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Posted by: Vercetti24

Posted by: jakemaidment
can you reference ANY of what you've just said.

to start proving you wrong I'm going to, once again, describe the mechanics of a kinetic barrier.
THEY BLOCK MASS
MAC rounds would get nowhere near a reaper, the round would be dissipated by the mass effect field around the reaper, if it was fired fast enough to bypass the field it would be completely stopped by the kinetic shield.
as for energy weapons.
the heat is carried by mass, if the mass is stopped the heat physically cannot travel much further, just as it happens with a MAC round the mass will be dissipated before it hits the shield, if it does hit the shield, the mass will be completely blocked and the heat will only travel a short distance further, since the shielding isn't mere inches away from the reaper, the heat will have completely dispersed before actually touching the reapers hull.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heat
educate yourself, come back when you can get some references

I'm not going to even bother because neither did you when I asked for references and I'm not gonna waste even more time with talking with an idiot. Besides, you will ignore it anyway just like you did with everything before.

Jesus Christ, this stuff is hilarious, kinetic barriers ad mass effect fields are two different things, mass effect fields don't even have anything to do with shielding, a MAC round would impact on the shield, oh no wait, I forgot that Reapers have magical shielding that makes every non-ME weapons dissapear despite it never being mentioned inc anon!. According to your logic the Mass Accelerators from the SA should dissapear too, but I'm pretty sure I've seen them impact on Sovereign's shields, but from your claims it's pretty clear you played a different game...
Thinsg that go really slow actually bypass kinetic barriers too, but how cna I expect you to know that?
Again from the impression I got from Sovereign the shielding is mere inches away, but I can't forget, you, like other ME fantards have played a different gane. And Covenant point defense lasers and Energy Projectors will bypass them no matter what because they are energy weapons, the heat from Palsma torpedoes will still damage the Reaper and a hit from a Plasma Torpedo will hurt its shields since it would be like an entire fleet of ME ships was firing at it for hours.

Oh, you can link to to wikipedia pages to make yourslef look smart! I am impressed! Now I'm totally convinced that all you say it's true and not just some fanboy rant!

Why am I evenw asting time on writing this? Ah yes, I'm bored.

if you look back through my posts, especially my first ones, I have referenced all my claims to in-game experience and wiki pages, saying I haven't referenced anything is blind.

that 'magic' you are talking about, the mass effect fields, if you looked at the MEwiki page I linked the first time I mentioned it, mass effect fields allow the user (the reaper) to manipulate speed and mass in anything in the field, this is how the mass relays work, they alter the mass and speed of the craft to travel at ultra-fast speeds.
I'll save you some time: http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Mass_effect_fields
sums it up in the first few lines.
the mass effect field and the kinetic barrier around the reaper blocks all mass, during the final cutscene of ME most of the rounds fired on sovereign impacted or dissipated on the shield, the mass effect field would have deflected some of the rounds at least.

"Thinsg that go really slow actually bypass kinetic barriers too, but how cna I expect you to know that?"
I am fully aware of that, as I have mentioned, to you in fact, multiple times, you've even given me stats on speeds and powers of different projectiles and none of them are travelling slow enough to bypass the shield.

as for sovereigns shield, it would be ridiculous and pathetic if the shield was inches away, as any explosion would cause heat damage to the hull.

as you mentioned, yes, the covenant lasers would have the best chance at hurting a reaper, they travel fast enough and with such little mass to practically bypass the mass effect field (presumably) and I'd say could do the most damage to the kinetic shield, while some heat possibly passing through (due to the speed).
a plasma torpedo however, has alot of mass so would be most affected by the mass effect field and the kinetic barrier.

as for my link to the wiki page on heat. I was implying you should read about how heat travels and acts in different environments before you go saying heat can travel without mass (as the mass gets rejected by the kinetic barrier)
sending the wiki page wasn't to make me seem smart, it was to show you I actually read and can reference my claims.
I still don't see your references.


on a side note: you say this is hilarious yet you don't know why you're writing this, that's contradiction, if you were loving this so much you'd keep it going...

  • 09.11.2011 1:31 PM PDT

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Posted by: jakemaidment

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You're so ignorant and you dare say that?
First of all, bungie made the Reach story line. So why are you accusing 343 industries.

Spartan lasers are more accurate and more powerfull plus they can be used as some sort of sniper and Johnson is a sniper.
That wasn't the first cutscene... You really think his armour just changed in cryosleep? He's going to have to go somewhere to get those things and it's not the dawn. AIt's a teaser remember?

UNSC and Covenant "teamed up" means parts of them. Although there were certain parts were there were slight pauses in combat to deal with larger things from both factions.
Phoenix-class aren't unique. This is a big reason why I say you're ignorant. Phoenix-class ships are colony ships designed to colonize planets. The spirit of fire was one of them and then it got refit for the UNSC use against the insurection.

