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Posted by: ROBERTO jh

Well thats why I went on to say the only hope the Forerunners have is a 1v1 fight since they basically belong in the 40K universe in terms of firepower in the first place.


Oh they are considerably above 40K equipment wise, builder security teams were shattering and overturning bits of the crust big enough to be visible from orbit, weapons fire from their personal weapons platforms was *also* visible from orbit, cutting across continents...
There is nothing even 40K ground forces could do against that, it's heading towards Culture-scale.

Their ships are also comeasurably superior, as are their AI.

The only hope contemporary Halo factions have is a ground only engagement (which I don't doubt the UNSC ingenuity, and nor do I see the WH40K ground forces leveling continents), or if the UNSC starts mass producing NOVA bombs.

The UNSC loses hard on the ground, they are outnumbered and out-teched. 40K is very strong ground-combat wise.

And frankly, the only hope mortal 40K factions have against the Precursors is if the non-mortals came in to help them, which would likely result in a paradox of infinite power shooting at infinite defense.

We know nothing about the Precursors, there isn't any point speculating.

The Flood's primary hope is their tenacity. If they found a world they could use as a starting point, I could see them causing trouble.

The Flood coukd take this if given the opportunity to spread, but then that's more flood40k vs usual40k than Halo vs 40k.


Unless the Halo Universe itself comes into play, which aparently is alive on some cosmic, unimaginable plane of existence. At that point, who knows what happens.

y'wot good sir? :s

  • 08.02.2011 12:09 PM PDT

Fin, I agree. Since we know basically nothing about the Precursors, just leave them out. All we know is some of their structures were impervious to everything but a halo.

  • 08.02.2011 12:11 PM PDT


Posted by: grey101
warhammer is overpowered

  • 08.02.2011 12:13 PM PDT
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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?


Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Fin, I agree. Since we know basically nothing about the Precursors, just leave them out. All we know is that all of their structures were impervious to everything but a halo.


Fixed

  • 08.02.2011 12:14 PM PDT

I am the God Emprah of Mankind.

Deal with it.

The Precursors and Forerunners are all dead, most of these points appear to be irrelevant fanboy dick-riding.

  • 08.02.2011 12:17 PM PDT


Posted by: grey101
Rob the space marines are far more..."better" than the spartans, they could kill a spartan before he even thought about what happened. You then have the large exoskeletons and such the tau use which are far larger than a scarab and pack more fighter power.


Not to mention they have a far larger population compared to halo, the tau would rival if not surpass the forerunner pop.


the nids are FAR more advanced and deadly than the flood are.


seriously, anybody that even knows a fraction of warhammer would know that only 2 races have a slim chance in a fight.


I understand the Astertes are on three times as many 'roids as the Spartans, including their 19 extra organs and superior armor.

What I never quite got was some of the totally wanked things I've heard of them. People have said a Space Marine survived getting half of his head blown off or even faling into a star, yet in all other Wahammer 40K fiction I've seen, they die to basic headshots, stabs through the heart by a pike and getting shot to death just like anyone would. It doesn't seem to add up consistently, especially for a universe that seems to focus 75% of its devolopment on rediculous weaponry and battlefield statistics.

I see Space Marines getting shelled by artillery cannons and dropping like flies at times even, and then hear stories about SMs surviving nuclear holocaust. Its gotten to the point where I'm staring to think some of the more outrageous stories are well written fan-fiction.

I don't doubt for a second an SM would beat a Spartan and never said otherwise. But from what I've seen, a squad of SIIs would have little trouble killing one.

Would a Gauss cannon kill one? Or a Plasma Mortar? Because apparently they can survive getting a nuke dropped on them, yet not getting impaled on a spike by an Eldar.

What I was doing up their was listing the only possible ways the UNNSC and Covenant could go out swinging, which would be a ground battle.

  • 08.02.2011 12:17 PM PDT


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Posted by: ROBERTO jh

Well thats why I went on to say the only hope the Forerunners have is a 1v1 fight since they basically belong in the 40K universe in terms of firepower in the first place.


Oh they are considerably above 40K equipment wise, builder security teams were shattering and overturning bits of the crust big enough to be visible from orbit, weapons fire from their personal weapons platforms was *also* visible from orbit, cutting across continents...
There is nothing even 40K ground forces could do against that, it's heading towards Culture-scale.

Their ships are also comeasurably superior, as are their AI.

The only hope contemporary Halo factions have is a ground only engagement (which I don't doubt the UNSC ingenuity, and nor do I see the WH40K ground forces leveling continents), or if the UNSC starts mass producing NOVA bombs.

