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reapers simply AREN'T outmatched, anyone who's played ME1 can see how easily sovereign cut through everything, it took no effort to ram through an entire alliance fleet, and apparently a simple covenant torpedo can obliterate a reaper?

  • 09.07.2011 10:47 AM PDT

The mass driver at the end of Reach did not destroy the CSS class battlecruiser. Damaged/disabled? Yeah.

  • 09.07.2011 10:51 AM PDT
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it put it out of action, good enough, plus it was a VERY small MAC

  • 09.07.2011 10:53 AM PDT


Posted by: hotshot revan II

Posted by: Surperion93
I don't get this discussion? How can a single canon on the surface of Reach destroy a ship with ease but in space a huge MAC canon down the spine of Sovereign couldn't do anything? I'm sure you guys are making refrences and using numbers but just tell me how you took out a ship with ease in Halo:Reach but for some reason it's impossible when a Reaper attempts it?
Plus we're all talking Ship V Ship combat?

Reapers are far superior to the UNSC so how the UNSC won against the Covenant? Because they got Spartans helping? What makes the UNSC better against the Covenant then a Reaper? The UNSC got pounded almost all the time...one Covie civil war later the UNSC are on their way to winning?

You guys do know Sovereign could probably start a civil war if he wanted to, he can convince organics to do anything given they spend enough time around him.


The portion around the charging glassing beam was unshieled for that moment,that's why.

In space it will be nigh impossible because sections around weapons will only stay unshielded for a sec.

The UNSC weren't even winning during the civil war.Earths defenses were wiped out during the civil war.The separtist fleets were the ones that defeated Truths fleets.

That last sentence is a despair attempt to give the Reapers an advantage because you know they are outmatched in this fight.


Don't dismiss an ability of the Reapers because you think I'm doing out of despairation. It's an ability that they probably know how to use effectively so it should also be taken into account. If they could gain control of a main leader figure they could probably do some damage from the inside. Dismissing an ability as unique as that is foolish.

[Edited on 09.07.2011 10:54 AM PDT]

  • 09.07.2011 10:53 AM PDT


Posted by: jakemaidment
reapers simply AREN'T outmatched, anyone who's played ME1 can see how easily sovereign cut through everything, it took no effort to ram through an entire alliance fleet, and apparently a simple covenant torpedo can obliterate a reaper?


A "simple covenant torpedo" doesn't work the same as a typical torpedo from the UNSC or mass effect ships.

While we don't know HOW exactly Reaper shields work, we just know they are either more advanced, or more powerful shields compared to other ME ships. That and the fleet at the Citadel was distracted with the giant Geth fleet that tagged along.

edit: The reaper ability to indoctrinate people takes a good while of direct exposure. I doubt you'd have a prophet or UNSC leader sit inside a reaper or directly near a reaper artifact for a long time.

[Edited on 09.07.2011 10:56 AM PDT]

  • 09.07.2011 10:53 AM PDT

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Posted by: jakemaidment
the new trilogy shouldn't be used as an example, the storyline has become too bastardised


lolno

  • 09.07.2011 10:55 AM PDT


Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: jakemaidment
reapers simply AREN'T outmatched, anyone who's played ME1 can see how easily sovereign cut through everything, it took no effort to ram through an entire alliance fleet, and apparently a simple covenant torpedo can obliterate a reaper?


A "simple covenant torpedo" doesn't work the same as a typical torpedo from the UNSC or mass effect ships.

While we don't know HOW exactly Reaper shields work, we just know they are either more advanced, or more powerful shields compared to other ME ships. That and the fleet at the Citadel was distracted with the giant Geth fleet that tagged along.

edit: The reaper ability to indoctrinate people takes a good while of direct exposure. I doubt you'd have a prophet or UNSC leader sit inside a reaper or directly near a reaper artifact for a long time.


So jakemaidment can't pressume forunner shields are Kinetic with no evidence but everyone on this topic can pressume a Reapers shield is Kinetic without evidence?

