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Posted by: jakemaidment
the reapers gave their victims a weaker version of their own tech/shielding so they knew all the weaknesses, making victory easier.
as sovereign said "your civilisation is based on the technology of the mass relays, by using it, your society develops along the paths we desire"
and since when is this good for the reapers if the covenant uses radicaly diferent tecnology

  • 09.07.2011 3:07 PM PDT

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[quote]Posted by: fsabran
there is evidence the citadel council tecnology is based on reaper tecnology that means they use KN barriers thats common sense common are you blind?


However, we don't know how much it takes from protheon tech as protheons were the only race to leave traces of themselves behind. So there might be a difference.

However, all current knowledge points to reaper shields being either more advanced or powerful forms of kinetic barriers. That's disgarding my theory that Reapers use an entirely different form of shielding as why would you give the races you are about to conquer the best stuff out there?
and why would you give them a diferent tecnology from yours if that could turn agaisnt you
no you didn't understand im saying that they would give the council the same tecnology but less advanced


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Posted by: jakemaidment
6) when the hell did I say covenant used kinetic?!?
forerunners, reapers, and the alliance use kinetic.
7) how is it that I can bombard you with facts, stats, and references and still get called ignorant
?!?


That is where I say you're ignorant.

You see, Forerunners does not use kinetic barriers, not on ships. It is for most of sentinels...

And, there is no facts or stats or reference in your argument. You must include the links to codex since it is canon for ME universe. Cite your sources then we'll talk.

So your argument is on thin ice now due to majority of your arguments are based on assumptions and lack of citation.

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  • 09.07.2011 4:29 PM PDT

I enjoy playing all the halo games and have beat them all on Lengendary, whoo hoo. :P

Reapers are ancient, Covenant are not. I think Reapers would win.

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Posted by: potatoeMOSH
Reapers are ancient, Covenant are not. I think Reapers would win.


Oh bother...

Explain why Reapers would win because of being "ancient".

  • 09.07.2011 5:18 PM PDT

Giant human reaper = Worst boss in game history (IMO). What an anti-climax!

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Posted by: jakemaidment
the reapers gave their victims a weaker version of their own tech/shielding so they knew all the weaknesses, making victory easier.
as sovereign said "your civilisation is based on the technology of the mass relays, by using it, your society develops along the paths we desire"
and since when is this good for the reapers if the covenant uses radicaly diferent tecnology

I was simply replying to what someone else asked, I kinda fail at forums and have only just found out how to quote...

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Posted by: jakemaidment
6) when the hell did I say covenant used kinetic?!?
forerunners, reapers, and the alliance use kinetic.
7) how is it that I can bombard you with facts, stats, and references and still get called ignorant
?!?


That is where I say you're ignorant.

You see, Forerunners does not use kinetic barriers, not on ships. It is for most of sentinels...

And, there is no facts or stats or reference in your argument. You must include the links to codex since it is canon for ME universe. Cite your sources then we'll talk.

So your argument is on thin ice now due to majority of your arguments are based on assumptions and lack of citation.

I HAVE referenced everything to actual gameplay, cutscenes, my personal experience in gameplay, and wiki pages.
I don't spend alot of time around ME stuff so I've only just found out what the codex is, and I'm certain I'll find everything I need there.

as for your claim of forerunner ships not using kinetic shields, can YOU reference that?
I've given every reference I have to say they DO use kinetic shielding.
in fact, the only reference for anything you've actually given me is the 'return to sender' clip from halo 2.

and as you've said about how ME universe=/=halo universe, that is why I have made suitable conversions between phrases in both, as I have already mentioned about the tech used in the mass relays appears similar to slipspace technology, likewise the mass drivers they use as guns on ME are similar and in fact use the same mechanics as a MAC, superMAC or gauss (MACs being from halo, gauss being real-world technology developed in WW2)

reading through the earlier posts in this thread, I haven't got very far into it, but were all the shield calcs based on an asteroid? because I don't see how you managed to work out the strength of reaper alloy, when no detail is given on it

  • 09.08.2011 1:33 AM PDT

Do you people honestly think the Reapers have existed for trillions, if not more, but TRILLIONS of years, and They have never fought a race as advanced, if not more, than the Covenant and Forerunner combined?. Bull-blam!-, the Prothean Empire spanned the ENTIRE GALAXY. (Source: ME1, VIGIL]

The Reapers have PERFECTED THE ART OF GENOCIDE against EVERYONE over the course of BILLIONS, POSSIBLY TRILLIONS OF YEARS.

