT


Posted by: grey101

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
I don't see how Cortana is better then a reaper... I mean, how would she fair trying to hack into a Forerunner installation with security measures, keep track of Master chief and guide him on a ground mission, while also maintaining ship defenses?



The same as how cortana is always multi tasking during all the games/ books.

halo evolutions page 371

In the time it takes me to tell you my name, i can preform Five Billion simultaneous operations. a heartbeat for you; an eternity for me..... so- my name is cortana, UNSC AI serial number CTN-0452-9


If sovereign couldn't even do FOUR things at the same time i don't even get what we are talking about. hell i am laughing right now.


Wasn't it calculated that since Cortana managed to bypass a certain, modulating security system she'd be able to calculate every atom in the universe in a span of an hour or something?

I can't remember and I'm not good with computers, but calculating all atoms in existance was in their somewhere on her resume.

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Posted by: spurkis
You are derailing this thread by obviously trying to make it into a Halo vs Mass Effect thread whilst having a rather hostile tone to your posts since the beginning.

[quote]"won't listen to reason"? what reason have you given? what support/back up/ evidence have you give? how am i suppose to listen if you aren't talking? you have yet to respond to this [quote]

Read my posts and my arguments.

I didn't respond to that list because it's irrelevant and is considering the two universes as wholes (you bring in light as weapon, referring to the Forerunners, you bring in weapons operating with kilotons while Sovereign uses molten iron-uranium-tungsten energy streams fired at a fraction of lightspeed).
But if you will, I can answer to the ones I find relevant or worth answering.

Mass effect ships can't fight for long periods= Fact -- They can, as long as the battle is located in interstellar space, where it's generally very cold.

Covenant have the advantage of slipspace and Mass effect has the disadvantage of mass relays=Fact -- Who needs slipspace when you can just use regular FTL?

The 800 meter to 1 kilometer dreadnoughts are NOT going to stand up against a 16 mile covenant supercruiser= Fact -- Reapers are around 2km. Size isn't everything, too - and then you have a thing called Reaper indoctrination. Might be useful when a ship is too big and needs to be infiltrated to be destroyed.


Indoctrination, firstly, takes weeks to work, and the Reaper needs to be both alive and near the Covenant for it to work. As the Covenant atomize all of their enemies to clense the "infection," I doubt this'll work.

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Posted by: goldhawk
We should know better, because we are better.

Just going to jump in here for a second. I just have one question:

Posted by: Vercetti24

With a speed of 912 Light Years per day the Covenant could move through the galaxy quite efficiently slowly glassing planet after planet,

Where did you get 912 light years per day? That is absurdly fast and far beyond the Covenant's capabilities. The Covenant would not have been located in a single small arm of the galaxy and it also goes against what we already know about them.

Glassing has also been disproved as it would take the Covenant a full 30 years to glass a planet with them using all their ships.

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Posted by: Xd00999
Just going to jump in here for a second. I just have one question:

Posted by: Vercetti24

With a speed of 912 Light Years per day the Covenant could move through the galaxy quite efficiently slowly glassing planet after planet,

Where did you get 912 light years per day? That is absurdly fast and far beyond the Covenant's capabilities. The Covenant would not have been located in a single small arm of the galaxy and it also goes against what we already know about them.

Glassing has also been disproved as it would take the Covenant a full 30 years to glass a planet with them using all their ships.


I refer to you again the plethora of reasons why that is both wrong, ignorant, ignored by 343i and holds no canonical value as of later canon sources.

I mean seriously, how can that still hold any sway on this forum? It makes no sense.

  • 08.01.2011 2:31 PM PDT

Posted by: ROBERTO jh
Indoctrination, firstly, takes weeks to work, and the Reaper needs to be both alive and near the Covenant for it to work. As the Covenant atomize all of their enemies to clense the "infection," I doubt this'll work.


True, but then again the timespan of this hypothetical battle hasn't been defined. grey101 keeps saying that ME loses because the ships can't fight for a long time, possibly implying that this battle could last for weeks (?).

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Posted by: goldhawk
We should know better, because we are better.


