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Subject: Halo 4/5/6 Canon Discussion Thread of Superior Justice

@accordingto343

Your one stop shop for all of 343's fabulous errors and ridiculous notions in the Halo lore.

While 343 Industries has been given the mantle of the Halo franchise, they are making a new trilogy of Halo games. With that will come to stories to the Halo lore, a concept discussed heavily here in the Bungie Universe Forum. Unless stated otherwise, I believe even 343's new title's fall under that jurisdiction as did Halo Wars did in this board's infancy, developed by Ensemble Studios.

If not, then a moderator can locked this thread and discussion can go to 343's Halo Waypoint Forums.

The main purpose of this thread is to reduce repeat topic regarding the games of the new trilogy. However, things like multiplayer are not the purpose for this thread. Here, discuss the possible additions to the Halo lore the games will give. Things like where Chief is going to go, his possible death, and who he may fight are acceptable topics.

Thank you.

  • 08.02.2011 8:15 PM PDT
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Member of Bungie.net for nearly three years, still continuing!

Enjoy what you have and live on.

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By all means, I agree with your statement, Cobra. It's tiring to see that repeat threads about Halo 4 or whatever over again. I think it's time for those folks learn a meaning of using the Google to answer their asked questions.

  • 08.02.2011 8:18 PM PDT
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Do not waste your tears, I was not born to watch the world grow dim. Life is not measured in years, but by the deeds of men.

Posted by: goldhawk
We should know better, because we are better.

I am expecting Precursors and Forerunners to appear and there to be more backstory to them both.

  • 08.02.2011 8:29 PM PDT

Berzerk Gnome

As I have stated in other previous posts this new trilogy will most definitely focus on the much larger conflict which is between the Forerunner and the Flood and how their ancient conflict helped shape the universe,Chief is basically the liaison between the lesser races of the galaxy and the Forerunner since by chance he has stumbled across a forerunner installation of some sort.

  • 08.02.2011 10:22 PM PDT

Weapon of Oppression

Ok....
Halo 4 = masterchief lands in giant robot planet, meets forerunners, discovers destiny. Cortana ponders on her emotions, masterchief has confrontation with enemy, and gets new armor.
Halo 5= cortana turns human. Master chief has face reveled.
He is ugly. Cortana is mad and wants to be a.I. again, but can't so commits blamicide.
Masterchief is now sad. Masterchief escaes robot planet, because mysterious enemy escapes.
Halo 6= master chief rallys covies and unsc, to have massive war, but all get rolfstomped.
Master chief uses his armor to become suerman, and destorys fleet of enemy.
He is hapy and now lives in peace and quiet.
The end.
Microsoft gets mad, and has flood take over galaxy, now aliens from another galaxy come and find flood.
Microsoft thinks this is genius, now we get another trilogy and books.
Yay more money and milk for microsoft.

  • 08.02.2011 10:29 PM PDT


Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Things like where Chief is going to go, his possible death, and who he may fight are acceptable topics.

I would be soooooooo pissed if the Master Chief were to die. I don't know what I would do.

  • 08.03.2011 12:15 AM PDT

Posted by: urk
Eat raw meat.
Punch a bear in the face.


If you don't know who I am, the feeling is mutual.

I've gotten halfway through Greg Bear's Halo: Cryptum, and it's probably the best sci-fi novel I've read in awhile.

The one thing I've noticed going through past Halo games is that the best levels featured Master Chief, alone, traversing alien landscapes. Think of the memorable levels from Combat Evolved: racing through the ring's grassy hills in "Halo"; searching for the Silent Cartographer; fighting through the snowy plains to reach the Control Room before the Covenant; hunting for the mysterious presence, entirely alone, in the underground complex on "Guilty Spark"... all of those levels featured two things: the Chief and something that fills the player with awe. That's it. Throw Cortana in the mix to tell you what you're doing and provide some life and you have Xbox's smash hit.

Frankly, I think Bungie fell short in Halo 3 and Halo: Reach:

In 3, MC had the Arbiter around and took place on Earth for the first half of the game. With these elements, there was nothing spectacular to admire and there was a visible character that reminded me that Brutes needed to die. Even when the gang arrived on the Ark and the new Halo ring, it was mostly about killing the Covenant and stopping the Flood. That changed the game from "Halo" to "generic sci-fi FPS game that happens to take place in the Halo universe" (the marketing team thought that keeping the title as "Halo" was cheaper to advertise).

In Reach... well... you had Noble Team and a Covenant Invasion. The sky was pretty, but you had Carter, Kat, Jun, Emile, Jorge, and Colonel Holland all telling you that there was more Covies to kill. There was no alien wonder to see, just something recognizable that we've all seen before: an alien invasion. Even once the player sees something alien, the game forces us to take cover under the overhang of the science facility to give Dr. Halsey the time to get Cortana prepped to go. Hell, that giant Forerunner structure is never explained more than "it can win the Human/Covenant war". As a soldier in the midst of a war, that's likely all the information one would receive, but that is NOT A+ WRITING IN A FICTIONAL STORY. The player doesn't want to be left in the dark, it's much more engaging to learn that that structure is a giant Forerunner data storage base, left behind for a future generation to discover and use to help defeat the Flood, or something.

