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Subject: What is Phoenix?

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Mentioned a number of times in the "O Brave New World" Vidoc, Bungie had a project called "Phoenix" at the same time as Halo CE and ONI.
Is this a dropped project? What do we know about it?

  • 08.04.2011 1:14 PM PDT

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  • 08.04.2011 1:15 PM PDT
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it was a project that got cancelled early in development. I'm guessing it had some medieval or fantasy elements in it.

  • 08.04.2011 1:15 PM PDT

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I think it was a codename, like "Blam!". It may have been the Halo MMO that was dropped...

  • 08.04.2011 1:15 PM PDT
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It was an original project that got cancelled around the time Halo 2 came out. Basically, in order to meet their deadlines for the Halo games, Bungie had to cut every other project they were working on. This is part of what motivated their split from Microsoft.

Nobody knows for sure what Phoenix would have become, but it was thought to be a medieval action game of some type. Another codename for the project was Breach.

  • 08.04.2011 1:18 PM PDT


Posted by: Arbiter 739
I think it was a codename, like "Blam!". It may have been the Halo MMO that was dropped...


>>Halo MMO

>>Developed at the same time as Halo 1

>>sense is made.

You're a -blam!- moron.

  • 08.04.2011 1:18 PM PDT
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This is concept art from the Phoenix/Breach project.

http://mrflippy.net/images/craigmullins/Breach_04.jpg

  • 08.04.2011 1:20 PM PDT

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It's on the Bungie wiki.

[Edited on 08.04.2011 1:21 PM PDT]

  • 08.04.2011 1:21 PM PDT
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More art.

http://mrflippy.net/images/craigmullins/Breach_02.jpg
http://mrflippy.net/images/craigmullins/Breach_03.jpg

Looks like it would have been pretty badass, right? Oh well. Hopefully they'll revive it someday.

OR MAYBE THEY ALREADY HAVE.

[Edited on 08.04.2011 1:24 PM PDT]

  • 08.04.2011 1:23 PM PDT

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Posted by: car15
More art.

http://mrflippy.net/images/craigmullins/Breach_02.jpg
http://mrflippy.net/images/craigmullins/Breach_03.jpg

Looks like it would have been pretty badass, right? Oh well. Hopefully they'll revive it someday.

OR MAYBE THEY ALREADY HAVE.

My thoughts exactly.
Notice how the new forum ninja avatars are the Phoenix logo?

  • 08.04.2011 1:25 PM PDT
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Yes! These are very exciting times.

  • 08.04.2011 1:27 PM PDT

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Posted by: Arbiter 739
I think it was a codename, like "Blam!". It may have been the Halo MMO that was dropped...


>>Halo MMO

>>Developed at the same time as Halo 1

>>sense is made.

You're a -blam!- moron.


*facepalm*

Well other than a DS game and a supposed Gameboy game I don't have any other guesses.

  • 08.04.2011 1:30 PM PDT

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Posted by: car15
More art.

http://mrflippy.net/images/craigmullins/Breach_02.jpg
http://mrflippy.net/images/craigmullins/Breach_03.jpg

Looks like it would have been pretty badass, right? Oh well. Hopefully they'll revive it someday.

OR MAYBE THEY ALREADY HAVE.

My thoughts exactly.
Notice how the new forum ninja avatars are the Phoenix logo?


Realy? Then it might be the project, or it could be the base idea but with many changes. I'd bet it isn't what it started out ot be anymore by a long shot considering how long it's been left alone.

  • 08.04.2011 1:32 PM PDT
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Maybe, or it could simply be a dead project that Bungie likes to reference from time to time. My theory is that it's a secret second game Bungie is developing alongside their new IP. We'll just have to wait and see.

  • 08.04.2011 1:34 PM PDT

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Posted by: Tempus Irae

Posted by: Arbiter 739
I think it was a codename, like "Blam!". It may have been the Halo MMO that was dropped...


>>Halo MMO

>>Developed at the same time as Halo 1

>>sense is made.

You're a -blam!- moron.


*facepalm*

Well other than a DS game and a supposed Gameboy game I don't have any other guesses.


Not everything Bungie was working on at the time was for Halo. And they've made games beside Halo.


Posted by: car15
Maybe, or it could simply be a dead project that Bungie likes to reference from time to time. My theory is that it's a secret second game Bungie is developing alongside their new IP. We'll just have to wait and see.