Posted by: ROBERTO jh

Posted by: Xd00999
Just going to jump in here for a second. I just have one question:

Posted by: Vercetti24

With a speed of 912 Light Years per day the Covenant could move through the galaxy quite efficiently slowly glassing planet after planet,

Where did you get 912 light years per day? That is absurdly fast and far beyond the Covenant's capabilities. The Covenant would not have been located in a single small arm of the galaxy and it also goes against what we already know about them.

Glassing has also been disproved as it would take the Covenant a full 30 years to glass a planet with them using all their ships.


I refer to you again the plethora of reasons why that is both wrong, ignorant, ignored by 343i and holds no canonical value as of later canon sources.

I mean seriously, how can that still hold any sway on this forum? It makes no sense.

The glassing part you mean? I still hold true to that because it has been backed up by several small changes (made by 343), a large amount of data (gathered by the AI), and the the fact that the Covenant can not posses that amount of power.

  • 08.01.2011 2:40 PM PDT


Posted by: ROBERTO jh

Posted by: grey101

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
I don't see how Cortana is better then a reaper... I mean, how would she fair trying to hack into a Forerunner installation with security measures, keep track of Master chief and guide him on a ground mission, while also maintaining ship defenses?



The same as how cortana is always multi tasking during all the games/ books.

halo evolutions page 371

In the time it takes me to tell you my name, i can preform Five Billion simultaneous operations. a heartbeat for you; an eternity for me..... so- my name is cortana, UNSC AI serial number CTN-0452-9


If sovereign couldn't even do FOUR things at the same time i don't even get what we are talking about. hell i am laughing right now.


Wasn't it calculated that since Cortana managed to bypass a certain, modulating security system she'd be able to calculate every atom in the universe in a span of an hour or something?

I can't remember and I'm not good with computers, but calculating all atoms in existance was in their somewhere on her resume.



I've never, ever heard of that about Cortana in any of the lore I've read.

Also, How can Cortana be better if she could barely handle guiding Master Chief, keeping Covenant sensors off-balance, and fighting a Covenant AI at once? (First Strike).

Seriously though, I'd love to see Cortana handle breaking into a shielded Forerunner database, while running all of a large cruisers point defense systems, WHILE guiding Master chief (since she cannot actually run his body like Sovereign did with Saren, which would be more taxing.)

Edit: Frankly that's -blam!- ridiculous. As my brother said, NO scifi UNIVERSE can make something that does that. Cortana doing it in an hour makes her like a -blam!- Q from Star Trek, why didn't humanity have massive leaps of tech since she's so intelligent?

[Edited on 08.01.2011 2:47 PM PDT]

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Posted by: spurkis
You are derailing this thread by obviously trying to make it into a Halo vs Mass Effect thread whilst having a rather hostile tone to your posts since the beginning.

"won't listen to reason"? what reason have you given? what support/back up/ evidence have you give? how am i suppose to listen if you aren't talking? you have yet to respond to this [quote]

Read my posts and my arguments.

I didn't respond to that list because it's irrelevant and is considering the two universes as wholes (you bring in light as weapon, referring to the Forerunners, you bring in weapons operating with kilotons while Sovereign uses molten iron-uranium-tungsten energy streams fired at a fraction of lightspeed).
But if you will, I can answer to the ones I find relevant or worth answering.

Mass effect ships can't fight for long periods= Fact -- They can, as long as the battle is located in interstellar space, where it's generally very cold.

Covenant have the advantage of slipspace and Mass effect has the disadvantage of mass relays=Fact -- Who needs slipspace when you can just use regular FTL?

The 800 meter to 1 kilometer dreadnoughts are NOT going to stand up against a 16 mile covenant supercruiser= Fact -- Reapers are around 2km. Size isn't everything, too - and then you have a thing called Reaper indoctrination. Might be useful when a ship is too big and needs to be infiltrated to be destroyed.


Spurkis i didn't ask you to explain i asked for a quote. I have been talking about the covenant the entire time you just falsely translated one sentence (which wouldn't count as de-railing a thread).