I'm pretty sure Cortana can multitask better.
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Why do people keep insisting the sentinels have kinetic shields when they don't? If it's because they're more resistant to bullets than plasma well duh! Plasma carries more energy than bullets.
If you talk about onyx sentinels. They're not kinetic shields either... They're super strong. Their weakness is taht they activate when they detect fast moving objects and they can't fire and have their shields at the same time. But they can combine and be used for a variety of function. A pair can use it's shield and fire at the same time. If combined, they can destroy whole starships.


it's all gone downhill after they made ODST, halo wars was kinda half canon, they have had to do mass explaining to cover it up, legends had no canonisity, anyne with a brain can see that, and reach was the same.

I understand the halo 4 trailer was a teaser, and I've already said I don't care about the new armour, it's just with their new graphics, btw it is the same mk6 from what I can tell, my evidence; it still has the damage on the chestplate.
all I'm saying about the halo 4 trailer is that when I saw it, I saw the jetpack/thrusters/whatever and thought, why was this never used in any other game? it could've helped when the Chief was falling through atmosphere, or giving the covenant back their bomb.
and when I saw the rocket pistol I facepalmed, who's bright idea was that?

reading back through your post, YES the chiefs armour DID 'just change in cryosleep' hence the battledamage still being there.


as for legends and the 'teaming up' part, when you see both the chief and the arbiter commanding troops to fight the flood, then see an epic clip of the chief fighting side-by-side with a grunt, you start to ask questions...
the pheonix-class ship, last I heard they were for cruises, like for holidays and such, and that the one in wars was a custom, one-of-a-kind.
even if they were more common, that's a minor flaw, there are quite literally hundreds of flaws.
however, I still enjoyed the film nevertheless.

for the last time, sentinels DO have kinetic shields, a kinetic shield, by definition, activates only when something travels at it over a certain velocity.
eg: a bullet fires towards a sentinel, it's shield activates when the bullet gets too close, the bullet deflects.
the same shielding is used on ME for troops and ships.

when I found onyx sentinels on halopedian (http://www.halopedian.com/Onyx_Sentinel)
it even says in the stats: "superior shielding, activated when fast motion is detected" which is by definition, kinetic shielding.


also about cortana, she is a highly intelligent AI, but not as superior as a reapers AI nor an ancilla-class AI (nor any other advanced forerunner AI)
however, IF cortana were in control of a ship, as a reaper AI is of a reaper, then I'm certain she could do some awesome damage, as she did with the superMAC above earth
oh my god do you have a mental ilnes forehuner shielding is diferent from Kinectic barriers forehuner shielding can deflect plasma also Covenant shields can deflect slow moving objects example try beating an elite

  • 09.11.2011 1:36 PM PDT

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Posted by: Spartan 100

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Posted by: Spartan 100
They said move galaxies with the axes.


This. And even then that doesn't really help them in any use.


If you can move a damn galaxy around like an oversized spaceship, you could possibly collapse it on itself as well.
Not to mention the Reapers wouldn't be able to find the galaxy in the first place if it moved...

Why am I getting off topic?

To add to that, you could just move it, spin it around, make it collide with itself, make it go nuts! So yeah...


I don't care how many people pile up on top of me and tell me I'm wrong, you simply cannot do that. This is one of the reasons I don't like the Halo universe anymore, because it is so ludicrously impossible. You just can't spin a Galaxy around like that. If the Forerunners had that level of technology they wouldn't even need a physical body. If they really are able to do that in the novels, then I have lost all respect for the Halo universe.

Going by 'realism' Forerunners lose, horribly.
because magic oh sory element zero (magic) is much more realistic
/sarcasm

  • 09.11.2011 1:38 PM PDT

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Posted by: jakemaidment

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Posted by: ThePredkiller2

To add to that, you could just move it, spin it around, make it collide with itself, make it go nuts! So yeah...[/quote]

I don't care how many people pile up on top of me and tell me I'm wrong, you simply cannot do that. This is one of the reasons I don't like the Halo universe anymore, because it is so ludicrously impossible. You just can't spin a Galaxy around like that. If the Forerunners had that level of technology they wouldn't even need a physical body. If they really are able to do that in the novels, then I have lost all respect for the Halo universe.

Going by 'realism' Forerunners lose, horribly.


Do you realize this is Science Fiction?

Guess what it means? It's not close to realism, lol.

Forerunners are capable of tweaking the axis of galaxy which it may render that they can destroy entire galaxy by altering its axis.

Ergo, Forerunners wins against Reapers, also Covenant will win against Reapers as well.


is the only way the forerunners can win a battle by killing themselves aswell?
the flood arrive and they kill themselves and all sentient life to get rid of it.
the reapers arrive so they destroy their own galaxy to get rig of them.

in my opinion, forerunner against reapers, forerunner could possibly win, mainly due to the fact they have so many forerunner-built planets and they can craft superweapons easily

covenant vs reapers, the covenant have no chance, they can barely keep themselves together, how many civil wars have they had? too many, I can't even remember how many grunt rebellions they've had
one rebelion only grunt rebelion Epic Fail

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oh my god do you have a mental ilnes forehuner shielding is diferent from Kinectic barriers forehuner shielding can deflect plasma also Covenant shields can deflect slow moving objects example try beating an elite

forerunner shielding as far as we know is kinetic as described in Ghosts of onyx. http://www.halopedian.com/Onyx_Sentinel
the forerunner shielding deflecting plasma is it deflecting the mass of the plasma, the heat energy still passes through but can't travel very far without the mass of the plasma.
covenant shielding isn't kinetic, it's always active, it doesn't deflect anything (like kinetic does) it takes damage from everything that hits it, this is why they overload and disperse.
http://www.halopedian.com/Energy_shield

  • 09.11.2011 1:44 PM PDT
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one rebelion only grunt rebelion Epic Fail
sorry, my bad, I meant age of conflict http://www.halopedian.com/Age_of_Conflict
the 39th age of conflict was the grunt rebellion, this is before the great schism, you know, where the covenant broke apart in civil war?