The UNSC loses hard on the ground, they are outnumbered and out-teched. 40K is very strong ground-combat wise.

And frankly, the only hope mortal 40K factions have against the Precursors is if the non-mortals came in to help them, which would likely result in a paradox of infinite power shooting at infinite defense.

We know nothing about the Precursors, there isn't any point speculating.

The Flood's primary hope is their tenacity. If they found a world they could use as a starting point, I could see them causing trouble.

The Flood coukd take this if given the opportunity to spread, but then that's more flood40k vs usual40k than Halo vs 40k.


Unless the Halo Universe itself comes into play, which aparently is alive on some cosmic, unimaginable plane of existence. At that point, who knows what happens.

y'wot good sir? :s


You need to read Cryptum, friend. It is stated quite clearly on multiple occations that the Precursors' structures were grade A completely impervious to everything and anything, including the crushing weights of planets mixed with the thermonuclear-styled heat of a planet's core.

Nor did they falter even when millions of miles of Precursor World Bridges connected entire planets, the stresses being forced upon which would easily be counted in hundreds of zeroes as planets shift, gravity and inertia change, and two planets run parallel to each other with a star in between.

We know quite enough about the Precursors to easily deduce they working -blam!- ing unbelievable, even by hard sci-fi standards.

  • 08.02.2011 12:22 PM PDT
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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?


Posted by: ROBERTO jh


I don't doubt for a second an SM would beat a Spartan and never said otherwise. But from what I've seen, a squad of SIIs would have little trouble killing one.



A squad of SIIs wouldn't have issue taking on a hunter,brute,elite, or forerunner ether.

Space marines are mentally, physically and psychically enhanced far beyond any normal human.

The average one could out pace kelly, easy.


This is warhammer, nothing is going to be "average", the UNSC nor covenant would have the population to fight any race in warhammer

  • 08.02.2011 12:22 PM PDT

Well, I brought up the "simple stabbing/shooting" before, and was explained clearly.

If you take OP soldier A: (space marine) and have him get shot by OP weapon B: (Eldar gun) it'll like normal.

That doesn't make a Spartan wielding an Assault rifle able to kill them just as easily.

Edit; The Q could defeat the precursors.

[Edited on 08.02.2011 12:24 PM PDT]

  • 08.02.2011 12:23 PM PDT

I enjoy halo for it's story and when I am in the mood, its gameplay. Reach was significantly worse then I expected but was still a great game (minus the european hitscan fiasco). I am sitting on a two mile wide fence on the subject of halo 4. Most of the things I like a technical aspects though and not story or game play. Plus I am slightly mad they took my elites from MP.

Which era of 40K are we on about?
heres a line up:

dark age of technology: Forunners are pretty dead maybe even precursors

great crusade: Forunners will be overrun. Period. eg. the smallest class of frigate was 3KM long and could carry enough vrius bombs to destroy a contenant + plus whatever other kinds of ordanence they carry (eg. lances, torpedoes, broadside guns)

horus heresy: Furious Abyss and thats all I am saying on the matter

40K: again major OP to beyond belief in one book a Justicar destroyed a kilometer tall (or something close) super-warlord titan by himself (novel: Grey Knights: Dark adeptus)

Sorry Halo but 40K just wins and flood would likely not last long Exterminatus

  • 08.02.2011 2:09 PM PDT
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Do not waste your tears, I was not born to watch the world grow dim. Life is not measured in years, but by the deeds of men.

Posted by: goldhawk
We should know better, because we are better.

Honsu got half his head blown off and survived. He lived long enough to attack Ultramar and then brought a cathedral down onto himself and several other (loyal) marines. All the marines survived and they never found Honsu again. His survival is all but confirmed outright.
Another Marine had every single bone in his body broken, except for two, and his Chapter Master refused to call him KIA until they found his corpse.
Another Marine fought toe-to-toe with Abaddon and survived him, a titan nearly stepping on them both and the orbital bombardment that followed. After all this he still was able too beat Garro in hand to hand combat.
I have never heard of the star story though.

As for the impaled-on-a-pike, that marine was heavily injured and the Eldar in question was also a psyker. It is logical to assume that the pike was a force weapon and/or mono-molecular edged.

Imperial Guard also posses vortex weapons. These rip open a rift in reality, straight to the warp, and drag everything into it, killing them. These also come in missile form for when you feel like shooting it at another spaceship.