They will win, they always find a way to win.

  • 09.08.2011 8:04 PM PDT


Posted by: jakemaidment

Posted by: raganok99

Posted by: jakemaidment
6) when the hell did I say covenant used kinetic?!?
forerunners, reapers, and the alliance use kinetic.
7) how is it that I can bombard you with facts, stats, and references and still get called ignorant
?!?


That is where I say you're ignorant.

You see, Forerunners does not use kinetic barriers, not on ships. It is for most of sentinels...

And, there is no facts or stats or reference in your argument. You must include the links to codex since it is canon for ME universe. Cite your sources then we'll talk.

So your argument is on thin ice now due to majority of your arguments are based on assumptions and lack of citation.

I HAVE referenced everything to actual gameplay, cutscenes, my personal experience in gameplay, and wiki pages.
I don't spend alot of time around ME stuff so I've only just found out what the codex is, and I'm certain I'll find everything I need there.

as for your claim of forerunner ships not using kinetic shields, can YOU reference that?
I've given every reference I have to say they DO use kinetic shielding.
in fact, the only reference for anything you've actually given me is the 'return to sender' clip from halo 2.

and as you've said about how ME universe=/=halo universe, that is why I have made suitable conversions between phrases in both, as I have already mentioned about the tech used in the mass relays appears similar to slipspace technology, likewise the mass drivers they use as guns on ME are similar and in fact use the same mechanics as a MAC, superMAC or gauss (MACs being from halo, gauss being real-world technology developed in WW2)

reading through the earlier posts in this thread, I haven't got very far into it, but were all the shield calcs based on an asteroid? because I don't see how you managed to work out the strength of reaper alloy, when no detail is given on it


Your argument is legit and I support you. Keep fighting the good fight.

ANYONE who says a species as politically primitive as the COVENANT to allow itself to DEVOLVE INTO INTERNAL CHAOS could defeat something as COORDINATED and PINPOINT ACCURATE as the MIND OF A MACHINE is just plain stupid.

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  • 09.08.2011 8:05 PM PDT

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You claim that the repears are older than the universe...
Really..? Wow...
So mass effect 3 is only going to be a few minutes long?!

The Repeapers set a planned path for the species to follow and then use that path and bam.




You have provided no evidence that the forerunners use inferior kinectic shielding.

  • 09.08.2011 8:33 PM PDT


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You claim that the repears are older than the universe...
Really..? Wow...
So mass effect 3 is only going to be a few minutes long?!

The Repeapers set a planned path for the species to follow and then use that path and bam.




You have provided no evidence that the forerunners use inferior kinectic shielding.


The Reapers didn't use kinetic barriers...

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LOL, you look like you know what you're doing and what you're saying, BUT
I heard that the core of a reaper is 'element zero' which can create a barrier around the reaper (like a kinetic shield) and also can create a repellent field to further protect itself (http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Element_zero)
please correct me if I'm wrong

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I don't see how Cortana is better then a reaper... I mean, how would she fair trying to hack into a Forerunner installation with security measures, keep track of Master chief and guide him on a ground mission, while also maintaining ship defenses?



The same as how cortana is always multi tasking during all the games/ books.

halo evolutions page 371

In the time it takes me to tell you my name, i can preform Five Billion simultaneous operations. a heartbeat for you; an eternity for me..... so- my name is cortana, UNSC AI serial number CTN-0452-9


If sovereign couldn't even do FOUR things at the same time i don't even get what we are talking about. hell i am laughing right now.


Wasn't it calculated that since Cortana managed to bypass a certain, modulating security system she'd be able to calculate every atom in the universe in a span of an hour or something?

I can't remember and I'm not good with computers, but calculating all atoms in existance was in their somewhere on her resume.



I've never, ever heard of that about Cortana in any of the lore I've read.

Also, How can Cortana be better if she could barely handle guiding Master Chief, keeping Covenant sensors off-balance, and fighting a Covenant AI at once? (First Strike).

