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Posted by: opogjijijp
Firepower yield was calculated in the First strike where Ascendant Justice fired its plasma torpedo at 3km Asteroid.

All right, let's put this way:

First strike said asteroid is 3km, all right? Okay, convert that 3km to 3,000 meters in diameter.

And let's say that most of asteroid usually have three types of rocks:

Hard Granite, Nickel-Iron and Ice.

All right, here's calc's result for this:

Hard Granite: Vaporization energy: 103.8 gigatons
Nickel-Iron: Vaporization energy: 202.1 gigatons
Ice: Vaporization energy: 8.6 gigatons


Except that the asteroid was not vaporized, but had a hole melted through it and fractured from uneven internal heating. It was also described as 3 kilometers long, which suggests an irregular shape.


I saw my error and I edited my post. Read it again.

  • 08.01.2011 5:04 PM PDT

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I am the last of the primes.

Didn't some people say the forerunners would get owned by the reapers? lolololololololololol, oh god they make jokes.

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Posted by: ferrrari
Didn't some people say the forerunners would get owned by the reapers? lolololololololololol, oh god they make jokes.


EDIT: I misread your post, my bad.

Its funny that they didn't read cryptum, therefore assume that Reapers will own forerunners! LOL. I would laugh at them so hard...

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  • 08.01.2011 5:12 PM PDT

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Posted by: ROBERTO jh
1) Terminology

a) If you actually take a close look at the way the Assembly Dissects the Covenant's claims of turning the surface of a world into hot glass, you need look no further. The Assembly is taking the Covenant's classic claim on a literal standpoint, as if the Covenant actually have the ability to turn a planet to glass, which they never did. They never once deny their ability to turn the surface of a world to molten slag, but only ever their ability to literally glass it.

Semantics?

It is the same thing. In the presence of extremely high temperatures, like those of a plasma, the silica in top soil is converted to this, which can resemble dark stained glass. Reducing the entire surface to molten slag by bombarding it with high energy plasma would result in that mineral forming. "Glassing" and reducing the entire surface to molten slag are the same thing here. I also find it surprising that you missed out the part near the start of Data Pad 10 where the AI equate the two...

Posted by: ROBERTO jh
b) This is further evidenced by the way the Assembly talks about regional glassing. They say of "glassing": Understandably this action takes considerably less time when applied to open desert. When sand gets superheated, it turns to glass, just like how the Covenant's always exaggerated claim spkoke of entire worlds. They say nothing of burning it to a cinder.

What is the logical connection between this and the previous paragraph? I don't see it. That quote was part of their evaluation of how long it would take on average to slag a planet. They said just after that (Or before it) that it would also take considerably longer to get through deep oceans. If you have suddenly changed your stance to "They burn the planet" rather than "They glass the planet" (Which also includes reducing the crust to a molten state) then I don't wee what you are -blam!-ing about.

Posted by: ROBERTO jh
2) Lack of proper evidence

a) At the time this report was written by the AIs, nobody had ever seen a live glassing take place.

Can you prove this please? It has been possible for spy satellites and even weather satellites to witness "glassing", so I see no reason why such a method could not have been used to observe the glassing of Harvest in 2525 or the glassing of Biko in 2526. (Which occurs before the Data Pad AI make Data Pad 10's content I will add) So it is obvious that the Data Pad AI had opportunity to observe a live glassing. (There is also the Ambiguous fates of the colonies of the Alpha Aurigae system as well)

Posted by: ROBERTO jh
Now of course, The Assembly's basis is the Covenant's weaponry used in space battles. But by 2526, nobody knew of the existence of the Energy Projector; it had never been used in combat and remained that way until an Assault Carrier laid waste to several UNSC ships with one in the 2552 Battle of Reach (Confirmed by Captain Keyes' reaction "a new weapon?"). So where would the Assembly have gotten its data from? The Covenant's only weapons used at that point (to the knowledge of any living human) were plasma torpedoes and pulse lasers, neither of which are used in a glassing process.

Wrong as per usual. Plasma torpedoes were used to glass sections of Reach. In First Strike where Fred observes the 100 metre wide plasma torpedo speed overhead and blitz the horizon. Over Jericho VII, it was plasma fired from the ships lateral lines that glassed that planet. Lateral lines is where the plasma torpedo cannons are, and it is also from these lateral lines that plasma weaponry used in ship to ship combat comes from.