ODST, I think, was the closest Halo game to Combat Evolved to capture that feeling of awe for me. Travelling the dark city of New Mombasa, encountering sparse Covenant patrols as the Rookie to find clues as to the location of the rest of his squad... THAT'S ENGAGING. I am sad that ODST wasn't as great as it deserved to be, I think that game could've EASILY have been GOTY material if Bungie focused on that instead of Reach. A larger city, a more intricate plot, more developed characters, more varied missions, and a larger Firefight mode (with more maps and DLC)... I think that's a game that 343 should look into.

Halo 2 did well, too. Delta Halo and Regret are probably two of my favourite levels in ANY VIDEO GAME EVER. Even some of the Arbiter missions were pretty good. Still, the game WAS rushed and did have problems...

In my opinion, if 343 has less main characters and focused more on what the player could see, I think Halo 4 though 6 will be pretty good. Think about it, the first Halo game had MC, Cortana, Keyes, and Guilty Spark for main characters (hell, MC was more of a vessel for the player than a character). Besides that, there was Johnson (to some degree) and Foehammer. That would work. Focus on a few characters struggling to unravel some crazy mystery, and you got a winner.

tl;dr - more pretty alien structures, more mystery, more cowbell.

  • 08.03.2011 12:50 AM PDT


Posted by: Berzerk Gnome
focus on the much larger conflict which is between the Forerunner and the Flood and how their ancient conflict helped shape the universe,Chief is basically the liaison between the lesser races of the galaxy and the Forerunner since by chance he has stumbled across a forerunner installation of some sort.


+1.

I also believe this

  • 08.03.2011 1:16 AM PDT


Posted by: RabidNutCase45
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I completely agree.

  • 08.03.2011 2:53 AM PDT
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UWG

My jokes, so I don't lose them (ignore this):
ZedFish's Opinion on Sgt. Foley.
ZedFish's Forerunner Rickroll.

I support this. Completely, and wholly.

And I like the title.
:3

  • 08.03.2011 4:35 AM PDT

The Forerunner kept mysterious always added to the wonder of Halo, its always better to have the consumers of the product hungry for answers so it would be wise for the Forerunner to retain thier mystery, but the vessel which is before MC in the H4 teaser looks distinctly Forerunner, could it be in the hands of a race we have not yet seen? - and if so what would thier motivation be? With all the recent ring activity and near misses of late some sort of Halo guardian may have been alerted, it may be that its thier job to determine risk of flood infection and assist in the firing of any rings.

  • 08.03.2011 5:21 AM PDT
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I understand nothing because my life is a conspiracy.

I think we have to analyze key things from books/games that 343 Industries will use to help them make a game. Lets start:
*Cortana is going to go rampant soon (right?).
*343 Guilty Spark, a product of the Forerunners, refers to Master Chief as the "Reclaimer", or someone who has to activate a Halo Ring.
*Protocol Dictates Action
So based on stuff, this is my prediction.

Master Chief will be abducted by the Forerunners, but taken as an Ally. They know what he has done: destroyed Installation 04 (twice), fought off the Flood, etc. Then, a "new ancient evil", which are the sworn enemy of the Forerunners, will board the ship and you will have to fight them off. After the enemy has been neutralized, you will finish being told about your mission. Throughout the campaign you will be completing tasks for the Forerunners and eventually fight of the Flood who have returned. It turns out the new enemy were the creators if the Flood and unleashed it upon their Forerunner enemies to exterminate them. In the end you probably will have to get on a big gun and fight off the rest of the enemies around the Forerunner planet, but even though the battle has been won, the War rages on.

Ok, on to the next game.

This game will start to highlight the history of the conflict between the Forerunners, the Flood, and the new enemy. It will also tie in the books to the game because you will find out about Onyx and go there to rescue the Spartans. and Halsey from the shield world. When they get there, the new enemy had the shield world occupied and you have to fight to take control of Onyx. You eventually take the planet and rescue your friends. Some die, but all S-IIs and a few S-IIIs survive. This will be your team for the final game. When you return to the Forerunner, they tell you that Halsey can go but the Spartans must stay. Halsey gets a lock on your position before she returns home.

Now for the final game.

You will bring an end to the new enemy by launching a full scale attack on them. You are successful. The Forerunners want you to do more. You are a team of 6. They separate you to activate each Halo. None of them are in the range of humans, since Instillation 04 has been destroyed. You refuse, saying there must be another way and the Flood are mostly gone. They are angry and attack you. You now must escape. You do this, but in the end, as all hope seems lost, a UNSC fleet comes to assist you. You make it, but you think the Forerunners may pursue you. This is where there are 3 options for 343i:

1.) Go home, be safe, end the series.

