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Subject: Why john must not die but retire and live a normal life.

"I may not be perfect, but always been true."

He likes the military, so he must die in the military.

  • 08.02.2011 10:23 AM PDT


Posted by: antonio the bomb

Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: antonio the bomb

Posted by: Omega Ultimus
First off, do you REALLY think that MC can live a normal life, after all his years of war, encountering the Flood (possible he is slightly insane). Heck, I doubt he ever returns to Earth or even the UNSC colonies. Cortana would be shut down if she ever returned to the UNSC, after all of her data has been extracted. Oh, and when your brother said he would burn all of his Halo stuff if MC died, it sounded like MC was "taking his talents to south beach". But, really, what do YOU think he would do if he lived. If you were seriously thinking paragraph 2 was a possibility, then my theories of rapid de-evolution of humanity have finally been confirmed. I am ready to bow down to our Ape overlords.


Lol nice argument. I also said I kind of doubt paragraph 2. And poor cortana. Chief will be sad. And sure he can live a normal life. One maria was able to do it. And two even though he's faced the worst enemies in the galaxy and has been fighting them for decades john hasn't just had a tough body he's also had a tough mind. I gurantee he can keep his sanity.

Also spartans are made to adapt to even the most unfamiliar environments and battlefields. I'm pretty sure he can adapt to living a regular life. Anyway the whope point of it is to aee what he has preserved and protected. And decide whether it was worth going through all that pain.


Have you ever read the books? John is absolutely TERRIFIED of the Flood. His sanity is the one thing I know isn't stable.


Its like you ignored me saying he has a tough mind. He is terrified of the flood. I've read the books. But there's no where said he broke. No I think john can overcome that and live a normal life. If he starts to go insane he can go for therapy. Hell recover.

Look I could go on all day countering every argument you make but you know I'm rite. John can live a normal life. You just want him to have the typical die a hero crap. Look I don't even mean they seriously make a three hundred page book about him living in the suburbs. Its just hinted in a journal or book. Like " Its been three years and John impressively has been able to live a normal life. Just like maria."


The Encyclopedia straight up says he's likely been deeply traumatized by his experiences, though he doesn't show it.....

  • 08.02.2011 10:23 AM PDT

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Posted by: antonio the bomb
Its like you ignored me saying he has a tough mind. He is terrified of the flood. I've read the books. But there's no where said he broke. No I think john can overcome that and live a normal life. If he starts to go insane he can go for therapy. Hell recover.

Look I could go on all day countering every argument you make but you know I'm rite. John can live a normal life. You just want him to have the typical die a hero crap. Look I don't even mean they seriously make a three hundred page book about him living in the suburbs. Its just hinted in a journal or book. Like " Its been three years and John impressively has been able to live a normal life. Just like maria."


What therapist an possibly help cure him of PTSD brought on by a intergalactic parasite that devours all sentient that claimed many of your allies?

I also never said kill him, I said let him go with the Forerunners and then shelve his character for good, thus keeping his end mysterious and keeping it that way so every fan can speculate on his new life.

  • 08.02.2011 10:23 AM PDT
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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?


Posted by: antonio the bomb

Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: antonio the bomb

Posted by: Omega Ultimus
First off, do you REALLY think that MC can live a normal life, after all his years of war, encountering the Flood (possible he is slightly insane). Heck, I doubt he ever returns to Earth or even the UNSC colonies. Cortana would be shut down if she ever returned to the UNSC, after all of her data has been extracted. Oh, and when your brother said he would burn all of his Halo stuff if MC died, it sounded like MC was "taking his talents to south beach". But, really, what do YOU think he would do if he lived. If you were seriously thinking paragraph 2 was a possibility, then my theories of rapid de-evolution of humanity have finally been confirmed. I am ready to bow down to our Ape overlords.


Lol nice argument. I also said I kind of doubt paragraph 2. And poor cortana. Chief will be sad. And sure he can live a normal life. One maria was able to do it. And two even though he's faced the worst enemies in the galaxy and has been fighting them for decades john hasn't just had a tough body he's also had a tough mind. I gurantee he can keep his sanity.

