Bungie Universe
This topic has moved here: Subject: Halo or Warhammer 40k
  • Subject: Halo or Warhammer 40k
  • Pages:
  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • of 3
Subject: Halo or Warhammer 40k
  • gamertag: [none]
  • user homepage:

Do not waste your tears, I was not born to watch the world grow dim. Life is not measured in years, but by the deeds of men.

Posted by: goldhawk
We should know better, because we are better.

It should be noted that the intense bloodshed, planning, and flood would fuel each of the Chaos Gods immensely. After all, the Forerunners don't do anything by halves, least of all war.

  • 08.02.2011 5:44 PM PDT


Posted by: rst7503
nearly all Warhammer 40K melee bladed weapons apparently have monomolecular edges, which makes it seem like it's possible to cut into power armor, but even then, it's still difficult to do so. Furthermore, you aren't taking Eldar Holofields or Demon Armor into account.

For example, Lucius the Eternal could probably kill all Elites single-handedly. Lucius can die and resurrect as long as killer takes even the smallest amount of satisfaction from killing him. Elites get promoted based on number of kills, which translates into taking pride into be able to claim Lucius's defeat into their kill record. Lucius would simply possess his killer and be back in the flesh.

Chaos Gods can defeat Precursors hands down. From what we learned in Cryptum, Precursors see technology in some sort of strange techno-spiritual manner, leading them to have some sort of emotional signature. Chaos Gods can pick up on it and grow in power with each bit of emotion that the Precursors feel, and eventually, they'll be able to either straight up possess a Precursor or at least bestow their enhanced favor upon Chaos Champions.

But since Precursors are generally agreed to be out of the question, then so are the Chaos Gods in the active sense of participation


What happens if a Forerunners killed him? Who hate war?

And Precursor material is more of a physical emodiement of the consciousness (which could understandably lead to spiritual concepts like that of the soul) of the universe, judging from how Born described it, not really a fabric of emotion.

And I don't know much about the Chaos Gods, but from how they sound they feed off of despair and destruction, and basically negative emotions. Precursors had an enlightened "oneness" with the universe on a transsentient, or post-humanistic scale. Basically they were an essential part of the universe, understanding it and cognitively connected with it on a completely unrecognizable plane then we could comprehend, considering their technology.

Is a positive emotion like serenity susceptible to being fed on by a God.

  • 08.02.2011 6:10 PM PDT

1 P17Y 7H3 F00L

KOTOR

Yeah, Lucius could be killed permanently by someone who hates doing so, but that's why I said he could take on Sangheilis, specifically. Their honor system and martial style of promotion basically asks for Lucius to take advantage of it.

As for Precursor tech, I never said it was emotion, I said it gives evidence to Precursor's capacity for emotion, thus feeding the Chaos Gods.

And yes, positive emotions can feed Chaos gods. Hope for example, feeds Tzeentch, the god of change, planning, scheming, and hope. Positive emotions in a universe of despair leads to hope for a better future and a desire to improve the universe, which invariably feeds Tzeentch. The massive killings would feed Khorne, and the deaths and despair of the countless trillions of civilians would feed Nurgle. Slaanesh, unfortunately, would be kinda left out, unless the Precursors or Forerunners are actually a race of perverted sadists (i doubt it).

[Edited on 08.02.2011 6:17 PM PDT]

  • 08.02.2011 6:15 PM PDT
  • gamertag: [none]
  • user homepage:

Do not waste your tears, I was not born to watch the world grow dim. Life is not measured in years, but by the deeds of men.

Posted by: goldhawk
We should know better, because we are better.

Yes, yes it is. Each god represents positive emotions as well.
Khorne represents Honor and related.
Tzeentch is Hope and related.
Nurgle is nurturing, for lack of a better word, his followers call him Grandfather Nurgle.
Slaanesh is artistry and expression.
Each god is a reflection of ourselves and our emotions, both good and bad.

And all warriors feel a form of pride. They may loathe war, but they and glad that they are able to defeat evil and corruption. Lucius needs only a drop of pride, it may be so brief that you don't even notice it, and then you are doomed.

  • 08.02.2011 6:18 PM PDT

Doesn't Slaanesh feed off feelings of Excess, regardless of pain or perversion?

Last I checked, throwing a party could 'feed' him.

  • 08.02.2011 6:18 PM PDT

52,000 kills in Halo 2 and more legendary playthroughs in CE than you can imagine. I am truly a God.
.................................,-;;-=-,_____
,-------------------------.___/-----i````````'\--`\ .
|-------------xvxvxvxvxvxv--o-~~~~~~o--,\======
|_______|_o_./``/--/`;````~----------------~`
....................../_/`` BR-55

40k is over powered, both are awesome.

  • 08.02.2011 6:19 PM PDT
  • gamertag: [none]
  • user homepage:

Do not waste your tears, I was not born to watch the world grow dim. Life is not measured in years, but by the deeds of men.