LMAO "irreverent" or can you just not accept the facts? you are clearly trolling now



[quote]Posted by: grey101




Mass effect operates on kilotons= Fact

So because sovereign uses a different type of weapon this is "irrelevant"? what about the other races in mass effect that clearly use kilotons? this is [b]ME versus the covenant correct? so stop running away from this and make a counter.[/b]

Covenant ships use Gigatons= Fact

Mass effect ships can't fight for long periods= Fact
Space Combat: Combat Endurance

Heat limits the length and intensity of ship-to-ship combat. Starships generate enormous heat when they fire high-energy weapons, perform maneuvering burns, and run on-board combat electronics.

In combat, warships produce heat more quickly than they can disperse it. As heat builds within a vessel, the crewed spaces become increasingly uncomfortable. Before the heat reaches lethal levels, a ship must win or retreat by entering FTL. After an FTL run, the ships halts, shuts down non-essential systems, and activates the heat radiation gear.

u]Combat [/endurance varies by ship design and by the battle's location.[/u] Battles in the deep cold of interstellar space can go on for some time. Engagements close to a star are BRIEF. Since habitable worlds are usually close to a star, battles over them are usually more frantic.




Kinetic shields won't stop plasma or light= Fact

one thousand covenant ships are not going to be destroyed by kiloton weapons= Fact


Covenant have the advantage of slipspace= Fact

I am unaware of Mass effect being able to travel in space other than the relays, link please?

Mass effect has the disadvantage of mass relays=Fact

The 800 meter to 1 kilometer dreadnoughts are NOT going to stand up against a 16 mile covenant supercruiser= Fact

"size isn't everything" yet a single supercrusier can wipe out 40 UNSC ships which are stronger than the dreadnoughts in mass effect?


Over days, perhaps a week of exposure to Sovereign's signal, the subject stops thinking for themselves and just obeys, eventually becoming a mindless servant.

So the covenant are just going to sit around for days and not do anything? You clearly don't know what you are talking about and ignore anything that puts your "claim" if it can even be called that, to rest.



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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

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Posted by: spurkis
Posted by: ROBERTO jh
Indoctrination, firstly, takes weeks to work, and the Reaper needs to be both alive and near the Covenant for it to work. As the Covenant atomize all of their enemies to clense the "infection," I doubt this'll work.


True, but then again the timespan of this hypothetical battle hasn't been defined. grey101 keeps saying that ME loses because the ships can't fight for a long time, possibly implying that this battle could last for weeks (?).


the depth of your ignorance does not fail to surprise me. obviously the codex was talking hours not weeks. If reach fell in 2 hours and the UNSC is stronger than ME then the battle is going to be short

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
I don't see how Cortana is better then a reaper... I mean, how would she fair trying to hack into a Forerunner installation with security measures, keep track of Master chief and guide him on a ground mission, while also maintaining ship defenses?[/quote]


The same as how cortana is always multi tasking during all the games/ books.

halo evolutions page 371

In the time it takes me to tell you my name, i can preform Five Billion simultaneous operations. a heartbeat for you; an eternity for me..... so- my name is cortana, UNSC AI serial number CTN-0452-9


If sovereign couldn't even do FOUR things at the same time i don't even get what we are talking about. hell i am laughing right now.


We are talking about massively difficult operations.

You really think Cortana could hack INTO a guarded Forerunner database quickly without focusing a MASSIVE chunk of her attention on it?

I'd agree with you, if the things Sovereign was doing was mundane/easy to do tasks.


why are you comparing the citadel to something forerunner? the reapers built it so they already have an understanding of it, especially if they have done this several times.

It would be better if you said something UNSC related and i am sure there was a condition in FS that i can't remember off the top of my head

  • 08.01.2011 2:46 PM PDT


Posted by: grey101
why are you comparing the citadel to something forerunner? the reapers built it so they already have an understanding of it, especially if they have done this several times.

It would be better if you said something UNSC related and i am sure there was a condition in FS that i can't remember off the top of my head


Because the proetheians went in there and reprogrammed ALL the keepers, as well as the station itself. Then you have the Citadel council putting their stuff on top of that. It wasn't a Reaper operating system anymore.

Point is, it wasn't like Cortana going into a UNSC database. It wasn't like somebody unlocking their front door. It'd be more like somebody unlocking the door when the locks have been completely changed.