Also spartans are made to adapt to even the most unfamiliar environments and battlefields. I'm pretty sure he can adapt to living a regular life. Anyway the whope point of it is to aee what he has preserved and protected. And decide whether it was worth going through all that pain.


Have you ever read the books? John is absolutely TERRIFIED of the Flood. His sanity is the one thing I know isn't stable.


Its like you ignored me saying he has a tough mind. He is terrified of the flood. I've read the books. But there's no where said he broke. No I think john can overcome that and live a normal life. If he starts to go insane he can go for therapy. Hell recover.

Look I could go on all day countering every argument you make but you know I'm rite. John can live a normal life. You just want him to have the typical die a hero crap. Look I don't even mean they seriously make a three hundred page book about him living in the suburbs. Its just hinted in a journal or book. Like " Its been three years and John impressively has been able to live a normal life. Just like maria."


So you read "the flood" yet do not remember him freaking out when first fighting them and WISHING that cortana was with him?

How you you "rite" when you can't even spell?


and if you say "maria" one more time, just one more time, i am going to pm every single mod to get this thread locked.

  • 08.02.2011 10:24 AM PDT

We kill that which we do not understand...and then promptly tea-bag it.

How exactly are you comparing the two? I personally liked Iron Man (the movies are meh), but yes Dr. M is way more complex, even though he is morally incompetent. He is still human BTW, and that's why he can never truly be a God. Not contesting you Grey. because I know you will hunt me down and rip out my skull and spine as a trophy (metaphor...I hope). Just saying that your example may be misinterpreted by others who don't even know what Dr. M is (a soda perhaps?).

[Edited on 08.02.2011 10:26 AM PDT]

  • 08.02.2011 10:25 AM PDT


Posted by: Omega Ultimus
How exactly are you comparing the two? I personally liked Iron Man (the movies are meh), but yes Dr. M is way more complex, even though he is morally incompetent. He is still human BTW, and that's why he can never truly be a God. Not contesting you Grey. because I know you will hunt me down and rip out my skull and spine as a trophy (metaphor...I hope). Just saying that your example may be misinterpreted by others who don't even know what Dr. M is (a soda perhaps?).


It depends on your interpretation of a God. For example, morally incompetant Greek Gods or ideal Christain God?

  • 08.02.2011 10:27 AM PDT
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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?


Posted by: Omega Ultimus
How exactly are you comparing the two? I personally liked Iron Man (the movies are meh), but yes Dr. M is way more complex, even though he is morally incompetent. H


Thats the point i am trying to get across since seal compared halo and harry potter

  • 08.02.2011 10:27 AM PDT

Which one's Halo and which one's Harry Potter? Iron Man or Dr. M?

  • 08.02.2011 10:28 AM PDT

Ahh it's you. Been a while hasn't it? We WILL finish this.


Just you wait.


Posted by: grey101

Posted by: antonio the bomb

Posted by: grey101

Posted by: antonio the bomb

[quote]Posted by: ajw34307
No, he should die. I've had enough of these "happy endings", they always end the same. John must die in order to prove Halo is truly different from everything else, the hero we've been with for so long must go out with a bang rather than settle down because that's not going to be possible for a Spartan to have a happily ever after. They are indoctrinated into warfare, they know nothing else. I do not want to see The Sims: Halo Edition popping up in 6 years time.


One there will be no such game as that. And two big deal maria was able to live a normal life.


you clearly don't watch tv, movies, or video games if you just said that.

We don't know WHY maria was retired, it could be an ONI experiment for all we know so don't use that as an example.


One why would 343 screw us and make something that retarded. I can gurantee that will never happen. And so what if maria retiring was just ONI. The point is she was able to do it. Able to get a job meet a man( although secks must have been painful) and become a loving mother.