Or it's actually dead and they aren't reviving it. If Bungie revived every dead game they made then where's the speculation about Mosaic, which is just as dead as this Phoenix thing?

[Edited on 08.04.2011 1:38 PM PDT]

  • 08.04.2011 1:35 PM PDT
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Posted by: Tempus Irae

Not everything Bungie was working on at the time was for Halo. And they've made games beside Halo.

Yeah, if I had one complaint about the ViDoc, it's that they didn't spend enough time talking about Marathon and Myth and that stuff.

  • 08.04.2011 1:36 PM PDT
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Posted by: Tempus Irae
Posted by: car15
Maybe, or it could simply be a dead project that Bungie likes to reference from time to time. My theory is that it's a secret second game Bungie is developing alongside their new IP. We'll just have to wait and see.


Or it's actually dead and they aren't reviving it. If Bungie revived every dead game they made then where's the speculation about Mosaic, which is just as dead as this Phoenix thing?

Hey, one can dream, right?

The only reason I think Phoenix might come back from the dead is because so much work went into it. They spent quite a large chunk of time on that project, and although it never got off the ground, it would be sad to see that much work go to waste.

  • 08.04.2011 1:49 PM PDT


Posted by: car15

Posted by: Tempus Irae
Posted by: car15
Maybe, or it could simply be a dead project that Bungie likes to reference from time to time. My theory is that it's a secret second game Bungie is developing alongside their new IP. We'll just have to wait and see.


Or it's actually dead and they aren't reviving it. If Bungie revived every dead game they made then where's the speculation about Mosaic, which is just as dead as this Phoenix thing?

Hey, one can dream, right?

The only reason I think Phoenix might come back from the dead is because so much work went into it. They spent quite a large chunk of time on that project, and although it never got off the ground, it would be sad to see that much work go to waste.


But that's the point: It never got off the ground, and little of the original Phoenix group remains. Also, there's little evidence as to what stage the game was in.

  • 08.04.2011 2:11 PM PDT
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You have a point. However, the way Bungie talks about Phoenix, it sounds less like they didn't know where to go with it and more like Microsoft made them cancel the project so that they could focus on Halo games.

But yeah, most of the original team is no longer with Bungie.

[Edited on 08.04.2011 2:14 PM PDT]

  • 08.04.2011 2:13 PM PDT


Posted by: car15
You have a point. However, the way Bungie talks about Phoenix, it sounds less like they didn't know where to go with it and more like Microsoft made them cancel the project so that they could focus on Halo games.

But yeah, most of the original team is no longer with Bungie.


Hmm? They never said Microsoft forced them to cancel Phoenix. And Bungie has said very little about Phoenix. We don't know the whole story about what happened to it.

  • 08.04.2011 2:17 PM PDT

I grew up playing your games Bungie, and I sure as hell am looking forward to whatever you decide to do next.

Well the Phoenix symbol has popped up in Halo believe it or not. Check out the Vanguard achievement in Halo 3.

  • 08.04.2011 2:24 PM PDT
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They never said it, but they've talked about merging the Phoenix team into the Halo team (and, later on, the Halo 2 team) so that they could meet the deadline imposed upon them by Microsoft. That's not exactly a forced cancellation, but it's just as good as one.

I know it's wishful thinking to some degree, but I really think Phoenix could be back. We'll just have to wait and see. I'm obviously just speculating.

  • 08.04.2011 2:25 PM PDT


Posted by: car15
They never said it, but they've talked about merging the Phoenix team into the Halo team (and, later on, the Halo 2 team) so that they could meet the deadline imposed upon them by Microsoft. That's not exactly a forced cancellation, but it's just as good as one.

I know it's wishful thinking to some degree, but I really think Phoenix could be back. We'll just have to wait and see. I'm obviously just speculating.


Doesn't matter if it's "just as good as one". Microsoft forced them to do nothing, they killed the project of their own accord, therefore making it less likely they would revive it.

  • 08.04.2011 2:31 PM PDT

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Phoenix is dead.

Long Live Phoenix.

  • 08.04.2011 2:32 PM PDT
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Posted by: Tempus Irae
Doesn't matter if it's "just as good as one". Microsoft forced them to do nothing, they killed the project of their own accord, therefore making it less likely they would revive it.

I disagree. It seems to me that they had no alternative.

  • 08.04.2011 2:33 PM PDT