The AI also say Hard Facts. It is obvious that Bungie wishes to convey the idea that there is very little doubt about this with such a phrase.

Posted by: ROBERTO jh
3) Contradictory evidence

a) The canon rules state that later material overrides the old material. Data pad 10 is found on Winter Contingency. Later levels, such as The Long Night of Solace, depict an entire Reach continent already burning to the bedrock as massive mushroom clouds arch into the sky and fire sweeps the land, and the glassing hadn't even started yet.

Evidence or get out. All we see are spots of light coming from the surface. There is no way that you can make such inferences from that. I already linked you an image of Reach post glassing in another thread and it looks like you selectively dismissed it. The image does not show a planet that looks like it had its surface reduced to molten slag.

Posted by: ROBERTO jh
Plus, the massive plasma torpedo detonations on the surface, calculated at several megatons, already cooked miles of surface area in an instant, significantly more powerful then the 1 acre per 15 seconds assumption made in the datapads.

Do you have any evidence for any of this? Cooked the entire area in an instant? Any images for this, or videos showing us the area being cooked in "an instant"?

Can I see your calculations on how you arrived at the conclusion that the blast was "several megatons"?

I tell you what. Do you know what happens when charged particles hit the atmosphere? Aurorua. See all the colours around the explosion?

Finally, I believe you just stumbled into the Data Pad AI's assessment of "Inability to grasp even simple phenomena when applied on a planetary scale" and "Absence of a solid methodological foundation". Your entire position is essentially "OMG big explosions!!!! Must mean glassed!!"

Posted by: ROBERTO jh
b) The opening cutscene of Reach shows ash-blanketed landscapes, smoke-choked atmosphere, and burned plains as far as the eye can see. A once pristine, snow capped mountain now stands as a charred, rocky testament to the Covenant's power.

Still has an atmosphere. Still has oceans. The surface is still dirt, not mineroid. In fact it fits with Fred's description of mass forest fires when he is flying over Reach in a Banshee at the start of First Strike.

Posted by: ROBERTO jh
c) The multiplayer map Condemned depicts a significantly different scenario. When the UNSC's last remaining forces were still fighting in a hopeless attempt at revenge, half the planet is already glowing in a magmatic blaze of hellish nightmare. You can clearly see the atmosphere itself burning off as this helpless world succumbs to the power of the Covenant. This depiction is entirely canon, as it holds no sway over the map itself; even Factpile admits to this depiction being valid. It is 343i's Fall of Reach, in other words, the truth.

No it is not. It is Certain Affinity's, and as such is artistic license. I guess you must also accept that Halsey is a teenager as depicted by Halo Legends then, or is that yet again another ROBERTO double standard?

Edit: And Factpile? What the -blam!- have they got to do with anything? Are they in any sort of position to dictate what is and what is not canon?

Posted by: ROBERTO jh
d) re-released, definitive editions of the original novel trilogy, Evolutions vo. I and II, and re-releases of the Return motion comic. None of the above "fixed" any of the "inconsistancies" that would be had 343i found the Assembly's hypothesis to be true, and are considered the overall newest canon.

You have already been shown the ret-con information from First Strike twice now. I will not type it out a THIRD TIME. The re-releases support this ret-con. Evolutions I and II are EXACTLY the same as the original with the exception of two completely irrelevant stories being added and some new cover art. As such the information in The Return, which should be held as a more canonically accurate depiction than One's motion comics, (As it is the source material, developed directly by 343) STILL supports the retcon. It was the source that essentially founded the bedrock of this whole ret-con.

This is the third time that your utterly crap arguments have been dismantled as false, and it will be the last. You come off as nothing but intellectually dishonest, misconstruing facts in the face of bare evidence. And yes, I know that the only reason you don't like the ret-con in the Covenant's glassing ability is because you can no longer use it in silly versus threads.

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Posted by: spurkis
grey101

What are you talking about? I'm just saying that most serious sci-fi writers keep certain laws in mind when they're writing.

