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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

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Posted by: grey101
the depth of your ignorance does not fail to surprise me. obviously the codex was talking hours not weeks. If reach fell in 2 hours and the UNSC is stronger than ME then the battle is going to be short


If I got a dime for each time you called someone ignorant...

Now, like I said - we don't know squat about how long Reapers can fight, but since their mass effect cores are very powerful it's safe to assume that it can vent heat more efficently than primitive ships (also supported by the fact that Reapers have no problem chilling out in dark space which contains the warm-hot intergalactic medium).


You do understand the cores heat up by fighting right? ofcourse sitting in the middle of dark space, lights out, doing nothing is going to make alot of heat.

*claps*

  • 08.01.2011 3:23 PM PDT

A: Roberto, the supercruiser's weapon was a different form of an energy projector, more like a sniper beam. This was because it was fired at extremely long ranges.

B: Grey, I'm fairly sure in the Arrival DLC, they say it'll put off the invasion by a month or more, not years.

  • 08.01.2011 3:25 PM PDT
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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

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B: Grey, I'm fairly sure in the Arrival DLC, they say it'll put off the invasion by a month or more, not years.


my bad then

  • 08.01.2011 3:28 PM PDT


Posted by: grey101

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron


B: Grey, I'm fairly sure in the Arrival DLC, they say it'll put off the invasion by a month or more, not years.


my bad then


Yeah, the line is like "Instead of the Reapers being at Earth or another major area in two days, they'll be there in a month due to travel time to the next relay."

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Well, folks.

Let me explain to you something. I do fact, love Mass effect and Halo. But I can admit that Halo (Covenant) will destroy ANY ME ships.

Know why? Their kinetic barriers aren't designed to stop 5,000c plasma weapons, because of kinetic barrier's inability to block the thermal based weapons and energy based weapons as well. So a shot of plasma torpedoes from any covenant ship will melt through the kinetic barrier easily.

Also, I recall that most of ME ships's maximum yield was barely 38 kilotons. Covenant sports firepower of gigatons in plasma torpedoes and considerably more powerful with energy projector (it should be called as energetic particle beam), that can slice up any ships in long range.


Also, ME's largest ship is dreadnought, measured in between 800 meters to 1,400 meters (not sure) is baby compared to 5km long assault carriers and 27km long supercarriers.

And notice this, ME ships cannot fight battles very long, because due to heat generated from mass driver. That is large disadvantage for ME.

Also, ME's FTL is slow. Covenant's FTL is much faster, it can go 912 light years per day, calculating to be 38 light years per hour. Also, covenant ships have noticeable G acceleration speeds as well.

EDIT: This is short summary. I'll post a very long post with details later.



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  • 08.01.2011 3:34 PM PDT

1. I've seen quite some rage in my time, but I expected this forum to have a more civilized tone than the kids on the Reach forum. I understand that you're a very dangerious person who has seen many bad things on the internet and so on.

2. No, it's about Reapers vs. Covies.

"In Mass Effect 3 it is likely that we're going to defeat the Reapers, and the Covenant has superior tech to the Mass Effect universe, sooooooo....."

That was what started this silly debate. I was just pointing out to this guy that IN MY OPINION, the combined forces of each potentially friendly faction in Mass Effect (Alliance, turian, asari, salarian, quarian, geth, krogan, rachni etc.) would win against the Covenant. The rest of my post was on topic and defending the Reapers.

4. But it's not really relevant when the location of this battle isn't specified. Maybe I misread the codex entry, but didn't it say that ships could fight significantly longer when they were far away from stars and other celestial bodies?

5. What do you mean?

6. Sure they could hack it, but maybe some indoctrinated crew members would prove useful too.

  • 08.01.2011 3:36 PM PDT

Posted by: grey101



You do understand the cores heat up by fighting right? ofcourse sitting in the middle of dark space, lights out, doing nothing is going to make alot of heat.

