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Posted by: teekuppi
At last a proper 40k related thread, +1 for OP!
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Not to mention they have a far larger population compared to halo, the tau would rival if not surpass the forerunner pop.
I disagree, Tau empire wouldn't get even close to Forerunner's numbers. When it comes to orks, humans and tyranids, any of those could propably outnumber everything inside haloverse.
Posted by: ROBERTO jh
What I never quite got was some of the totally wanked things I've heard of them. People have said a Space Marine survived getting half of his head blown off or even faling into a star, yet in all other Wahammer 40K fiction I've seen, they die to basic headshots.
The star is total bull and such, that is true. But if I remember correctly, Honsou, a warsmith of Iron warriors legion got shot to head and noticed it when he was unable to see anything with that side of head. At this point I'll remind that he was a warsmith who was allied with chaos, and also is still affected by all those thingies that space marines get to their body. At this point also we meet the oh so well known fact that important characters dont die. Which sucks in terms of basic logic, but I dont care that much, since it left a way to create few other awesome stories about Honsou and his warband.
Posted by: ROBERTO jh
I see Space Marines getting shelled by artillery cannons and dropping like flies at times even, and then hear stories about SMs surviving nuclear holocaust.
It greatly depends, we have seen planet getting bombarded by nuclear weapons for 500 years. In this case the planet is known by name Krieg. Most of the time those marines had cover or other ways to survive nuclear weaponry. Radiating will create small threat, and also does the nuke unless the explosion is something extraordinary or very close.
Also, the times when those marines have died like flies have been traps or other things where they we're manipulated to certain things. Iron cage incident, Isstvan V's drop site massacre and Jollana's trap made my Ahriman are examples of this.
Posted by: ROBERTO jh
I don't doubt for a second an SM would beat a Spartan and never said otherwise. But from what I've seen, a squad of SIIs would have little trouble killing one.
I assume that this pike impale case is from DoWII cinematic trailer? For what we can assume, that spike was either power weapon and so on penetrated without effort all marine's protection or was force weapon, which means that it's powered by psychic powers and does some nasty stuff to it's victim.
Killing one marine would be for some SII's pose little problem, yet this would require a little stronger weaponry then normally. I cant remember correct names, but something like assault rifle would without luck do from little to nothing to space marine.
For most of the time the marines that work alone are high ranked inviduals, who are by far greater threat then ordinary marine. To defeat these in packs, I'd highly see it as a requirement to have something strong as M99 or spartan laser to kill.
When the fight is fought realistically, which means squad against squad, the spartans are outgunned and for most of the time, outsmarted due teachings of Codex astartes.
Posted by: ROBERTO jh
What I was doing up their was listing the only possible ways the UNNSC and Covenant could go out swinging, which would be a ground battle.
On ground battle there would be absolutely no hope. From what we have seen, the titan legions exist and the numbers that 40k's side would bring inside the battle would overwhelm haloverse in almost every case.
For example, it took entire day for an artillery regiment to destroy titan. With this I mean constant bombardment created by huge amount of artillery towards this titan, I cant remember it's name this time, sorry about that. This was mentioned in the newest Imperial guard's codex.
Just to give example of power of both's power and ability to survive certain things.
Another example, a force of Death korps of Krieg bombarded one, single hive city for ten years without stop. In 3 years, the city surrendered and in 7 years all life signs we're disappeared, but they still kept doing it untill that hive was destroyed. And for those who don't know, hive cities are cities large as countries in some cases.
Posted by: trojanlord95
dark age of technology: Forunners are pretty dead maybe even precursors
I disagree, at this point the 'Imperium' kept new technology coming, but was scattered and unable to properly organize the galaxy. Though, this was the golden age of technology due STC and warp technology.
Before someone starts to talk about Haloverse's advanced AI, I'll throw this here.
Posted by: trojanlord95
the smallest class of frigate was 3KM long and could carry enough vrius bombs to destroy a contenant + plus whatever other kinds of ordanence they carry (eg. lances, torpedoes, broadside guns)
This is not true, the size of ships used within that time was from less then kilometer to few kilometers, and now we're talking about smaller ships. When it comes to cruisers, they are about 3KM long. When it comes to weaponry, there you're correct.
Also, I have to remind of Phalanx's existance in this thread.
Im not going into forerunner or precursor stuff, since that would make me write more and wank in scale that would involve gods, their realms and warp.
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To those who bothered to read my post or scroll it down here, is anyone on haloverse's side interested to take something vs something?
I'd like to see Covenant and UNSC allied vs Imperium of Man. Anyone interested? Optionally, UNSC vs Tau empire could be quite cool.
Thanks for clarifying. I remember reading one of the SM augmentations was the ability to need only one side of the brain fully intact to function, maybe that was it.
And when I said go out swinging, I meant to say they would die (quite a lot) but it would be going out with a bang. The UNSC or even Covenant has no real hope in space unless the Assault Carriers/Supercarriers were used, but on the ground, its a manner of shoot the target and it dies (in some cases eventually).
The Imperium's numbers far outclass both, possibly combined, but at least the UNSC and Covenant would kill the -blam!- out of as many as they could before they eventually succumbed.
Question: how effective would a barrage of plasma rifle fire or a needle supercombine be against a SM?
@cmdr.
Well thats just it: nobody knows for sure if the Prisoner was even telling the truth about the Precursors "losing" to the Forerunners. It seems it was later found, judging by the terminals, that he was lying as they did indeed go on the Journey, whatever that is.
The Prisoner strikes me as someone I would never trust (there was obviously a reason the Precursors kept him locked up).
And assuming they did defeat the Precursors, the Forerunners likely had access to Neural technology.
[Edited on 08.02.2011 4:03 PM PDT]