You're right, I should stop wasting my time on this pointless debate. Meanwhile, you should get your social antennaes straightened out. For the entire time of this pointless discussion, you've had the same pretentious and hostile tone, many posts attempting sarcasm and pointless name-calling - JUST because you can't accept that everyone can't understand why you view things the way you do. You didn't even care to answer my question about The Ark, but it doesn't matter.

I'm out, not because you've convinced me, but because you're annoying to discuss with.



again you clearly don't know what examples are.


The ark was beyound the rim not on the rim, funny how you called me a lazy bastard (OMG name calling) yet you couldn't even look that fact up yourself.


I couldn't care less about you understanding, it is the fact you clearly and publicly avoided information that went against what you wanted to here. So next time try understanding the strengths and weaknesses about your side,was to counter them, and have links ready other than wikipedia (shutters).

  • 08.01.2011 7:46 PM PDT


Posted by: LordOfBlah51
The Reapers thought it was a good idea to [SPOILERS] create a giant Human Reaper. Okay, what? Seriously? What would a giant human do against a fleet of allied ships across the galaxy? It couldn't even kill Shepard and his squad.


To be completely fair, it was far from done, and very likely could still come to fruition in ME 3, they are attacking earth first after all.

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?


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Posted by: LordOfBlah51
The Reapers thought it was a good idea to [SPOILERS] create a giant Human Reaper. Okay, what? Seriously? What would a giant human do against a fleet of allied ships across the galaxy? It couldn't even kill Shepard and his squad.


To be completely fair, it was far from done, and very likely could still come to fruition in ME 3, they are attacking earth first after all.


it is the idea that (again) these all powerful reapers have been beaten by inferior weapons.

  • 08.01.2011 9:55 PM PDT


Posted by: grey101

Posted by: JumpedDeviation

Posted by: LordOfBlah51
The Reapers thought it was a good idea to [SPOILERS] create a giant Human Reaper. Okay, what? Seriously? What would a giant human do against a fleet of allied ships across the galaxy? It couldn't even kill Shepard and his squad.


To be completely fair, it was far from done, and very likely could still come to fruition in ME 3, they are attacking earth first after all.


it is the idea that (again) these all powerful reapers have been beaten by inferior weapons.


To be honest, when you kill the half-done human reaper, it's by hitting the currently unshielded eyes.

And I used only the black widow sniper and cain, both of which are heavy.

Though, the idea is true to the precursors as well eh? They got beaten by an 'inferior' race.

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

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Posted by: grey101

Posted by: JumpedDeviation

Posted by: LordOfBlah51
The Reapers thought it was a good idea to [SPOILERS] create a giant Human Reaper. Okay, what? Seriously? What would a giant human do against a fleet of allied ships across the galaxy? It couldn't even kill Shepard and his squad.


To be completely fair, it was far from done, and very likely could still come to fruition in ME 3, they are attacking earth first after all.


it is the idea that (again) these all powerful reapers have been beaten by inferior weapons.


To be honest, when you kill the half-done human reaper, it's by hitting the currently unshielded eyes.

And I used only the black widow sniper and cain, both of which are heavy.

Though, the idea is true to the precursors as well eh? They got beaten by an 'inferior' race.


*Sigh*

1. Greg implied the precursor was lying

2. We don't know that really happened, unlike the visual accounts he have for mass effect

3.it shouldn't be hard for a forerunner to pick up a precursor gun and use it.


Occam's Razor Goddamn

  • 08.01.2011 10:50 PM PDT

Lol im just gunna say the Covenant would win and leave it at that

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Posted by: Skylit Terror
Lol im just gunna say the Covenant would win and leave it at that


thank you

  • 08.02.2011 12:00 AM PDT


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Posted by: Skylit Terror
Lol im just gunna say the Covenant would win and leave it at that


thank you
Heresy!

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Data pad 14 mentions that it would take 100-300 years to terraform 4 planets burned by the covenant in order for them to be considered for any real use again. That is 25-75 years to terraform each planet. To put this in perspective, the UNSC was able to terraform hundreds of planets in 500 years.

Clearly the AI's are being ultra literal. The Covenant don't actually turn the surface to a molton state, they severly burn large portions of the planets, majorly wound the atmosphere and hydrosphere, and make the planet near unhospitable to complex lifeforms for years.