*claps*


The Reapers are sitting in the middle of a gas called WHIM whose temperature is around 10 million kelvin. They must either have mass effect cores that are seriously effective at venting heat, or have armor powerful enough to make plasma look like apple juice.

  • 08.01.2011 3:42 PM PDT

Rag, care to post the sources for the Covenant slipspace speed, as well as the weapon yields?

I'm curious where you got them.

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The Covie slipspace velocity has been calculated based on the slipspace travel of Blue Team from Earth to Onyx in a covie destroyer,they traveled like 38 light years in less then an hour.

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

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Rag, care to post the sources for the Covenant slipspace speed.

I'm curious where you got them.


i know for a fact that was in the encyclopedia, i think the yields where also if not you can calculate them

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

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Posted by: grey101



You do understand the cores heat up by fighting right? ofcourse sitting in the middle of dark space, lights out, doing nothing is going to make alot of heat.

*claps*


The Reapers are sitting in the middle of a gas called WHIM whose temperature is around 10 million kelvin. They must either have mass effect cores that are seriously effective at venting heat, or have armor powerful enough to make plasma look like apple juice.



Link?....

  • 08.01.2011 3:50 PM PDT

Lazy bastard.

Ignore the two first paragraphs.

[Edited on 08.01.2011 3:56 PM PDT]

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

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Posted by: spurkis
Lazy bastard.

Ignore the two first paragraphs.


I did look


and again you are just speculating, there is no official source stating that.

[Edited on 08.01.2011 3:59 PM PDT]

  • 08.01.2011 3:59 PM PDT
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Some can come away from reading "War and Peace" thinking it a simple adventure story, while others can read the ingredients on a gum wrapper and unlock the secrets of the universe.

I've always been annoyed by these threads. Sci-fi "facts" are completely determined by the imagination of the author. I could write a book about an Alien Race with weapons capable of inflicting teratons of force, and that would crush the Covenant and Reapers.

Point is these are two totally separate universes with no relation to each other whatsoever, and are completely independent when it comes to tech "facts". So just enjoy them separately and chillax.

  • 08.01.2011 4:02 PM PDT

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Posted by: spurkis
Lazy bastard.

Ignore the two first paragraphs.


Looked at the graph, looked at the links in it.


All of it is speculation.

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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Rag, care to post the sources for the Covenant slipspace speed, as well as the weapon yields?

I'm curious where you got them.


Firepower yield was calculated in the First strike where Ascendant Justice fired its plasma torpedo at 3km Asteroid, it MELTED through the asteroid in arc and caused massive uneven internal heat inside of asteroid, fragmenting it. (First Strike, page 308, re print issue)

All right, let's put this way:

First strike said asteroid is 3km, all right? Okay, convert that 3km to 3,000 meters in diameter.

And let's say that most of asteroid usually have three types of rocks:

Hard Granite, Nickel-Iron and Ice.

All right, here's calc's result for this:

Hard Granite: Melt energy: 20.8 gigatons
Nickel-Iron: Melt energy: 33.9 gigatons
Ice: Melt energy: 1.8 gigatons

Also in other part in First Strike, it proves that Covenant did indeed had firepower of Gt since it described:

(Fall of Reach, page 22-23, re print issue)



"The Chief watched for a hour and didn't move a muscle. The planet's lakes, rivers, and oceans vaporized. By tomorrow, the atmosphere would be boiled away too. Fields and forests were glassy smooth and glowing red-hot in patches.


and for slip space travel, it was stated in the Ghosts of Onyx, I think.

And, it was calculated on slip space traveling as well. It described Blue Team stole a covenant destroyer and it traveled in 38 light years per hour, calculating to be 912 light years PER DAY. (Ghosts of Onyx, page 221)

[Edited on 08.01.2011 5:03 PM PDT]

  • 08.01.2011 4:04 PM PDT

Posted by: grey101

Posted by: spurkis
Lazy bastard.

Ignore the two first paragraphs.


I did look


and again you are just speculating, there is no official source stating that.