  • 08.02.2011 2:16 PM PDT

For The Emprah!

  • 08.02.2011 2:16 PM PDT

It is better to die for the emperor than live for yourself

Warhammer 40k Titans

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  • 08.02.2011 2:18 PM PDT
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Believe

My gametag is not sparda34b, it was an error, gamertag is Sparda3b.

This is completely up to how powerful the Precursors are made, if they are really transcendent and have neural physics to the degree they have portrayed then you have something to work with and while the forerunner would be useful they won't be able to take all of the several factions of 40k.

  • 08.02.2011 2:22 PM PDT

As a pretty big player of both (actual tabletop Warhammer, mind), I can say without a doubt that WH40k would destroy Halo. The population of the Warhammer galaxy (all of whom have been killing each other forever) just outnumbers all of the three main Halo factions by too much to even be threatened by them. And if the Imperium and others can handle 'nids, you bet they can handle the Flood. Again, they just don't have the population.

  • 08.02.2011 2:26 PM PDT
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Posted by: ROBERTO jh

You need to read Cryptum, friend. It is stated quite clearly on multiple occations that the Precursors' structures were grade A completely impervious to everything and anything, including the crushing weights of planets mixed with the thermonuclear-styled heat of a planet's core.


I've read it, it tells us practically nothing about the Precursors.

We have that they can build very durable megastructures, and build stasis fields, that's it.

The Forerunner can build slightly less durable megastructures and build stasis fields too. Their observed engineering feats are actually greater.


We know quite enough about the Precursors to easily deduce they working -blam!- ing unbelievable, even by hard sci-fi standards.

Halo isn't hard sci-fi, anyway, we can deduce very little from the information we have.


Posted by: trojanlord95
Sorry Halo but 40K just wins and flood would likely not last long Exterminatus


By the end of the Forerunner-Flood war standard Forerunner procedure for dealing with an infected world was total destruction of the star system it was in. And the Forerunner lost that conventional war.
The Flood are much faster than the Tyranids, exterminatus of infected worlds won't happen fast enough unless they catch the outbreak when it's confined to one or two worlds.


[Edited on 08.02.2011 2:45 PM PDT]

  • 08.02.2011 2:37 PM PDT

I'm not sure what you're looking for.

"Reckless words pierce like a sword, but the tongue of the wise brings healing" -- Proverbs 12:18

IG Laser Rifles are pretty much Spartan lasers.

And billions upon trillions.

  • 08.02.2011 2:39 PM PDT


Posted by: ROBERTO jh
You need to read Cryptum, friend. It is stated quite clearly on multiple occations that the Precursors' structures were grade A completely impervious to everything and anything, including the crushing weights of planets mixed with the thermonuclear-styled heat of a planet's core.

Nor did they falter even when millions of miles of Precursor World Bridges connected entire planets, the stresses being forced upon which would easily be counted in hundreds of zeroes as planets shift, gravity and inertia change, and two planets run parallel to each other with a star in between.

We know quite enough about the Precursors to easily deduce they working -blam!- ing unbelievable, even by hard sci-fi standards.


Um, I'm sorry but I'm going to HAVE to ask for a hard quote stating that. As a solid bridge between two planets is completely impossible with the planet's rotations, gravity, and their own orbits + moons.

A friend who knows the canon well, and has read Cryptum said the world bridges were described as portals, or teleporters. not a solid structure.


[Edited on 08.02.2011 2:52 PM PDT]

  • 08.02.2011 2:51 PM PDT
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"Time was your ally human. But now it has abandoned you. The Forerunners....have returned. And this tomb... is now yours". - The Didact

@cmdr

You are right,but apparently the Precursor can link both planets and star systems:

pg 114

Once,these ruins had formed the anchors and foundations for the superstructures of an ancient Precursor world-their system-linking,unbending filaments.



pg 228

"..though certainly not equal to any of the ruins found on any great Precursor planet-no vaulting orbital bridges stretching from world to world,no unbending eternal cables.


Precursors said "-blam!- you" to the laws of physics.

  • 08.02.2011 2:59 PM PDT


Posted by: hotshot revan II
@cmdr

You are right,but apparently the Precursor can link both planets and star systems:

pg 114

Once,these ruins had formed the anchors and foundations for the superstructures of an ancient Precursor world-their system-linking,unbending filaments.



pg 228

"..though certainly not equal to any of the ruins found on any great Precursor planet-no vaulting orbital bridges stretching from world to world,no unbending eternal cables.


Precursors said "-blam!- you" to the laws of physics.