Regardless, The Reapers aren't used to taking on enemies that aren't already firmly grasped by the balls. The Reapers set up the ME civilizations for failure by making their foundations based on technology placed by the Reapers themselves to create a deadly galaxy-wide trap.

  • 09.04.2011 4:56 PM PDT

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Posted by: grey101

Posted by: Skylit Terror
Lol im just gunna say the Covenant would win and leave it at that


thank you
Heresy!

why have you necro bumped this?

  • 09.04.2011 5:17 PM PDT

Are you people really that dense? The Forerunners died out 100,000 years ago. The Reapers have perfected genocide over the course of eons.

The Reapers would decimate the Forerunners ten times over, common sense says so.

  • 09.06.2011 9:36 PM PDT

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My vote goes to the Covenant.

The Flood > Forrunners, the Reapers and Covenant all together.

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  • 09.06.2011 10:04 PM PDT

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Posted by: ThePredkiller2
Are you people really that dense? The Forerunners died out 100,000 years ago. The Reapers have perfected genocide over the course of eons.

The Reapers would decimate the Forerunners ten times over, common sense says so.

The forerunners are still alive...

No they wouldn't... The forerunner's ecumene spans over three million fertile worlds and their technology is way superior. Just get a fortress-class to fight eh enitre war! Maybe even a planet-killer.

  • 09.06.2011 10:42 PM PDT


Posted by: ThePredkiller2
Are you people really that dense? The Forerunners died out 100,000 years ago. The Reapers have perfected genocide over the course of eons.

The Reapers would decimate the Forerunners ten times over, common sense says so.


Regarding that last sentence, are you really that stupid? This thread contains many things that prove the covenant to be better than the reapers. what can the reapers do against the forerunners hahah?!

  • 09.07.2011 4:12 AM PDT

The Reapers would destroy the Covenant in no time at all.

Resoning? Soverign caused so much stress and hassel to the whole of the allied species when he attacked the Citidel. He plowed through the Citidel home fleet and the only reason he got killed is because he was being attack by all of the Alliance fleet at one point. All that fire focusing on him was bound to take him out. Now if it took that much of a beating and was only a single ship then I'm sure a fleet that can darken the sky of every planet could take on the Covenant.

  • 09.07.2011 5:10 AM PDT
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Posted by: Surperion93
The Reapers would destroy the Covenant in no time at all.

Resoning? Soverign caused so much stress and hassel to the whole of the allied species when he attacked the Citidel. He plowed through the Citidel home fleet and the only reason he got killed is because he was being attack by all of the Alliance fleet at one point. All that fire focusing on him was bound to take him out. Now if it took that much of a beating and was only a single ship then I'm sure a fleet that can darken the sky of every planet could take on the Covenant.


You aren't really smart huh?

So because a single Reaper beat a fleet inferior to the UNSC suddenly means they can do the same with the covies?Here is a hint for you:
Covenant Fleet =/= Citadel fleet

The covenant fleet have energy projectors and pulse lasers which would simply bybass kinetic barriers,that's all i need to say.It doesn't matters how much firepower that barrier could take cuz covie weapons will just bypass it and burn the Reaper behind it.

Your last sentence is a hyperbole,just take a good look at ME3 and you see the opposite of it.

  • 09.07.2011 5:21 AM PDT


You aren't really smart huh?

So because a single Reaper beat a fleet inferior to the UNSC suddenly means they can do the same with the covies?Here is a hint for you:
Covenant Fleet =/= Citadel fleet

The covenant fleet have energy projectors and pulse lasers which would simply bybass kinetic barriers,that's all i need to say.It doesn't matters how much firepower that barrier could take cuz covie weapons will just bypass it and burn the Reaper behind it.

Your last sentence is a hyperbole,just take a good look at ME3 and you see the opposite of it.


I wasn't aware the Citidel fleet was inferior to the UNSC? From what I saw it looked pretty powerful. How do you even know that it is inferior?