Jesus christ, atleast you succeed in being annoying. We know that the Reapers are located in the empty space between galaxies, and then we have real-world science on what we can find in these spaces.

  • 08.01.2011 4:10 PM PDT

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Posted by: spurkis
and then we have real-world science on what we can find in these spaces.


Um.

No, we have speculation.

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

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Posted by: grey101

Posted by: spurkis
Lazy bastard.

Ignore the two first paragraphs.


I did look


and again you are just speculating, there is no official source stating that.


Jesus christ, atleast you succeed in being annoying. We know that the Reapers are located in the empty space between galaxies, and then we have real-world science on what we can find in these spaces.


real world science does not equal video game science.

you have yet to post anything credible, hell the first link you even gave was from wikipedia which says something.

And this would mean the same for the ark, covenant ships, unsc ships since they are all outside of the galaxy at the end of halo 3.

  • 08.01.2011 4:14 PM PDT

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Posted by: spurkis
and then we have real-world science on what we can find in these spaces.


Um.

No, we have speculation.


Did you read this?

http://www.space.com/8386-huge-chunk-universe-missing-matter. html

  • 08.01.2011 4:19 PM PDT


Posted by: grey101
real world science does not equal video game science.

you have yet to post anything credible, hell the first link you even gave was from wikipedia which says something.

And this would mean the same for the ark, covenant ships, unsc ships since they are all outside of the galaxy at the end of halo 3.


You'd think the writers behind Halo and Mass Effect would care to produce truckloads of pseudo-science if they didn't care about real science?

Wasn't The Ark located just outside the outer rim?

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Firepower yield was calculated in the First strike where Ascendant Justice fired its plasma torpedo at 3km Asteroid.

All right, let's put this way:

First strike said asteroid is 3km, all right? Okay, convert that 3km to 3,000 meters in diameter.

And let's say that most of asteroid usually have three types of rocks:

Hard Granite, Nickel-Iron and Ice.

All right, here's calc's result for this:

Hard Granite: Vaporization energy: 103.8 gigatons
Nickel-Iron: Vaporization energy: 202.1 gigatons
Ice: Vaporization energy: 8.6 gigatons


Except that the asteroid was not vaporized, but had a hole melted through it and fractured from uneven internal heating. It was also described as 3 kilometers long, which suggests an irregular shape.

[Edited on 08.01.2011 4:27 PM PDT]

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?


Posted by: spurkis

Posted by: grey101
real world science does not equal video game science.

you have yet to post anything credible, hell the first link you even gave was from wikipedia which says something.

And this would mean the same for the ark, covenant ships, unsc ships since they are all outside of the galaxy at the end of halo 3.


You'd think the writers behind Halo and Mass Effect would care to produce truckloads of pseudo-science if they didn't care about real science?

Wasn't The Ark located just outside the outer rim?


you do understand that if every little thing was "correct" then there wouldn't be FTL and numerous other sc-fi things?

how about you stop wasting time linking speculation and start linking legitimate support.

  • 08.01.2011 4:28 PM PDT

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Posted by: spurkis
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Posted by: spurkis
and then we have real-world science on what we can find in these spaces.


Um.

No, we have speculation.


Did you read this?

http://www.space.com/8386-huge-chunk-universe-missing-matter. html


They can't admit that they don't understand something, so they make up these explanations that seem sound, but have no real basis.

Based on your posts, I can not convince you otherwise. Have a good day, sir.

  • 08.01.2011 4:31 PM PDT

grey101

What are you talking about? I'm just saying that most serious sci-fi writers keep certain laws in mind when they're writing.

You're right, I should stop wasting my time on this pointless debate. Meanwhile, you should get your social antennaes straightened out. For the entire time of this pointless discussion, you've had the same pretentious and hostile tone, many posts attempting sarcasm and pointless name-calling - JUST because you can't accept that everyone can't understand why you view things the way you do. You didn't even care to answer my question about The Ark, but it doesn't matter.

I'm out, not because you've convinced me, but because you're annoying to discuss with.

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