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Subject: Spartans vs elites.

I know this has been the topic of much flaming and such but my friend has been fighting about this non stop with me.
I have always thought spartans were usually superior to elites, while my friend has thought that spartans were only equal to elites if that. So every time halo gets brought up he keeps saying spartans suck and they die from grunts easily. I try to defend my logic since I have read almost every halo book and see that they are superior to elites in every case.

He finally came to an agreement today and said if he hears from the halo universe forum which is better he will come to a conclusion.

We would like to hear from you about which is better and why. I just want to leave this stupid argument to rest.

tl;dr Friend thinks spartans suck and elites are better. I think spartans are better than elites. Friend agreed if he hears which is better from this forum he will end his arguing once and for all. So I ask you one final time spartans or elites. The universe depends upon it.

  • 08.04.2011 3:19 AM PDT
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Technically, Spartans are about equal to higher-ranked Elites... but the Spartans have killed more Elites than the Elites have Spartans.
I imagine that the Spartan's resourcefulness and tactics make them the better side on the battlefield.

  • 08.04.2011 3:21 AM PDT

clicky mandables give them the advantage

  • 08.04.2011 3:22 AM PDT

Low level Elites are not as dangerous as a fully trained Spartan due to their lack of discipline and hotheadedness. High ranking Elites like Zealots and Spec Ops units though could be easily considered equal to Spartans.

  • 08.04.2011 3:23 AM PDT

*reminisces when the Bungie/Halo community wasn't made up of CoD kids*
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glory days here I come..
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Posted by: NINJAinTIGHTS
Low level Elites are not as dangerous as a fully trained Spartan due to their lack of discipline and hotheadedness. High ranking Elites like Zealots and Spec Ops units though could be easily considered equal to Spartans.

This.

  • 08.04.2011 3:49 AM PDT
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Posted by: NINJAinTIGHTS
Low level Elites are not as dangerous as a fully trained Spartan due to their lack of discipline and hotheadedness. High ranking Elites like Zealots and Spec Ops units though could be easily considered equal to Spartans.


Yes, although if we're speaking in terms of shield strength (which we're not, but just mentioning another measure) then Spartan-IIs are roughly equal to Sangheili Majors.

  • 08.04.2011 3:56 AM PDT

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Posted by: NINJAinTIGHTS
Low level Elites are not as dangerous as a fully trained Spartan due to their lack of discipline and hotheadedness. High ranking Elites like Zealots and Spec Ops units though could be easily considered equal to Spartans.


^ Tru7h.

  • 08.04.2011 4:11 AM PDT


Posted by: NINJAinTIGHTS
Low level Elites are not as dangerous as a fully trained Spartan due to their lack of discipline and hotheadedness. High ranking Elites like Zealots and Spec Ops units though could be easily considered equal to Spartans.
Fair enough I can believe that and it seems more or less a compromise. But let me ask you this how does Noble Six defeat 4 zealots on pillar of autumn? It counts as canon regardless of difficulty there is 4 of them and it seems like something the covenant would do send a squad of zealots. What about the other spartans surely no elite could much Kelly's speed and beat her in CQC?

These are all questions and I am not arguing a point just asking some intriguing questions. If high level elites are on par with spartans than what rank would that elite be? Zealot, shipmaster, fleetmaster, councilor?

[Edited on 08.04.2011 5:03 AM PDT]

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Posted by: RU551NSP4RT4N

Fair enough I can believe that and it seems more or less a compromise. But let me ask you this how does Noble Six defeat 4 zealots on pillar of autumn? It counts as canon regardless of difficulty there is 4 of them and it seems like something the covenant would do send a squad of zealots.


Exactly - it counts as canon. Let's treat Halo as just a story rather than a game with a story, and ask how a Spartan-III rather than a player would go about killing four Zealots. As according to canon and the general consensus in this topic Noble Six wouldn't stand a chance against four Zealots at once, it is likely that (s)he picked them off one by one.

Posted by: RU551NSP4RT4N

What about the other spartans surely no elite could much Kelly's speed and beat her in CQC?


It's all subjective, really. Just as it depends on the Elite, as we've been saying, it depends on the Spartan as well.

Posted by: RU551NSP4RT4N

These are all questions and I am not arguing a point just asking some intriguing questions. If high level elites are on par with spartans than what rank would that elite be? Zealot, shipmaster, fleetmaster, councilor?


High-ranking Elites hold two advantages over Minors and such: shield strength and experience. Again it depends on the specifics. For the former it's quite easy to work out, for the latter it's a matter of reasoning that even, say, a Councilor would doubtless be at the very least proficient in combat.

There. Phew.