  • 09.11.2011 1:47 PM PDT

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Posted by: jakemaidment

one rebelion only grunt rebelion Epic Fail
sorry, my bad, I meant age of conflict http://www.halopedian.com/Age_of_Conflict
the 39th age of conflict was the grunt rebellion, this is before the great schism, you know, where the covenant broke apart in civil war?
yes but remenber the covenant was stable until an life changing discovery was made and even then if it wasn't for truth betry your allies police the covenant would have won the war. really if masster chief took five minutes longer to find regret humanity would have been exterminated

  • 09.11.2011 2:07 PM PDT
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Posted by: fsabran

Posted by: jakemaidment

one rebelion only grunt rebelion Epic Fail
sorry, my bad, I meant age of conflict http://www.halopedian.com/Age_of_Conflict
the 39th age of conflict was the grunt rebellion, this is before the great schism, you know, where the covenant broke apart in civil war?
yes but remenber the covenant was stable until an life changing discovery was made and even then if it wasn't for truth betry your allies police the covenant would have won the war. really if masster chief took five minutes longer to find regret humanity would have been exterminated

my point was that the covenant can barely keep themselves together, they were having civil wars LONG before they found humanity, I think the grunt rebellion was before they discovered humanity...
so that's 39 ages of conflict.
then a covenant shattering civil war when they found the halos

reapers "are each a nation, independent, free of all weakness"

seriously though, straight from the start, which do you fear more?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JvrIFIjTGt0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPEYImyvKBY
sovereign or truth?
sovereign was "the first fictional character to make your life seem so insignificant"
and he had the firepower to back it up

  • 09.11.2011 2:15 PM PDT


Posted by: jakemaidment
if you look back through my posts, especially my first ones, I have referenced all my claims to in-game experience and wiki pages, saying I haven't referenced anything is blind.

that 'magic' you are talking about, the mass effect fields, if you looked at the MEwiki page I linked the first time I mentioned it, mass effect fields allow the user (the reaper) to manipulate speed and mass in anything in the field, this is how the mass relays work, they alter the mass and speed of the craft to travel at ultra-fast speeds.
I'll save you some time: http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Mass_effect_fields
sums it up in the first few lines.
the mass effect field and the kinetic barrier around the reaper blocks all mass, during the final cutscene of ME most of the rounds fired on sovereign impacted or dissipated on the shield, the mass effect field would have deflected some of the rounds at least.

"Thinsg that go really slow actually bypass kinetic barriers too, but how cna I expect you to know that?"
I am fully aware of that, as I have mentioned, to you in fact, multiple times, you've even given me stats on speeds and powers of different projectiles and none of them are travelling slow enough to bypass the shield.

as for sovereigns shield, it would be ridiculous and pathetic if the shield was inches away, as any explosion would cause heat damage to the hull.

as you mentioned, yes, the covenant lasers would have the best chance at hurting a reaper, they travel fast enough and with such little mass to practically bypass the mass effect field (presumably) and I'd say could do the most damage to the kinetic shield, while some heat possibly passing through (due to the speed).
a plasma torpedo however, has alot of mass so would be most affected by the mass effect field and the kinetic barrier.

as for my link to the wiki page on heat. I was implying you should read about how heat travels and acts in different environments before you go saying heat can travel without mass (as the mass gets rejected by the kinetic barrier)
sending the wiki page wasn't to make me seem smart, it was to show you I actually read and can reference my claims.
I still don't see your references.


on a side note: you say this is hilarious yet you don't know why you're writing this, that's contradiction, if you were loving this so much you'd keep it going...

Weird how the latest stuff I remember was or made up (example: mass effect fields suddendly acting as shielding despite them never doing it in canon, just in your imagination) or speculation (example age of the Reapers) or just fanwank.

Please show me any source that mass effect fields act as shileding like you claim they do because they don't, they just manipulate wight of the Reaper so they can fly in atmosphere. Kinetic barriers act exactly like shields except they only stop kinetic energy.
You somehow imagined that mass effect fields are used to slow down projectiles which does not happen.

I never claimed they will, was just pointing it out.

Yet in ME1 he has it mere inches away from his hull, it is not a good idea seeing how kinetic barriers work, in fact it's plain retarded, but he still did had his shields like that.

The Point Defense laser and Energy Projectors wouldn't just have a "chance" to bypass kinetic barriers, THEY TRAVEL WITH THE SPEED OF LIGHT, THEY HAVE NO MASS.

Because I'm noth bothering to post them until you post a argument that I don't have classified as classic MEtard -blam!-.

I find your posts hilarious, but I am asking myself why am I responding to them while I know it's futile. Which I explain to myslf that I am bored and are in the mood for this.