John could do this too.


so chief "settling down" and having a wife,kids etc is more satisfying to you Than just being killed? you do understand that if he isn't killed HE WILL BE MILKED and you can't "guarantee" anything. you can't even spell the word,lol.

for the last time nothing was ever elaborated about her, when was it said she was a mom? i want a link

are you a child or an extremely emotional girl that is a hopeless romantic?[/
quote] No I'm not a child and I don't want to put romance in any halo title. and it said in the halo encyclopedia she was able to be a mother. And yes I would much rather prefer John retiring than the super predictable typical die a hero ending. And the guy who told me I should just give up this thread you can suck it. I can counter every post put here.

And I'm sure a good amount of halo fans will be okay with john retiring. Its no big deal unless there's some stupid book all about how he's living a normal life.

  • 08.02.2011 10:31 AM PDT

We kill that which we do not understand...and then promptly tea-bag it.

OK. I see what you mean. But I do understand Seal's point (since I've read the prologue which he referred to). I was just confused on your context but now I understand. My bad. To Grey.

[Edited on 08.02.2011 10:33 AM PDT]

  • 08.02.2011 10:32 AM PDT

@accordingto343

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Posted by: antonio the bomb
No I'm not a child and I don't want to put romance in any halo title. and it said in the halo encyclopedia she was able to be a mother. And yes I would much rather prefer John retiring than the super predictable typical die a hero ending. And the guy who told me I should just give up this thread you can suck it. I can counter every post put here.

And I'm sure a good amount of halo fans will be okay with john retiring. Its no big deal unless there's some stupid book all about how he's living a normal life.


What are these counters? All you've said is "OMG John retiring would be cool!!!"

  • 08.02.2011 10:33 AM PDT

Vengeance only leads to an ongoing cycle of hatred.


Posted by: grey101

Posted by: Omega Ultimus
How exactly are you comparing the two? I personally liked Iron Man (the movies are meh), but yes Dr. M is way more complex, even though he is morally incompetent. H


Thats the point i am trying to get across since seal compared halo and harry potter

-_-" I wasn't comparing the two. I simply had Harry Potter as an example. You don't think I realize that Harry Potter and Halo are not alike?

  • 08.02.2011 10:35 AM PDT

Ahh it's you. Been a while hasn't it? We WILL finish this.


Just you wait.


Posted by: Omega Ultimus
OK. I see what you mean. But I do understand Seal's point (since I've read the prologue which he referred to). I was just confused on your context but now I understand. My bad. To Grey.


I'm sorry but john dying is so predictable. Let the man enjoy some kind of normal life.

  • 08.02.2011 10:35 AM PDT

Lol MC is going to settle down and he will become a police officer. Imagine that? Starsky and Hutch...and the Chief.

  • 08.02.2011 10:36 AM PDT

@accordingto343

Your one stop shop for all of 343's fabulous errors and ridiculous notions in the Halo lore.

Posted by: antonio the bomb

Posted by: Omega Ultimus
OK. I see what you mean. But I do understand Seal's point (since I've read the prologue which he referred to). I was just confused on your context but now I understand. My bad. To Grey.


I'm sorry but john dying is so predictable. Let the man enjoy some kind of normal life.


What normal life? He has absolutely nothing to live for.

  • 08.02.2011 10:36 AM PDT

Vengeance only leads to an ongoing cycle of hatred.


Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: antonio the bomb

Posted by: Omega Ultimus
OK. I see what you mean. But I do understand Seal's point (since I've read the prologue which he referred to). I was just confused on your context but now I understand. My bad. To Grey.


I'm sorry but john dying is so predictable. Let the man enjoy some kind of normal life.


What normal life? He has absolutely nothing to live for.

Well, I wouldn't say nothing. He could find Parisa, again. ^.^

  • 08.02.2011 10:37 AM PDT

"I will show you how a true Prussian officer fights!"

"And i will show you where the iron crosses grow..."

- "Cross of Iron"

As much as i hate to say it grey and cobra have a point. My 10 year old self would agree with you but the trauma hes been through is like something no one has ever experienced. Watching your species being destroyed by parasites and genocidal aliens for the better of 27 years is to much for a man let alone a super soldier. It ends in one of two ways John dies or someone saves him. However the latter isn't a happy ending because by the end of 6 games hes been through enough. His life after war will not be normal.