  • 08.04.2011 5:31 AM PDT
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Posted by: RU551NSP4RT4N

Fair enough I can believe that and it seems more or less a compromise.


Ninja has it right, Spartans are highly trained operatives, and it takes a highly trained or highly experienced Elite to match their skill.

Elites may have a slight physical/equipment advantage, but Spartans get better training.

Highly trained or experienced Sangheili are easily the equal of a Spartan though: Specialists N'tho 'Sraom and Usze 'Taham, from Halo 3 are highly trained Special Operations Sangheili that are definitely up to Spartan standards, and of course there is The Arbiter (a former fleet commander), who is pretty much as good as John-117.

But let me ask you this how does Noble Six defeat 4 zealots on pillar of autumn? It counts as canon regardless of difficulty there is 4 of them and it seems like something the covenant would do send a squad of zealots. What about the other spartans surely no elite could much Kelly's speed and beat her in CQC?

Six is really good, or sneaky, but probably both.

Specific individuals may have advantages here and there, best just to keep it general, the Arbiter for example is not an average Sangheili.

These are all questions and I am not arguing a point just asking some intriguing questions. If high level elites are on par with spartans than what rank would that elite be? Zealot, shipmaster, fleetmaster, councilor?

It would depend on training and experience, not rank per se.

Special operations troops would be more highly trained while holding lower rank, similarly an officer that has been promoted for his skill in space balles might not be all that great in ground combat.

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Posted by: Fin5434p

It would depend on training and experience, not rank per se.

Special operations troops would be more highly trained while holding lower rank, similarly an officer that has been promoted for his skill in space balles might not be all that great in ground combat.


True, but remember that what we know of Sangheili culture leaves no room for doubt that officers would have been trained in combat for years during their childhood and adolescence. In addition, many of them learn the art of the sword as a rank privilege which wouldn't do any harm.

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I'm sure they wouldn't be pushovers. All I'm saying is that a naval officer who has little time for personal combat training might give a Spartan less trouble than a spec ops trooper who's life depends on his personal combat skill.

  • 08.04.2011 6:05 AM PDT

Posted by: Fin5434p
I'm sure they wouldn't be pushovers. All I'm saying is that a naval officer who has little time for personal combat training might give a Spartan less trouble than a spec ops trooper who's life depends on his personal combat skill.


I don't think elites have any real seperation between their ground forces and their naval staff.

They're still a meritocracy; so the shipmasters earn their places. They still have to rise up the lower ranks, learning and bringing that skill and knowledge with them. I think the same would serve for the weapons officers who would have risen up through ranks of vehicle or munitions specialists.

  • 08.04.2011 6:28 AM PDT

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Spartans are roughly the human equivalent of an Elite Major, now, before anybody disagrees and says how they have killed so much Elites through the war, it is true, but 9 times out of 10 it will be an armed combat which nullifies their abilities besides that of get some cover and shoot better.

But physically, an Elite Minor could still dish out a fight to a fully trained Spartan (see Fall of Reach, where John could not overpower a Minor as they fought for a Plasma Pistol and he had to lock his armor's wrist mechanism to not lose the struggle).

  • 08.04.2011 10:06 AM PDT


Posted by: RKOSNAKE
Spartans are roughly the human equivalent of an Elite Major, now, before anybody disagrees and says how they have killed so much Elites through the war, it is true, but 9 times out of 10 it will be an armed combat which nullifies their abilities besides that of get some cover and shoot better.

But physically, an Elite Minor could still dish out a fight to a fully trained Spartan (see Fall of Reach, where John could not overpower a Minor as they fought for a Plasma Pistol and he had to lock his armor's wrist mechanism to not lose the struggle).
Its been said already that is shield strength and physical strength. That being said its been agreed on spartans are only equaled by high ranking elites. Armed combat what are you spewing good sir? War in the 26 century is fought with bullets mostly and if you say that elites have to get close for it to be a good fight than that is just plain dumb.

Ok Yeah I believe that on average all elites are about the same strength or so. That also being said that elite minor was a meter taller than John being a freak of nature. Of coarse it was as strong as him. Hell an elite that is ten feet tall should be freakishly strong. It would certainly be as strong as any other elite if not stronger than even some zealots due to its enormous size.

Rkosnake you have nothing better than to troll get out of my thread.

[Edited on 08.04.2011 11:12 AM PDT]

  • 08.04.2011 11:11 AM PDT

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Posted by: RU551NSP4RT4N

Posted by: RKOSNAKE
Spartans are roughly the human equivalent of an Elite Major, now, before anybody disagrees and says how they have killed so much Elites through the war, it is true, but 9 times out of 10 it will be an armed combat which nullifies their abilities besides that of get some cover and shoot better.

