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Subject: Humvee vs Warthhog

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  • 07.31.2011 8:05 PM PDT

Warthhog, its higher agility makes up for its lack of protection.

  • 07.31.2011 8:07 PM PDT

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An armored humvee is more than a match for a (standard) warthog. Its occupants are much better protected than those in the warthog, so it will be able to absorb the rounds from the warthog while firing on the occupants.

A gauss round would punch clean through a humvee giving it a notable advantage.

The six shot firing rocket hog gives it an advantage against the single shot TOW launchers. The TOW is a powerful missile, capable of taking out a contemporary tank, so it is probable more than a match for a warthog. Rocket v. Rocket is up in the air.

  • 07.31.2011 8:15 PM PDT

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Hummers are not quite used for the same thing..


Also that chaingun would turn a hummer into swiss cheese.

[Edited on 07.31.2011 8:19 PM PDT]

  • 07.31.2011 8:19 PM PDT

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Posted by: Rebel Lore
Warthhog, its higher agility makes up for its lack of protection.


The Warthog may be faster and more agile, but it's also way too easy to lose control and it has a tendency to go airborne and flip if you hit even a tiny pebble while driving fast.

Humvees don't seem to have that problem.

  • 07.31.2011 8:20 PM PDT

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Posted by: Rebel Lore
Warthhog, its higher agility makes up for its lack of protection.


The Warthog may be faster and more agile, but it's also way too easy to lose control and it has a tendency to go airborne and flip if you hit even a tiny pebble while driving fast.

Humvees don't seem to have that problem.


thats just gameplay, if you tried doing those jumps in a Hummer it would break the axels instantly

  • 07.31.2011 8:22 PM PDT

Bad comparison, they're not really for the same thing. The Warthog is primarily a light reconnaisance vehicle, Humvees are used for a number of purposes.

  • 07.31.2011 8:41 PM PDT

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Humvee? Duh!?!

  • 07.31.2011 8:46 PM PDT

Hummer>Standard 'Hog

Hummer<Rocket Hog, unless he's a really good driver.

Hummer< Gauss 'Hog, with pieces of the Hummer and assorted body parts found strewn across the field.

  • 07.31.2011 8:46 PM PDT

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The M41 LAAG is the standard weaponry of the M12 Warthog LRV, although similar on the M312 Elephant HRVs, the Elephants fire rate is slightly more powerful. It is a triple-barreled, electric-powered, linkless, belt-fed weapon. It fires 450 to 550 12.7x99mm armor penetrating rounds per minute.[4] Turret traverse rate is 100 degrees per second and weapon elevation rate is 60 degrees per second. Recoil from sustained fire is prodigious and negatively impacts accuracy at long range. It also works quite well for taking out Banshees and other lightly-armored vehicles.


From the Wikia, so basically it's the same gun as the Hummer

  • 07.31.2011 8:52 PM PDT

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a humvee can be equipped with a automatice grenage launcher, or 50.cal maching gun, or even a mini gun that fires the 7.62mm nato.

  • 07.31.2011 9:08 PM PDT

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Posted by: ROBERTO jh
Hummer>Standard 'Hog

Hummer<Rocket Hog, unless he's a really good driver.

Hummer< Gauss 'Hog, with pieces of the Hummer and assorted body parts found strewn across the field.

Basically this.

Unless it's a rocket Humvee!

  • 07.31.2011 9:13 PM PDT
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Posted by: Makko Mace
The M41 LAAG is the standard weaponry of the M12 Warthog LRV, although similar on the M312 Elephant HRVs, the Elephants fire rate is slightly more powerful. It is a triple-barreled, electric-powered, linkless, belt-fed weapon. It fires 450 to 550 12.7x99mm armor penetrating rounds per minute.[4] Turret traverse rate is 100 degrees per second and weapon elevation rate is 60 degrees per second. Recoil from sustained fire is prodigious and negatively impacts accuracy at long range. It also works quite well for taking out Banshees and other lightly-armored vehicles.


From the Wikia, so basically it's the same gun as the Hummer
While the info is correct Makko, be sure to check the citing when using any of the Halopedias. I recently came to the realization that a large part of it is speculation with no sources, so I hope you don't take my post as a cold shoulder, or as me being mean. I'm, by all means, just trying to help out. ;)

[Edited on 07.31.2011 9:27 PM PDT]

  • 07.31.2011 9:16 PM PDT

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Posted by: Rebel Lore
Warthhog, its higher agility makes up for its lack of protection.
Until someone gets shot.
The .50cal gatling gun on a Hog fires the same ammunition as a Hummer's M2, it just fires it a lot faster - making it more effective in a one-on-one but far less effective as part of an army. The Hog's gunner is also even more exposed than the driver and passenger. Using the Warthog in a real war is a laughable concept.