Seriously though, I'd love to see Cortana handle breaking into a shielded Forerunner database, while running all of a large cruisers point defense systems, WHILE guiding Master chief (since she cannot actually run his body like Sovereign did with Saren, which would be more taxing.)

Edit: Frankly that's -blam!- ridiculous. As my brother said, NO scifi UNIVERSE can make something that does that. Cortana doing it in an hour makes her like a -blam!- Q from Star Trek, why didn't humanity have massive leaps of tech since she's so intelligent?


MUST. POST. ANCILLA. STATS.

Also, the Culture Hive Mind.

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Posted by: ThePredkiller2
Do you people honestly think the Reapers have existed for trillions, if not more, but TRILLIONS of years, and They have never fought a race as advanced, if not more, than the Covenant and Forerunner combined?. Bull-blam!-, the Prothean Empire spanned the ENTIRE GALAXY. (Source: ME1, VIGIL]


So did the Forerunners.

And I'll go with the race that can build stars and then send them into supernovae to fill the role of [massive] grenades. Or collapse a galaxy by altering it's axis.

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Posted by: Tom016
Giant human reaper = Worst boss in game history (IMO). What an anti-climax!


Nah, that was 343 GS/the Lambent Brumak.

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"Time was your ally human. But now it has abandoned you. The Forerunners....have returned. And this tomb... is now yours". - The Didact

first of all I NEED to state that halo: reach (the game) and the new trilogy shouldn't be used as an example, the storyline has become too bastardised, there are many threads proving this...


Not it's nothing more then the opinion of Halo haters,common internet retardness and douchbags.

We haven't even played Halo 4 yet,so why jump into conclusions?

The storyline became better then ever with the Forerunner era being fleshed out and with even more mysteries entering the universe.

Besides all Halo media is canon so all can be used unless you want to argue with Frankie on this...

I did some research as you recommended, and found that the core of a reaper ship is made of 'element zero' in mass effect terms this means that a reaper ship is capable of increasing and decreasing it's weight at will, and able to deflect any mass in the vicinity of the ship, this means that plasma torpedos can be dissipated before getting anywhere near the shields.

Wiki page doesn't confirms you claims.

It's up to you now to show a video of a Reaper doing this
..or a quote.

it also means that anyone near the reaper for too long will naturally become indoctrinated (just throwing that out there)

Irrelevant, covies aren't retarded to chill and drink near a Reaper. The moment a Reaper is within range,it will be destroyed.

AND means that reaper ships basically have in-built mass relays.
in halo terms, it can make ultra-accurate, long/short distance slipspace jumps without losing power (as covie ships do).


Proof of the inbuilt relays.

Prove it that covies lose power at slipspace jumps,they ain't the old UNSC.

in short, this means that "outrunning" plasma torpedos/lasers is no matter, if you are so confident the reaper ship will be outgunned, it can simply jump to a safe location...maybe under the ship? the small size of the reaper ship (as you said 500m to 2km) means it could likely fit inside a CSO's hangar, I'm sure you can guess what it can do in there.

OMG did you really say that?
Prove it that they can make super accurate jumps into an object.
Prove it that they use tactics off jumping across the battlefield in FTL even if they never shown that ability.

You can't assume things like that if you have never seen them doing it.It's like saying that the covies will be using slipspace ruptures to destroy ships because the Forerunners did it too.

You can't outrun a plasma torpedo if it has a velocity of 130 000 km/s ,this number comes from the fall of reach book(can someone with this book please give the quote?)

ontop of that, I found out that reapers have a "magnetohydrodynamic" weapon which ejects a stream of molten metal at a fraction of the speed of light that can cut and burn through any alliance ship (including it's kinetic shield)

Which means the weapon is in low megaton range at minimum,because someone on Factpile once said Dreadnaughts can tank low megaton of firepower.

when you mentioned about the halo 2 cutscene (return to sender) you forgot to mention that UNSC ships don't have ANY shielding, and ANY plasma damage will burn through the layers of hull, your comparison was blind at best, as reaper ships have kinetic shielding, a reaper-alloy hull and can dissipate mass coming towards them.

