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Subject: The Reapers>The Covenant.

In my last post (way back), I was told that kinetic barriers can defend from plasma, and that I know, but i didn't say plasma, I was referencing to the Covenant's Pulse laser turrets. Lasers.
Kinetic barriers Ineffective!

  • 09.17.2011 9:47 PM PDT
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Posted by: ThePredkiller2

And imagine the firepower that species that the Reapers STILL DEFEATED in the end, possessed. I think they would give the Forerunners a run for their money, considering the fact I don't ever remember the Forerunners possessing weapons that could splinter entire planets with one shot.


The Forerunners had ground forces that could do that.

wait a sec, are we talking about Forerunners or Saiyans here?

  • 09.18.2011 6:55 AM PDT


Posted by: jakemaidment

Posted by: The Ultra

Posted by: ThePredkiller2

And imagine the firepower that species that the Reapers STILL DEFEATED in the end, possessed. I think they would give the Forerunners a run for their money, considering the fact I don't ever remember the Forerunners possessing weapons that could splinter entire planets with one shot.


The Forerunners had ground forces that could do that.

wait a sec, are we talking about Forerunners or Saiyans here?


Forerunners used combat suits, such as War Sphinxes and Seekers (yes, I looked it up, they are indeed classified as combat suits rather then something like aerial superiority mechs or space fighters) that had been capable of uprooting cities, blowing craters into planets and even ripping off slabs of crust, turning them around slamming them to the ground upside down.

War Sphinxes were older, more primitive models, that could "sweep continents and decimate cities." In the book the Planet Janjur Qom had raging fire hurricanes, atmosphere choked with ash in what must have looked like a brutal string of volcanic super combustions, all caused by weapons so small they could not be seen from high atmosphere (or in other words, not Forerunner warships, the size of which sometimes reached 100 km. Those bastardizations of the word "fair" could quite easily blow an entire planet apart with the inferior Forerunner cruisers having calculated firepower ranges of about 330 terratons).

I do want to stress a lot of this is not my own words, I'm just citing what happened in the book or was otherwise calculated by people with a mind for math (or easy access to stardestroyer.net force calculator).

Anyway, we're not bull -blam!- ing you when we say that the Forerunners would take the entire Reaper fleet without losing a single one of their ships (and don't even get me started on the size of the Forerunner fleet).

[Edited on 09.18.2011 7:15 AM PDT]

  • 09.18.2011 7:12 AM PDT
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Do not waste your tears, I was not born to watch the world grow dim. Life is not measured in years, but by the deeds of men.

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We should know better, because we are better.


Posted by: ROBERTO jh

Except we are not talking about the Forerunners, we are talking about the Covenant. To be honest, I find those numbers ridiculous, any handheld weapon (or suit mounted) that can cause that sort of damage would commonly cause the user to get caught in the blast. I don't see the Covenant splintering planets.

  • 09.18.2011 9:09 AM PDT

"Sweep continents" was also decided that due to context, it means speed, not firepower.

  • 09.18.2011 10:07 AM PDT

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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
"Sweep continents" was also decided that due to context, it means speed, not firepower.

I think so too. I mean if it did mean firepower then the following phrase "destroy entire cities" would be redundant, because it is a sure bet without needing to be pointed out that any cities on those continents would be destroyed.

  • 09.18.2011 10:29 AM PDT


Posted by: anton1792
Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
"Sweep continents" was also decided that due to context, it means speed, not firepower.

I think so too. I mean if it did mean firepower then the following phrase "destroy entire cities" would be redundant, because it is a sure bet without needing to be pointed out that any cities on those continents would be destroyed.


Yeah, as you've read cryptum can you confirm/deny that seekers claim?

I mean, a infantry person doing that is just insane... The original description I remember hearing is something about giant spikes, which sound like a fighter/small ship or something launched from a ship, and not a personal battlesuit.

  • 09.18.2011 10:40 AM PDT

Never take life seriously. No one gets out alive anyway.

Are we talking about the Reapers from Mass Effect?


If so, just pop a couple MAC rounds in them from a UNSC Frigate and be done with it... or if you want to be complicated and more.... flashy.

Highjack a Covenant Starship using only a rock and a blade of grass and 10 minutes of oxygen, then fly it straight into the Reaper vessel firing all weapons at the same time and jumping out at the last second, using the blast as a source of momentum and plummeting towards Earth or any other hospitable planet.

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  • 09.18.2011 11:04 AM PDT

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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Yeah, as you've read cryptum can you confirm/deny that seekers claim?

I would need a page number. I don't remember it all that well tbh.

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
I mean, a infantry person doing that is just insane... The original description I remember hearing is something about giant spikes, which sound like a fighter/small ship or something launched from a ship, and not a personal battlesuit.

If this is about that scene where Born observes the crust being overturned, it was described as gigantic stamplike divots. The ones doing the cutting were described as being warrior craft and automated weapons systems. That could be anything from ships to sentinels - we don't know.

Having small infantry class suits overturn entire sections of the crust makes zero sense anyway. Whoever said it should feel bad.

  • 09.18.2011 11:13 AM PDT


Posted by: Dethslayer7
Are we talking about the Reapers from Mass Effect?


If so, just pop a couple MAC rounds in them from a UNSC Frigate and be done with it... or if you want to be complicated and more.... flashy.