  • 08.01.2011 2:06 AM PDT
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Posted by: Makko Mace
Also that chaingun would turn a hummer into swiss cheese.
I think that a .50 sitting on top of a Hummer would destroy the driver/gunner/passenger of the Warthog before they could spin up the chain gun.

(For clarification, that video is to show that the gun has no 'warm-up' before firing)

[Edited on 08.01.2011 2:27 AM PDT]

  • 08.01.2011 2:25 AM PDT

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I'm sadly relying on gameplay when I say this, but the turret rotation seems significantly easier on a Warthog than a Humvee. Aside from the Halo Wars cutscene (which could have implied the technology was not available at that time) the turret on a Warthog appears to be automated, like a segway. The Humvee turret looks like it requires you to manually step around and move the turret, and that seems like it could be cumbersome given the limited space.

So I take this into consideration because with the speed and agility of the Warthog, the gunner could easily turn the turret around and keep his sights fixed on the Humvee while the gunner on the humvee would have to constantly try to readjust himself in order to readjust his turret.

And then you combine the fact that the Warthogs opened-up design allows for a second gunner in the passenger seat. That gunner could be equipped with a wide range of weapons such as rockets, grenade launchers, grenades. All while have a wider range of mobility in the seat whereas someone in the Humvee would probably have to stick their gun out the window.

Bear in mind, I'm not sure how the Humvee operates so most of this is based off of what I see.

  • 08.01.2011 7:26 AM PDT

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Posted by: SSgt Shapiro
I'm sadly relying on gameplay when I say this, but the turret rotation seems significantly easier on a Warthog than a Humvee. Aside from the Halo Wars cutscene (which could have implied the technology was not available at that time) the turret on a Warthog appears to be automated, like a segway. The Humvee turret looks like it requires you to manually step around and move the turret, and that seems like it could be cumbersome given the limited space.

So I take this into consideration because with the speed and agility of the Warthog, the gunner could easily turn the turret around and keep his sights fixed on the Humvee while the gunner on the humvee would have to constantly try to readjust himself in order to readjust his turret.

And then you combine the fact that the Warthogs opened-up design allows for a second gunner in the passenger seat. That gunner could be equipped with a wide range of weapons such as rockets, grenade launchers, grenades. All while have a wider range of mobility in the seat whereas someone in the Humvee would probably have to stick their gun out the window.

Bear in mind, I'm not sure how the Humvee operates so most of this is based off of what I see.
Neither can defend against the other's weapon. They fire the same round at different firing rates and each can penetrate the other. But the Warthog's crew have no protection, regardless of how little it actually is on the Humvee.

The Warthog's gunner and passenger, in the real world, would probably fall off completely in a real battle.

  • 08.01.2011 7:33 AM PDT
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This thread is here to properly help those of you who wish to create a thread dedicated to one universe fight another universe. Examples include, but are not limited to Halo vs Star Wars, Halo vs Star Trek, and so on.

Over the Universe's history, we've had our fair share of vs threads. Though they are great fun, they quickly turn into a festering mess of angry fanboys fighting against other angry fanboys. It's not pretty.

Below are some basic ground rules to consider before making such a thread.

Rule #1

Set up the scenario.

Once you have your forces collected, you need to set the stage for your conflict. Typically a neutral location away from your faction's respective universes is ideal in case one side may have something special about their universe that gives them an unfair advantage.

Example: Star Wars' galaxy is surrounded by a hyperspace anomaly that prevents most of their forces from leaving. If it was Halo they were fighting, Halo could come or go as they please since exiting the Milky Way galaxy seems adapt at to that universe. Ignore the anomaly for Wars and then start fighting.

Rule #2

Bring in your units.

Before actually fighting though, you need to establish the units you are bringing it. If you feel it is necessary, bring in as many as you want. Once more people from the opposing side get their units down, the actual conflict can commence.

Rule #3

Keep up with the thread.

Nobody cares how much of an expert you are in any universe, keep up with the thread. If you are a newcomer and the thread in question is many pages in progress, start at the beginning. Nothing is more annoying than someone who comes into the thread without reading it and going "Halo beats all -blam!-es!". Such posts only create added tension to the thread.