2.) Go to the Forerunner planet and destroy it along with yourself, the other Forerunner things, and the Flood.

3.) Go home and make a third trilogy, or just Halo 7.

I win.

Edit: And Cortana may go rampant during the games but she is saved or tries to kill you.

[Edited on 08.03.2011 5:44 AM PDT]

  • 08.03.2011 5:41 AM PDT

@accordingto343

Your one stop shop for all of 343's fabulous errors and ridiculous notions in the Halo lore.

I've seen some great ideas s far guys, keep it up.

  • 08.03.2011 9:21 AM PDT

I was under the impression that humans were decendants of Forerunners. So in a way they are Forerunners. To me it wouldn't make sense if any Forerunners on the Legendary planet would attack humans, their decendants.

  • 08.03.2011 1:59 PM PDT

Oh hey there

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Posted by: RabidNutCase45
I've gotten halfway through Greg Bear's Halo: Cryptum
The best parts of the story come at the end.

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Posted by: MWLB4244
I was under the impression that humans were decendants of Forerunners. So in a way they are Forerunners. To me it wouldn't make sense if any Forerunners on the Legendary planet would attack humans, their decendants.

They did though. They fought a war with Humanity and de-evolutionized them back to the Stone Age.

  • 08.03.2011 2:32 PM PDT

So last night I was laying in my bed, looking up at the stars, thinking "where the HELL is my roof."


Posted by: lime013
Edit: And Cortana may go rampant during the games but she is saved or tries to kill you.

If I understood right, Cortana already went rampant while the flood had her and became metastable (meaning she can now me considered a full "person"). either that, or she was already going rampant in halo 3.

  • 08.03.2011 2:51 PM PDT

@accordingto343

Your one stop shop for all of 343's fabulous errors and ridiculous notions in the Halo lore.

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Posted by: lime013
Edit: And Cortana may go rampant during the games but she is saved or tries to kill you.

If I understood right, Cortana already went rampant while the flood had her and became metastable (meaning she can now me considered a full "person"). either that, or she was already going rampant in halo 3.


I guess we'll find out in the new trilogy, but I too was under the impression she reached metastability by the closing of Halo 3.

  • 08.03.2011 3:41 PM PDT

i would love to have microsoft rip off ironman! lol jk but a new suit of armor would be nice and to whoever said he was ugly,you try reading the books and see what hes been through and i want to see you survive

  • 08.03.2011 3:53 PM PDT

@accordingto343

Your one stop shop for all of 343's fabulous errors and ridiculous notions in the Halo lore.

A new suit of MJOLNIR armor is impossible at this point. However, a patchwork suit of Chief's current armor and Forerunner armor would be great.

  • 08.03.2011 3:54 PM PDT

I'm guessing it will be a whole new enemy. Something Forerunner esque (but not the Forerunner themselves) I think it possibly wear full body armor. Or it would be an enemy that seems less human, like the flood. Maybe it would be an enemy that the Forerunner had a war with, and that species was isolated to this planet (but the Forerunner they fought on this planet are all dead, thus keeping some mystery to the Forerunner) Maybe they will have a weapon type, something that sends out a pulse.



  • 08.03.2011 4:04 PM PDT

It's going to be pretty interesting how they handle the enemies in the new trilogy. We're done fighting covenant and the flood just run up to you and try to hit you or slowly walk forwards shooting you. Good for a faction but not good for the main cheese. Sentinels are a no-no for main enemy since you'd have to find a way to make them the enemies for 5 and 6 and I doubt anyone wants to fight them for a whole trilogy. Forerunners being the enemy in my mind is absurd as I doubt they would have any resentments towards humanity now. If they do appear (which I hope) then they would be allies of the chief. The only thing that could possibly be the new antagonist is The Primordial however that could change during Halo: Primordium or the book that follows it.

  • 08.03.2011 7:33 PM PDT


Posted by: Dante536

Posted by: MWLB4244
I was under the impression that humans were decendants of Forerunners. So in a way they are Forerunners. To me it wouldn't make sense if any Forerunners on the Legendary planet would attack humans, their decendants.

They did though. They fought a war with Humanity and de-evolutionized them back to the Stone Age.
I missed this happening unless it was in Halo: Cryptum. I haven't read that yet.

  • 08.03.2011 7:48 PM PDT

the one who jokes to much

Also Humanity are not the forerunners' Descandants but merely a brother-race. Both the forerunners and Humanity were created by the Precursors


Posted by: MWLB4244

Posted by: Dante536

Posted by: MWLB4244
I was under the impression that humans were decendants of Forerunners. So in a way they are Forerunners. To me it wouldn't make sense if any Forerunners on the Legendary planet would attack humans, their decendants.

They did though. They fought a war with Humanity and de-evolutionized them back to the Stone Age.
I missed this happening unless it was in Halo: Cryptum. I haven't read that yet.

  • 08.03.2011 7:58 PM PDT

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