[Edited on 09.07.2011 5:37 AM PDT]

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reapers vs covenant?
the kinetic barriers from ME are said to deflect any projectiles coming at them, this means bullets and MAC shots, but they can't deflect heat, toxins or radiation. (ME wiki)
covenant shields don't deflect anything, they block it, and once they take enough punishment from hits they will collapse. (halo trilogy, heroic as a guideline)
forerunner kinetic shields also deflect projectiles but not heat, ect like in ME, plasma cuts through and can take out a sentinel in a few shots (halo trilogy, heroic)

sovereign (and thus other reapers) has a spinal mounted cannon, capable of taking out the shields and the ship it covers in a single shot (ME wiki, ME cutscenes)
the shielding used on the ME homefleet is more advanced (thanks to the reapers/protheans/whatever) in my opinion than covenant shielding (which is a dumbed down version of forerunner shielding, forerunner shield=ME shield)
this means that if a reaper can take out an ME ship in a single shot, I'm sure they could take out a CCS in a single shot too, due to the larger size of a CSO (28.9km long) it may take 2 shots to completely destroy.

I'm presuming reaper shielding is more durable than ME shielding because firstly sovereign is seen ramming through the homefleet like nothing, and because they designed the tech of the mass relays, so would use better shields themselves to ensure victory.
I'd say that it would take ALOT of constant covvie ship fire on a single reaper to take out it's shields and more to cut through the reaper-alloy hull (using forerunner alloy as an example)

the 'destiny ascension' from the ME homefleet is the largest ship they ever made, it's said to have as much firepower as the rest of the fleet, yet sovereign cut through it like butter. (ME wiki, cutscenes)

comparing the destiny ascension to a CSO class covenant ship.
there are far more CSO's than the destiny ascension, yet for the sake of the argument, I'm going to say a CSO = destiny ascension (halopedian, CSO's have a ridiculous amount of firepower)

I'll admit sovereign alone against the fleet of particular justice (314 ships minimum) could be outgunned.
314 ships all openning fire on a single reaper could likely knock out it's shields in a few minutes and burn away enough of the hull to either cripple or destroy the reaper.
but a reaper could do ALOT of damage to the fleet, with speed and power like sovereign, each shot taking out a ship, able to dodge shots and ram through ships, it could go either way, but the reaper would most likely be destroyed.

the size of the covenant homefleet was easily 100's of thousands, a single reaper would be utterly destroyed by those numbers, but the whole reaper fleet vs the entire covenant armada, I'd vote for reapers every time
"our numbers will darken the sky of EVERY world"
and at least 300 reapers were seen coming out of dark space in ME2

don't even get me started on indoctrination! the covenant are so weak-minded they could be indoctrinated easily...

(everything was referenced here from legitimate sources, the accepted wikis and in game experience / cutscenes

  • 09.07.2011 7:00 AM PDT
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"Time was your ally human. But now it has abandoned you. The Forerunners....have returned. And this tomb... is now yours". - The Didact

the kinetic barriers from ME are said to deflect any projectiles coming at them, this means bullets and MAC shots, but they can't deflect heat, toxins or radiation. (ME wiki)

Which is one of the reasons why the Reapers would lose badly in this match.You just reinforced our argument ,the Covenant use energy projectors,torpedos,lasers,...all of them will simply bypass the barriers of the Reapers which in turn will destroy the Reaper.

covenant shields don't deflect anything, they block it, and once they take enough punishment from hits they will collapse. (halo trilogy, heroic as a guideline)

Every shield would die out when taking to much damage or when it faces huge power more then it can handle(ex: Nova Bomb)


forerunner kinetic shields also deflect projectiles but not heat, ect like in ME, plasma cuts through and can take out a sentinel in a few shots (halo trilogy, heroic)

First of all where did you got the BS from that Forerunner shields are called "kinetic shields"? Forerunners use hard light as a form of defense(at least in the case of the rings) which can deflect kinetic weapons,plasma,...