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Posted by: grey101
why are you comparing the citadel to something forerunner? the reapers built it so they already have an understanding of it, especially if they have done this several times.

It would be better if you said something UNSC related and i am sure there was a condition in FS that i can't remember off the top of my head


Because the proetheians went in there and reprogrammed ALL the keepers, as well as the station itself. Then you have the Citadel council putting their stuff on top of that. It wasn't a Reaper operating system anymore.

Point is, it wasn't like Cortana going into a UNSC database. It wasn't like somebody unlocking their front door. It'd be more like somebody unlocking the door when the locks have been completely changed.


when was it said that the protheans messed with the station itself? All i remember vigil saying is that the keepers signal had been turned off and they found out how to control the station, they didn't do anything like you are implying.

council doing what exactly? all sovereign was trying to do is open a damn gate, the keepers were not being messed with at all during that point. I don't understand why sovereign was diverting power to saren in the first place when there were several other ways he could have killed Shepard.

If he can't have the sense to use saren as a diversion and focus mainly on opening the gate and protecting himself; he is clearly a lesser AI.


Point is it is because cortana to UNSC base is sovereign to citadel. Again the only thing i remember the protheans touching are the keepers, vigil only gave Shepard a file so he could close the gate himself. so i am going to need to know what else the protheans changed.

  • 08.01.2011 2:58 PM PDT

Posted by: grey101


Spurkis i didn't ask you to explain i asked for a quote. I have been talking about the covenant the entire time you just falsely translated one sentence (which wouldn't count as de-railing a thread).

LMAO "irreverent" or can you just not accept the facts? you are clearly trolling now



Posted by: grey101




Mass effect operates on kilotons= Fact

So because sovereign uses a different type of weapon this is "irrelevant"? what about the other races in mass effect that clearly use kilotons? this is [b]ME versus the covenant correct? so stop running away from this and make a counter.[/b]

Covenant ships use Gigatons= Fact

Mass effect ships can't fight for long periods= Fact
Space Combat: Combat Endurance

Heat limits the length and intensity of ship-to-ship combat. Starships generate enormous heat when they fire high-energy weapons, perform maneuvering burns, and run on-board combat electronics.

In combat, warships produce heat more quickly than they can disperse it. As heat builds within a vessel, the crewed spaces become increasingly uncomfortable. Before the heat reaches lethal levels, a ship must win or retreat by entering FTL. After an FTL run, the ships halts, shuts down non-essential systems, and activates the heat radiation gear.

u]Combat [/endurance varies by ship design and by the battle's location.[/u] Battles in the deep cold of interstellar space can go on for some time. Engagements close to a star are BRIEF. Since habitable worlds are usually close to a star, battles over them are usually more frantic.




Kinetic shields won't stop plasma or light= Fact

one thousand covenant ships are not going to be destroyed by kiloton weapons= Fact


Covenant have the advantage of slipspace= Fact

I am unaware of Mass effect being able to travel in space other than the relays, link please?

Mass effect has the disadvantage of mass relays=Fact

The 800 meter to 1 kilometer dreadnoughts are NOT going to stand up against a 16 mile covenant supercruiser= Fact

"size isn't everything" yet a single supercrusier can wipe out 40 UNSC ships which are stronger than the dreadnoughts in mass effect?


Over days, perhaps a week of exposure to Sovereign's signal, the subject stops thinking for themselves and just obeys, eventually becoming a mindless servant.

So the covenant are just going to sit around for days and not do anything? You clearly don't know what you are talking about and ignore anything that puts your "claim" if it can even be called that, to rest.





I'm not sure how to answer to this messy post, but oh well.

"not to mention the weapons in mass effect are kilotons where halo goes up to petatons (if i remember right). "
"You are clearly a fanboy or just ignorant if you say mass effect would beat halo."

These two quotes are from your first response to me (which by the way was quite entertaining to read, I've never seen such rage on these boards). In these quotes you start talking about Mass Effect as a whole, not the Reapers.

"The ships in mass effect are dropships compared to the covenant ships."

More crap talking about the general Citadel race-ship technology in Mass Effect.