  • 08.02.2011 10:38 AM PDT

@accordingto343

Your one stop shop for all of 343's fabulous errors and ridiculous notions in the Halo lore.

Posted by: SEAL Sniper 9

Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: antonio the bomb

Posted by: Omega Ultimus
OK. I see what you mean. But I do understand Seal's point (since I've read the prologue which he referred to). I was just confused on your context but now I understand. My bad. To Grey.


I'm sorry but john dying is so predictable. Let the man enjoy some kind of normal life.


What normal life? He has absolutely nothing to live for.

Well, I wouldn't say nothing. He could find Parisa, again. ^.^


You forget he is a Spartan-II, he is ONI property.

  • 08.02.2011 10:38 AM PDT

Ahh it's you. Been a while hasn't it? We WILL finish this.


Just you wait.


Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: antonio the bomb
No I'm not a child and I don't want to put romance in any halo title. and it said in the halo encyclopedia she was able to be a mother. And yes I would much rather prefer John retiring than the super predictable typical die a hero ending. And the guy who told me I should just give up this tjhread you can suck it. I can counter every post put here.

And I'm sure a good amount of halo fans will be okay with john retiring. Its no big deal unless there's some stupid book all about how he's living a normal life.


What are these counters? All you've said is "OMG John retiring would be cool!!!"


No faqqots like you would disagree with me and tell me its impossible and I would tell you to suck it and give good reasons on why he could live a normal life.

  • 08.02.2011 10:40 AM PDT

@accordingto343

Your one stop shop for all of 343's fabulous errors and ridiculous notions in the Halo lore.

Posted by: antonio the bomb

Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: antonio the bomb
No I'm not a child and I don't want to put romance in any halo title. and it said in the halo encyclopedia she was able to be a mother. And yes I would much rather prefer John retiring than the super predictable typical die a hero ending. And the guy who told me I should just give up this tjhread you can suck it. I can counter every post put here.

And I'm sure a good amount of halo fans will be okay with john retiring. Its no big deal unless there's some stupid book all about how he's living a normal life.


What are these counters? All you've said is "OMG John retiring would be cool!!!"


No faqqots like you would disagree with me and tell me its impossible and I would tell you to suck it and give good reasons on why he could live a normal life.


So we're -blam!-s for disagreeing with you, nice to see where you maturity really is.

  • 08.02.2011 10:40 AM PDT

We kill that which we do not understand...and then promptly tea-bag it.

And the guy who told me I should just give up this thread you can suck it. I can counter every post put here.

Justifies my reasoning on quitting this thread, and others views on you being a moronic child (at least mentally). If you aren't willing to listen to others opinions, then why even post this thread in the first place? Your ignorance is not appreciated and I see you are increasingly getting angrier. Obviously, you cannot handle criticism and have no idea how bad a "Chief settling down" ending would be, compared to a heroic death (last time I checked, very few GOOD stories have an ultimate ending). Hell, I'm not even saying he should die. I think honoring your repetitious, annoying, and moot posts is giving you an inflated ego, so I guess I'll stop feeding the troll.

  • 08.02.2011 10:44 AM PDT

Ahh it's you. Been a while hasn't it? We WILL finish this.


Just you wait.


Posted by: DecepticonCobra
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Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: antonio the bomb

Posted by: Omega Ultimus
OK. I see what you mean. But I do understand Seal's point (since I've read the prologue which he referred to). I was just confused on your context but now I understand. My bad. To Grey.


I'm sorry but john dying is so predictable. Let the man enjoy some kind of normal life.


What normal life? He has absolutely nothing to live for.

Well, I wouldn't say nothing. He could find Parisa, again. ^.^


You forget he is a Spartan-II, he is ONI property.


Meh they can't make really own him forever. After the events in the new halo trilogy finish we wont have a need for a super soldier. And finding parissa he would have to tell her that he got kidnapped and that would be revealing classified info.