But physically, an Elite Minor could still dish out a fight to a fully trained Spartan (see Fall of Reach, where John could not overpower a Minor as they fought for a Plasma Pistol and he had to lock his armor's wrist mechanism to not lose the struggle).
Its been said already that is shield strength and physical strength. That being said its been agreed on spartans are only equaled by high ranking elites. Armed combat what are you spewing good sir? War in the 26 century is fought with bullets mostly and if you say that elites have to get close for it to be a good fight than that is just plain dumb.

Ok Yeah I believe that on average all elites are about the same strength or so. That also being said that elite minor was a meter taller than John being a freak of nature. Of coarse it was as strong as him. Hell an elite that is ten feet tall should be freakishly strong. It would certainly be as strong as any other elite if not stronger than even some zealots due to its enormous size.

Rkosnake you have nothing better than to troll get out of my thread.


have you even read the books?

John constantly expresses how he wishes not to fight elites in H2H combat and in every situation they have all been minors.

You need to brush up on your knowledge before you try to attack somebody that knows very well what they are talking about only because this thread has been made over 9,000 times and the answer is always the same.


Elites are better than spartans due to the fact they aren't augmented nor do they use power armor. Take a spartan out of his power armor and they wouldn't be able to fight an elite seeing how they are only equal to an elite in it. Along with the fact if you give an elite power armor and augment it, the elite would be on a whole different level.

  • 08.04.2011 11:20 AM PDT

Elites and Spartans are pretty much equals in terms of combat strength. The higher ranking the Elite is though the more difficulty a Spartan will have against them, but ultimately the two are pretty much on the same level as the other and neither group is automatically better or worse. Individuals however, yes, there would be some Elites better than Spartan or Spartans better than Elites, but as a whole neither one is better or worse.

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Posted by: NINJAinTIGHTS
Low level Elites are not as dangerous as a fully trained Spartan due to their lack of discipline and hotheadedness. High ranking Elites like Zealots and Spec Ops units though could be easily considered equal to Spartans.


Yes, although if we're speaking in terms of shield strength (which we're not, but just mentioning another measure) then Spartan-IIs are roughly equal to Sangheili Majors.


False. It is clearly stated in The Flood and Fall of Reach that Spartan shields are stronger.


Other then that though, I agree 100% with every thing else in this thread.

[Edited on 08.04.2011 12:23 PM PDT]

  • 08.04.2011 12:20 PM PDT

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Posted by: OrderedComa
Elites and Spartans are pretty much equals in terms of combat strength. The higher ranking the Elite is though the more difficulty a Spartan will have against them, but ultimately the two are pretty much on the same level as the other and neither group is automatically better or worse. Individuals however, yes, there would be some Elites better than Spartan or Spartans better than Elites, but as a whole neither one is better or worse.

This, pretty much.

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Posted by: ZedFish
Technically, Spartans are about equal to higher-ranked Elites... but the Spartans have killed more Elites than the Elites have Spartans.
I imagine that the Spartan's resourcefulness and tactics make them the better side on the battlefield.


From a strength standpoint, a Spartan is about as strong as an Elite Major. for derps, it's the red Elites. But for tactics and teamwork, they for sure sit up with the higher ranked Elites, minus all the sending troops into suicide thing.

  • 08.04.2011 12:54 PM PDT

But Noble Six is a "Hyper Lethal Vector". That puts him on par with 117.

  • 08.05.2011 7:44 PM PDT

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Posted by: Dr deadmaker
But Noble Six is a "Hyper Lethal Vector". That puts him on par with 117.


Noble Six =/= every Spartan



Sidenote: Was it ever confirmed that the MC was the Hyper Lethal Vector? I think that's Linda.

  • 08.05.2011 7:56 PM PDT

Don't forget that the Chief has luck on his side.
And I think the Hyper Lethal Vector thing about Six was referring to the player seeing as we control him/her.
It would really depend on the Elite, for example the Arbiter and MC are pretty much on par with each other. Well that's how I see it anyway.

  • 08.05.2011 10:47 PM PDT

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Posted by: ZedFish
Technically, Spartans are about equal to higher-ranked Elites... but the Spartans have killed more Elites than the Elites have Spartans.
I imagine that the Spartan's resourcefulness and tactics make them the better side on the battlefield.
The reason Spartans killed more Elites: Spartans used guns, ran for cover, and used long ranged weapons, their numbers were also limited, while Elites are the superior species in my opinion, they use mostly close ranged weapons, and their entire species is used by the Covenant. Elites also go Rambo most of the time. Also, Elites, FTW!

  • 08.05.2011 10:55 PM PDT

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