Well -blam!- they could have written them for all we know. Greg Bear likes playing with over the top science-fiction scenarios. In the book Eon he wrote a story about an artificial universe residing inside an asteroid.

Creating physics isn't outside of his field.

  • 08.02.2011 3:10 PM PDT


Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: ROBERTO jh
You need to read Cryptum, friend. It is stated quite clearly on multiple occations that the Precursors' structures were grade A completely impervious to everything and anything, including the crushing weights of planets mixed with the thermonuclear-styled heat of a planet's core.

Nor did they falter even when millions of miles of Precursor World Bridges connected entire planets, the stresses being forced upon which would easily be counted in hundreds of zeroes as planets shift, gravity and inertia change, and two planets run parallel to each other with a star in between.

We know quite enough about the Precursors to easily deduce they working -blam!- ing unbelievable, even by hard sci-fi standards.


Um, I'm sorry but I'm going to HAVE to ask for a hard quote stating that. As a solid bridge between two planets is completely impossible with the planet's rotations, gravity, and their own orbits + moons.

A friend who knows the canon well, and has read Cryptum said the world bridges were described as portals, or teleporters. not a solid structure.


As you'll see in the quote provided by Hotshot, they are quite explicitly called "bridges" not Portals. The only Portals in the book are the ones used to move massive stellar objects by the Forerunners

[Edited on 08.02.2011 3:12 PM PDT]

  • 08.02.2011 3:12 PM PDT

Once again, I must ask how the -blam!- the Forerunners ever beat them, or even got close to stealing precursor stuff if that is what they've done.

Either way, the Q could easily beat them.

But that's off-topic.

  • 08.02.2011 3:19 PM PDT

Flood's and Universe's Warhammer 40k fanatic and the one who knows much about it.

I also like House Stark and winter, hurr.

At last a proper 40k related thread, +1 for OP!


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Not to mention they have a far larger population compared to halo, the tau would rival if not surpass the forerunner pop.


I disagree, Tau empire wouldn't get even close to Forerunner's numbers. When it comes to orks, humans and tyranids, any of those could propably outnumber everything inside haloverse.

Posted by: ROBERTO jh

What I never quite got was some of the totally wanked things I've heard of them. People have said a Space Marine survived getting half of his head blown off or even faling into a star, yet in all other Wahammer 40K fiction I've seen, they die to basic headshots.


The star is total bull and such, that is true. But if I remember correctly, Honsou, a warsmith of Iron warriors legion got shot to head and noticed it when he was unable to see anything with that side of head. At this point I'll remind that he was a warsmith who was allied with chaos, and also is still affected by all those thingies that space marines get to their body. At this point also we meet the oh so well known fact that important characters dont die. Which sucks in terms of basic logic, but I dont care that much, since it left a way to create few other awesome stories about Honsou and his warband.


Posted by: ROBERTO jh

I see Space Marines getting shelled by artillery cannons and dropping like flies at times even, and then hear stories about SMs surviving nuclear holocaust.


It greatly depends, we have seen planet getting bombarded by nuclear weapons for 500 years. In this case the planet is known by name Krieg. Most of the time those marines had cover or other ways to survive nuclear weaponry. Radiating will create small threat, and also does the nuke unless the explosion is something extraordinary or very close.

Also, the times when those marines have died like flies have been traps or other things where they we're manipulated to certain things. Iron cage incident, Isstvan V's drop site massacre and Jollana's trap made my Ahriman are examples of this.


Posted by: ROBERTO jh

I don't doubt for a second an SM would beat a Spartan and never said otherwise. But from what I've seen, a squad of SIIs would have little trouble killing one.


I assume that this pike impale case is from DoWII cinematic trailer? For what we can assume, that spike was either power weapon and so on penetrated without effort all marine's protection or was force weapon, which means that it's powered by psychic powers and does some nasty stuff to it's victim.

Killing one marine would be for some SII's pose little problem, yet this would require a little stronger weaponry then normally. I cant remember correct names, but something like assault rifle would without luck do from little to nothing to space marine.

For most of the time the marines that work alone are high ranked inviduals, who are by far greater threat then ordinary marine. To defeat these in packs, I'd highly see it as a requirement to have something strong as M99 or spartan laser to kill.

When the fight is fought realistically, which means squad against squad, the spartans are outgunned and for most of the time, outsmarted due teachings of Codex astartes.

Posted by: ROBERTO jh

What I was doing up their was listing the only possible ways the UNNSC and Covenant could go out swinging, which would be a ground battle.