  • 08.02.2011 10:44 AM PDT


Posted by: antonio the bomb

Posted by: grey101

Posted by: grey101

Posted by: antonio the bomb

Posted by: ajw34307
No, he should die. I've had enough of these "happy endings", they always end the same. John must die in order to prove Halo is truly different from everything else, the hero we've been with for so long must go out with a bang rather than settle down because that's not going to be possible for a Spartan to have a happily ever after. They are indoctrinated into warfare, they know nothing else. I do not want to see The Sims: Halo Edition popping up in 6 years time.


One there will be no such game as that. And two big deal maria was able to live a normal life.


you clearly don't watch tv, movies, or video games if you just said that.

We don't know WHY maria was retired, it could be an ONI experiment for all we know so don't use that as an example.


One why would 343 screw us and make something that retarded. I can gurantee that will never happen. And so what if maria retiring was just ONI. The point is she was able to do it. Able to get a job meet a man( although secks must have been painful) and become a loving mother.

John could do this too.


so chief "settling down" and having a wife,kids etc is more satisfying to you Than just being killed? you do understand that if he isn't killed HE WILL BE MILKED and you can't "guarantee" anything. you can't even spell the word,lol.

for the last time nothing was ever elaborated about her, when was it said she was a mom? i want a link

are you a child or an extremely emotional girl that is a hopeless romantic?[/
quote] No I'm not a child and I don't want to put romance in any halo title. and it said in the halo encyclopedia she was able to be a mother. And yes I would much rather prefer John retiring than the super predictable typical die a hero ending. And the guy who told me I should just give up this thread you can suck it. I can counter every post put here.

And I'm sure a good amount of halo fans will be okay with john retiring. Its no big deal unless there's some stupid book all about how he's living a normal life.


There is a difference between what you want and what would be proper for a character of his nature. As detailed above, he has no place in this universe other then what Medicant Bias needs him to do. No literary merits would be gleaned from havingthis happen

So instead of killing him, a lot of people here found a midway point: have him live on in the care of the Forerunners. His fate remains a mystery, but he has still moved on and is still alive.

Frankly, I don't understand why you don't get this. On a story level, Halo 6 will be critically panned if he survives as you detail it. All thematic and allegorical messages the Chief's character carries will be dropped if he simply retires to a normal life.

He needs to have a lasting legacy without him involved directly. "Spartans never die, they're just missing in action" is a metaphor for how the Spartans' legacy will far, FAR outlive their time in the mortal plane. Having the Chief live once more amongst humans forever will ruin that theme.

In turn, having him join the Forerunners on the Journey will symbolize humanity's inherited right to protect all life in the universe, that man has become something more then just man, and that the champions of humanity--the Spartans--have an eternal legacy that will live on long after they go.

  • 08.02.2011 10:46 AM PDT

@accordingto343

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Posted by: antonio the bomb
Meh they can't make really own him forever. After the events in the new halo trilogy finish we wont have a need for a super soldier. And finding parissa he would have to tell her that he got kidnapped and that would be revealing classified info.


Yes, because the human race as a whole is really going to understand the kidnapping of children to be raised as genetically altered/augmented super soldiers and then creating cloned humans to die in their place to cover the tracks is going to take that revelation well.

My Lord you are naive.

  • 08.02.2011 10:46 AM PDT

Ahh it's you. Been a while hasn't it? We WILL finish this.


Just you wait.


Posted by: Omega Ultimus
And the guy who told me I should just give up this thread you can suck it. I can counter every post put here.

Justifies my reasoning on quitting this thread, and others views on you being a moronic child (at least mentally). If you aren't willing to listen to others opinions, then why even post this thread in the first place? Your ignorance is not appreciated and I see you are increasingly getting angrier. Obviously, you cannot handle criticism and have no idea how bad a "Chief settling down" ending would be, compared to a heroic death (last time I checked, very few GOOD stories have an ultimate ending). Hell, I'm not even saying he should die. I think honoring your repetitious, annoying, and moot posts is giving you an inflated ego, so I guess I'll stop feeding the troll.


Jezuz I'm not a troll. And your acting as if I'm asking for a romance story. No. It will just be hinted in a journal or a book. John was able to live a normal life. With a few diffuculties. Doesn't anyone feel for the chief?

  • 08.02.2011 10:56 AM PDT

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