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Subject: I really enjoyed the ViDoc, but the last part made me certain...

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...that it's a really good thing Bungie is no longer developing Halo games. Don't get me wrong, I love Bungie, I can't wait for their next game and on paper Reach is the ultimate Halo game. In practice, however, it is not.

I'm not going to delve into it since countless people have already beat the problems to death in the Reach and Optimatch forums, but these issues with several of the core elements of the game kept it from being the ultimate Halo game it was on paper. And... in the ViDoc, it seemed like Bungie completely ignored that. All they did was repeatedly praise Reach like it was a last sales pitch. No admission of failure, which seems odd considering the admission of failure with Halo 2 (which could hardly be called a failure).

It bothers me that Bungie is so blind to Reach's faults, so that's why I'm happy Bungie is no longer working on Halo. A fresh set of developers is exactly what Halo needed. Thank you, Bungie, for creating such an amazing universe that I have invested thousands of hours into, both in game and out and thank you for handing it off to a team of Halo fans.

  • 08.04.2011 9:56 PM PDT

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Posted by: ev1l tr1t0n
...that it's a really good thing Bungie is no longer developing Halo games. Don't get me wrong, I love Bungie, I can't wait for their next game and on paper Reach is the ultimate Halo game. In practice, however, it is not.

I'm not going to delve into it since countless people have already beat the problems to death in the Reach and Optimatch forums, but these issues with several of the core elements of the game kept it from being the ultimate Halo game it was on paper. And... in the ViDoc, it seemed like Bungie completely ignored that. All they did was repeatedly praise Reach like it was a last sales pitch. No admission of failure, which seems odd considering the admission of failure with Halo 2 (which could hardly be called a failure).

It bothers me that Bungie is so blind to Reach's faults, so that's why I'm happy Bungie is no longer working on Halo. A fresh set of developers is exactly what Halo needed. Thank you, Bungie, for creating such an amazing universe that I have invested thousands of hours into, both in game and out and thank you for handing it off to a team of Halo fans.
I agree with everything you have said. They must believe Reach is perfect. Or they are just too stubborn to admit otherwise.

  • 08.04.2011 9:58 PM PDT
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H2 > H3 > LoL Reach. Done with Reach 11/13/10

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  • 08.04.2011 9:58 PM PDT

It's like we're the same person. I felt like Bungie was trolling me during the Reach portion of the Vidoc. They have to be able to see the Xbox Live population is no where near the levels they were for previous games. While this isn't the best factor (Shadowrun is an awesome game) but clearly Reach didn't resonate as strongly with fans as previous Halo games. That's what frustrates me. Bungie acts like they hit Reach out of the part when in reality they stuck out.

  • 08.04.2011 10:03 PM PDT

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  • 08.04.2011 10:04 PM PDT
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  • 08.04.2011 10:05 PM PDT
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Ya really, I was like "U BEST BE TROLLIN!!".

  • 08.04.2011 10:06 PM PDT
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H2 > H3 > LoL Reach. Done with Reach 11/13/10

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  • 08.04.2011 10:06 PM PDT

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Posted by: CowPieSky32
It's like we're the same person. I felt like Bungie was trolling me during the Reach portion of the Vidoc. They have to be able to see the Xbox Live population is no where near the levels they were for previous games. While this isn't the best factor (Shadowrun is an awesome game) but clearly Reach didn't resonate as strongly with fans as previous Halo games. That's what frustrates me. Bungie acts like they hit Reach out of the part when in reality they stuck out.

Pretty much this. They've had to have known that the canon breaches, the gameplay changes, and armor abilities were bound to piss their most die hard fans off.

  • 08.04.2011 10:06 PM PDT

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Well they did say that they wanted to make a game they want to play.

  • 08.04.2011 10:07 PM PDT

Yea, it was pretty shocking what their reaction was toward Reach. Are they really listening to the community or was Reach actually intended to be a middle finger to the Halo fan base?

  • 08.04.2011 10:08 PM PDT

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I agree completely. Couldn't have said it any better myself.

  • 08.04.2011 10:12 PM PDT

I agree with what Bungie was saying about Reach...