As for indoctination, I'm well aware of the fact it takes a while but when you have an ability you must know how to use it effectively. I'm just saying none of their abilities should be over looked in this discussion. Their Core that allows them to manipulate mass fields, their beams that shoot molten metals at extremely high speeds and other things that have been over looked.

[Edited on 09.07.2011 11:02 AM PDT]

  • 09.07.2011 11:01 AM PDT

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  • 09.07.2011 11:07 AM PDT
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  • 09.07.2011 11:12 AM PDT
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Whoever said that Reapers > Forerunners > Covenant > UNSC > Alliance is obviously idiot or doesn't know what they are talking about.

Correct sequence is:

Forerunners > Covenant > Reapers > UNSC/Alliance

It's time to settle down and accept that Covenant beats the Reapers easily.

  • 09.07.2011 11:16 AM PDT

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This thread is an embarrassing quagmire of psuedophysics and antiscience.

  • 09.07.2011 11:25 AM PDT

We do not know enough about the Reapers to pit them against the Covenant yet. But from the evidence we have so far, the galaxy does defeat the Reapers at the end of Mass Effect 3 and with technology that is worse than the Covenants. So really the Covenant would probably win.

  • 09.07.2011 11:29 AM PDT


Posted by: Surperion93
So jakemaidment can't presume forunner shields are Kinetic with no evidence but everyone on this topic can presume a Reapers shield is Kinetic without evidence?


When did I ever say that?

I said we cannot say for sure how Reaper shields work, I didn't even mention Forerunner shields.

We can assume Reaper shields work similarly to kinetic barriers, but in a more advanced sense. Because that's our knowledge of Mass Effect shields. We can't be sure until ME3 if it gives us more information on Reaper tech.

  • 09.07.2011 11:46 AM PDT

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Dont fear the reaper.

  • 09.07.2011 11:57 AM PDT

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Posted by: jakemaidment
FINALLY someone gives me a decent response without resorting to calling me a fanboy!
a reaper scout (sovereign) is est. 2km long with enough firepower to destroy the kinetic shield and alliance ship in one shot from the spinal cannon.
keeping in mind sovereign is a scout, eg: not the strongest reaper ship.

A covenant CSO class supercarrier, the largest covenant ship going is 28.9km long, this is considerably larger than a reaper scout, the energy shielding can take hundreds of archer missiles, a handfull of SHIVA nukes, a few MAC shots from a frigate or one single superMAC shot.
the downside to covenant shielding is that it goes down to fire the weapons.

the reaper ship being faster and more intelligent would (in my opinion) be able to dodge the glassing beam if it were to be used for ship-to-ship combat.
covenant plasma torpedos would be able to follow and track the reaper ship, I have no references to use that say a reaper could outrun a torpdeo.
the plasma turrets scattered on the ship are slow to fire and incredibly inaccurate, so would be useless (in my opinion)
the plasma lasers would however be accurate enough to hit the reaper and can do damage to the shields.

with all of this weaponry firing, It'd be safe to assume that a large portion of the ships shielding would be down.
as much as I hate to use halo: reach as an example, the mass driver at the end of the campaign fired at the unshielded glassing beam caused the ship to be destroyed, presuming a reaper cannon is as strong (iI have no doubt it's stronger) than a standard MAC, and with reaper intelligence and speed, a well placed shot could bypass the covenant shields altogether and destroy a CSO.

in my opinion the only effective weaponry for use against a reaper are the plasma lasers and torpedos, from what I have seen, I have no doubt a reaper ship could take out a CSO
1-there is no proof that sovereign is just a scout (i mean by being weaker than other reapers)
2-A CCS can take 3 MAC rounds whitout droping its shields the supercarrier would probaly take some 81 MAC rounds before dropind and before you call that an assumption remenber most of your argument is based on assumptions
3- no ship i know of can dodge a beam at the speed of light unles the reapers have some magic auto win button
4- they are point defense lasers that means they fire at the speed of light and have a 100% acuracy
5-that was a Independence day stile weak spot covenant shildes only drop in a small area around the weapon that is firing
6-Both in the Halo games and books covenant shielding has been show to resist energy based weapons that means they are not kinectic barriers