On ground battle there would be absolutely no hope. From what we have seen, the titan legions exist and the numbers that 40k's side would bring inside the battle would overwhelm haloverse in almost every case.

For example, it took entire day for an artillery regiment to destroy titan. With this I mean constant bombardment created by huge amount of artillery towards this titan, I cant remember it's name this time, sorry about that. This was mentioned in the newest Imperial guard's codex.

Just to give example of power of both's power and ability to survive certain things.

Another example, a force of Death korps of Krieg bombarded one, single hive city for ten years without stop. In 3 years, the city surrendered and in 7 years all life signs we're disappeared, but they still kept doing it untill that hive was destroyed. And for those who don't know, hive cities are cities large as countries in some cases.

Posted by: trojanlord95

dark age of technology: Forunners are pretty dead maybe even precursors


I disagree, at this point the 'Imperium' kept new technology coming, but was scattered and unable to properly organize the galaxy. Though, this was the golden age of technology due STC and warp technology.

Before someone starts to talk about Haloverse's advanced AI, I'll throw this here.

Posted by: trojanlord95

the smallest class of frigate was 3KM long and could carry enough vrius bombs to destroy a contenant + plus whatever other kinds of ordanence they carry (eg. lances, torpedoes, broadside guns)


This is not true, the size of ships used within that time was from less then kilometer to few kilometers, and now we're talking about smaller ships. When it comes to cruisers, they are about 3KM long. When it comes to weaponry, there you're correct.

Also, I have to remind of Phalanx's existance in this thread.

Im not going into forerunner or precursor stuff, since that would make me write more and wank in scale that would involve gods, their realms and warp.

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To those who bothered to read my post or scroll it down here, is anyone on haloverse's side interested to take something vs something?

I'd like to see Covenant and UNSC allied vs Imperium of Man. Anyone interested? Optionally, UNSC vs Tau empire could be quite cool.

[Edited on 08.02.2011 3:53 PM PDT]

  • 08.02.2011 3:33 PM PDT


Posted by: teekuppi
At last a proper 40k related thread, +1 for OP!


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Not to mention they have a far larger population compared to halo, the tau would rival if not surpass the forerunner pop.


I disagree, Tau empire wouldn't get even close to Forerunner's numbers. When it comes to orks, humans and tyranids, any of those could propably outnumber everything inside haloverse.

Posted by: ROBERTO jh

What I never quite got was some of the totally wanked things I've heard of them. People have said a Space Marine survived getting half of his head blown off or even faling into a star, yet in all other Wahammer 40K fiction I've seen, they die to basic headshots.


The star is total bull and such, that is true. But if I remember correctly, Honsou, a warsmith of Iron warriors legion got shot to head and noticed it when he was unable to see anything with that side of head. At this point I'll remind that he was a warsmith who was allied with chaos, and also is still affected by all those thingies that space marines get to their body. At this point also we meet the oh so well known fact that important characters dont die. Which sucks in terms of basic logic, but I dont care that much, since it left a way to create few other awesome stories about Honsou and his warband.


Posted by: ROBERTO jh

I see Space Marines getting shelled by artillery cannons and dropping like flies at times even, and then hear stories about SMs surviving nuclear holocaust.


It greatly depends, we have seen planet getting bombarded by nuclear weapons for 500 years. In this case the planet is known by name Krieg. Most of the time those marines had cover or other ways to survive nuclear weaponry. Radiating will create small threat, and also does the nuke unless the explosion is something extraordinary or very close.

Also, the times when those marines have died like flies have been traps or other things where they we're manipulated to certain things. Iron cage incident, Isstvan V's drop site massacre and Jollana's trap made my Ahriman are examples of this.


Posted by: ROBERTO jh

I don't doubt for a second an SM would beat a Spartan and never said otherwise. But from what I've seen, a squad of SIIs would have little trouble killing one.


I assume that this pike impale case is from DoWII cinematic trailer? For what we can assume, that spike was either power weapon and so on penetrated without effort all marine's protection or was force weapon, which means that it's powered by psychic powers and does some nasty stuff to it's victim.

Killing one marine would be for some SII's pose little problem, yet this would require a little stronger weaponry then normally. I cant remember correct names, but something like assault rifle would without luck do from little to nothing to space marine.

For most of the time the marines that work alone are high ranked inviduals, who are by far greater threat then ordinary marine. To defeat these in packs, I'd highly see it as a requirement to have something strong as M99 or spartan laser to kill.