"
Covenant ships use Gigatons= Fact

Mass effect ships can't fight for long periods= Fact

Kinetic shields won't stop plasma or light= Fact

one thousand covenant ships are not going to be destroyed by kiloton weapons= Fact


Covenant have the advantage of slipspace= Fact

Mass effect has the disadvantage of mass relays=Fact

The 800 meter to 1 kilometer dreadnoughts are NOT going to stand up against a 16 mile covenant supercruiser= Fact"

70% of this list keeps talking about Mass Effect vs. Halo, not Reapers vs. Covies.

Are you starting to comprehend why much of what you're posting is utterly irrelevant? And now you're calling me a troll, too.

"So because sovereign uses a different type of weapon this is "irrelevant"? what about the other races in mass effect that clearly use kilotons? this is ME versus the covenant correct? so stop running away from this and make a counter. "

Have you not fathomed what this thread is about?

Why did you quote that codex entry? I've read it tons of times already, and I don't see how it's relevant, as the Alliance codex doesn't cover the Reaper technology beyond that Thanix cannon.

"I am unaware of Mass effect being able to travel in space other than the relays, link please?"

You've played the games, right? The Normandy enters FTL speed to escape the Collectors twice in ME2, and much of the space star cluster-exploration uses FTL-travel, not Relay-travel.

"So the covenant are just going to sit around for days and not do anything? You clearly don't know what you are talking about and ignore anything that puts your "claim" if it can even be called that, to rest."

I was just pointing it out. Perhaps a Reaper neutralizes a Covie cruiser and manages to capture the surviving crew.





  • 08.01.2011 3:04 PM PDT

Grey, the keepers were a major component in opening the gate. Them NOT doing what the Reapers wanted is a hinderance, as it was supposed to be like this.

"Sovereign appears, sends signal."

*Citadel relay activates, bringing all the Reapers in.*

He had to manually dock due to the fact he had to do the work of an entire station of keepers tasks in opening the gate.

EVEN then, we don't know everything Sovereign was doing, or what was required of him at that time. I don't see how Cortana is "So superior" still. I've never read or been hinted she could do many complex tasks all at the same time and not have to slow down.

Edit: What I took was they did everything possible to give the next group a fighting chance. So yeah, controlling the station, reprogramming the keepers... They'd have done everything possible to ensure the next time the citadel relay was tried to be opened, it would be delayed...

[Edited on 08.01.2011 3:13 PM PDT]

  • 08.01.2011 3:11 PM PDT

Posted by: grey101
the depth of your ignorance does not fail to surprise me. obviously the codex was talking hours not weeks. If reach fell in 2 hours and the UNSC is stronger than ME then the battle is going to be short


If I got a dime for each time you called someone ignorant...

Now, like I said - we don't know squat about how long Reapers can fight, but since their mass effect cores are very powerful it's safe to assume that it can vent heat more efficently than primitive ships (also supported by the fact that Reapers have no problem chilling out in dark space which contains the warm-hot intergalactic medium).

[Edited on 08.01.2011 3:20 PM PDT]

  • 08.01.2011 3:16 PM PDT


Posted by: spurkis
Posted by: grey101
the depth of your ignorance does not fail to surprise me. obviously the codex was talking hours not weeks. If reach fell in 2 hours and the UNSC is stronger than ME then the battle is going to be short


If I got a dime for each time you called someone ignorant...

Now, like I said - we don't know squat about how long Reapers can fight, but since their mass effect cores are very powerful it's safe to assume that it can vent heat more efficently than primitive (also supported by the fact that Reapers have no problem chilling out in dark space which contains the warm-hot intergalactic medium)


I'd say their cores are far more powerful then any current Mass Effect ship, especially if a dead reaper can have it's mass effect field running from the Protheian conflict to ME2.

  • 08.01.2011 3:19 PM PDT

List of Reasons Why the Assembly Could Not Have Been Correct or Otherwise was Proven Incorrect by Later Canon Sources Regarding Covenant Firepower.