But honestly if you're going to talk about population there wasn't much competition with 2 or 3. Halo 2 I can't think of any. Halo 3 only had to worry about CoD 4 and Gears of War. Reach has to deal with CoD still plus the fact that every single game has an online multiplayer now. If Bungie just made it Halo 3.5 then it most likely wouldn't have as many players as Reach does now. They needed to change or add something to keep the series from stagnating.

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  • 08.04.2011 10:16 PM PDT

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May i first applaud your calm, calculated, contextual criticism of Bungie's development of Reach.

Hear is the situation as i see it.

Halo 3 should have been the final Halo. MC's storyline was finished and locked in. One last offshoot with ODST, then cool.

But Reach really shouldnt exist. It doesnt fit. Bungie really wouldnt have made it in a perfect world. Just contractually obligated to make another triple A Halo title. So since they had too make it. They decided to make it new and itch those creative spots that have been begging to let loose. So it doesnt fit with the other Halo's because its the one that shouldnt be there.

Also Halo 4 has already ruined Halo for me just by the mere fact that it exists. Halo 3 finished it. I understand MS is a company that needs to make money, but its exploitation to stretch this franchise farther. There is just NO WHERE to go with Halo.

  • 08.04.2011 10:18 PM PDT
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I enjoyed the ViDoc, but I felt like I was getting trolled when they started talking about Reach.

I also cringed each time Luke Timmins came on the camera.

  • 08.04.2011 10:20 PM PDT

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Why I hate reach is, it was almost a great game.

Bungie had a winning formula but finaly just decided to throw in bloom, armor abilites and all this other crap.

The story raped cannon for no good reason as well, christ the characters were so shallow it was kind of pathetic... anyway it was an OK game and thats it. Oh well Halo 2 will still remain my favorite game of all time.

  • 08.04.2011 10:21 PM PDT
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If you think Reach is imperfect, that's your opinion.

However, to Bungie, Reach was their sendoff. It was perfect to them, and that's what really matters most. If they thought it was perfect, then it is.

One person is not going to convince them otherwise.

  • 08.04.2011 10:25 PM PDT
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What are you talking about? Reach is near perfection. I would have been very mad if they hadn't apologized about Halo 2.

  • 08.04.2011 10:26 PM PDT

Posted by: GlLLA
I enjoyed the ViDoc, but I felt like I was getting trolled when they started talking about Reach.

I also cringed each time Luke Timmins came on the camera.


How does Luke Timmins make you cringe? Still the coolest Bungie employee.

  • 08.04.2011 10:28 PM PDT

I disagree,i think that Halo Reach is a great game.sure it has some faults but what game doesnt?Bungie has done a great job with Halo games and i am sad that they arent making Halo 4,but who knows maybe 343 will do a good job,but i dont think that anyone can beat Bungie at making Halo games.

  • 08.04.2011 10:33 PM PDT

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I like the quote where they said we've learned from Halo Reach and Halo 3 ODST. It gives me hope that their future games won't end up like that. But I agree OP, it did seem a little too sales pitchy to me.

  • 08.04.2011 10:33 PM PDT

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Posted by: SeijicalStrike
If you think Reach is imperfect, that's your opinion.

However, to Bungie, Reach was their sendoff. It was perfect to them, and that's what really matters most. If they thought it was perfect, then it is.

One person is not going to convince them otherwise.


I'm not trying to convince Bungie of anything. I'm just expressing my opinion and thanking them for the Halo universe.

  • 08.04.2011 10:41 PM PDT


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I like the quote where they said we've learned from Halo Reach and Halo 3 ODST. It gives me hope that their future games won't end up like that. But I agree OP, it did seem a little too sales pitchy to me.

ODST easily has the best Halo campaign. -_- Why would you not want more of that?

  • 08.04.2011 10:41 PM PDT

Were it so easy.

I think to some extent it was right, I mean was Reach the best Halo game? No. Was it perfect? No.


But it IS kind of all that Halo wanted to be, all that it could be, could it have been done better in some area? Yes, but it was complete.


But I can't wait to see what is next and what else Bungie has up their sleeves.

  • 08.04.2011 10:42 PM PDT

Halo 2 was a million miles off the other games i think.

and reach IS the ultimate Halo.

  • 08.04.2011 10:48 PM PDT