Your point is valid BUT remember kinetic barriers can't block energy projectors,it can only block projectiles.So firing an energy projector at any ME ship is like firing an energy projector at an unshielded ship because kinetic barriers have no defense against energy based weapons.

no covenant weaponry would be able to cut a reaper in half, the hull strength (from what I've seen) is comparable to forerunner alloy, and the shields able to take ALOT of punishment (ME cutscenes)


I would like to see how powerful a Reaper hull is.Do you know what material it is from?It's also half organic right?
An energy projector pierced 5 UNSC ships at the same time.

BTW don't forget,energy based weapons ignore kinetic barriers.

whether you think a covenant ship can slice through one or not, the facts are there, 2 UNSC frigates can take on a CCS with well-timed MAC shots, they couldn't do that to a reaper.
(for the record alliance>UNSC clearly, there is no way you can argue that)


A UNSC frigate never succesfully defeated a covie battlecruiser on it's own and it is impossible unless the covie shipmaster is drunk.Here is why:

-An average covie ship could take 3 MAC shots,then there is also the fact that it takes some time for the MAC to recharge if it fires at full power.Then consider this scenario:

-Frigate fires at cruiser
-Cruiser survives and the MAC is recharging
-Cruiser destroys the frigate with a few plasma torpedos

I know a UNSC commander can retreat at the far side of the planet but i ingored it in this scenario ,you can get what i'm saying here right.

I disagree about "Alliance>>>>UNSC",but that's another debate.


as I've said numerous times, I'm not a mega ME fanboy or anything, so I don't know anything about precise shield strengths or anything, some of this info I'm using now has come from a friend who knows a lot about ME
my point I'm trying to put across is that, with bias opinions aside for both sides, sovereign was ONLY taken out because his long range weaponry was down, he was stunned, he was trying to unlock the citadel and because you can't end a game on mass extinction


Then your friend should join this debate because i hope he has some sources from ME codex,if you rely on his info then it's easy to give us some wrong info and it wouldn't be your fault.



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Posted by: jakemaidment


I HAVE referenced everything to actual gameplay, cutscenes, my personal experience in gameplay, and wiki pages.
I don't spend alot of time around ME stuff so I've only just found out what the codex is, and I'm certain I'll find everything I need there.

as for your claim of forerunner ships not using kinetic shields, can YOU reference that?
I've given every reference I have to say they DO use kinetic shielding.
in fact, the only reference for anything you've actually given me is the 'return to sender' clip from halo 2.

and as you've said about how ME universe=/=halo universe, that is why I have made suitable conversions between phrases in both, as I have already mentioned about the tech used in the mass relays appears similar to slipspace technology, likewise the mass drivers they use as guns on ME are similar and in fact use the same mechanics as a MAC, superMAC or gauss (MACs being from halo, gauss being real-world technology developed in WW2)

reading through the earlier posts in this thread, I haven't got very far into it, but were all the shield calcs based on an asteroid? because I don't see how you managed to work out the strength of reaper alloy, when no detail is given on it


1.) Where? You never referenced anything. Please go to Codex and reference there. They said it's only canon source. So you can't spend lot of time in ME, then it makes your argument to be useless. Most of debates requires people to get in deep researching stuff.

2.) LOL! You also never referenced anything about Forerunners using kinetic barrier ON THE SHIPS. That kinetic barriers was for SENTINELS, not FORERUNNERS itself. Please read my post again.

Still, your argument is on thin ice for now. Go back to codex and start researching. Then you can come back with better argument, okay?

ThePredkiller2


Do you people honestly think the Reapers have existed for trillions, if not more, but TRILLIONS of years, and They have never fought a race as advanced, if not more, than the Covenant and Forerunner combined?. Bull-blam!-, the Prothean Empire spanned the ENTIRE GALAXY. (Source: ME1, VIGIL]

The Reapers have PERFECTED THE ART OF GENOCIDE against EVERYONE over the course of BILLIONS, POSSIBLY TRILLIONS OF YEARS


WHAT? You claim that Reapers is older than universe or galaxy?

CITATION NEEDED.

The Reapers is likely to be millions of years old. Not that billion/trillions of years...

Also you forgot that Forerunners also did span entire galaxy and probably Precursors...