1) Terminology

a) If you actually take a close look at the way the Assembly Dissects the Covenant's claims of turning the surface of a world into hot glass, you need look no further. The Assembly is taking the Covenant's classic claim on a literal standpoint, as if the Covenant actually have the ability to turn a planet to glass, which they never did. They never once deny their ability to turn the surface of a world to molten slag, but only ever their ability to literally glass it.

b) This is further evidenced by the way the Assembly talks about regional glassing. They say of "glassing": Understandably this action takes considerably less time when applied to open desert. When sand gets superheated, it turns to glass, just like how the Covenant's always exaggerated claim spkoke of entire worlds. They say nothing of burning it to a cinder.

So in this regard, the Assembly are perhaps correct in a sense. People interpreting them are incorrect.

2) Lack of proper evidence

a) At the time this report was written by the AIs, nobody had ever seen a live glassing take place. Now of course, The Assembly's basis is the Covenant's weaponry used in space battles. But by 2526, nobody knew of the existence of the Energy Projector; it had never been used in combat and remained that way until an Assault Carrier laid waste to several UNSC ships with one in the 2552 Battle of Reach (Confirmed by Captain Keyes' reaction "a new weapon?"). So where would the Assembly have gotten its data from? The Covenant's only weapons used at that point (to the knowledge of any living human) were plasma torpedoes and pulse lasers, neither of which are used in a glassing process.

3) Contradictory evidence

a) The canon rules state that later material overrides the old material. Data pad 10 is found on Winter Contingency. Later levels, such as The Long Night of Solace, depict an entire Reach continent already burning to the bedrock as massive mushroom clouds arch into the sky and fire sweeps the land, and the glassing hadn't even started yet. Plus, the massive plasma torpedo detonations on the surface, calculated at several megatons, already cooked miles of surface area in an instant, significantly more powerful then the 1 acre per 15 seconds assumption made in the datapads.

b) The opening cutscene of Reach shows ash-blanketed landscapes, smoke-choked atmosphere, and burned plains as far as the eye can see. A once pristine, snow capped mountain now stands as a charred, rocky testament to the Covenant's power.

c) The multiplayer map Condemned depicts a significantly different scenario. When the UNSC's last remaining forces were still fighting in a hopeless attempt at revenge, half the planet is already glowing in a magmatic blaze of hellish nightmare. You can clearly see the atmosphere itself burning off as this helpless world succumbs to the power of the Covenant. This depiction is entirely canon, as it holds no sway over the map itself; even Factpile admits to this depiction being valid. It is 343i's Fall of Reach, in other words, the truth.

d) re-released, definitive editions of the original novel trilogy, Evolutions vo. I and II, and re-releases of the Return motion comic. None of the above "fixed" any of the "inconsistancies" that would be had 343i found the Assembly's hypothesis to be true, and are considered the overall newest canon.

But as I said above, the Assembly wasn't wrong. The people misinterpreting them were.

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?

1. if you think that is "raging" and you haven't seen "anything like it" you aren't on the forums or the internet much then.

2."More crap talking about the general Citadel race-ship technology in Mass Effect. "

How is that "crap talking"? the thread is about ALL the mass effect races fighting the covenant right? so when i say the weak kiloton weapons aren't going to do anything i don't see how a fact is "crap talking". it is more like you not wanting to accept that ME would lose, which makes this thread pointless.

3. "70% of this list keeps talking about Mass Effect vs. Halo, not Reapers vs. Covies."


Posted by: spurkis

I'm not saying that he Volus fleet would beat the Covenant fleet, but all the fleets in ME COMBINED


So what is going on here? when did you switch the topic out of random? and we don't have any specs on the reapers and from what we do know they would STILL lose.


4. "Why did you quote that codex entry?" because you clearly said that the heat factor only apply's in deep space, which you were wrong about. and i doubt you have read it "hundreds of times".

5."The Normandy enters FTL speed to escape the Collectors twice" yet during the arrival DLC we are clearly told that it destroying the mass relay will slow down the reapers by years.

So that clearly must have been a short jump not a long one since we are assuming the reapers are much much more advanced than everything else/ sarcasm

6. "I was just pointing it out. Perhaps a Reaper neutralizes a Covie cruiser and manages to capture the surviving crew. "

why would they do that if they could just hack it?


And can i get a link or quote to when the discussion was chenged to the reapers and announced?

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