Posted by: goldhawk
We should know better, because we are better.


Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Doesn't Slaanesh feed off feelings of Excess, regardless of pain or perversion?

Last I checked, throwing a party could 'feed' him.

Any form of excess really could feed him/her/it.

  • 08.02.2011 6:19 PM PDT
  • gamertag: [none]
  • user homepage:

Member of Bungie.net for nearly three years, still continuing!

Enjoy what you have and live on.

My gamertag is Elder Bias

I don't know why some people voted for Halo.

UNSC/Covenant have no chance against Warhammer 40k, period.

As such I doubt that Forerunners can even match against Necros or worse. (Be mindful, I have read Cryptum and I still admit that Forerunners don't have chance against Warhammer 40k)

We shouldn't include Precursors because we don't know ANYTHING ABOUT IT.

However, 40k is overpowered but I'll give a vote to Warhammer 40k until we learn more about Forerunners's capacities.

  • 08.02.2011 6:22 PM PDT

1 P17Y 7H3 F00L

KOTOR


Posted by: Xd00999

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Doesn't Slaanesh feed off feelings of Excess, regardless of pain or perversion?

Last I checked, throwing a party could 'feed' him.

Any form of excess really could feed him/her/it.



Is a hermaphrodite called an it or a he/she?

I know an androgynous being is an it, though

  • 08.02.2011 6:24 PM PDT
  • gamertag: Tasoki
  • user homepage:

I beat down Hunters with bare hands.
The Sniper Rilfe is my instrument.
I am not afraid of Fate.
Die Honorably or die trying.

Halo definately, WH40K WILL GET CRUSHED!

  • 08.02.2011 6:25 PM PDT
  • gamertag: [none]
  • user homepage:

Do not waste your tears, I was not born to watch the world grow dim. Life is not measured in years, but by the deeds of men.

Posted by: goldhawk
We should know better, because we are better.


Posted by: rst7503

Posted by: Xd00999

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Doesn't Slaanesh feed off feelings of Excess, regardless of pain or perversion?

Last I checked, throwing a party could 'feed' him.

Any form of excess really could feed him/her/it.



Is a hermaphrodite called an it or a he/she?

I know an androgynous being is an it, though

Isn't Slaanesh's gender up for debate? I thought it was male on one half and female on the other while it could also take any form that it thought would appeal to mortals.

  • 08.02.2011 6:27 PM PDT

Everything I heard is Slaanesh can be whatever it wants to be, so he, she, it, whatever all works.

  • 08.02.2011 6:30 PM PDT

"Find where the liar hides, so that I may place my boot between his gums!" - Rtas 'Vadum

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Once again, I must ask how the -blam!- the Forerunners ever beat them, or even got close to stealing precursor stuff if that is what they've done.

Either way, the Q could easily beat them.

But that's off-topic.

I'm a little dubious about Bear and his interplanetary bridges. With such a system, the planets would not be able to rotate, they would be in a position similar to being tidally locked. In that case one side gets scorched by the constant solar rays from the sun, and the other side freezes.

Also, this thermal gradient would drive extremely powerful and destructive storms making conditions on the surface even more hostile. Not that this debunks the fact that such a system exists in Bear's novels, but it seems like a scientific oversight on his part.

  • 08.02.2011 6:30 PM PDT

We kill that which we do not understand...and then promptly tea-bag it.

Ow...My head hurts from reading about Warhammer 40k. SO much overpowered and insane weapons and concepts. Yet, it still looks like a hell of a lot of fun. But, to be fair, didn't the Forerunnners have millions of world and battleships (we are fighting in space, remember)? And doesn't the Flood just de-evolve back into a bacterium and slowly evolve once again the living beings of the Warhammer universe (can't stop the Necrons, though), until the Flood finds a way to destroy their fancy armor (by contact of some psychic universal force, right...). Ya, that's assuming the Flood can de-evolve (though we know it can evolve faster than any other known species). Sorry if I'm totally off, I just find Warhammer insanely interesting! If you want to enlighten me further, just msg me. Thanks.

[Edited on 08.02.2011 7:00 PM PDT]

  • 08.02.2011 6:58 PM PDT


Posted by: anton1792
Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Once again, I must ask how the -blam!- the Forerunners ever beat them, or even got close to stealing precursor stuff if that is what they've done.

Either way, the Q could easily beat them.

But that's off-topic.

I'm a little dubious about Bear and his interplanetary bridges. With such a system, the planets would not be able to rotate, they would be in a position similar to being tidally locked. In that case one side gets scorched by the constant solar rays from the sun, and the other side freezes.

Also, this thermal gradient would drive extremely powerful and destructive storms making conditions on the surface even more hostile. Not that this debunks the fact that such a system exists in Bear's novels, but it seems like a scientific oversight on his part.


My point about the bridges. A friend who read cryptum(as I said in my post earlier) said to him, it came across as a portal, not a solid bridge.