[Edited on 09.09.2011 10:19 AM PDT]

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Posted by: hotshot revan II
first of all I NEED to state that halo: reach (the game) and the new trilogy shouldn't be used as an example, the storyline has become too bastardised, there are many threads proving this...


Not it's nothing more then the opinion of Halo haters,common internet retardness and douchbags.

We haven't even played Halo 4 yet,so why jump into conclusions?

The storyline became better then ever with the Forerunner era being fleshed out and with even more mysteries entering the universe.

Besides all Halo media is canon so all can be used unless you want to argue with Frankie on this...

I did some research as you recommended, and found that the core of a reaper ship is made of 'element zero' in mass effect terms this means that a reaper ship is capable of increasing and decreasing it's weight at will, and able to deflect any mass in the vicinity of the ship, this means that plasma torpedos can be dissipated before getting anywhere near the shields.

Wiki page doesn't confirms you claims.

It's up to you now to show a video of a Reaper doing this
..or a quote.

it also means that anyone near the reaper for too long will naturally become indoctrinated (just throwing that out there)

Irrelevant, covies aren't retarded to chill and drink near a Reaper. The moment a Reaper is within range,it will be destroyed.

AND means that reaper ships basically have in-built mass relays.
in halo terms, it can make ultra-accurate, long/short distance slipspace jumps without losing power (as covie ships do).


Proof of the inbuilt relays.

Prove it that covies lose power at slipspace jumps,they ain't the old UNSC.

in short, this means that "outrunning" plasma torpedos/lasers is no matter, if you are so confident the reaper ship will be outgunned, it can simply jump to a safe location...maybe under the ship? the small size of the reaper ship (as you said 500m to 2km) means it could likely fit inside a CSO's hangar, I'm sure you can guess what it can do in there.

OMG did you really say that?
Prove it that they can make super accurate jumps into an object.
Prove it that they use tactics off jumping across the battlefield in FTL even if they never shown that ability.

You can't assume things like that if you have never seen them doing it.It's like saying that the covies will be using slipspace ruptures to destroy ships because the Forerunners did it too.

You can't outrun a plasma torpedo if it has a velocity of 130 000 km/s ,this number comes from the fall of reach book(can someone with this book please give the quote?)

ontop of that, I found out that reapers have a "magnetohydrodynamic" weapon which ejects a stream of molten metal at a fraction of the speed of light that can cut and burn through any alliance ship (including it's kinetic shield)

Which means the weapon is in low megaton range at minimum,because someone on Factpile once said Dreadnaughts can tank low megaton of firepower.

when you mentioned about the halo 2 cutscene (return to sender) you forgot to mention that UNSC ships don't have ANY shielding, and ANY plasma damage will burn through the layers of hull, your comparison was blind at best, as reaper ships have kinetic shielding, a reaper-alloy hull and can dissipate mass coming towards them.

Your point is valid BUT remember kinetic barriers can't block energy projectors,it can only block projectiles.So firing an energy projector at any ME ship is like firing an energy projector at an unshielded ship because kinetic barriers have no defense against energy based weapons.

no covenant weaponry would be able to cut a reaper in half, the hull strength (from what I've seen) is comparable to forerunner alloy, and the shields able to take ALOT of punishment (ME cutscenes)


I would like to see how powerful a Reaper hull is.Do you know what material it is from?It's also half organic right?
An energy projector pierced 5 UNSC ships at the same time.

BTW don't forget,energy based weapons ignore kinetic barriers.

whether you think a covenant ship can slice through one or not, the facts are there, 2 UNSC frigates can take on a CCS with well-timed MAC shots, they couldn't do that to a reaper.
(for the record alliance>UNSC clearly, there is no way you can argue that)


A UNSC frigate never succesfully defeated a covie battlecruiser on it's own and it is impossible unless the covie shipmaster is drunk.Here is why:

-An average covie ship could take 3 MAC shots,then there is also the fact that it takes some time for the MAC to recharge if it fires at full power.Then consider this scenario:

-Frigate fires at cruiser
-Cruiser survives and the MAC is recharging
-Cruiser destroys the frigate with a few plasma torpedos

I know a UNSC commander can retreat at the far side of the planet but i ingored it in this scenario ,you can get what i'm saying here right.

