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Subject: I know what the great journey is!! [Forerunner]
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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?

I am sitting here re-reading the terminal and it is stupidly obvious.

"Mendicant Bias is trying to prevent us from firing the Array. He speeds back to the Ark, but he won't succeed. Offensive Bias will stop him, and I will burn this stinking menace in your name.

And then?

I will begin our Great Journey without you, carrying this bitter record. Those who came after will know what we bought with this [false transcendence] - what you bought, and the price you paid.


"



This is so easy do you guys see it?


Didact activates the array from the ark, which is where "burning" comes in as a metaphor for the array.


"And then"? that is clearly AFTER he has used the array and what will happen next.



"I, our. without you."


The Didact [i] heads the forerunners [our] mess exodus [Great journey] out of the orion arm without the librarian because she died on earth. The forerunners then carry a record of the mistakes they had made.




the "great journey" is the forerunners leaving the orion arm to a different space, something they have never done before.


clearly "false transcendence" is foreshadowing what the covenant think the forerunners did and that is blatantly obvious. the only question is how the didact knows of such events?



I know before i have been a huge advocator against Didact being at the ark; but since we know that primordium has a old man as a character that could make him being the human in the 343I terminal that activates 04 since chakas has black hair not bronze.


As for This seeming like a dent, didact could have stopped talking because, well he did just kill his wife. the "sleep" could be a reference to a cryptum or a long interstellar voyage.







[Edited on 08.02.2011 11:58 AM PDT]

  • 08.02.2011 11:32 AM PDT

"On the seventh day, god did not rest, but rather he created 64 player multiplayer!"

I'm not really seeing how this tells us WHAT the Great Journey is...

I love the complexity of the Forerunner history, but Prophets obviously misunderstood everything they learned from Mendicant Bias in the Dreadnaught. It's been a long time but MB even tells the Prophets straight up that they're misunderstanding him, doesn't he?

  • 08.02.2011 11:48 AM PDT

And that still doesn't explain the part where the Encyclopedia clearly states they left the Galaxy....

  • 08.02.2011 11:52 AM PDT
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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?


Posted by: ROBERTO jh
And that still doesn't explain the part where the Encyclopedia clearly states they left the Galaxy....


Did you read the thread at all?


Mass exodus, which means leaving or relocating which is what the great journey would be if they left the galaxy.

Which is also contradicted because it says they left the orion arm

  • 08.02.2011 11:56 AM PDT

@accordingto343

Your one stop shop for all of 343's fabulous errors and ridiculous notions in the Halo lore.

Sounds about as good as any theory about the Great Journey I've seen.

  • 08.02.2011 12:10 PM PDT

So the covenant tried to activate the rings because they hoped that a forerunner ship or something would pick them up like the first time the halo activated and all the forrunners boarded the ship and went to another planet that the covenant wants to be in?
Sorry of my bad english

  • 08.02.2011 12:27 PM PDT

I'm sure that originally in Halo canon, the Forerunners were killed by Halo being fired.

I liked that better. It was far more fitting, rather than them just burning everything behind them and buggering off.

  • 08.02.2011 3:00 PM PDT

I thought it was already a commonly accepted thing that the Great Journey was the Forerunner exodus from the Milky Way Galaxy (Or the arm, it's the same concept). That was made apparent in Cryptum, after all.

  • 08.02.2011 3:08 PM PDT

that was really really wired to say the least

  • 08.02.2011 3:10 PM PDT
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I killed him in the face!

The Great Journey is trying to activate the Halo rings because the Prophets believe that they, and all believers, will become gods..

That is what I hear.

  • 08.02.2011 3:16 PM PDT


Posted by: shadow alfa92
The Great Journey is trying to activate the Halo rings because the Prophets believe that they, and all believers, will become gods..

That is what I hear.

Well, yes, that's the interpretation the Covenant perpetrate. That's not the actual Great Journey that the Forerunners were talking about, though. The Covenant version is just a perversion.

  • 08.02.2011 3:21 PM PDT
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"but you already knew that, I mean, how couldn't you?

Only when no Human brick is left atop another, shall we be satisfied with your destruction.


Posted by: grey101
I will begin our Great Journey without you, carrying this bitter record. Those who came after will know what we bought with this [false transcendence] - what you bought, and the price you paid.


Why would he call an exodus a "false transcendance" though?

Perhaps it is something stranger than merely leaving?



I'm guessing the Forerunner glyph for "transcendance" and "false transcendance" are pretty similar, foolish San Shyuum, this is why you double-check your notes!

  • 08.02.2011 3:33 PM PDT


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Posted by: grey101
I will begin our Great Journey without you, carrying this bitter record. Those who came after will know what we bought with this [false transcendence] - what you bought, and the price you paid.


Why would he call an exodus a "false transcendance" though?

Perhaps it is something stranger than merely leaving?



I'm guessing the Forerunner glyph for "transcendance" and "false transcendance" are pretty similar, foolish San Shyuum, this is why you double-check your notes!