  • 08.02.2011 7:03 PM PDT
  • gamertag: [none]
  • user homepage:

Posted by: chotato
smart, interesting, seems out of place.


Official fan of Assassin's Creed, Call of Duty, (Problem with that?) Halo, and Bungie, also a total gaming junkie.

Posted by: Dudin8er
But what if the UNSC used NOVA bombs against the Imperium, and had a Halo 1 pistol?


Well WH40K is screwed then. Trying to fight the CE Pistol is suicide.

  • 08.02.2011 7:22 PM PDT

Weapon of Oppression

I feel bad for the covenant most of all, for when they face the might of the xenohobic imperium of man, they'll know the true meaning of -blam!-.
The flood doesn't comare in any way to the tyranids or necrons.
Flood will just get steam rolled.
Hell Orks alone could solo both Unsc, covies and flood.

  • 08.02.2011 10:08 PM PDT

Flood's and Universe's Warhammer 40k fanatic and the one who knows much about it.

I also like House Stark and winter, hurr.


Posted by: Omega Ultimus
But, to be fair, didn't the Forerunnners have millions of world and battleships. And doesn't the Flood just de-evolve back into a bacterium and slowly evolve once again the living beings of the Warhammer universe (can't stop the Necrons, though)


...including the base station of the Imperial survey team who had been investigating the planet's complex of pyramid structures, and attempting to determine the reason for the apparently artificially caused lack of any living organisms, right down to bacterial and viral levels, on the planet.

Necrons seem to able to erase even on such small scale as bacterial. Going to such 'mode' wouldn't work for flood that well, especially since necrons are made of living metal and cant be infected, unless flood has ability to infect machines.

Alone, also Imperium of Man has more then million planets. With quick basic math, the average amount of ships defending sectors is about 63 or 62 ships, with most of the ships being escorts and cruisers. Commanding and higher inviduals will have for most of the time larger ships, such as grand cruisers and battleships in use.

If we take Calixis sector as an 'ordinary' sector, the amount of planets and objects in it would be about 198. If we assume that imperium holds over million worlds, ( let's assume that the amount is 1,1 million), there would be around 5555 sectors if I'm correct. So on, the amount of of ships from those defending battlefleets would be high as 349965 ships. Then, we could go and add battlefleets of segmentums, the numbers would rise more.

That people might understand in more fun way about the strength of imperium's fleet's might, watch this video.

Sure Forerunner's have more ships then IoM, but wank of having trillions of ships in single fleet sounds unbelievable. If we go and add ships of orks, necrons, adeptus mechanicus, eldar, dark eldar, tyranids, chaos, tau empire and others, the amount of vessels would rise easily over few millions. Then we need to remember how warp would affect these fights, and how haloverse's side is unable to understand it's nature.

If I'll go to uberwank mode, then I'd remind that Tzeentch knows everything, every though, every scrap of knowledge due the nature of his(?) realm. So on, the technology used by precursors is known and understood by 40k and can be defeated. But, I'll stay away from gods and such since they ruin all the fun in universe versus universe fights. Also, chaos gods cannot affect the reality in ways they might want, only warp is such place where their influence is greater then normal. Even still, they're able to corrupt certain things in reality quite easily.


Posted by: Omega Ultimus
Yet, it still looks like a hell of a lot of fun. Sorry if I'm totally off, I just find Warhammer insanely interesting!


It is. The hobby is alone great fun, so are the video games about 40k ( Space marine is released in few months, I recommend to check it out ) and the lore is among the best I've seen. If you someday see Games workshop store or place where 40k is played, trying a demo can be great fun. Also, you're not off at all under my judgement :3

If you wish to know more about the lore which is awesome, then check this page out.

Posted by: ExcellentSix

Hell Orks alone could solo both Unsc, covies and flood.


Here I have to disagree. Orks could overwhelm and defeat UNSC and Covenant with few proper WAAAGHs, but not flood. Going on against flood would most likely result huge infection spree and new forms to be created for flood. The numbers of orks could be greater for orks, but since the way how flood works would make them look more like negative point then positive.


Posted by: ROBERTO jh

The Imperium's numbers far outclass both, possibly combined, but at least the UNSC and Covenant would kill the -blam!- out of as many as they could before they eventually succumbed.

Question: how effective would a barrage of plasma rifle fire or a needle supercombine be against a SM?



The first part of the quote is true. While UNSC poses little threat, Covenant's fleets are able to deal quite nice damage to Imperium's.

I assume that if plasma isn't able to easily penetrate space marine's power armor, a barrage would only damage them. I'd assume that a hit in a good spot such as helmet would kill them quite effectively.

About supercombine, I believe it could also kill marines quite nicely. Though, my knowledge about these weapon's effects in lore is quite limited, so I can't give proper answer.

[Edited on 08.03.2011 3:18 AM PDT]

  • 08.03.2011 3:13 AM PDT

  • Pages:
  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • of 3