Highjack a Covenant Starship using only a rock and a blade of grass and 10 minutes of oxygen, then fly it straight into the Reaper vessel firing all weapons at the same time and jumping out at the last second, using the blast as a source of momentum and plummeting towards Earth or any other hospitable planet.


MAC's fire the very thing kinetic barriers protect against...

Either way, as XD said, Why are you all even talking about UNSC and Forerunners, the topic is Reapers vs COVENANT, not Reapers vs HALO.

  • 09.18.2011 11:38 AM PDT


Posted by: Fin5434p

So, you have a chip on your shoulder, nice to know I guess, you'll be approaching the discussion from the "decide which side I want to win then fudge the numbers till it does" angle then?

Could you please post the source on these numbers?


Mass Effect: Revelation and Mass Effect: Ascension. Can't recall page numbers all to well, I simply read and record information. If you have a source that says something contradictory to mine, I would be interested.


Reference please.


Halo: The Flood. Like I said though, the page numbers escape me.


Well they are certainly better protection against a wide range of threats. If you assume absolute lowest-end numbers for the Covenant (ie: ignore each and every referance to Covenant warships setting worlds ablaze, or blasting city sized asteroids, and assume the supercarrier can barely move its own mass etc) then I'm sure you could construct an argument for that being the case.


It doesn't matter how much destruction they cause, that is simply brute force. It doesn't have to be as technologically advanced to be 'effective', a prime example is your own Halo universe's "Brutes" or Jiralhanae. But rest assured, with greater technology comes greater possibility. Mass Effect cores can accelerate anything with mass to close to the speed of light.


While a weakness it is such a minor one as to be negligible, it's a bit like saying a Knight in full plate has thin eyeslits to see through, so can be taken down at 500 paces with a well thrown coin.


Reapers are machines, if I were a Covenant ship's commanding officer, I wouldn't risk taking on a Reaper for that simple fact. Because they are machines. They think like machines. They can crunch numbers that we cannot even fathom, even more so considering the fact they are at least 37 million years old.

An army that bases its attack patterns on reliance of having to 'drop one's defenses to attack', even briefly, would stand next to zero percent chance of defeating the Reapers.

You may struggle as we know pretty much nothing about it, except the round must have been massive and made of some supermaterial.

I do not think you understand how mass effect fields work. In order to propel an object at superluminal speeds its mass must be decreased, meaning it was impossible that the round was very large at all. Not to mention mass accelerator rounds are designed to send 'kinetic' energy through an object, not blast straight through it like the primitive tech of the Halo universe.

Erm, no. Not by a long shot, the GBE of a planet like Klendagon is pretty huge, you are not going to be cracking planets with that one. Kill everything on the surface, sure.

See above.

Given the size of the rift, the round itself was probably much larger than the Reaper, I very much doubt it took the shot to the face...

See above.

For all we know that was a one-off superweapon. And we know nothing about the race that built it, or how they died.

And, likewise, for all we know, that could've been their commonplace infantry weaponry. Do you see what I did there? It is never said what it is, leaving it open to being taken advantage of by either party. This single argument I can use against everyone here.

And considering the fact that they were fighting the Reapers, and lost, I think its safe to assume they were swept aside, like so many others, by the Reapers, in one of their many genocidal galaxy wide rituals.

Their warships are capable of breaking worlds, their fleets can destroy entire star systems, they are way out of everyone we are discussing's league, best to leave them out of the discussion entirely.

Considering the fact that the Covenant derive their technology, vehicles, weapons, beliefs from the Forerunner, I would think it ignorant to leave them out of the discussion.

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PS: To further back up my argument against the Covenant, here is an excerpt of Sovereign's Codex Entry demonstrating his power.

The attack on Eden Prime demonstrated Sovereign's ability to generate mass effect fields powerful enough to land on a planetary surface. This implies it has a massive element zero core, and the ability to generate staggering amounts of power.

We may never know how truly strong the Reapers are, and that alone makes them more of a threat than the aptly recognizable Covenant.

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  • 09.18.2011 6:04 PM PDT
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Are we taking the super technical version of the Covenant in its prime or just the general prime of the Covenant? Because if it is the first, The covenant win, if it is the second, the Covenant lose.

  • 09.18.2011 9:27 PM PDT


Posted by: superiorarsenal
Are we taking the super technical version of the Covenant in its prime or just the general prime of the Covenant? Because if it is the first, The covenant win, if it is the second, the Covenant lose.


I guess it would depend. I assumed he meant before the Great Schism, which had a very shaky political infrastructure, and really all it would take is one Reaper getting through to one of the Prophet's utilizing indoctrination and the entire Covenant falls apart due to the Reapers simply breaking the Covenant from the inside out without even having to engage in direct combat.

But like a previous poster said, even in direct combat, due to the Reaper's superior understanding of theirs and their enemies' technology, and FTL, it would end up as no more than a Reaper game of 'whak a mole'

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  • 09.18.2011 10:53 PM PDT

No one can properly say how powerful the reapers are until mass effect 3 comes out, why? Because in mass effect 3 they could all get there asses handed to them because of a renegade soldier or they could win.

We don't know yet and we haven't seen enough of the reapers to judge them.

  • 09.19.2011 2:04 PM PDT


Posted by: ROBERTO jh
Ah yes, "Reapers" a race of mechanical sentient starships supposedly capable of defeating the Covenant.

We have dismissed that claim.
/ gives cookie

  • 09.19.2011 3:45 PM PDT