Rule #4

Superweapons.

Pretty self-explanatory, things like the Halo rings, the Death Star, and so on are a tricky subject. While superweapons are part of sci-fi, the debate quickly becomes about them and them only. I would invalidate superweapons from participation, but if you are going to use them, make them logical. Don't say "I activate the Halo rings, Halo wins, debate over."

Rule #5

Know your stuff.

This should be obvious, but usually the smart people in the debate are drowned out by people who just spout random crap about the universe they are defending. This is where your sources come into play.

Use items like books, games, movies, and other media to make your argument about the power and efficiency of the vehicles, weapons, and forces at work in the debate. If you make a statement, provide the source of where you go it. That includes a quote, page number if it's a book or comic, or a video if it's a game or film.

Also, if the media in question has information about the weaknesses of your universes units, provide that too.

List of things not to do.

-If you do not understand the mechanics behind the universe that you are using (Mass Effect tech being based on Relays) then don't participate, even if your favorite universe is involved, ignorance is no excuse.

-If you are not going to accept the fact that your side might not win (Forerunners vs Xeelee or Reapers vs Forerunners) then don't participate. Covering your ears, or eyes in this case, and not accepting any opposing argument is not needed.

-Don't make a thread when it is obvious who would emerge victorious. (Forerunners vs Ewoks)

Conclusion

In conclusion, I hope those of you interested in vs threads read this and come away with something. When done right such threads can be fun mental exercises and a way to show your stuff, but that isn't always the case. Hope this helps.

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  • 08.01.2011 7:33 AM PDT

Are you threating me?!!??

You need to be more specific.A Halo 1 warthog would -blam!- up a humvee.Also a Rocket hog and a guass hog would.Humvee would take out a standard not Halo 1 warthog.

  • 08.01.2011 7:47 AM PDT

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Posted by: SSgt Shapiro
I'm sadly relying on gameplay when I say this, but the turret rotation seems significantly easier on a Warthog than a Humvee. Aside from the Halo Wars cutscene (which could have implied the technology was not available at that time) the turret on a Warthog appears to be automated, like a segway. The Humvee turret looks like it requires you to manually step around and move the turret, and that seems like it could be cumbersome given the limited space.

So I take this into consideration because with the speed and agility of the Warthog, the gunner could easily turn the turret around and keep his sights fixed on the Humvee while the gunner on the humvee would have to constantly try to readjust himself in order to readjust his turret.

And then you combine the fact that the Warthogs opened-up design allows for a second gunner in the passenger seat. That gunner could be equipped with a wide range of weapons such as rockets, grenade launchers, grenades. All while have a wider range of mobility in the seat whereas someone in the Humvee would probably have to stick their gun out the window.

Bear in mind, I'm not sure how the Humvee operates so most of this is based off of what I see.
Neither can defend against the other's weapon. They fire the same round at different firing rates and each can penetrate the other. But the Warthog's crew have no protection, regardless of how little it actually is on the Humvee.

The Warthog's gunner and passenger, in the real world, would probably fall off completely in a real battle.


I know, that's the thing. I'm sure the turret has foot holds that act in some manner to hold the gunner, but if the Hog goes up in the air and upside down, he's trapped unless he can free himself from those holds. Oh, and does the turret on the Humvee have the ability to turn a full 360 degrees? Because the Warthog could just swing around it's backside and the gunner on the Humvee would have no chance.

  • 08.01.2011 8:19 AM PDT

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The Warthog's speed is its defense

  • 08.01.2011 8:28 AM PDT

The Humvee gunner I see in that video is just as exposed as a warthog gunner. Side-seat passenger headshots the humvee gunner, and it's screwed.

Then again, it boils down to the SAME old fact. The warthog and humvee are not built for the same thing.

Oh! The warthog can also shoot out the humvee's tires.

[Edited on 08.01.2011 9:09 AM PDT]

  • 08.01.2011 9:08 AM PDT
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Humvee, the Warthog is the worst design for a combat vehicle ever.. it seems impossible to stand on the back of a truck unless it has some kind of support to hold you up.

  • 08.01.2011 9:25 AM PDT

Sigh...

Regardless, the Humvee is a utility/armored car. The warthog is a recon vehicle and fast attack.

How about you compare two vehicles which actually fit in the same role?

  • 08.01.2011 9:39 AM PDT

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The hog has speed and agilty and more firepower...

While the humvee has better protection for its driver...

And if i may say, the hog looks better.

  • 08.01.2011 12:26 PM PDT