When the fight is fought realistically, which means squad against squad, the spartans are outgunned and for most of the time, outsmarted due teachings of Codex astartes.

Posted by: ROBERTO jh

What I was doing up their was listing the only possible ways the UNNSC and Covenant could go out swinging, which would be a ground battle.


On ground battle there would be absolutely no hope. From what we have seen, the titan legions exist and the numbers that 40k's side would bring inside the battle would overwhelm haloverse in almost every case.

For example, it took entire day for an artillery regiment to destroy titan. With this I mean constant bombardment created by huge amount of artillery towards this titan, I cant remember it's name this time, sorry about that. This was mentioned in the newest Imperial guard's codex.

Just to give example of power of both's power and ability to survive certain things.

Another example, a force of Death korps of Krieg bombarded one, single hive city for ten years without stop. In 3 years, the city surrendered and in 7 years all life signs we're disappeared, but they still kept doing it untill that hive was destroyed. And for those who don't know, hive cities are cities large as countries in some cases.

Posted by: trojanlord95

dark age of technology: Forunners are pretty dead maybe even precursors


I disagree, at this point the 'Imperium' kept new technology coming, but was scattered and unable to properly organize the galaxy. Though, this was the golden age of technology due STC and warp technology.

Before someone starts to talk about Haloverse's advanced AI, I'll throw this here.

Posted by: trojanlord95

the smallest class of frigate was 3KM long and could carry enough vrius bombs to destroy a contenant + plus whatever other kinds of ordanence they carry (eg. lances, torpedoes, broadside guns)


This is not true, the size of ships used within that time was from less then kilometer to few kilometers, and now we're talking about smaller ships. When it comes to cruisers, they are about 3KM long. When it comes to weaponry, there you're correct.

Also, I have to remind of Phalanx's existance in this thread.

Im not going into forerunner or precursor stuff, since that would make me write more and wank in scale that would involve gods, their realms and warp.

---

To those who bothered to read my post or scroll it down here, is anyone on haloverse's side interested to take something vs something?

I'd like to see Covenant and UNSC allied vs Imperium of Man. Anyone interested? Optionally, UNSC vs Tau empire could be quite cool.


Thanks for clarifying. I remember reading one of the SM augmentations was the ability to need only one side of the brain fully intact to function, maybe that was it.

And when I said go out swinging, I meant to say they would die (quite a lot) but it would be going out with a bang. The UNSC or even Covenant has no real hope in space unless the Assault Carriers/Supercarriers were used, but on the ground, its a manner of shoot the target and it dies (in some cases eventually).

The Imperium's numbers far outclass both, possibly combined, but at least the UNSC and Covenant would kill the -blam!- out of as many as they could before they eventually succumbed.

Question: how effective would a barrage of plasma rifle fire or a needle supercombine be against a SM?

@cmdr.

Well thats just it: nobody knows for sure if the Prisoner was even telling the truth about the Precursors "losing" to the Forerunners. It seems it was later found, judging by the terminals, that he was lying as they did indeed go on the Journey, whatever that is.

The Prisoner strikes me as someone I would never trust (there was obviously a reason the Precursors kept him locked up).

And assuming they did defeat the Precursors, the Forerunners likely had access to Neural technology.

[Edited on 08.02.2011 4:03 PM PDT]

  • 08.02.2011 4:01 PM PDT

1 P17Y 7H3 F00L

KOTOR

nearly all Warhammer 40K melee bladed weapons apparently have monomolecular edges, which makes it seem like it's possible to cut into power armor, but even then, it's still difficult to do so. Furthermore, you aren't taking Eldar Holofields or Demon Armor into account.

For example, Lucius the Eternal could probably kill all Elites single-handedly. Lucius can die and resurrect as long as killer takes even the smallest amount of satisfaction from killing him. Elites get promoted based on number of kills, which translates into taking pride into be able to claim Lucius's defeat into their kill record. Lucius would simply possess his killer and be back in the flesh.

Chaos Gods can defeat Precursors hands down. From what we learned in Cryptum, Precursors see technology in some sort of strange techno-spiritual manner, leading them to have some sort of emotional signature. Chaos Gods can pick up on it and grow in power with each bit of emotion that the Precursors feel, and eventually, they'll be able to either straight up possess a Precursor or at least bestow their enhanced favor upon Chaos Champions.

But since Precursors are generally agreed to be out of the question, then so are the Chaos Gods in the active sense of participation

[Edited on 08.02.2011 5:46 PM PDT]

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