  • 09.07.2011 1:12 PM PDT

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Posted by: jakemaidment
reapers simply AREN'T outmatched, anyone who's played ME1 can see how easily sovereign cut through everything, it took no effort to ram through an entire alliance fleet, and apparently a simple covenant torpedo can obliterate a reaper?
you really dont see the flaw in your argument? really? you know what i though the guys ho were calling you ignorant were wrong but i changed my mind you are ignorant ME isnst Halo they are diferent just because reapers are good in ME doesn't mean they are in Halo in all the halo games the sentinels are show with shielding that blocks energy weapons

  • 09.07.2011 1:23 PM PDT

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Posted by: Surperion93

Posted by: hotshot revan II

Posted by: Surperion93
I don't get this discussion? How can a single canon on the surface of Reach destroy a ship with ease but in space a huge MAC canon down the spine of Sovereign couldn't do anything? I'm sure you guys are making refrences and using numbers but just tell me how you took out a ship with ease in Halo:Reach but for some reason it's impossible when a Reaper attempts it?
Plus we're all talking Ship V Ship combat?

Reapers are far superior to the UNSC so how the UNSC won against the Covenant? Because they got Spartans helping? What makes the UNSC better against the Covenant then a Reaper? The UNSC got pounded almost all the time...one Covie civil war later the UNSC are on their way to winning?

You guys do know Sovereign could probably start a civil war if he wanted to, he can convince organics to do anything given they spend enough time around him.


The portion around the charging glassing beam was unshieled for that moment,that's why.

In space it will be nigh impossible because sections around weapons will only stay unshielded for a sec.

The UNSC weren't even winning during the civil war.Earths defenses were wiped out during the civil war.The separtist fleets were the ones that defeated Truths fleets.

That last sentence is a despair attempt to give the Reapers an advantage because you know they are outmatched in this fight.


Don't dismiss an ability of the Reapers because you think I'm doing out of despairation. It's an ability that they probably know how to use effectively so it should also be taken into account. If they could gain control of a main leader figure they could probably do some damage from the inside. Dismissing an ability as unique as that is foolish.
and how would he do that?

  • 09.07.2011 1:24 PM PDT

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Posted by: Surperion93

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: jakemaidment
reapers simply AREN'T outmatched, anyone who's played ME1 can see how easily sovereign cut through everything, it took no effort to ram through an entire alliance fleet, and apparently a simple covenant torpedo can obliterate a reaper?


A "simple covenant torpedo" doesn't work the same as a typical torpedo from the UNSC or mass effect ships.

While we don't know HOW exactly Reaper shields work, we just know they are either more advanced, or more powerful shields compared to other ME ships. That and the fleet at the Citadel was distracted with the giant Geth fleet that tagged along.

edit: The reaper ability to indoctrinate people takes a good while of direct exposure. I doubt you'd have a prophet or UNSC leader sit inside a reaper or directly near a reaper artifact for a long time.


So jakemaidment can't pressume forunner shields are Kinetic with no evidence but everyone on this topic can pressume a Reapers shield is Kinetic without evidence?

As for indoctination, I'm well aware of the fact it takes a while but when you have an ability you must know how to use it effectively. I'm just saying none of their abilities should be over looked in this discussion. Their Core that allows them to manipulate mass fields, their beams that shoot molten metals at extremely high speeds and other things that have been over looked.
there is evidence the citadel council tecnology is based on reaper tecnology that means they use KN barriers thats common sense common are you blind?

  • 09.07.2011 1:27 PM PDT

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let me use the logic you are using Council beats reapers covenant beats council= covenant beat reapers thats the same logicyou are using for the reapers side

  • 09.07.2011 1:29 PM PDT


Posted by: fsabran
there is evidence the citadel council tecnology is based on reaper tecnology that means they use KN barriers thats common sense common are you blind?


However, we don't know how much it takes from protheon tech as protheons were the only race to leave traces of themselves behind. So there might be a difference.

However, all current knowledge points to reaper shields being either more advanced or powerful forms of kinetic barriers. That's disgarding my theory that Reapers use an entirely different form of shielding as why would you give the races you are about to conquer the best stuff out there?