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Posted by: fsabran

Posted by: jakemaidment

one rebelion only grunt rebelion Epic Fail
sorry, my bad, I meant age of conflict http://www.halopedian.com/Age_of_Conflict
the 39th age of conflict was the grunt rebellion, this is before the great schism, you know, where the covenant broke apart in civil war?
yes but remenber the covenant was stable until an life changing discovery was made and even then if it wasn't for truth betry your allies police the covenant would have won the war. really if masster chief took five minutes longer to find regret humanity would have been exterminated

my point was that the covenant can barely keep themselves together, they were having civil wars LONG before they found humanity, I think the grunt rebellion was before they discovered humanity...
so that's 39 ages of conflict.
then a covenant shattering civil war when they found the halos

reapers "are each a nation, independent, free of all weakness"

seriously though, straight from the start, which do you fear more?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JvrIFIjTGt0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPEYImyvKBY
sovereign or truth?
sovereign was "the first fictional character to make your life seem so insignificant"
and he had the firepower to back it up

ut the thing is, this is a VS battle, the polictical situation is not relevant. And you're overreacting, the Covenant worked fine and did destroy every rebellion, that's until the Sangheili left. The Great Schism was casued by an idiotic decison from Truth, it wouldn't have happend without that.

You claim to be a Halo fanboy, yet the way you wank the Reapers is just like ME fantards do.

The point of the Prophets was never to be intimidating in the first place, it's the Covenant you fear, not their leaders, it's even how the Covenant was build, the Sangheili did the fighting and Prophets were the brains.
And I would fear what Truth stands for more then what Sovereign stands for, but I guess its what you you fear more personally...

sovereign was "the first fictional character to make your life seem so insignificant"
Maybe for you, but hey, that's what opinions are for, just make sure to not state them as facts.

"and he had the firepower to back it up"
In universe? Definetly. Compared to other Sci-Fi? Nope.

Now just a small test, you agree that the Reapers would be slaughtered by both the Imperium of Man and Forerunner Ecumene, right?

[Edited on 09.11.2011 3:08 PM PDT]

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Posted by: Vercetti24

Posted by: jakemaidment
if you look back through my posts, especially my first ones, I have referenced all my claims to in-game experience and wiki pages, saying I haven't referenced anything is blind.

that 'magic' you are talking about, the mass effect fields, if you looked at the MEwiki page I linked the first time I mentioned it, mass effect fields allow the user (the reaper) to manipulate speed and mass in anything in the field, this is how the mass relays work, they alter the mass and speed of the craft to travel at ultra-fast speeds.
I'll save you some time: http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Mass_effect_fields
sums it up in the first few lines.
the mass effect field and the kinetic barrier around the reaper blocks all mass, during the final cutscene of ME most of the rounds fired on sovereign impacted or dissipated on the shield, the mass effect field would have deflected some of the rounds at least.

"Thinsg that go really slow actually bypass kinetic barriers too, but how cna I expect you to know that?"
I am fully aware of that, as I have mentioned, to you in fact, multiple times, you've even given me stats on speeds and powers of different projectiles and none of them are travelling slow enough to bypass the shield.

as for sovereigns shield, it would be ridiculous and pathetic if the shield was inches away, as any explosion would cause heat damage to the hull.

as you mentioned, yes, the covenant lasers would have the best chance at hurting a reaper, they travel fast enough and with such little mass to practically bypass the mass effect field (presumably) and I'd say could do the most damage to the kinetic shield, while some heat possibly passing through (due to the speed).
a plasma torpedo however, has alot of mass so would be most affected by the mass effect field and the kinetic barrier.

as for my link to the wiki page on heat. I was implying you should read about how heat travels and acts in different environments before you go saying heat can travel without mass (as the mass gets rejected by the kinetic barrier)
sending the wiki page wasn't to make me seem smart, it was to show you I actually read and can reference my claims.
I still don't see your references.


on a side note: you say this is hilarious yet you don't know why you're writing this, that's contradiction, if you were loving this so much you'd keep it going...

Weird how the latest stuff I remember was or made up (example: mass effect fields suddendly acting as shielding despite them never doing it in canon, just in your imagination) or speculation (example age of the Reapers) or just fanwank.

Please show me any source that mass effect fields act as shileding like you claim they do because they don't, they just manipulate wight of the Reaper so they can fly in atmosphere. Kinetic barriers act exactly like shields except they only stop kinetic energy.
You somehow imagined that mass effect fields are used to slow down projectiles which does not happen.

I never claimed they will, was just pointing it out.

Yet in ME1 he has it mere inches away from his hull, it is not a good idea seeing how kinetic barriers work, in fact it's plain retarded, but he still did had his shields like that.

The Point Defense laser and Energy Projectors wouldn't just have a "chance" to bypass kinetic barriers, THEY TRAVEL WITH THE SPEED OF LIGHT, THEY HAVE NO MASS.

Because I'm noth bothering to post them until you post a argument that I don't have classified as classic MEtard -blam!-.

I find your posts hilarious, but I am asking myself why am I responding to them while I know it's futile. Which I explain to myslf that I am bored and are in the mood for this.