I disagree about "Alliance>>>>UNSC",but that's another debate.


as I've said numerous times, I'm not a mega ME fanboy or anything, so I don't know anything about precise shield strengths or anything, some of this info I'm using now has come from a friend who knows a lot about ME
my point I'm trying to put across is that, with bias opinions aside for both sides, sovereign was ONLY taken out because his long range weaponry was down, he was stunned, he was trying to unlock the citadel and because you can't end a game on mass extinction


Then your friend should join this debate because i hope he has some sources from ME codex,if you rely on his info then it's easy to give us some wrong info and it wouldn't be your fault.




in order:
reach broke the rules at EVERY corner, there are PLENTY of forums on Bnet alone that prove this.
the halo 4 trailer, the Chief wakes up (without the thawing stage) with fresh armour (i'll admit just for graphics) uses his JETPACK (WTF) and fires a ROCKET PISTOL, that's pretty damn bastardised to me.
when you said about "all halo media is canon" there are many forum threads that prove you wrong again, for example they completely dismissed legends (which also broke the rules on every corner)

the wiki page, I saved you some time and found the exact paragraph that supports alot of my claims http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Reaper
look under the "technology" section
I would also advise you to read through the effects of element zero and the mass relays

which leads me perfectly onto the next point you raised:
the element zero core functions the same as a mass relay, thus can utilise the same effects, I think this was also mentioned under "technology"


"Prove it that covies lose power at slipspace jumps,they ain't the old UNSC."
I think you'll find just about every source says that they do lose power, I'm in a rush to do this at the moment so don't have a source handy, when I get back I'll find a source and a quote for you, my first guess would be to look in "the fall of reach"


when you said about proving reapers can essentially make slipspace jumps, I direct you back to how the core of a reaper functions like a mass relay, which in simple terms, makes things go really really fast.

when you said about 'have they ever done it?' then of course not, they've never needed to, but they are intelligent enough to be able to (based off FACT, not assumptions, they are the pinnacle of artificial intelligence)


next you said about how the reapers cannons fire at a low megaton range, you forget that it's energy is at a low megaton range, it fires molten metal to accompany it (much like a glassing beam) which I am certain will impact and overload covenant shielding.

when you said about the kinetic shields blocking heat, you are right, but again you forget it doesn't ONLY fire heat, it fires molten metal (reapers, glassing beam) in some cases, superheated gas (plasma weaponry) in other cases, though the heat will pass through the shield, the mass (which carries the heat) will dissipate before it gets to the reaper/ship

on your next point, I think you'll find part of the core of a reaper is made from organic material, superheated to a maliable paste, the carbon in organic fibres will be heated to a point where it is not fleshy, much like how coal or diamond is formed.

as for your next point, you misread, I said 2 frigates, not 1.
there are many published ship to ship combat guides for the UNSC, some of which done by J keyes, the rough way this works is:
UNSC1: fires MAC
UNSC2: fires MAC
cov1: shield depleted
UNSC3: fires MAC
cov1 destroyed.

of course that is the rough idea, it is inevitable at least one ship will be destroyed, if the shipmaster of the covenant ship is crafty enough, they can eliminate both UNSC ships and save their own ship.


on your final point, I have since asked my friend for some advice on this, they know ME like the back of their hand, I've run through everything I've said to them, and I'm going to post this thread to them so they can assess it

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Posted by: jakemaidment

as for your next point, you misread, I said 2 frigates, not 1.
there are many published ship to ship combat guides for the UNSC, some of which done by J keyes, the rough way this works is:
UNSC1: fires MAC
UNSC2: fires MAC
cov1: shield depleted
UNSC3: fires MAC
cov1 destroyed.

of course that is the rough idea, it is inevitable at least one ship will be destroyed, if the shipmaster of the covenant ship is crafty enough, they can eliminate both UNSC ships and save their own ship.


I doubt a Frigate can take anything bigger than a Corvette. In the Fall of Reach, the Commonwealth [a frigate] engaged the Covenant's Unrelenting [a ship that was a third the size of the Commonwealth], now, that ship must have been either 178 [Paris class], 159 [Stal-wart class] or 163 [Charon class]meters long, depending on the class of frigate the Commonwealth was, regardless, this was the damage that the Commonwealth suffered.