  • 09.07.2011 2:00 PM PDT

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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: fsabran
there is evidence the citadel council tecnology is based on reaper tecnology that means they use KN barriers thats common sense common are you blind?


However, we don't know how much it takes from protheon tech as protheons were the only race to leave traces of themselves behind. So there might be a difference.

However, all current knowledge points to reaper shields being either more advanced or powerful forms of kinetic barriers. That's disgarding my theory that Reapers use an entirely different form of shielding as why would you give the races you are about to conquer the best stuff out there?
and why would you give them a diferent tecnology from yours if that could turn agaisnt you

  • 09.07.2011 2:02 PM PDT
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in order:
1) sovereign was sent to unlock the citadel to allow the main reaper force through, that a scout in my books
2) 81 MACs for a CSO is a bit of a wild assumption, I've never seen those stats before, it takes a single superMAc round to obliterate a CSO though
3) the core of a reaper is made of "element zero" which allows them to manipulate certain physics (I mentioned it in another post) in halo terms, they can make pin-point slipspace jumps at will, WITHOUT losing power afterwards (unlike covie ships) this means the a reaper can jump at will around the ship and flank it, this would cause plasma torpedos to lose track, and any other weaponry would need to be re-aimed.
4) if you read up on the reapers ability to make slipspace jumps (obviously not called slipspace in ME) then I'm sure you can calculate some stats to what would hit a reaper in time.
5) reapers are highly intelligent and I'm certain can aim a shot at open segments of shielding
6) when the hell did I say covenant used kinetic?!?
forerunners, reapers, and the alliance use kinetic.
7) how is it that I can bombard you with facts, stats, and references and still get called ignorant?!?

  • 09.07.2011 2:20 PM PDT
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the reapers gave their victims a weaker version of their own tech/shielding so they knew all the weaknesses, making victory easier.
as sovereign said "your civilisation is based on the technology of the mass relays, by using it, your society develops along the paths we desire"

  • 09.07.2011 2:23 PM PDT


Posted by: fsabran

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: fsabran
there is evidence the citadel council tecnology is based on reaper tecnology that means they use KN barriers thats common sense common are you blind?


However, we don't know how much it takes from protheon tech as protheons were the only race to leave traces of themselves behind. So there might be a difference.

However, all current knowledge points to reaper shields being either more advanced or powerful forms of kinetic barriers. That's disgarding my theory that Reapers use an entirely different form of shielding as why would you give the races you are about to conquer the best stuff out there?
and why would you give them a diferent tecnology from yours if that could turn agaisnt you


Um... The reapers guided, bar the current timeline era, the entire development of technology by having people find their relics.

So, if you are going to wipe out all life, are you going to give them the same -blam!- as you? Nope. You'll give them weaker shields and weapons.

  • 09.07.2011 2:24 PM PDT

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Posted by: jakemaidment
in order:
1) sovereign was sent to unlock the citadel to allow the main reaper force through, that a scout in my books
2) 81 MACs for a CSO is a bit of a wild assumption, I've never seen those stats before, it takes a single superMAc round to obliterate a CSO though
3) the core of a reaper is made of "element zero" which allows them to manipulate certain physics (I mentioned it in another post) in halo terms, they can make pin-point slipspace jumps at will, WITHOUT losing power afterwards (unlike covie ships) this means the a reaper can jump at will around the ship and flank it, this would cause plasma torpedos to lose track, and any other weaponry would need to be re-aimed.
4) if you read up on the reapers ability to make slipspace jumps (obviously not called slipspace in ME) then I'm sure you can calculate some stats to what would hit a reaper in time.
5) reapers are highly intelligent and I'm certain can aim a shot at open segments of shielding
6) when the hell did I say covenant used kinetic?!?
forerunners, reapers, and the alliance use kinetic.
7) how is it that I can bombard you with facts, stats, and references and still get called ignorant?!?
because most of your "facts"are assumptions based on lack of information and you assume that ME universe=Halo universe

[Edited on 09.07.2011 3:18 PM PDT]

  • 09.07.2011 3:05 PM PDT