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Posted by: fsabran

Posted by: jakemaidment

one rebelion only grunt rebelion Epic Fail
sorry, my bad, I meant age of conflict http://www.halopedian.com/Age_of_Conflict
the 39th age of conflict was the grunt rebellion, this is before the great schism, you know, where the covenant broke apart in civil war?
yes but remenber the covenant was stable until an life changing discovery was made and even then if it wasn't for truth betry your allies police the covenant would have won the war. really if masster chief took five minutes longer to find regret humanity would have been exterminated

my point was that the covenant can barely keep themselves together, they were having civil wars LONG before they found humanity, I think the grunt rebellion was before they discovered humanity...
so that's 39 ages of conflict.
then a covenant shattering civil war when they found the halos

reapers "are each a nation, independent, free of all weakness"

seriously though, straight from the start, which do you fear more?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JvrIFIjTGt0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPEYImyvKBY
sovereign or truth?
sovereign was "the first fictional character to make your life seem so insignificant"
and he had the firepower to back it up

ut the thing is, this is a VS battle, the polictical situation is not relevant. And you're overreacting, the Covenant worked fine and did destroy every rebellion, that's until the Sangheili left. The Great Schism was casued by an idiotic decison from Truth, it wouldn't have happend without that.

You claim to be a Halo fanboy, yet the way you wank the Reapers is just like ME fantards do.

The point of the Prophets was never to be intimidating in the first place, it's the Covenant you fear, not their leaders, it's even how the Covenant was build, the Sangheili did the fighting and Prophets were the brains.
And I would fear what Truth stands for more then what Sovereign stands for, but I guess its what you you fear more personally...

sovereign was "the first fictional character to make your life seem so insignificant"
Maybe for you, but hey, that's what opinions are for, just make sure to not state them as facts.

"and he had the firepower to back it up"
In universe? Definetly. Compared to other Sci-Fi? Nope.

Now just a small test, you agree that the Reapers would be slaughtered by both the Imperium of Man and Forerunner Ecumene, right?


in order:
about the mass effect fields being used as secondary shielding, I posted a link to the MEwiki, here's a snippet for you "Mass effect fields are also essential in the creation of shields to protect against enemy fire on the ground, and protect starships in planetary orbit or during space battles."
I'd advise reading the rest.

do you have any sources or references that a reapers kinetic shield is inches away from it's hull?
now would be a good time to whip out on of those sources you say you have plenty of.

the covenant laser DO have mass, they need it to carry the heat. I think you'll find it is most likely superheated gas, and before you say, YES, gases DO have mass...

all I was trying to say about their collapsing civilisation is that they often have petty squabbles among each other, like the constant elites vs brutes rivalry.
in a battle this will hinder their co-ordination, that was the covenants downfall in the human-covenant war.

the WHOLE point of truths message was to scare the humans, nothing more.

on your last point, I don't have a clue what the Imperium of Man is and I'm not about to make blind guesses on either side, as for forerunners, they would eventually beat the reapers, I really don't know how long it'd take, whether it's hours or weeks, but with metarch and above AI's and their ability to craft superweapons with ease, it'd be stupid to think they can't win, if worst comes to worst, they'll find SOME way of killing absolutely everything and simply reseeding the galaxy.
as far as I can compare, reaper shielding and forerunner shielding use the same mechanics, but I know for a fact forerunner alloy is damn-near indestrcutable

  • 09.11.2011 3:41 PM PDT



in order:
about the mass effect fields being used as secondary shielding, I posted a link to the MEwiki, here's a snippet for you "Mass effect fields are also essential in the creation of shields to protect against enemy fire on the ground, and protect starships in planetary orbit or during space battles."
I'd advise reading the rest.

do you have any sources or references that a reapers kinetic shield is inches away from it's hull?
now would be a good time to whip out on of those sources you say you have plenty of.

the covenant laser DO have mass, they need it to carry the heat. I think you'll find it is most likely superheated gas, and before you say, YES, gases DO have mass...

all I was trying to say about their collapsing civilisation is that they often have petty squabbles among each other, like the constant elites vs brutes rivalry.
in a battle this will hinder their co-ordination, that was the covenants downfall in the human-covenant war.

the WHOLE point of truths message was to scare the humans, nothing more.

on your last point, I don't have a clue what the Imperium of Man is and I'm not about to make blind guesses on either side, as for forerunners, they would eventually beat the reapers, I really don't know how long it'd take, whether it's hours or weeks, but with metarch and above AI's and their ability to craft superweapons with ease, it'd be stupid to think they can't win, if worst comes to worst, they'll find SOME way of killing absolutely everything and simply reseeding the galaxy.
as far as I can compare, reaper shielding and forerunner shielding use the same mechanics, but I know for a fact forerunner alloy is damn-near indestrcutable

They mean kinetic barriers. And is still have to see any actual proof that they can stop weapons with it.
No thanks, I read it already in the codex, back in the games.

Watch the godamn video of the Battle of Citadel, you can see it hits impacting directly on it's hull and he had his shields turned on then.

No idiot, a laser is a laser, it does not fire superheated gas, it fires a beam of light, just like Forerunner light weapons.