Communications and navigation dishes destroyed.
Armor in sections 3-7 down to four centimeters from 60 cm.
Hull breach in section three.
Ship AI memory core overloaded.
Leak in the port fuel tank.
Fire in sections one through twenty. (Atmosphere vented, fire extinguished.)
Port armor destroyed.
Decks two through seven in section one melted away. Decks two through five in sections three, four and five out of contact.
Deck thirteen destroyed.
Hull structure came close to "buckling" (integrity about to fail) and the MAC system was taken offline.
Reactor only able to output ten percent of rated output.

And the only way they were able to manage not to be destroyed was by sending Spartans (John, Kelly and Sam) to board it through a hole they had done with the MAC (the second MAC had gutted the ship, although it still was in operational state) and to destroy it with some nuclear warheads from the inside.

Now, that was with a ship that wasn't even half the size of a Frigate, now imagine what a ship twice the size of a Frigate due to them.

  • 09.09.2011 10:58 AM PDT

Wake me when the jews are gone.


Posted by: ThePredkiller2
Do you people honestly think the Reapers have existed for trillions, if not more, but TRILLIONS of years, and They have never fought a race as advanced, if not more, than the Covenant and Forerunner combined?. Bull-blam!-, the Prothean Empire spanned the ENTIRE GALAXY. (Source: ME1, VIGIL]

The Reapers have PERFECTED THE ART OF GENOCIDE against EVERYONE over the course of BILLIONS, POSSIBLY TRILLIONS OF YEARS.

They will win, they always find a way to win.
agaisn't people that always had the same predetermined tecnology

  • 09.09.2011 11:57 AM PDT

Welcome to bungie, you have no rights. play nice!
CLICK!

What are you talking about sentinels having kinetic barriers ragnarok? Where did you get those lies from?

  • 09.09.2011 1:51 PM PDT


Posted by: fsabran

Posted by: ThePredkiller2
Do you people honestly think the Reapers have existed for trillions, if not more, but TRILLIONS of years, and They have never fought a race as advanced, if not more, than the Covenant and Forerunner combined?. Bull-blam!-, the Prothean Empire spanned the ENTIRE GALAXY. (Source: ME1, VIGIL]

The Reapers have PERFECTED THE ART OF GENOCIDE against EVERYONE over the course of BILLIONS, POSSIBLY TRILLIONS OF YEARS.

They will win, they always find a way to win.
against people that always had the same predetermined tecnology


Yeah, the Prothean empire got that massive due to Reaper influence. The relays and citadel are all Reaper tech.

The Prothean's are simply important because they were the first race to actually survive/leave traces of their civilization behind after the reaper cleansing.

Also, did Vigil not point out that upon entering the Galaxy from the citadel the first act that was executed was to shut down every single relay, thus allowing only them to travel across the galaxy. Every planet was completely isolated.

So yeah, I'm fairly sure the Reapers would not have fought a super-advanced culture compared to them simply because it would be a threat. They wouldn't allow the races to get high enough technology to combat them.

  • 09.09.2011 2:01 PM PDT

Posted by:ScubaToaster
Posted by: HipiO7
This man, this man right here put it so eloquently that I actually cancelled my own 2000+ word long post.
/slow clap for respect


:)
The person who said participating is important, not winning, obviously never won anything.

Obviously the Reapers.

A galactic invasion force is simply too much for the Covenant.

Although on the ground, I'm sure the Covenant win.

  • 09.09.2011 2:06 PM PDT


Posted by: SC Matt Klassen

Posted by: ThePredkiller2
Do you people honestly think the Reapers have existed for trillions, if not more, but TRILLIONS of years, and They have never fought a race as advanced, if not more, than the Covenant and Forerunner combined?. Bull-blam!-, the Prothean Empire spanned the ENTIRE GALAXY. (Source: ME1, VIGIL]


So did the Forerunners.

And I'll go with the race that can build stars and then send them into supernovae to fill the role of [massive] grenades. Or collapse a galaxy by altering it's axis.


By altering its axis? Wut?

[Edited on 09.09.2011 9:27 PM PDT]

  • 09.09.2011 9:24 PM PDT