He's saying that they utterly failed in carrying "The Mantle" and protecting the universe. That though they may be "transcending" to a new location, it was only because they utterly -blam!- everything up. Didact was not happy that so many would die while he and others would flee to safety from the Flood.

  • 08.02.2011 3:36 PM PDT
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"but you already knew that, I mean, how couldn't you?

Only when no Human brick is left atop another, shall we be satisfied with your destruction.

I know he feels he failed everyone. And lets be frank, his people kind of did, even if their back up plan ended up rebuilding much of what was lost.

It does seem a very strange choice of words if he really just meant a relocation though.

  • 08.02.2011 3:43 PM PDT
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Do not waste your tears, I was not born to watch the world grow dim. Life is not measured in years, but by the deeds of men.

Posted by: goldhawk
We should know better, because we are better.

So what you are saying is they basically performed a mass migration and started somewhere else from scratch? Sounds like a Great Journey to me.
Posted by: Wolverfrog
I'm sure that originally in Halo canon, the Forerunners were killed by Halo being fired.

I liked that better. It was far more fitting, rather than them just burning everything behind them and buggering off.

I also agree with Wolver here. Them still living just feels wrong somehow.

  • 08.02.2011 5:08 PM PDT

The Forerunner, the Great Journey, and Heaven Theory

[Announcement Trailer] Halo: Forerunner

Posted by: Agustus
I lol'd at the absurd miscommunication that occurs whenever dibbs post something. Perhaps his brain is so highly evolved that he can no longer clearly communicate with lesser life forms, even among his own species.

I'm still a firm believer that Didact activated the Array from the Ark and that a "Great Journey" of some sort happened with the Forerunner (of which the end result is them still being alive somewhere).

Edit: Just a shameless self promotion for my own theory... I have to believe that the Forerunner Great Journey and the Covenant's idea of transcendence are actually one in the same. Bungie has already included so many biblical illusions and re-tellings (Flood, Ark, etc.) that it seems like the "Great Journey" would be a perfect opportunity to offer a retelling of what Heaven actually is.

[Edited on 08.02.2011 6:15 PM PDT]

  • 08.02.2011 6:12 PM PDT

Great post, this does seem to make a lot of sense.

  • 08.02.2011 9:08 PM PDT
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I think the Great Journey was figurative speech for all of them dying...

  • 08.02.2011 9:32 PM PDT

Berzerk Gnome

Interesting point, this makes me want to go back and reread all of the terminals. But so far my interpretation of what happened is also inferred from the Halo Legends back story,it is revealed to us that the forerunner at the time of the first firing of the array were way more advanced than any other species in the universe (obviously) so in order to preserve the rich variety of the galaxy they gathered up specimens of all other intelligent life and brought them back to the Ark before they fired the array to attempt to destroy the flood (compare this as a parallel to the biblical allegory of Noah's Ark ) After they fired the array they basically repopulated the other planets with the specimens they gathered. The first firing of the rings obviously didn't destroy all of the flood so this would probably be why the Forerunners left.

  • 08.02.2011 10:05 PM PDT
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Now this is relevant.....but how?

Well I am a bit confused, but you have inspired me to read some more things about Halo.

Seems interesting with off of this Forerunner stuff.

Good stuff. :)

  • 08.02.2011 10:15 PM PDT

I am invisible, understand, simply because people refuse to see me.
--Ralph Ellison

That's how I've always liked to think about The Great Journey.

The way I've see it is there are three possibilities:
1. They left the galaxy (like you said),
2. They all entered cryptums, or
3. They're in Shield installations

I firmly don't believe that they killed themselves with the firing of the Halos or that they somehow died out some other way.

It is also probable that they would enter cryptums on their way to another galaxy so that would sort of put the first two possibilities together. I don't really believe that they're hiding out in Shield worlds.

  • 08.02.2011 10:29 PM PDT

Berzerk Gnome

Well wherever they are we know that they arrived there because they had to flee from the flood, before they fired the rings the first time the flood weren't everywhere running rampant all over Forerunner installations. After they started repopulating the universe the Flood showed back up on their home front so to speak,as in the flood hid in between the cracks and worked their way onto Forerunner installations which caused them to flee.

[Edited on 08.02.2011 10:47 PM PDT]

  • 08.02.2011 10:46 PM PDT
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Posted by: KoO 101

I firmly don't believe that they killed themselves with the firing of the Halos or that they somehow died out some other way.


Why not? After Mendicant Bias had broken through the Maginot Sphere, they had no choice but to fire the Halos; otherwise, Mendicant Bias would get in and disable them. Therefore, they had to fire the Halos before any of them could get inside a shield installation. That's how I see it.

  • 08.03.2011 8:50 AM PDT
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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?


Posted by: Berzerk Gnome
Interesting point, this makes me want to go back and reread all of the terminals.


you need to buy cryptum along with others that don't have it already.

  • 08.03.2011 9:36 AM PDT