Except that this is not relevant to a space battle, they had their own ships. And they don't need alot of co-ordination to defeate the Reapers, just aim the energy projectors and snipe them.

You think it's the Truth people fear? No they don't, they fear the Covenant, his message just served to remember everyone that the Covenant is coming and you an't do anything against it.

Thank you for your test and confirmed to being a MEtard, not the worst kind, but still a MEtard. I especially liked this part: as far as I can compare, reaper shielding and forerunner shielding use the same mechanics, but I know for a fact forerunner alloy is damn-near indestrcutable
Hmmm, I never knew hard light shields and kinetic barriers are the same even while they are completly different! Thank you for this enlightment!
And Forerunners not only have ridiclously powerful weapons, they are all light weapons. inb4 NO, IT'S SAID IT FIRES BEAMS OF LIGHT, BUT IT IS ACTUALLY SUPERHEATED GAS!!!
Also inb4 FICTION HAS TO BE 100% REALISTIC

Now since I'm sure you're an MEtard and arguing with them is pointless and this hasn't shown otherwise I'm done with this thread for now, have fun making up more stuff about the Reapers!


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  • 09.11.2011 4:08 PM PDT


Posted by: jakemaidment

oh my god do you have a mental ilnes forehuner shielding is diferent from Kinectic barriers forehuner shielding can deflect plasma also Covenant shields can deflect slow moving objects example try beating an elite

forerunner shielding as far as we know is kinetic as described in Ghosts of onyx. http://www.halopedian.com/Onyx_Sentinel
the forerunner shielding deflecting plasma is it deflecting the mass of the plasma, the heat energy still passes through but can't travel very far without the mass of the plasma.
covenant shielding isn't kinetic, it's always active, it doesn't deflect anything (like kinetic does) it takes damage from everything that hits it, this is why they overload and disperse.
http://www.halopedian.com/Energy_shield


And.....who do you think invented the Covenant's energy shielding fool?

Forerunners. read: all Covenant tech is reverse engineered Forerunner tech, operationg at a fraction of its full power The Onyx Sentinels were unique, as defenders of the Micro Dyson Sphere. They had unique properties and abilities.


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  • 09.11.2011 4:21 PM PDT

Roberto, me and some friends would love the source of "Cortana being able to calculate every atom in the universe."

  • 09.11.2011 5:00 PM PDT


Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Roberto, me and some friends would love the source of "Cortana being able to calculate every atom in the universe."


hotshot posted the link, which is one of a calculation regarding her ability to crack a certain modulating security system. I've said it before cmdr and I'll say it again: I never post anything without a reason. If you'll actually read the posts before asking or calling someone out, you'd be amazed what you'll find.

As a matter of fact, if I recall correctly, what you read, being able to calc. every atom in the universe was a direct quote from the paragraph that calculated her processing power, not my words.

[Edited on 09.11.2011 5:08 PM PDT]

  • 09.11.2011 5:06 PM PDT


Posted by: ROBERTO jh

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Roberto, me and some friends would love the source of "Cortana being able to calculate every atom in the universe."


hotshot posted the link, which is one of a calculation regarding her ability to crack a certain modulating security system. I've said it before cmdr and I'll say it again: I never post anything without a reason. If you'll actually read the posts before asking or calling someone out, you'd be amazed what you'll find.

As a matter of fact, if I recall correctly, what you read, being able to calc. every atom in the universe was a direct quote from the paragraph that calculated her processing power, not my words.


Hotshot might've posted the link, but I don't know where and don't feel like digging it up. What's so hard about posting it here?

  • 09.11.2011 5:12 PM PDT

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Not all the forerruner weaponry is hard-light.
Sentinel beams ammunition is based on negatively charged ions with low resource expenditure, shaped and directed into a beam of superheated particles. When attached to a sentinel, a sentinel beam can fire indefinitely. They also use pulse beams, and missiles
Kinetic shields =/= agressor/onyx sentinels.
They may function a bit similary but they're not the same thing.
Forerunners use a lot of energy fields.
They have repulsive energy fields, I guess they could repel bullets or perhaps plasma. They have their buffer fields, but also they have shields more like the ones we're used to. Guilty sparks has those and those ones are strooong. They have N-barriers, energy films and sevral other kinds.

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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: ROBERTO jh

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Roberto, me and some friends would love the source of "Cortana being able to calculate every atom in the universe."


hotshot posted the link, which is one of a calculation regarding her ability to crack a certain modulating security system. I've said it before cmdr and I'll say it again: I never post anything without a reason. If you'll actually read the posts before asking or calling someone out, you'd be amazed what you'll find.

As a matter of fact, if I recall correctly, what you read, being able to calc. every atom in the universe was a direct quote from the paragraph that calculated her processing power, not my words.


Hotshot might've posted the link, but I don't know where and don't feel like digging it up. What's so hard about posting it here?


Here,the page before can be handy too.
http://forums.spacebattles.com/showthread.php?t=179618&pa ge=6

  • 09.11.2011 10:16 PM PDT



wait, hang on, since when could forerunners manipulate galaxies like that? I knew they could create planets and creatures, but never once have I heard they can spin a galaxy around willy-nilly.
can someone reference this???