Those sentinels you mentioned are the most basic countermeasures the 4runners used against the Flood.They were only used in maintaining Flood research facilities,their armament is enough to deal with low level infection danger like infection forms. Their shields can block plasma,it's just that they have weak shields. And again i have to remind you that these basic sentinels pale in comparision with Onyx sentinels,war sphinxes and other Forerunner units.

sovereign (and thus other reapers) has a spinal mounted cannon, capable of taking out the shields and the ship it covers in a single shot (ME wiki, ME cutscenes)
the shielding used on the ME homefleet is more advanced (thanks to the reapers/protheans/whatever) in my opinion than covenant shielding (which is a dumbed down version of forerunner shielding, forerunner shield=ME shield)
this means that if a reaper can take out an ME ship in a single shot, I'm sure they could take out a CCS in a single shot too, due to the larger size of a CSO (28.9km long) it may take 2 shots to completely destroy.


ME ship shield strenght =/= Covie shield strenght

ME ships can only take what?kiloton damage to low megaton for their strongest ships. And some Covie ships survived 30 megaton mini nukes in ships ,not even counting the fact that those ships were damaged before by sentinel attacks.

ME ship shield is in no way more adanced then Halo shields.
Some reasons:

-They only offer protection to kinetic weapons,while shields from any Halo faction protect the vessel against any attack.

-Both Covie and Forerunner shields can take more damage.

Saying that ME shields are on par of the Forerunners is the perfect example of how low your knowledge is for Halo.

Any Covenant ship could one shot any Reaper,overwhelming evidence had been posted already in this thread.

I'm presuming reaper shielding is more durable than ME shielding because firstly sovereign is seen ramming through the homefleet like nothing, and because they designed the tech of the mass relays, so would use better shields themselves to ensure victory.
I'd say that it would take ALOT of constant covvie ship fire on a single reaper to take out it's shields and more to cut through the reaper-alloy hull (using forerunner alloy as an example)


Your entire argument here is nullified because it's built off:
-Claim that Reaper shields are above Covie level
-Reaper kinetic barriers can somehow suddenly block energy based weapons

All these claims were proven to be false,in other words you argument is dead.

The rest of your post is built in the same way.

So for the last time. Thx to the huge weakness of kinetic barriers,the Covenant won't find any problem at destroying Reaper ships with ease. It's just as if fighting the UNSC ships.
Covenant plasma torpedo's have a range of 9+ light seconds(fall of reach),the covies just have to fight at this range without even worrying that Reapers would hit 'em unless Reaper weapons have that kind of range.

The Covies can also send in thousands of starfighters to bombard the Reapers with plasma charges.

Sooo teh Reapers will soon scratch their hands figuring out if they would retreat or fight to the death after their see how their vessels offer no protection against any Covie weapon ,God help the Reapers if the Covenant send High Charity with it's escort into battle.

  • 09.07.2011 7:30 AM PDT


Posted by: hotshot revan II
the kinetic barriers from ME are said to deflect any projectiles coming at them, this means bullets and MAC shots, but they can't deflect heat, toxins or radiation. (ME wiki)

Which is one of the reasons why the Reapers would lose badly in this match.You just reinforced our argument ,the Covenant use energy projectors,torpedos,lasers,...all of them will simply bypass the barriers of the Reapers which in turn will destroy the Reaper.


I was under the impression that a Kinetic barrier in ME blocks anything physical. Doesn't that mean the Plasma projectile will hit the shiled? Sure the heat and radation caused by the plasma shot will spill past the kinetic barrier but I don't think the physical projectile will pass the barrier but maybe a purely heat based weapon like a lazer might pass through the barrier.

Or atleast that is what I have learned from this discussion and the evidence given.

[Edited on 09.07.2011 7:55 AM PDT]

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Posted by: hotshot revan II
the kinetic barriers from ME are said to deflect any projectiles coming at them, this means bullets and MAC shots, but they can't deflect heat, toxins or radiation. (ME wiki)

Which is one of the reasons why the Reapers would lose badly in this match.You just reinforced our argument ,the Covenant use energy projectors,torpedos,lasers,...all of them will simply bypass the barriers of the Reapers which in turn will destroy the Reaper.


I was under the impression that a Kinetic barrier in ME blocks anything physical. Doesn't that mean the Plasma projectile will hit the shiled? Sure the heat and radation caused by the plasma shot will spill past the kinetic barrier but I don't think the physical projectile will pass the barrier but maybe a purely heat based weapon like a lazer might pass through the barrier.

Or atleast that is what I have learned from this discussion and the evidence given.


Yes,you are right.

  • 09.07.2011 7:55 AM PDT