There is none. It is bull#t that someone pulled out of someone's a##hole to distort the truth. What really confuses me is how ignorant people can really be. I mean, I came into this thread to calmly and reasonable argue my point of view, but these people completely and totally ignored points of *common sense* presented to them in bold and italics so that they can substitute and fabricate them with their own over analyzed, over thought, over explained completely and blatantly ridiculous claims to support their own argument unrestrained. When people do that I am inclined to yell at my computer screen in confusion, hopelessness, and pure hatred of what the human race has become.

I am dreadfully sorry OP, that you had to witness the utter disgrace, and retardation, that is the majority of the Halo fan base.

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  • 09.11.2011 10:24 PM PDT
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wait, hang on, since when could forerunners manipulate galaxies like that? I knew they could create planets and creatures, but never once have I heard they can spin a galaxy around willy-nilly.
can someone reference this???


There is none. It is bull#t that someone pulled out of someone's a##hole to distort the truth. What really confuses me is how ignorant people can really be. I mean, I came into this thread to calmly and reasonable argue my point of view, but these people completely and totally ignored points of *common sense* presented to them in bold and italics so that they can substitute and fabricate them with their own over analyzed, over thought, over explained completely and blatantly ridiculous claims to support their own argument unrestrained. When people do that I am inclined to yell at my computer screen in confusion, hopelessness, and pure hatred of what the human race has become.

I am dreadfully sorry OP, that you had to witness the utter disgrace, and retardation, that is the majority of the Halo fan base.


You fool. They did contemplate to change the axis of entire galaxies:

pg 100 Cryptum:
From those inner secrets, the Forerunners have prodded sufficient power to change the shape of worlds,move stars, and even to contemplate -blam!-ing the axes of entire galaxies. We have explored other realities, other spaces - slipspace, denial of locale, shunspace, trick geodetics, natal void, the photon-only realm the Glow.


And what "common sense " did you brough in here?The BS that Reapers lived ages before the start of the universe??
You did an amazing job at describing yourselfs in that post of yours.

  • 09.11.2011 10:41 PM PDT


Posted by: hotshot revan II

Posted by: ThePredkiller2


wait, hang on, since when could forerunners manipulate galaxies like that? I knew they could create planets and creatures, but never once have I heard they can spin a galaxy around willy-nilly.
can someone reference this???


There is none. It is bull#t that someone pulled out of someone's a##hole to distort the truth. What really confuses me is how ignorant people can really be. I mean, I came into this thread to calmly and reasonable argue my point of view, but these people completely and totally ignored points of *common sense* presented to them in bold and italics so that they can substitute and fabricate them with their own over analyzed, over thought, over explained completely and blatantly ridiculous claims to support their own argument unrestrained. When people do that I am inclined to yell at my computer screen in confusion, hopelessness, and pure hatred of what the human race has become.

I am dreadfully sorry OP, that you had to witness the utter disgrace, and retardation, that is the majority of the Halo fan base.


You fool. They did contemplate to change the axis of entire galaxies:

pg 100 Cryptum:
From those inner secrets, the Forerunners have prodded sufficient power to change the shape of worlds,move stars, and even to contemplate -blam!-ing the axes of entire galaxies. We have explored other realities, other spaces - slipspace, denial of locale, shunspace, trick geodetics, natal void, the photon-only realm the Glow.


And what "common sense " did you brough in here?The BS that Reapers lived ages before the start of the universe??
You did an amazing job at describing yourselfs in that post of yours.


Nice source material regarding the Forerunners 'blam!ing' the axes of galaxys.

To the latter, exactly my point. Right over your head kid.

By the way, go back to grade school and learn proper grammar and I just might take you seriously for once. (That goes for 90 percent or more of this forum's populace.)

  • 09.11.2011 10:49 PM PDT

Anyways, to be back on topic (my claims will probably be ignored anyway, but what the hell can you do)

Actually Reaper tech is almost certainly superior to Covenant technology...they simply don't have the same number of ridiculous high-end firepower calcs.

If the Reapers had even a single instance of rough parity with average-to-high-end calcs for the Covenant then it would be a raepstomp of rather epic proportions. Reapers outnumber them, the "slower FTL" is frankly bull-blam!- considering the Reapers *made* FTL stations that can cause ships to travel from one spiral arm of the galaxy to a different one *instantly* and from the area of the Omega 4 relay (middle of one of the spiral arms roughly) to the galactic center *instantly*. Thus, Covenant having faster FTL is quite honestly a stupid claim when the Reapers have demonstrated quite obviously their own superior FTL drives.

Also, indoctrinazation. The Covenant see a Reaper, they board it thinking it might be a Forerunner artefact. They become the Reapers slaves and the ship they were on (due to their super-rigid chain of command) is now completely compremised. Cue the Reaper ass-raping the Covenant networks and stealing any and all technology that it deems useful, and then using said tech against the Covenant.

In the end, the Reapers *will* win, its just a matter of time, and subtlety. Both of which the Reapers have in spades.

The idea that the Reapers, beings that have exterminated countless sapient (and potentially galaxy spanning) empires and races over potentially hundreds of millions of years *not* being good at tactics is simply ludicrous. The idea that the Elites could rival the Reapers in fleet tactics given the *huge* disparity in experiance and actual time fighting *and* huge difference in sheer cognitive speed is stimply stupid.

Reapers > Covenant in basically everything except high-end firepower calcs. Given the more reasonable calcs the Covenant get steamrolled. Only by use of the super-high clacs do the Covenant stand any chance at all.

Also, the OP doesn't specifiy that the battle must be concluded in the opening fight. The Reapers aren't dumb, and they aren't foolish. If they don't think they can win the fight they will leave and then spend a few hundred (or thousand) years waiting and setting up the downfall of the Covenant. Meanwhile, the Covenant will have largely forgotten about the Reapers right up until the Reapers show up and steamroll them.

Also, ironically if the Reapers just leave they are quite likely to win in the long term anyway because the ultimate goal of the Covenant is to wipe out all sentient organic life in the galaxy (even if they don't realize it) which ironically enough doesn't include the Reapers.

  • 09.11.2011 11:01 PM PDT
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Posted by: ThePredkiller2


hotshot revan II
pg 100 Cryptum:
From those inner secrets, the Forerunners have prodded sufficient power to change the shape of worlds,move stars, and even to contemplate -blam!-ing the axes of entire galaxies. We have explored other realities, other spaces - slipspace, denial of locale, shunspace, trick geodetics, natal void, the photon-only realm the Glow.


And what "common sense " did you brough in here?The BS that Reapers lived ages before the start of the universe??
You did an amazing job at describing yourselfs in that post of yours.


Nice source material regarding the Forerunners 'blam!ing' the axes of galaxys.

To the latter, exactly my point. Right over your head kid.

By the way, go back to grade school and learn proper grammar and I just might take you seriously for once. (That goes for 90 percent or more of this forum's populace.)


Um, do you realize that it is confirmed that Forerunners are capable of tweaking the axis of the galaxy? You'll have to accept that Forerunners are capable to do that. End of story.

And do you realize that this is SCIENCE FICTION?! Maybe you should go check on dictionary for Science fiction, I dont think you know what it means.

IN case, I shall post a meaning.

science fiction-

a form of fiction that draws imaginatively on scientific knowledge and speculation in its plot, setting, theme, etc.


Notice a word of "fiction". In case again, you probably don't understand what "fiction" means so I'll explain this.

fiction-

the class of literature comprising works of imaginative narration, especially in prose form.


So if you don't like Halo anymore because of that Forerunners then you aren't a real Halo fan thus you should be not here. This universe forums is discussing about Halo.

And we already know that Forerunners will curbstomp Reapers while Covenant wipes out reapers easily. Reality is that Reapers have no chance, period.

You and that jake guy is just being Mass Effect fanboy.

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  • 09.11.2011 11:30 PM PDT

I'll say what I said in a conversation, regardless of tech (throwing all that out), the Reapers would lose.

Why? Because even if they got a map of every Covenant world, they could not destroy the leadership of the Covenant. High Charity could not be easily tracked, and if the Covenant brought every ship with it... They could keep on the move and slowly wear down the Reapers.

Oh, and on that Space battles link they make points AGAINST Cortana being able to hack through that encryption, or that she didn't. Still doesn't prove she can calculate every atom in the universe from the limited sensor net of MJOLNIR Mark V.

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Um, do you realize that it is confirmed that Forerunners are capable of tweaking the axis of the galaxy? You'll have to accept that Forerunners are capable to do that. End of story.

And do you realize that this is SCIENCE FICTION?! Maybe you should go check on dictionary for Science fiction, I dont think you know what it means.

IN case, I shall post a meaning.

science fiction-

a form of fiction that draws imaginatively on scientific knowledge and speculation in its plot, setting, theme, etc.


Notice a word of "fiction". In case again, you probably don't understand what "fiction" means so I'll explain this.

fiction-

the class of literature comprising works of imaginative narration, especially in prose form.


So if you don't like Halo anymore because of that Forerunners then you aren't a real Halo fan thus you should be not here. This universe forums is discussing about Halo.

And we already know that Forerunners will curbstomp Reapers while Covenant wipes out reapers easily. Reality is that Reapers have no chance, period.

You and that jake guy is just being Mass Effect fanboy.

there's a difference between science fiction and utterly ridiculous.
I always enjoyed the halo storyline because it wasn't clogged up with unexplained -blam!- they explained how just about every UNSC weapon works, rough explanations on how covenant tech works (superheated gas, ionised radiation rounds, accelerated particle beams) they even worked out how a waterfall would act on a ringworld the size of a halo (from the book 'Halo effect' I believe)

fair enough the forerunner can build artificial worlds and such, I'd probably even believe they could alter the axis of a galaxy, but to actually consider doing it is ridiculous, it's fine theorising it, but to put that forward as an offensive is where it drops out of 'science fiction' and into 'plain retarded'

  • 09.12.2011 5:20 AM PDT

Welcome to bungie, you have no rights. play nice!
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You can't rule out a valid tactic just because you don't like it.
Admit your defeat, stop trying to find excuses.
Why hasn't pred been banned yet?

You're not welcome on the halo waypoint forums.

  • 09.12.2011 8:06 AM PDT